Steve Roe

BTW, I didn’t register this complaint. Someone else did.

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No Ed, don’t get all melodramatic again. 2 brands of shells found at the Tippit Murder scene, same 2 brands of 0.38’s found on Oswald. I already know your answer, everyone in Dallas County framed Oswald. How many conspirators are you up to now Ed, with this pistol plant fantasy? Got to be at least 50. Did they hold a Pre-Assassination meeting at the Dallas Memorial Auditorium to discuss who was going to plant the gun, plant the holster, get Fritz to invent the North Beckley story, get the Johnsons to go along with Fritz and frame Oswald.... Seriously, is this some kind of joke?

The revolver was planted? Now it's getting more and more bizarre and a total disregard for the evidence.

No, you are doing just fine David. Please tell us more to set the record straight with ROKC and Oswald not living at Beckley. Uhh wait a minute, was it Harvey or Lee? Or was it Herbert Lee?

Yeah Ed, take a look at Nancy Lee.

Wait a minute here. Now we have ROKC teaming up with Armstrong “Harvey and Lee” advocate to prove Oswald never lived at Beckley. I thought you guys hated each other? Amazing, what a circus Ed LeDoux created here about Oswald and Beckley.

The last time I will ask this David Joseph, did Oswald live at Beckley or not? Don’t need a lecture about taxi rides and other off topic discussions. Yes or No??

David, now you are diverting Ed’s thread away from Beckley into an entirely different subject. I asked for folks who believed Ed’s 50 page theory that Oswald never lived at 1026 North Beckley. You, David, responded with a bizarre answer, yes you support Ed and ROKC but it makes no difference to you in your research. Sorry, that’s going off somewhere else. So let’s put it in very simple terms, “ Do you, David Joseph’s, believe Oswald never lived at 1026 North Beckley?” A simple yes or no would clear up your position.

Both Ball and Whaley got confused with a Neches and Neely. The 700 block of North Beckley was near the corner of Neely and North Beckley. Oswald requested 500 block of North Beckley, but got off earlier, closer to the Beckley Rooming House.

As you can see Ed LeDoux is NOW claiming the majority of the Ed Forum members agree with him that Oswald never set foot inside the Beckley Rooming House. Really? All those in support and 100% agreement of Ed LeDoux’s theory, please voice your support.

Thanks to Aunt Mary. And big credit to Rex Bradford.

That's fine Jeremy. ROKC keeps nagging me to go their site to debate their various theories. I really don't know what that will accomplish, they are sticking to their stories and I don't believe them. Nothing is going to change either way. Just more heartburn and wasted time.

Jeremy, somehow the topic has shifted off this Beckley theory and over to me debating Greg Parker in his forum. As you know, Parker was banned from this forum, for whatever reason. Here’s a friendly reminder to you and Mr. Parker trying to insert himself back into the Ed Forum via proxies. Ed Forum Rule: Voicing For Banned Members:- It is deemed to be a breach of the rules where a current member posts on behalf of a banned member. It is relatively easy to identify when such a breach may be taking place if requested by a member to post on their behalf. Safest to post for yourself and not on behalf of others. The penalty will be that the offending member will be placed on "Two Posts a Day" for a a period of time.

Yes Jeremy, that’s the ROKC clubhouse. You can see where they rehearse their Ed Forum posts with other people contributing. Also you can see my name and other names get bashed, mocked and trashed. This is how they operate.

Andre, now you see why I quit arguing with Ed and ROKC on this theory. They have no proof of anything but 50 pages of raw speculation that they try to pass off as proof, with giant leaps of supposition that we are supposed to believe. Example: "Will Fritz is your inventor." It's the old "Do you believe me or your lying eyes" syndrome. They got caught trying to promote Hosty's notes as the truth, and now are backing away from it, and/or twisting it into some half-baked explanation. No reasonable person will believe this theory.

Hank Albarelli died a few months back, that "may" explain it.

Steve, Oswald was trained by Dennis Ofstein to perform Photo Enlargements at JCS. The company also made commercial type posters. That’s in Ofstein’s WC testimony.

Ed, it's very apparent you and ROKC believe the Dallas Police Department intentionally planted or moved evidence around to frame Oswald. Your argument now includes the DPD planting same to make it appear that Oswald lived at 1026 North Beckley. For what reason would they do that? Makes zero sense. Having being called names, insulted and trashed by Mr. Parker in the past, why would I want to join your clubhouse and get more of the same? You guys have no rules on civil discourse, at least here on this forum, there are rules to govern that. That's why I joined and to address my name getting mocked here by you and Bart. So, let's sum it up here. Of course I am not naïve enough to think I can change you and Bart's mind on this "Oswald never lived at Beckley" theory. It boils down to who has the most reasonable argument so other Ed. Forum members can consider both sides. Every piece of evidence that I presented was rejected by you and ROKC. In the end, we will just have to disagree. If you want to claim victory, go right ahead. But it's very obvious here on this thread, no one is buying this theory at all. I'll give you the last word.

