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On 9/14/2020 at 8:56 PM, Chris Barnard said:
Attempted phone tap trying to see what RFK / family were saying/doing about Dallas?
Yeah, who knows? Not sure how you tap a phone through a mains fuse box but maybe it is possible in U.S.
Nurse Dallas was privy to family discussions of various topics in Palm Beach and Hyannis, but she writes nothing that relates to any family revelations concerning JFK's assassination.
I think RFK was too wide to reveal assassination theories over the phone, and if the family ever discussed the topic it was in private.
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On 9/14/2020 at 4:14 PM, David Andrews said:
Can you remind us about that Knoxville man?
David, apologies for the delay in replying....been away on a holiday.
Knoxville. It was 17th May '63 to be exact, a potential assassination attempt caused JFK to cancel a pre-arranged trip to Knoxville, Tennessee. Instead, JFK made an impromptu visit on the 18th of May to Nashville, where he rode in a motorcade to Vanderbilt University to deliver a speech.
After that he visited Gov. Frank Clement at the governors mansion. Details are sketchy, but somewhere between the mansion and the helicopter landing site at Overton High School, a man approached Kennedy with a hand gun hidden under a sack. It's not known if JFK was in his limousine at the time.
The Governor witnessed the incident and the capture of the perp by the Secret Service. Again, nothing more is known of this man. The Secret Service requested that the Governor keep the incident out of the press for fear it would lead to more assassination attempts!
(Vince P. also knows nothing more of this incident or of the man involved. I believe the story comes from Gov. Clements son.)
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10 minutes ago, Richard Booth said:
I am skeptical of this because they took so damn long to come forward, over 20 years.
It reminds me a lot of the bogus story given by Gordon Arnold.
I believe that the conspirators, if they were making phony pictures, would have developed them themselves and not taken them to a non-secure commercial developer like the Hesters.
Yeah Richard another weird account, in a case of so many weird ones! They were supposedly developing assassination photos for DPD & FBI. At that time on the 22nd a BYP with no figure wouldn't be so profound. But I agree, I take a lot of these with more than a pinch of salt.
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What to make of Jim Marrs' report from Robert & Patricia Hester who processed a BYP with no figure in the picture......& this was on the 22nd, before they were found in the Paine garage!
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13 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:
Shouldn't that mean a new aim adjustment every half second?
Not if the limo has come to a more or less halt.
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My current read is 'The Kennedy Case' by Rita Dallas. (Unfortunate surname.) Published 1973. She was a private nurse to Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. after his stroke in 1961 until his death in 1969.
She relates an incident that occurred just weeks after JFK's assassination when she confronted an intruder at Palm Beach entering the property posing as a tv repairman. Nurse Dallas sussed the guy immediately, managed to summon guards who arrested the intruder, who was found tampering with the house fuse box. RFK was notified and he got the Palm Beach Secret Service to the property who took the man away. Later, "I asked one of the high-ranking guards about the intruder. I received a brief answer. He has connections in Dallas."
"Later that same week I asked one of the local guards if he knew what had happened to the intruder. The incident had not been reported by the press, nor had any correspondents tried to contact the staff. He answered me in a strange way. I don't know Mrs. Dallas. One day they've got him in jail. The next day he's gone, just like that. Nobody's talking. That was the last I heard about the man. Someone had clamped on a lid and no one would ever be able to pry it off."
I've heard of plots and possible assassination attempts against JFK in '63, like the mystery man in Knoxville etc. Anyone know anything about this mystery man?
Maybe one for Vince Palamara.
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1 hour ago, Richard Booth said:
In the case of the Soviets I don't know the answer. What I can tell happened is that somehow, Khrushchev fell out of favor and he was forced out of office by 1968.
1964. Swift & deadly like Dallas, but no bloodshed.
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On 8/30/2020 at 1:13 AM, James DiEugenio said:
Thanks for that Pete.
Davison was Von Pein's favorite author on the JFK case, before Bugliosi. As anyone can with my review of her book, there were simply too many errors and misrepresentations in her book. I mean to talk about the Clinton/Jackson incident and a.) To not go there, and b.) Not to read the reports that were available at the AARC or c.) Not to call anyone up or talk to the investigators, that is just inexcusable. And to rely on Ruby's polygraph to discredit Mark Lane? When the HSCA. four years previous, had discredited it
I recently caught up with Wills & Demaris' 'Jack Ruby' (p182-205) which covers the full day of Ruby's polygraph palaver. About 9 sessions & added to that the Ruby rants with his legal rep about allowing Bill Alexander in the room along with Ruby's skirmishes with Joe Tonahill....all ably assisted by Arlen Specter.
