Robert Montenegro
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1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:
@Robert Montenegro Are you arguing that Amit didn't activate Skorzeny on at least one occasion to liaise on his behalf with an Egyptian official to discuss a peace option? On the surface, it seems only logical that Mossad was protecting their own interests.
No.
However, I will argue that until CIA comes clean with all of there files pertaining to the use of
intelligence agents, the Mossad stories just don't pass muster.
Of course, Mossad can get off of their white-and-blue clerical-fascist asses, and just release all of their files related to Skorzeny...
...and please, don't wave words like logical in my face when it comes to the Mossad—just call me, Alice and the Mossad working with Skorzeny is my White Rabbit with a pocket watch.
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2 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
Snitch jackets - new concept for me. So the story of Mossad going to Madrid to enlist Skorzeny to dismantle Egypt’s nuclear program was planted by Angleton?
It's a helluva way to keep the herd in line, so to speak.
Imagine, if you will, that you're a
hunter in the 1960's, you contact CIA for help, and they come back to you with official documentation that your target is working for Israeli intelligence?!
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5 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
Egads...for civilian planes?
Jawohl!
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45 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:
They also entertained "sabotaging" airplane parts being shipped from Canada to Cuba, according to the doc.
Now the sabotaging of airplane parts using the Canadian Vickers Limited in Canada, that did go into effect...
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So according to the above linked document, a 06 September 1962 meeting of Special Group Augmented, a meeting that included then US Attorney General Robert Francis Kennedy, no less, the entire Operation Mongoose task force signed off on the use of biological weapons against the Cuban citizenry:
At the expense of sounding like a liberal bleeding heart, how, may I ask, does that square off with members of this forum who defend the legacy of the Kennedy brothers, for better or worse.
I mean, the use of biological weapons against a civilian population during a state of formal conflict, since the Nuremberg Trials, have been strictly forbidden under the penalty of being charged as a war criminal.
And we certainly were not in a state of formal war against the Cuban government.
The way I see it, the Attorney General, Robert Kennedy, and everyone at this meeting, covertly signed off on an act of state-sponsored biological terrorism.
Now the follow-up question is, did it ever go into effect?
I just gotta say, some real gems are being released in these new documents that are causing me to completely reevaluate just how savage the military personnel surrounding President Kennedy really were, and how that environment was poisoning the mind of anti-criminal crusaders like RFK.
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1 minute ago, Benjamin Cole said:
You have my DM, send a note if ever you feel exasperated with the behavior of other participants in the EF-JFKA, or for any other reason as well.
I look forward to gaining a deeper understanding of the JFKA, and our government, by reading your posts.
Thank you, once again for your kind words of encouragement.
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7 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:
Well Leslie, you know how I feel about this from private conversations.
I believe that James Jesus Angleton was developing "snitch jackets" for
intelligence agents working within the CIA, so it would look like they were working for Soviet or Israeli intelligence if they ever got too big for their britches, as it were.
Certainly Professor Jeffery Bale wrote about this phenomenon in his brilliant work "The Darkest Sides of Politics, I: Postwar Fascism, Covert Operations, and Terrorism," which can be seen at the link below:
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3 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
RM--
I am a fan of yours. I am nowhere in your league as a primary docs researcher, though I have done some.
Please keep posting in the EF-JFK and, yes, it takes nearly unlimited forbearance to deal with certain participants here.
My only advice as an old man: Never take anything personally, and some people here need serious counseling---but what can we do?
Just grin and bear it. The site allows you to put certain participants on "ignore."
Thank you for the kind words. I will take your sage wisdom under advisement, and apply it.
As I have stated before, I do suffer from shell-shock and PTSD, so any little bit of probing into my discipline as a documents hound does send me over the edge sometimes.
Ultimately, I am biased, in the sense that I believe the murder of President Kennedy was not just the forcible removal of a head of state, but that it represented an act of terrorism with a message.
And that message was simple: if you try to do what JFK did, we will destroy you.
In effect, every US president since 22 November 1963, has been a transient official, with no real power.
When the figurehead is just a shill, that is a fascist state.
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Mr. Gram and Mr. Backes, I owe you both an ass.
My apologies.