John, here are the letters you requested found in Oswald's Possessions.

Quote from Tracey Parnell’s recent post on Dr. John Newman’s bizarre theory of Veciana. In conclusion, John Newman believes that Veciana was ordered to run a “misdirection campaign” to both control the congressional investigations and take heat off the Pentagon-based murderers of JFK and place it on Langley. The most logical way for Veciana to accomplish this feat was to gain the ear of the credulous Gaeton Fonzi, who was very amenable to the idea of CIA complicity in the death of JFK. But while Veciana indeed told Fonzi about his mysterious mentor “Maurice Bishop,” he inexplicably refused to characterize Bishop as CIA in every relevant discussion of him between 1976 to 1979 when the “misdirection campaign” was supposedly at its peak. It wasn’t until years later that Veciana began to hint at CIA involvement and finally took that to the next stage in 2013 with his “identification” of Phillips Tracey for lack of a better analogy, Dr. Newman is taking a Bicycle and trying to build the Space Shuttle with it. All this “Oswald was being directed to get it in the record” nonsense by Dr. Newman Is pure speculation on his part.

Thanks Denis for the Sharon Thuoy HSCA interview. She was very coherent and straight forward. The stretcher bullet was interesting and confirms Daryl Tomlinson.

Ah yes, he has. He just needs to step into the real world where real people were and are constantly framed in real ways. So many things once held as established facts have been demolished. Oswald living at the North Beckley house. Lunchroom Encounter Cab and Bus rides Odio encounter. A Common element runs through them. Pestering YOU?? LOL. Roe is funny. You are the one who joined the forum in order to teach those ROKC varmints a lesson, dagnabit!.... by... LOL NOT answering 99% of the evidence presented, cherry-picking the other 1% and generally throwing mud and misdirection. Let's see what a former cop says about it... -----------------------------R. Justin Freeman, Former Patrol OfficerAnswered Sep 8, 2011 · Upvoted by Justin Liu, Attorney and George Kellerman, Former corporate counsel at Yahoo, attorney at Venture Law Group Originally Answered: What can fingerprints be lifted and not lifted from?Print lifting capability isn't binary regarding various surface types - there is somewhat of a spectrum of suitability for lifting fingerprints. Knowing my answers tend to wax prosaic, here's the TLDR as a public service: Easy: Glass, glossy tile, porcelain, lacquered furniture, smooth metal. Involved: Paper, painted surfaces, drywall, cardboard, leather, most dashboards. Difficult: Organic surfaces (tree leaves, fruit peels, feathers). Formidable: Fabrics, human skin, and rough or textured surfaces (checkered handgun grips come to mind). Virtually Impossible: Oily, rusty, or extremely dirty surfaces; high traffic surfaces with multiple overlapping prints; prints smeared by movement. ---------------------------- So "leather" is no more difficult than paper... and we know the FBI fingerprinted lots of paper and cardboard. But you said "rough" leather. So that "may" shift it from "involved" to "formidable". Cant be more formidable than feathers I guess....and Roe distorts how a snap works to claim its not possible to get a print from them. Psst...Steve you dust the snaps smooth "cap"not the snaps post.... Yes the overwhelmed FBI just wouldn't bother with a formidable task. After all, this was just the biggest case they'd had. DPD likewise was too busy dusting boxes Oswald would naturally have touched. But I wonder on what basis you claim the leather was "rough"? This is the holster. Even enlarged and fuzzy it doesn't look "rough"... because its smooth leather.----------------------- I just need to know now Stephen, how Lee made it invisible to the ladies of the house and all the other nosy people who might want to wander into that "unlocked"* room. (Im just calling it unlocked because no key was found on Oswald for that room, which did lock and the landlady had spare keys with which she let the cops into "the tiny room") Roe cant actually back up his life long belief that Oswald lived in XYZ apt. because that's exactly where the cops wanted him, andvthe Warren Commission said so.... even though a cursory read of the reports and investigations discount wholly the idea it was Oswald. It was Herbert Leon Lee or Floyd de Graffenreid There is only one goal. The clue to that is in the title of Reopenkennedycase. Would that be the long-time researchers who believe in Two Oswalds and Two Marguerites? The long-time researchers who believe he was killed to keep the UFO secret from leaking out? Or maybe the long time researchers who don't actually do any research because they believe the Warren Commission? Those researchers? Do I look worried? I'd be worried if any of those folk did buy into it judging from the daily seeping from its nodes. As proven by you with your non-sequiturs, cherry picking and one-liners? Sure, if that was the best he come up with. I think not Steve. I think you are verbalizing your mental magic-thinking. I did cover it. Your answer is posted. Oh and please and obtain a direct