Ron Ege

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Sandy, Thank you. I concur with all. If I remember, some of LHO's fellow marines referred to him as "Oswaldskovitch" because of his intense display of support for all things Russia and Marxism/communism. By the by, good luck with that "act" - especially as a U. S. Marine with a secret security clearance and yet continuing on active duty. Someone was "winking and nodding". Otherwise, he would've been "out on his ear" from the Corp. My service, the USAF wouldn't have tolerated it - and for sure - nor would the USMC. Your apt take that he was not a violent man fits his other nickname "Ozzie Rabbit". A John Wayne stereotype marine, Oswakd was not. Maybe you've run across one, but I'm stilling looking for that first "violent" rabbit.

Marjan. I am curious to when, where, and how Oswald was able to develop the shooting skill that he was alleged to have demonstrated that day - especially since world class, expert riflemen (snipers some, with "nerves of steel") were unable to replicate it. Developing such skills, would've taken untold hours upon hours of practice and beaucoup ammunition - neither of which Oswald was ever known or been reported to have had. Two USMC rifle qualification opportunities at non-moving targets, the last being well before 11/22/63, would hardly have "done the trick". Oswald also would've needed a similar "moving target" during his "practice sessions".

Sandy, Agree with the "no accent". Interesting, interplay of his time in TX, NY, and LA, and . . . . ? Apparently, that combination "erased" any of the usual accents we've come to know. I lived in IN, AZ, CA, TX, MS, SC, ND, MD, MI, GA, OH, and WA. Have traveled extensively and spent at least a little bit of time in the rest of the states. Teaching middle school for 17 years here in northern IN, most of the Black students said "aks" for "ask". I've never heard it anywhere else, unless it was an unintentional misspeak, and the person always corrected it right away. So, I'm thinking that it is simply an ingrained part of the regional dialect. In the kids' defense, I often hear, "I doe not" for "I do not" - and it goes uncorrected by the person - many of whom are well-educated - some are even TV and/or radio announcers. When I lived in Charleston, SC, in the early-mid '60s, my landlord spoke Geech. After knowing the man two and a half years, I still understood only half of what he said. I see Oswald as being articulate, especially considering his level of formal education. It's one thing to read extensively, therefore building a reading and listening vocabulary. Incorporating that into a speaking vocabulary takes some practice.

Agree. Absolutely aware of the compartmentalization. Just wasn't sure if Sandy ruled out any Oswald foreknowledge of the plot. So, assuming he was set up for that, isn't it also possible that the alleged Walker shooting was also contrived, again, as part of the "Oswald Myth". Yes, I know that too remains contentious. It's one thing to follow orders, masquerading as a FPCC "official" so as to gain intelligence about that organization - but to me, considering Oswald's history relative to his personality/behavior/demeanor, to leap from that to - "Sure boss. I'll go get rid of that pesky-wing ex general for ya". Well, . . . . Since Ruby was so "helpful" during the press conference, regarding the organization's correct name, maybe he talked Ozzie into it? 🤪 LHO seemed smart enough to realize that he'd be taking the chance that he himself would be shot, during or after the attempt, or in the least, be arrested and tried for attempted murder. So much then, for watching his daughters grow up. Setting him up for the JFK Assassination surely was more complicated than implicating him for the Walker attempt.

I guess it depends on one's sense of humor. Anyhow, if valid, then for me the scenario is at least, interesting. Going from memory, was it not reported by someone that Oswald sat next to two people, maybe three, one being a pregnant woman - moving from seat to seat, in a what, 600 seat theatre, with roughly 20 patrons. Can any of our more learned members provide a link?

Sandy, thanks. Yes, your false flag example. Yes, to goal, trust, and implication.

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Sandy, Do you see Oswald naive enough to have believed in a false flag op as presented by whomever, therefore participating in it, seeing it as his duty to do so? Whether or not he was involved, I would agree that he did not know that JFK would actually be assassinated. When he realized - oops - time for that, "made up on the fly escape plan".