But in case you haven't noticed, I am being probed by right-wing provocateurs on this forum, looking for me to slip up and type something that can be lazily interpreted as insensitive (before the past eight years, I've never run into so many sensitive
sympathizers).
In any case, I will try to find those interviews.
It is going to take a while.
Godspeed.
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1 hour ago, Joseph Backes said:
Did you go to Archives II and go through this material there yourself?
36 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:Uh, you brought up Oswald by saying that the 112th had him under surveillance, etc. Joe and I asked for sources. You have not provided any. Am I missing something here?
To answer Mr. Backes, yes, I did read thru the entirety of Box #7
You can request access here: specialaccess_foia@nara.gov.
As for my sources, Mr. Gram, I do not wish to post links to my Google Drive on this public forum.
As I stated before, here is where you can access interviews with members of the 112th MID:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/review-board/barger-files.html
In those interviews, conducted by the ARRB's Lt. Col. Timothy A. Wray, Chief Analyst for Military Records & Christopher Barger, with US Army Col. Rudolph M. Reich, Commander of the 316th Intelligence Operations Detachment, who was on loan to the 112th Intelligence Command, as Chief of the 112th's Field Operations Intelligence, claims that those officers I named off, were surveilling Mr. Oswald.
Now, please, go do your own foot work, please.
I have no intention of running the gamut of requesting to see those documents again.
Perhaps if you had come to my help, when I was pleading with everyone to come to my aid on this forum two years ago, when I was kicked off, and I had those documents in front of me, things would be different.
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3 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:
The uncouth need not drive the civil out of this forum.
Amen.
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1 minute ago, Leslie Sharp said:
hear hear!
I can hear your wonderful laughter thru the computer screen 🤣
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15 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:
And so it goes ... deliberations boomerang to focus on the patsy.
We literally have all of the resources to solve the murder of the President right now, yet I am stuck talking about that Reich-wing agent provocateur Lee Harvey Oswald, AGAIN!
I know we are not allowed to solicit on the Education Forum, but can someone give me the budget that Mr. DiEugenio and Oliver Stone had on "JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass," and I'll have the United States in the middle of an anti-capitalist, peace revolution by dawn.
All without spending ninety minutes of precious screen time on Commission Exhibit 399...
...can this topic please stick to the document at hand.
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2 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:
And so it goes ... deliberations boomerang to focus on the patsy.
IT NEVER ENDS.
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36 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:
Domestic operations did a good deal of work establishing domestic "covers" for foreign operations - which was actually one of Barnes' long time specialties and possibly the reason he was given the assignment.
Like covers for foreign mechanics, like, I don't know, maybe, Capt. Jean-René Marie Souètre, or
SS-Obersturmbannführer Otto Skorzeny, or perhaps stateless goons like Jean-Pierre Lafitte.
This is fun, roundabout logic and inference, woo-hoo!
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21 minutes ago, Joseph Backes said:
Could you supply RIFs or book citations to back this info up? It's very interesting.
Here, knock yourself out:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/review-board/barger-files.html
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32 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:
As LHO was not a foreign national, it seems hard to see how LHO could have been at any stage the target of DOD operations.
Plus, it has already been documented that Mr. Oswald was of interest to a COL. Harold Muddy Frindell, who was commander of 112th Military Intelligence Group, Region II command, 4th US Army Operations Group, Counterintelligence, US Army, Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
COL. Frindell even had military intelligence operatives in New Orleans, spying on Mr. Oswald:
- CMDR David C. Reid (commander, Naval Criminal Investigative Service, 8th Naval District, Office of Naval Intelligence, New Orleans, Louisiana/ liaison, 112th Military Intelligence Group)
- John J. D'Angelo (Special Agent, US Air Force Office of Special Investigations, 9th District, New Orleans, Louisiana/ liaison, 112th Military Intelligence Group)
- Harry G. Maynor (FBI, Special Agent In Charge, New Orleans, Louisiana/ liaison, 112th Military Intelligence Group)
And of course, Edward John Coyle (Head of Security Section, 112th Military Intelligence Group) was in the Sexton Building (AKA Texas School Book Depository), just minutes after the murder of President Kennedy, for still, to this day, unknown reasons...
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I really hope this thread doesn't stray too off course.
It's about the significance of new documents.
