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Pete Mellor
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23 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
Wonder if Dylan's new JFK song would have generated even more interest if this pandemic hadn't come forth?
Could be argued both ways Joe. I think the interest & internet hits are a result of these releases being new stuff....rather than particular interest in JFK issues.
Interesting to read a scrap of paper that Bob wrote lyrics for 'Most Likely You Go Your Way & I'll Go Mine' back in '66 was sold yesterday at Sotherby's in London for £37.5k, more than double the pre-sale estimate!
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On 5/12/2020 at 11:18 AM, Jim Hargrove said:
Thanks, Pete, but do you trust Johnny Brewer? I don’t necessarily believe a word he said.
Why didn’t he mention this significant event to the Warren Commission?
Ha! Good question. Can't say Brewer's testimonies are at the forefront of my memory bank. But the Tippit case is such a blatant exercise of laying a trail, wallet (billfold) jacket, bullet shells etc., all the way to the theatre. It stinks to me of Brewer being set up, being led by the nose. However he also said the balcony was deserted when he checked, which doesn't add up.
Anyway, I'm off topic with this thread.
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28 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:
On August 9, 1963 “Lee Harvey Oswald” was arrested for an apparently violent confrontation involving his pro-Castro leafleting activities in New Orleans.
Just two months after these so-called commie activities, the FBI took Oswald off the watch list, managed by its “WANTED NOTICE” cards, at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health.
The WC didn’t even bother to depose the Division 5 guy (Gheesling) who apparently ordered the FBI's flash cancellation. “Lee Harvey Oswald” had been on that list for nearly four years, since the so-called “defection.” Now that he was taken off it, he’d no longer be under FBI and SS surveillance on 11/22.
At the very same time the FBI was taking “Lee Harvey Oswald” off the watch list, the CIA was publishing several confusing things about him. Responding to a query from the Mexico City station, four CIA officers signed a cable giving lots of accurate biographical data on our boy but calling him “Lee Henry Oswald.” The three page cable expressed no security concerns whatsoever about Oswald and, in fact, indicated the Moscow embassy felt “life in Soviet Union had clearly had maturing effect on Oswald.” Nothing to worry about here! The Agency was giving him a clean bill of political health.
This cable was signed by Jane Roman (Angleton’s assistant), William Hood (also close to Angleton), Thomas Karamessines (assistant to Helms) and John Whitten who, according to Jefferson Morley, was the only CIA officer of the four signers who suffered any adverse consequences for this troubling cable.
Also in October 1963, two different young men, both claiming to be “Lee Harvey Oswald,” appeared before Texas Employment Commission employee Laura Kittrell, the first on October 3 and again a few days later, the second on October 22. Ms Kittell told the HSCA’s Gaeton Fonzi that the second Oswald “looked the same,” and had “the same general outline and coloring and build, but there was something so different in his bearing.”
This appears to have been a final test by the plotters to see if one “Oswald” could pass for the other in front of an experienced interviewer. Why? Because just four days after the second Oswald talked with Ms. Kittrell, a second Oswald began making provocative appearances at the Sports Drome Rifle Range and elsewhere in and around Dallas. Here are some of them:
“Oswald” visits the Sports Drome Rifle Range on Oct. 26, Nov. 9, Nov. 10, and again on Nov. 17, several times creating a scene and once shooting at another guy's target;
On Nov. 2 “Oswald” visits Morgan's Gun Shop in Fort Worth.
Also on Nov. 2 “Oswald” visits the Downtown Lincoln Mercury dealership where he test drives a car at wrecklessly high speeds saying he would soon come into enough money to buy a new car.
On Nov. 6 or 7 “Oswald” visits the Irving Furniture Mart for a gun part and is referred to the shop where Dial Ryder works.
On Nov. 15, “Oswald” goes to the Southland Hotel parking garage (Allright Parking Systems) and applies for a job and asks how high the Southland Building is and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.
On Nov. 20 “Oswald” hitch-hikes on the R.L. Thornton Expressway while carrying a 4 foot long package wrapped in brown paper and introduces himself to Ralph Yates as “Lee Harvey Oswald,” discusses the President's visit, and asks to be dropped across the street from the Texas School Book Depository (where Russian-speaking “Lee Harvey Oswald” is already working).
In recent years, some researchers have written that they believe much of the above can be explained by an internal mole hunt being conducted by the CIA. But are we certain of that?
Or is it equally or more plausible that these documents are just what they appear to be: instruments to take the federal spotlight off Oswald so he could be framed for the assassination of JFK.
If you are going to kill a sitting president in broad daylight, you simply must have a patsy to shut down any real investigation. Otherwise, that investigation will be relentless, and you will be caught. The mechanics for the set-up of the patsy appear to be right in front of our eyes. Does a “mole hunt” really explain it?
Jim, can you add to that list Brewer's shoe shop appearance of one Oswald buying a pair of 'two eyelet crepe-soled shoes, model 8110, size eight and a half' a few weeks prior to the assassination? Maybe another patsy set up of the Harvey by the Lee. Maybe 'Lee' appearing in the shoe shop doorway on the 22nd to lead Brewer to the Texas theatre, as we know two Oswalds came out of there, one through the front & one out the back.