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On 8/29/2020 at 6:43 PM, Pamela Brown said:
I have uncovered evidence of Bob Dylan's wrestling with the JFK assassination in its aftermath, as well as having concerns related to Jack Ruby and Lee Oswald (as presented in an art exhibit) and have updated Deconstructing MMF to add definition:
In your article you state:-
On 8/29/2020 at 6:43 PM, Pamela Brown said:Papa Joe Kennedy was Ambassador to the Court of St. James for FDR, who ended up having to fire him because, as a fervent Hitler appeaser, he advised that the US could not win a war against Hitler.
Shouldn't that be U.K.
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Have yet to read Part 2....but all guns blazin' at Davison's book. (Thankfully not in my collection.)
Recently inherited Mark Fuhrman's 'A Simple Act of Murder' from Ian Griggs' collection which could get similar treatment to 'Oswald's Game'.
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On 7/31/2020 at 3:56 AM, Micah Mileto said:
Not only that, but Jenkins also told Livingstone that the spinal cord was removed during the autopsy.
Jenkin's claim was denied by Dr. Boswell, as well as Dr. Robert Karnei, another autopsy witness. Dr. Humes refused to comment. As summarized in Livingstone's 1992 book High Treason 2:
[Chapter 6. The Autopsy: Some Conflicts in the Evidence]
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Spinal Cord
Jenkins describes removing the spinal cord with a Stryker saw, but Dr. Karnei does not remember it having been removed. When I tried to ask Dr. Humes if it had been removed, he hung up on me.15 Dr. Boswell told me that the cord was not removed.16
The question of removal and examination of the spinal cord is important because this would tell us if the tuberculosis Kennedy had been exposed to as a child had been reactivated by the steroids he was being given, and only examination of the tissues of the spinal cord would tell this.
Normally during an autopsy the spinal cord is removed and its condition is reported.
Livingstone interviewed Dr. Karnei on 8/27/1991, Dr. Humes on 9/5/1991, and Dr. Boswell 8/7/1991.
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[Chapter 7. Dr. Robert Frederick Karnei]
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"Nobody got a look at the spine area?"
"Not that I remember. I don't remember anybody going into the spinal area to take a look there."
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"In the end, don't you think they performed a complete and good autopsy?"
"I think it was as complete as they were allowed to do. I mean, normally they would have gone into the spinal column and taken the spinal cord and all that sort of thing. And they were not allowed to do that. And there was no way they could have looked at the spinal column there to see if there was any disease in the spinal column."
"They didn't remove the spinal column?"
"No. No. Not that I can remember. I am almost sure they did not touch the spinal column. [...]
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"So the spinal cord was not removed, so there was no opportunity to take tissue samples from it or study whether or not he might have actually had TB of the spine?"
"No, I don't remember the spinal column ever being touched."
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[Chapter 11. James Curtis Jenkins]
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Later the spinal cord was removed-a Stryker saw cut both sides of the vertebral column. Jenkins saw Dr. Boswell remove the spinal cord.12
Both Dr. Boswell,13 and Dr. Robert Karnei, who was present in the autopsy room, deny that the spinal cord was removed. Once again it sounds as though we are talking about two different autopsies.
Part of the problem of trying to solve a case with so much conflicting evidence is the way people's minds play tricks on them. A lot of the witnesses did not see certain things because they were momentarily out of the room or otherwise occupied, so they will compensate by making certain assumptions in their mind which then become fact. If they think that Robert Kennedy was limiting the autopsy and they did not see the spinal cord removed, for instance, then they may state that the spinal cord was not removed because Robert did not want it done.
It is very common under stress for people's minds to imagine that they saw something they did not or to block out the memory of certain events. Jackie K as climbing on the trunk or Nelly Connally going up a flight of stairs.
I am not suggesting that that is what happened here, and that the spinal cord was in fact removed. I don't know at this point. The cord is not properly mentioned in the autopsy report, wheras normally it would be.
From Livingstone's 1993 book Killing The Truth: Deceit and Deception in the JFK Case:
[Appendix J, Encyclopedia of Medical Events And Witness Testimony by Harrison E. Livingstone and Katlee Link Fitzgerald]
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SPINAL CORD
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Doctor Robert Karnei: The spinal cord was not removed. He was quite strong about this. (Aug. 27, 1991)
Jim Jenkins: said that later the spinal cord was removed separately-use of Stryker saw but both sides of the vertical column. Jenkins saw Dr. Boswell remove the spinal cord (a: June 6, 1991) Jenkins thinks the brain stem was severed before it arrived at the autopsy because when they removed it from the head, the spinal cord did not come with it. He also said during the same interview that he did not recall removing the spinal cord and that he would have removed it (a: May 29, 1991)
However, approximately 90% of the time the spinal cord will separate from the brain when the brain is removed.
For what it's worth. (Don't shoot the messenger.) James Jenkins' presentation @ JFK Lancer NID 2013.