Sandy, your take makes a great deal more sense than the official version - and it is not complicated. Thanks.

If the evidence showed that is what happened, beyond a reasonable doubt, I would agree. Unless someone can provide that, I am going to remain skeptical of that scenario. I believe there is enough reasonable doubt to preclude it. We'll agree to disagree.

Absolutely not. From military shooting and now pleasure shooting at the target range experience, my ears would be ringing, big time. Making the alleged shots in the time allotted, by a basically non-experienced shooter, with an antiquated difficult to operate bolt action rifle, along with a misaligned scope, at a moving target on a down grade is a nonstarter. One would have to be that well known "bridge buyer" to believe it. Anybody who would say that is well - making things up.

I do understand your point. I cannot know the exact role that Sandy has in mind for Oswald. That said, if as Sandy believes (I think he does anyway), that Oswald really did not own the rifle, then he did not order it. Now what are we left with? Heck, I don't know the plotters' plan either, but one would think that there would've been a back-up to a back-up plan, especially considering what appeared to be the plotter's foiled assassination attempts in two other cities. Was the plot so much "smoke and mirrors" that on the one hand, Ozzie had to painted as "natural born killer" or was he just originally supposed to be painted as just the "brains" behind the plot and not the trigger man - until what - by hook or by crook - something unforeseen transpired and the plot had to be "adjusted" - at the last minute? E.g., an alternative, to the alternative . . . . . IMHO, LHO was not so naive to agree to order a rifle that could be traced to him, that was to be used in an assassination of the POTUS - whatever BS story he was given. If one was indeed given, and LHO was not just blind-sided, on the surface, he'd have to see it as plausible and not one where he'd be implicated, charged, tried, convicted, and executed. Could the plotters, as Sandy has hypothesized, have originally had in mind to just implicate Oswald in a minor plot, and then "changed horses in the middle of the stream, thinking, "Hey, this new scenario will work out even better for us." Somehow, someway, no doubt, Oswald was expertly hoodwinked. Hence, his impromptu "escape plan" from the TSBD - inexplicable - as it appears to have been. When whatever person it comes to be that eventually solves the case - well, they''ll "be on Easy Street". 'Til then, "A mystery, wrapped in a riddle, inside an enigma".

Jonathan, I thought, reading Sandy's post, he proffered that the plotters may have been implicating specifically LHO, not as the shooter - but perhaps they had him playing another role - that of a "ringleader" or "intermediary". Either role or any other associated assassination one, even minor, would've certainly implicated him, and wasn't that all that was needed? Whether or not the MC found on the TSBD sixth floor was ordered/belonged to Oswald is, in a lot of minds, still a very questionable fact. Anyway, for discussion purposes, assuming the MC was Oswald's, even if he wasn't the shooter, and just say, maybe the "rifle procurer" - didn't the plotters still accomplish their implication of his involvement in the assassination? Also, if in fact, the TSBD' MC is actually the one that Oswald allegedly ordered, the chain of possession from between his alleged pickup - until the time it was "found" in the "sniper's lair" is more than questionable - even on a very good day. So, what if, just for discussion, Oswald did, indeed, order said MC. Could the scene not have gone like this? "Hey Lee, you've been doin' a pretty nice job for us. We need you to order this here rifle through the mail. It's just going to be used as a part of Senator Dodd's firearms mail order investigation. No worries." Subsequently, Oswald is then instructed to transfer the rifle to a person or persons unknown - ostensibly to be placed in an "evidence file", at such future time when Dodd's committee "had the goods" on the firearms dealers. Lee's little task is done, time for another assignment for the ersatz future assassin. Whether Oswald thought he was just a witting/innocent participant in what he thought was a "false flag" op (no real harm was to come to JFK) propounded to be, by his superiors - "in the best interest of U. S. national security" or he was completely oblivious and just going about his intelligence operative usual business - in the end - didn't matter. In either case - viola. Near sixty years later, for truth seekers, the "problem" remains: "Just how in the world, did Lee, that young son-of-gun, get his trusty rifle up to that "sniper's lair" that day"?