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32 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:
What Everybody Is Missing About Bob Dylan’s JFK Song
You don’t know me darlin’
You never would guess
I’m nothing like my ghostly appearance would suggest
I ain’t no false prophet
I just said what I said
I’m just here to bring vengeance on somebody’s head.
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4 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
I thought I read above somewhere but could not find it that Ian's son had the manuscript. Maybe in another thread on here. I've no idea how close to finished it might be. If near it would be great if it could be published. I know JFK Lancer still has a link regarding publishing. If final editing is needed maybe Larry Hancock and/or Joseph Mc Bride could offer experienced, knowledgeable, trustworthy assistance or advice as to the DPD aspect. I'd think getting one's fathers work published would be a tribute from a son though I have no ideal of their relationship.
In his presentation at the 2013 conference he does seem to be in somewhat bad ill health at points. I don't know when illness officially intervened but he passed a year ago net Friday. Sad that he couldn't finish off his last work.
I did finally order No Case To Answer today. I'd hesitated a couple of times previously because from reviews it covers many other aspects than DPD/Ruby I've read about previously that have been hashed and rehashed about elsewhere. The bag, Mauser, Ed Hoffman and more. But it will be a fresh perspective for me, from a seemingly honest and trustworthy cop. It is 400 plus pages. I also hesitated because of the cost. $24.99 for a somewhat now dated book. One penny short of free shipping at amazon. The reviews, Larry's comments and I guess serendipity convinced me.
On April 14th I ordered Rose Cherami: Gathering Fallen Petals by her son Michael Marcades. It never came, they refunded a few days ago. Both books together with no shipping, 46 bucks. Over 800 pages between them, I can make them last several day's if I pace myself. As Mastercard or Visa says almost "priceless" in these times home alone.
Ian wasn't in good health back in 2013. His son Steve had to accompany him to Dallas, he was having difficulty walking. I recall Steve having to assist his old man onto the stage at the Adolphus. I've just finished my signed copy of the Rose Cherami book. A harrowing biography, fictional dialogue & only touches the JFK case in the latter pages.
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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
We could surely use a detailed book on the DPD.
Ian Griggs was in the process of finishing his manuscript on the DPD, when illness intervened. He then went into a care home & never came out. Maybe Bart knows what happened to his work.
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Rough And Rowdy Ways is Bob Dylan’s first album of original material in 8 years and his first since becoming the only songwriter to receive the Nobel Prize for Literature, in 2016. Its 10 tracks include the three new songs released this spring: the album’s lead-off track, “I Contain Multitudes,” the nearly 17-minute epic “Murder Most Foul” and “False Prophet.”
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The Rydberg drawing is incorrect in relation to the position of JFK's body.....as Chris Bristow has intimated in the above post.
Humes and Fink were positioned around JFK's head, Boswell worked on the lower body with his back to the gallery, and Jim Jenkins assisted Boswell at JFK's right shoulder facing the gallery.
Although the '68 Rydberg sketch gives the impression to me that you couldn't swing a cat in there!
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Just to muddy the waters Trauma Room One nurse Phyllis J. Hall describes the throat wound as 'a big exit wound' and states that "half way between the earlobe and the shoulder there was a bullet laying perpendicular there". Was she ever in TR1?
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10 hours ago, Anthony Thorne said:
Good list so far. I’ll add Mal Hyman’s Burying the Lead, which is very solid. I’m reading it right now. Donald Gibson’s two books are also recommended.
Anthony, thanks for the recommendations. Three books that I don't have.
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5 hours ago, Kishan Dandiker said:
From what I've seen it seems like he is. By all accounts is a very tough man so not too much of a surprise. Think he's around 94.
Wow! The Methuselah of the JFK case.
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On 4/22/2020 at 3:13 AM, Ron Bulman said:
In another thread mention was made of a presentation at a Lancer conference by Ian Griggs titled Jack Ruby and the DPD. I googled him and the title and found references to it, I believe it was the 2011 conference. Just wondering if anyone out there might know if more about it might be found anywhere.
Ian's Jack Ruby & the DPD presentation was at the Lancer 2013 NID conf. I have a full recording. It is also available from Lancer.
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8 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:
False Mystery, Vincent Salandria
Yeah, great addition...edited by John Kelin who put together Praise from a future generation which is a must.
Is Salandria still alive?
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9 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
That's weird. Searching amazon using Jim's name looking for The Assassinations nothing came up. Switched to Lisa Pease, there it is.
Great articles in it by both.
Also, I'd add to your list,
Devil's Chessboard, David Talbot
In the Eye of History, William Law
Last Word/Plausible Denial, Mark Lane
Survivor's Guilt, Vince Palamara
Cheers Ron. Since posting I've discovered The Assassinations tucked away on my Kindle!! Maybe it's senility creeping in. + those four additions are great books too which I have.
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I have never discovered any statement from DPD or Sheriff officers who discovered the Carcano (or Mauser) stating that they sniffed the barrel to prove that their discovery had been fired.
Strange that!
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4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Thanks to you both. 👋
Not so much to Pete though.