"The damn thing fell out in my hand! That statement was made by Dr, Humes o.k. Remember that Humes and Fink were actually the people who were working with the head, the head wounds. That was the statement and as I said before it was a statement that kinda surprised me but as they took the brain out he handed it to Dr. Boswell who was across the table from me. Since I had been assisting with Dr. Boswell, I was the only corpsman at that point in time that was working with Dr. Boswell. I followed Dr. Boswell to the bucket of formalin where we infused the brain. My first impression was the damage to the brain does not corrolate with the extensive damage to the skull. What I mean with that was the right interior portion of the brain was damaged and there was some tissue missing. The brain, due to the trauma apparently was in that area kinda gelatinous and that pretty much stands to reason because when you traumatise the brain it's not like traumatising a muscle or something like that where you get bruising and so forth. The brain actually has a large amount of fluid in so it kinda becomes mushy and gelatinous. That was what I saw.
The other thing, I didn't think that the brain was large enough. I had the impression that it was smaller than what it should be coming out of the cavity that it came out of. Now these were just impressions on my part. That was a first sight, first impression type thing. Dr. Boswell carried the brain to our bucket where we infused the brain. How we did it is important, because our normal method was we had a stainless steel bucket, fill the bucket approx half full of formalin. We had created a gauze sling that went over the top of the bucket, we laid the brain upside down in that sling. We had two needle apparatus that came from a supply of formalin that was up on the top of the cabinets and what we did with it was we took those needles and we infused the brains through the two internal carotids at the base of the brain. Those carotids were retracted and it was extremely difficult, and as a matter of fact we had one of the residents come in, which was the chief resident, because Dr. Boswell and Dr. Humes did not do this menial type thing of placing these suture needles in and so forth. So what we did was we infused the brain, and it was extremely difficult because of the condition of the carotids. In my experience when vessels are severed for a period of time they retract, especially arteries because of the way they're constructed, and over a period of time it's almost like they begin to close off themselves.
The other thing I noticed was the brain stem, where the brain stem was cut to remove it from the cranium. The brain stem looked like it had been cut from two different sides, from each side met in the middle. I can relate that because if you've ever tried to cut something from the right side and go back and cut it from the left side it never, almost invariably never is the same level and this is what the brain stem looked like. You know, I've been asked many times about this and did I think that the brain had been removed prior to autopsy? Taking into consideration the abnormal things that I just described...........I feel like it was!
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11 hours ago, Karl Hilliard said:
If it hasn't been mentioned...understand that those notes were scribbled down hours if not days after that interview.
Source on that [I believe] was James Hosty.
Hi Karl, Yes, I believe that is correct regarding Fritz's notes....not sure of Bookhout, but Hosty's notes were contemporary.
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Interesting these Notes can be read that Oswald claimed he had a coke on the 2nd floor when Baker confronted him.
Or reading another way Oswald stated that he got a coke earlier on the 2nd floor, then states that he met Officer as he came into 1st floor.
Had lunch with Bill Shelley in front of TSBD.
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1 hour ago, Tommy Tomlinson said:
Cheers Pete,
I also wonder if Oswald ever came up as a suspect for the Walker assassination attempt? All the documents I can find on Walker say that it remained "unsolved" (until the WC swept in and kindly cleared it up as it was seemingly busy solving everything else that had little to no conclusive proof) but I imagine it did not go "un-investigated".I'll have to check out that book,
There were no suspects for the Walker shooting until Marina's testimony to WC + photographs of Walker's house on Oswald's supposed camera & the note that supposedly fell out of a book at the Paine house.
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The grandson of late American president John F Kennedy has left voters reeling with his lookalike good looks.
Jack Schlossberg, who is JFK's only grandson, found himself in a social media frenzy after he and his mother, Caroline Kennedy, backed Joe Biden for the American presidency on Tuesday.
After laying eyes on Jack at the 2020 Democratic National Convention, fans immediately became bewitched by the 27-year-old's incredibly attractive demeanour.
Taking to Twitter to gush over the tall, dark and handsome politician, spectators were quick to point out the striking likeness between Jack and his late uncle, John F Kennedy Jr, as well as his grandfather JFK.
The grandson of late American president John F Kennedy has 'broken the internet' with his good looks (Image: DNCC via Getty Images)
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32 minutes ago, Tommy Tomlinson said:
If he was on "Oswald Watch" did he have any contacts or friends in the DPD?
Was he in an official liaison with DPD?
Or, maybe, was there any inter agency tension? Sort of "Get off our patch!" stuff?Anything on this would be greatly appreciated.
Tommy, from Hosty's 'Assignment Oswald' :- "Since I was in the intelligence unit of the Bureau, Revill and I frequently worked together."