quote about what I said about it being "fakery" Those BYPs are undeniable fakery... thanks to the Powerline Shadow Study done by ROKC among many accomplishments. A scientific paper establishing this is underway. Now you have an even bigger problem Steve Roe! How does that holster found at Beckley reconcile worn by Lee in the BYP'S Where's the belt that was threaded through that holster at Beckley so it could hang on the door knob? The one Alexander saw? The one that's not in the inventory for Beckley... So Roe, No fingerprints from a smooth metal snap buttons of the holster... or leather as it was just too hard to even try. Roe calls smooth leather rough. He needs to stretch his own credibility thin here. And if Roe is saying the cops knew this to be 100% true then why no other means of documenting this evidence and tie it to Oswald. Photos of it in the room, etc... No belt to hang the holster is included. The Warren Commission denounced their own evidence, the slip of paper, as fake. Roe just cant accept the proof shown him. Roe has no answer for why Oswald had numbers and did not call even when it was necessary. Instead we are told by Ruth a story about the numbers and her calling and of course there was no Lee Oswald there, we are told. Roe has no key to a room for which he claims Oswald rented but can not show a single receipt or any physical evidence Oswald was the roomer or even a roomer. My evidence trumps your flimsy phone numbers. Direct witness statements contradict the idea the persons thought to be Oswald. Those persons were in fact other roomers. Phone calls investigated by the FBI support this fact. There were no roomer witnesses of Oswald. Proven. The management has been caught in various conflicting statements. Their credibility is now shot. The new management has too blown their own credibility based on their own statements. So Steve has a mile to go and is mad he didnt check the map. You are here [1964] June 8th and Ruth's calendar canards. Roe falls for everything but whats rubbed in his nose. Roe asks why everything is not in the essay, first because that doesnt prove anything. Second as stated there is a limit to how long I was wiling to beat a dead horse once I shot it 3 blocks from Beckley getting out of a cab.... Why is FR 5 5591 in the book? What relatives did the numbers owner have, Cody's... crikeys!! So a bus driver on the Shreveport run and Roe wants to know about numbers in a book? What answer did he give for why his number is in the book twice? What does refute Roe is the 50 pages of evidence, including another 9 of photos, documents, and I tell the listener its not for me to find everything. Guess Roe has a listening deficit... check the tape. So Roe has two trival concerns that were "addressed", no pun intended. Roe refutes it all by a page in a book? No no Roe. That is not sufficient for even a weak analysis to conclude as you have. He has almost reached circumstantial level. Hint for Roe, better find something solid soon as your audience is turning on you. We are close to seeing how silly Roe is willing to look for the sake of trying to find a "gotcha" - which he idiotically hopes readers will buy as some implosion of 50 pages of evidence. Damage control over what? You are trying to spin that entry in Oswald's book and any opinion that it was not in Oswald's handwriting as some monumental turning point in this debate. You are delusional, desperate, or both. Firstly, let me address your claim that Greg became an "instant" expert in handwriting analysis -- a call you made without knowing if it had any validity or not. Because that is how you roll. Greg Parker worked for the Department of Social Security. One of the positions he held in that department was the investigation of things like maladministration and fraud by members of the public or staff. As part of the training for that job, he did learn basics on what to look for in fraudulent signatures. He is not an "expert", but HE does have experience. What's your excuse? The thing about experts is that, like me, the best they can do is offer an OPINION. For every qualified expert that you can find to say the writing is Oswald's, I'll find one that says it isn't. Happens every day in court. Even the WC and HSCA experts sometimes offered differing opinions on the same writing samples. The counselors were warned to get the guest register and that the slip is inadequate. So where in all of that, is your "gotcha"? There isn't one. Your bluff and bluster is merely trying to make people believe that the pimple is really Mt Everest. Sorry even your pimple has popped Steve, but you probably hear that a lot. Let's assume my opinion is wrong and it is Oswald's writing. Does it prove he lived there? Not at all. Dallas Rooming HouseMrs BledsoeWH 219857 / WH 38993 --------------------- You would hardly call Bledsoe's home a "rooming house". It was a normal 4 bedroom house and she occasionally rented spare rooms out - mainly to friends of her son judging from FBI reports... and her son Poter was there thus only two bedrooms could be rented... and no one else seemed to be there while Oswald stayed a week. Did she even advertise? Apart from the sign she says she