Fancy picking Mellen's book on the Garrison case instead of Destiny Betrayed.....even after you signed my copy! I'll get my coat.
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5 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:
The Assassinations anthology, edited by James DiEugenio, is a great collection of essays.
How about L. Fletcher Prouty's book, JFK, the CIA, and Vietnam? It was one of the first JFKA books I ever read, (a few years ago) after watching Oliver Stone's film, JFK, and learning that the character Mr. X (Donald Sutherland) was mainly based on USAF Col. L. Fletcher Prouty.
The Assassinations anthology isn't one I have, so thanks for the recommendation. Can't see it on Amazon, so can you give me details? I have Destiny Betrayed & The JFK Assassination.
The Prouty book title I have is The CIA, Vietnam & the plot to assassinate John F. Kennedy (2009) which I assume is the same book. I also have The Secret Team.
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5 hours ago, Kishan Dandiker said:
Gaeton Fonzi, the last investigation
Jim Garrison, On the Trail of the Assassins
Josiah Thompson, Six Seconds in Dallas
Jim Dieugenio, Destiny Betrayed
Need to read Meagher and Lifton's books properly. I have them but only used them as a reference for a speech I gave. The updated version of Crossfire is the best overall summary of the case against the Warren Commission
Cheers Kishan, I have all on your list....the latter two signed by the authors.
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As an avid reader of assassination books, and ready to receive recommendations from the many knowledgeable members of this forum....what publications on this subject do you consider essential inclusions to a library. Attempting to be brief, here are some of mine to start the ball rolling. (I don't say I go along with the full theories of some of these, but value the depth of research.)
Accessories after the fact. Sylvia Meagher. Best Evidence. David Lifton. JFK Ordeal in Africa. Richard Mahoney. Crossfire. Jim Marrs. All of John Newman's books. Deep politics & death of JFK. Peter Dale Scott. Bloody Treason. Noel Twyman. Harvey & Lee. John Armstrong. Farewell to Justice. Joan Mellen. JFK & the Unspeakable. James Douglass. Into the Nightmare. Joe McBride. Inside the A.R.R.B. (5 Vols.) Doug Horne. The Incubus of Intervention. Greg Poulgrain. + on Kindle The Master Chronology set. Walt Brown.
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2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
I am beginning to think this might have been manmade.
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9 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:
Pete, thanks much for your comments about my work. I believe Kantor about Ruby. Kantor was a solid reporter, and his book on Ruby is good. Kantor's
typed notes about his assassination coverage are in one of the 26 WC volumes and are valuable. Ruby
would have had time to go from the Tippit murder scene (if he was there) to Parkland. He
may have been involved in helping stage the witnesses (etc.) for the Tippit murder; I go into
that in INTO THE NIGHTMARE, basing it partly on the theory proposed by Jerry Rose. Ruby
tried to tell Earl Warren he was involved in the Nov. 22 plotting, but Warren wouldn't listen. Roger Craig
was a reliable and honest witness. The station wagon story is credible, and you can
see the vehicle in a photo taken at 12:40 p.m. There were two Oswalds, as Armstrong has shown, and so they left Dealey Plaza in
different ways. I am not convinced the cab ride did not happen.
Joe, thanks for your comments. I'm no researcher, just an avid book reader on the case. After all the years collecting & reading assassination books I think my vision of events are more cloudy with time! The one thing I am convinced about is JFK got his head blown off in Dallas by shooters (plural) the rest of the case is ambiguous. Tippit's murder too. But that's why we debate this after all this time.
Not sure how you look so much younger in this interview than your Forum pic?
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1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:
The back wound was lower, sure, but “lower torso”?
Cliff, according to James Jenkins Humes & Fink had the body in a more or less sitting position to probe the back wound. Boswell made the Y incision while JFK's body was flat on the slab. Jenkins assisted Boswell with the removal of most major organs, intestines, heart, lungs etc, etc and weighing of same and entering data on the face sheet. Humes removed the brain which was passed to Boswell and Jenkins for them to infuse with formalin in bucket.
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Joseph, really enjoyed that interview, + I.T.N. which I read some years back. I have a couple of points to ask.
1) You mentioned Clemmons i.d. of the Tippit shooter, short stocky guy, that you intimated could have been Ruby. What are your thoughts on Seth Kantor's i.d. of Ruby at Parkland?
2) Also mentioned taxi cab driver Whaley's drive timing. I have heard Bart Kamp's belief that the cab ride never happened. + do you think Roger Craig's sighting in the Plaza was correct, and/or are you thinking along the lines of two Oswalds leaving the T.S.B.D.?
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On 4/8/2020 at 3:49 AM, Cliff Varnell said:
That happened with JFK’s back? Who made this Y incision?
Humes & Fink probed around the back wound & worked on the jigsaw puzzle that was JFK's skull. Boswell made the Y incision & removed organs from the lower torso.
Gary Hill’s THE OTHER OSWALD
in JFK Assassination Debate
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Anthony, your recent recommendations of 'Burying the Lead' & 'The Kennedy Assassination Cover-Up' are in the post. This looks good too, thanks.