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1 minute ago, Joseph Backes said:
IG Report Here - https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1794
Not that I am concerned with the IG Reports, as I am looking thru newly released documents (thanks, just the same) but—
There are nine IG reports on this link.
At the expense of sounding like a lazy good-for-nothing, which IG report is it?
My eyes ain't what they used to be, sonny, been blowed up one too many times in da war.
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8 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:
OR, discussing border crossing!
James Hugh Angleton, James Jesus Angleton's father, was a United States Army intelligence field agent posted to the US-Mexico border, serving with brand-new 2nd Lt. Adolph Karl Weidenbach (later, he changed his name to Charles Andrew Willoughby) in the Pershing Expedition.
In fact, "Hugh" Angleton met James' mother while serving in Mexico in 1916.
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7 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:
I'm not convinced! lololol.
I mean, you know what I think.
I think it's COL. Askins and they're both chuckling to themselves about about how well things went in Dallas.
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1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:
In the picture- James Angelton and the Director of the Mossad, Meir Amit.
Well, that make sense, Angleton was the commander of the Israeli Desk in CIA for thirty years.
I guess we can close down this thread.
Brilliant gumshoeing, Leslie, as per usual!
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1 minute ago, Leslie Sharp said:
As Dick Russel notes in his limited analysis, only someone directly involved would have been privy to the level of detail revealed in Lafitte's datebook.
Well, in a word, it is horrifying that Coup, and the significance of the Lafitte document are being ghosted.
On that note however, nothing would make me happier than to see that blasted datebook authenticated—for whatever it's intrinsic & intellectual value may represent...
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2 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:
Robert, Do we have the IG report that defines Barnes as DOD chief as referenced in Alan Kent's essay published in Coup back in 2021?
I can ask Alan for a link to the document, or you may already have it?
I have heard about this IG report from our own private conversations, but for the life of me, I have never seen it.
I think you'll have to contact Alan.
In any case, we have two, brand new documents, on e from 1962, and the other from 1975, cementing Barnes in that role.
WIROUGE-1 was a Gestapo asset & Gehlen Org Operative...
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by Robert Montenegro
Go to page 113 of the above link and you will see the following brand-new, never before published information about WIROGUE-1, AKA David Tzitzichvili AKA David de Panaskhet AKA Ernest G. Maycrink AKA Hauptmann Georg Reiner:
Whoever WIROGUE-1 really was, according to the CIA, he had a working (albeit precariously dangerous) working relationship with the Gestapo during WWII.
WIROGUE-1 was a member of the Vichy French Foreign Legion, First Calvary Regiment (a detachment of the Wehrmacht's 90th Light Infantry Division, stationed in Tunis, Tunisia), a member of the Waffen-SS, Ost-Bataillone, Georgische Legion, by 1944, was an engineer for the Nationalsozialistisches Kraftfahrkorps, NSKK, helping set up the Atlantic Wall defenses in Normandy, and finally finishing out the war as a French-German translator for the Schutzpolizei des Reiches in Berlin, Germany, *operating in the Konzentrationslager system as a Gestapo documents forger!
*(further evidence of his documents forging while a Gestapo agent can be found on page 190 of this file).
WIROGUE-1 was a Nazi intelligence operative — END OF DISCUSSION.
On page 141 of the very same document, we can see clearly that while WIROGUE-1 was entering the Congo on 3 April 1961, his cover identity was provided by the Gehlen Organization, or UPHILL, as they were known within CIA transmissions:
What was that cover story that Gehlen Organization gave WIROGUE-1 when he was operating under when he was in the Congo?
Oh, just the false backstory & appropriate supporting documents, that WIROGUE-1 was a former Hauptmann in the Wehrmacht named Georg Reiner!?
Equally disturbing is that WIROGUE-1's military advisor in the Congo was another Gehlen Organization agent (also a former Nazi), who went by the pseudonym "...Lt. Col. Stahl...," whose real name was "...Wolf Meister..." and these messages were transmitted with the heading of a *previously unidentified cryptonym "...ZRAMBER..."
*(Could somebody contact Bill Simpich for me and get this on Mary Ferrell?)
I don't know what else to say, other than read em' and weep.
We finally have the full background on WIROGUE-1
Of course, WIROGUE-1's relationship with the particular QJWIN that was operating in the Congo has to be completely reevaluated.