had in her window, I mean? Did she give out her number, or was it in the phone book. Pray tell dont google it and ROKC or Ed Ledoux as you wont like what you'll find. In any case, of the two places, only the N Beckley building could rightly be described as a "rooming house". As I believe I've pointed out already, the lack of a name to go with the second phone number does not bode well for Steve Roe. Why write Bledsoe's name down and not Johnson's? Especially when there are three people to remember, Earlene Roberts, Gladys Johnson and Mr AC Johnson. No names in six weeks... Or Merely a number like FR 5-5591, right Steve? The simple explanation is that he never had a name. He got the number from a directory as listed under "rooming houses", or was given the number by someone, like Ruth, but did not take a room there... 8 bucks for that closet? Yep frugal money saving Oswald is blowing the Warren Commission budget they mocked up for him. Eating out and an extra dollar a week for a more comfortable room doesn't sound frugal or conservative As for Pat Hall... I have called out her errors directly to her on the Lone Gunman podcast. She is quite aware of me and my requests, Its her game to play as she sees fit. I though am not under any obligation to support the fable any longer. Besides. What's your point? If she remembers a Mr Lee it is because there was a Mr Lee. She refuses to acknowledge Herbert and continues to claim that Mr Lee was Oswald because it is in her financial interests to do so. So far your rebuttals have been... -the weakest "gotcha" in history -calling a smooth leather holster a rough leather holster -claiming the FBI would not have bothered attempting to fingerprint said holster because it was "too difficult" -name-calling (which can be fun, but should never be attempted by a rank amateur, especially if that is all he has in his debating bag) -a lot of hot air, bluster and misdirection -------------- I have to assume that the bulk of the points made are ones you cannot answer. And not even with a patented "non-answer" that you supplied for everything else. How about you try to least address this, since it is YOUR evidence Notice that it lists "living room and television" privileges... but not kitchen and refrigerator privileges? No Board, no food, no refrigerator mentioned. It would have to have been a massive industrial sized fridge to accommodate food for 12 or more guests on top of owners and staff. But note that "cafes" are listed. Why would that be Steve? A gentle way of saying that's where you have to eat? A fact confirmed by Hugh Slough. Yet of all the guests, the only one who refused to speak to anyone and spoke on the phone in a European language, for reasons never explained, the ONLY one given fridge privileges? Odd or a story so far off it goes over Roe's head like a home run. Must be true. None of those cafe employees recalled Oswald. Suck it up buttercup. You have nothing. So Roe did we get your answer yet as to why Oswald did not call ahead... Especially given he had the numbers according to Roe and yet no call to Beckley 3 weeks prior to Oct 14th, then again no call to Beckley on Oct 14th either. Roe wants us to believe simply having numbers equates to residency. Psst... Receipts do that. Guest books do that. Unaltered sign in sheets do that. Witnesses, and other corroborating evidence does that. Writing down a phone number and never calling it, no name to go with it... useless even as circumstantial evidence. Roe is inept or just champions a concerted campaign of ignorance of real world events. Keys to locked rooms... Receipts for rent paid... Witnesses. Oswald sure could have saved himself a trip all the way to Beckley to find out what he could have called about.... twice. I dont think so Roe. That's a no go. Cheers, Ed So Greg Parker is doing your script writing now, Ed? Why don't you credit him for writing this? So if I'm now arguing with Greg Parker, just state it. Don't try to deceive everyone that this is your personal written reply. As you can see, Greg Parker is admitting that he has seen the notebook and this exchange was already discussed months ago, despite your denial that it never happen. It's Ok to make a mistake Ed, we're all human. It takes a bigger person to admit a mistake. Will you? The choice is yours. You asked for evidence that Oswald lived there, I gave it to you and Bart. Now take this back to Greg Parker at the ROKC clubhouse and hash out an answer. You are now dodging the fact that Oswald's personal papers, letters, passport and even a birth certificate were found at 1026 North Beckley. That sinks your whole argument right there.

Folks this has been an heated exchange between myself and ROKC members Bart Kamp and Ed LeDoux. We have fundamental differences. So in all fairness, I ask the following, who (other than ROKC members) believe yes, Ed LeDoux has made a substantial or rock solid case that Oswald never lived at 1026 North Beckley. There will be no comment from me on your belief. Rather just a show of hands supporting this theory. Thanks.

Great! and here's some evidence for you to take back to the ROKC Clubhouse, that all you guys ignored. Go ahead, tell us it's fake.