Regarding the get off our patch stuff :- "Still climbing the stairs, Revill snorted, "Well, if you know that Oswald killed Kennedy, why the hell didn't you tell us? Why didn't you tell us Oswald was in town and was a known Communist?" "Jack I couldn't tell you. You know Bureau policy, the need-to-know rule," I said. I was referring to the Bureau's long-standing policy on espionage cases, that only those who "need to know" particular information are told. For better or worse, the Bureau did not consider local police part of the need-to-know group.
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40 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
Pete,
You asked an interesting question.
Steve Thomas
OK Callaway & Guinyard got to see the jacket, but I don't recall Oswald being shown & asked about it in the scrappy notes of the interrogations written by Fritz, Bookhout or Hosty.
Surely someone must have!
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Enjoying Tommy's thread here. I too have questions that the experts could clear for me, in relation to the zipper jacket.
Beckley housekeeper Roberts stated that Oswald left the rooming house with jacket. If I recall correctly she did not i.d. the same colour jacket to the Warren Commission.
If the Tippit killer was seen by witnesses down Patton stuffing said gun in jacket pocket, was any forensics done? Was this possible in '63? & did DPD present this jacket during any interrogation?
Also, am I correct in thinking it was dear Marina who testified to Lee owning that item?
On the 50th anniversary of the assassination they had a press photography exhibition on JFK along the Mall in D.C. & in a display case was the purported light grey Eisenhower jacket.
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18 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
On November 4, 1963, the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) sent a cable to the Embassy in Moscow requesting to learn more about Oswald?
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On 8/16/2020 at 9:38 PM, Cliff Varnell said:
Tosh said it was a routine operation, the “abort team” was often deployed as back up security. They weren’t working on hard intelligence, and what information they got on the ground was faulty,
I think I read somewhere that Tosh stated that he smelled gunpowder when he was on the south knoll.
On 8/16/2020 at 5:58 PM, Chris Barnard said:
The more I think about things, those 50+ witnesses who believed that shots came from the fence, someone must have thought that the public could dash for the fence etc and that its mighty close to the actual limo and members of the public. So is that just arrogance knowing you have the security apparatus on board and that the only outcome can be getting away with it.in summary, the hypothesis that both shots (neck & head) could have come from the one shooter on the south knoll seems plausible and logical. But, the mechanics of the rest of it are very unclear to me. Perhaps some of you guys who have been looking at this for decades have a better idea?
A bullet through the windshield to JFK's neck + the head shot causing the occipital blow out from the south knoll still doesn't rule out a simultaneous frangible shot from the north knoll, causing the tiny particles seen by Humes, Boswell & Fink + Kellerman on the head x-rays at Bethesda. The witness testimonies of Zapruder, Newman & Arnold seem convincing of one shot from behind the picket fence area.
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Long believed in the windshield hole & throat shot coming from the south knoll. That also provides for me the strongest evidence of S.S. complicity.
It has always struck me as weird the number of missed shots which has never fitted in to the scenario of such a military style ambush.
Very logical video Chris, thanks.
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On 8/13/2020 at 7:22 PM, Micah Mileto said:
I think cd-roms of the 1993 and 2003 presentations are on sale at a steep price.
Yes, but I think you can request & make up your own sections cheaper than the full conference.
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On 8/7/2020 at 2:26 AM, Micah Mileto said:
I'm trying to make a megapost with Dennis David as a star witness. Does anybody have files of the following interviews:
Dennis David's hypnosis tape
1998 appearance at JFK Lancer conference, Dallas, TX http://www.jfklancer.com/Dallas98.html http://www.jfklancer.com/catalog/nidmedia/dvd1998.html
2003 Presentation at JFK Lancer conference http://jfklancer.com/dallas03/speakers.html
2003 appearance on black op radio Show #121 http://www.blackopradio.com/inc_archives2003.html
Micah, I met with Dennis David at the Lancer conference in 2003. I do recall he was quite emotional. At the time I hadn't read 'Best Evidence'. I sat with David by the hotel swimming pool as he was interviewed on camera with a sound recording guy, going through the same recollections.
If nobody has files on the interviews the 1998 & 2003 presentations at Lancer can be put together on request on Lancer's website.
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On 8/12/2020 at 7:49 AM, Steve Thomas said:
One of those articles on Larry's blog is in his Archives for December, 2018 here:
https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/2018/12/
Steve Thomas
Larry's blog on Jean Rene Soutre seems to demolish any French Connection assassin. Steve, are you in agreement with that? The Christian David interviews pointing to Sarti seemed pretty interesting to me.
Fallen warriors: researchers who have moved on or passed away
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by Pete Mellor
On this side of the pond Dealey Plaza U.K. lost researchers Ian Griggs & Mathew Smith in 2019.