Sandy, I'm guessing that you consider LHO to not have been a defector/turncoat/traitor. In truth, IMHO, as a former marine and by the preponderance of everything we've learned about him, most likely an intelligence operative and perhaps even a FBi informant, he seemed to be a patriot, After nearly sixty years, I believe that he may be ruled out as a "crazed lone assassin." So, right - he was set up. The plotters did not have need to have him be on the sixth floor, in the "sniper's lair". Besides there being no credible evidence that he was ever that "crazed lone assassin" he was eventually pictured to be, Oswald was not unintelligent. LHO had to know that he was not capable of the shooting feat that is part of the official record - that which has never been exactly duplicated by the world's finest marksmen. And would the plotters really have chosen LHO as their "lone assassin" - he, whose record as a USMC rifleman mostly indicated that his questionable ability pretty much implied that he was a former member of "the gang who couldn't shoot straight"? As we are aware, one supposition has it, especially if we take into account, perhaps, young man naivete/over confidence (me thinks that he might have been a wee bit over his head, playing with the spy craft "big boys"), he was convinced to play a part in a "false flag operation". Of course, with assurances that he would be shielded and not be, in any manner, implicated. However, unsuspected by Oswald, the plotters had ensured that he would be connected to the assassination by virtue of all the "evidence" created by them alone and/or with LHO's innocent help over the years, that was eventually made part of his "legend" - As you so aptly put forth, what was important was that LHO be quickly determined to be part of a Russian and/or Cuban conspiracy to assassinate the POTUS with the concomitant reaction of the government and the American people - demanding immediate retribution against the "commies". Anyway, shortly subsequent to the shots, young Lee begins to understand - "Aw, crap - this "escapade" they told me about - didn't quite go as I thought. I need to high-tail it to my contact and find out my next step." For the plotters, whatever it was - something had gone wrong. For Lee and Tippit, everything, precipitously, started "going south".

Ben, As always, thanks for your caution, along with some clarity. 'Twas early in '67, skepticism (of the media in particular) became my everyday watchword - directly after I finished reading Josiah Thompon's SIX SECONDS IN DALLAS. At that moment, a quote that I had read somewhere, whilst I was still in high school - "Trust nothing you hear and half of everything you see" - hit home. Though I grant many consider that quote to be an exaggeration, considering that we've witnessed over the past six decades - well, I'd rather err on safe side. https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuf I haven't run into anyone yet, that considers NPR to be "extreme right wing". And we have this - similarly reported at other sites: Yes, Trump ‘Offered’ to Send the Guard to DC for Jan 6, and Yes, Democrats Rejected it Until Too late - American Defense News Eventually, as has with the JFK Assassination - truth will out.

David Lifton - " . . .LHO did not attend DLI, . . .: Agree. There is no evidence placing LHO there for, probably what, six months? I worked alongside of DIL graduates, and that was about average. And why would the intelligence agency (ONI, CIA?) grooming/training Oswald as a false defector want him to have an official paper trail of learning the language? Seems that would be a mighty big red flag for the Russians, adding to their already understandable suspicions of him. LHO's times "in the brig" would present the mentioned training opportunities, as well as the alleged short hospitalization for the "UTI/Clap". The "official reason" for the latter, IMHO, is fatuous, at best. Having spent two USAF tours in the Far East, Okinawa, '62-"63 and Viet Nam, "66-'67, troops afflicted with either one, did NOT spend a week in bed rest. Upon reporting to the dispensary for treatment, they were diagnosed, given antibiotics, and were directed to report back to duty. Routinely, their medical records were annotated, "in line of duty". Whether or not Oswald's tutor was the woman of Polish background (I'm inclined to go with David's "reveal") and/or another person or persons unknown, would it be out of the question for an intelligence agency to covertly recruit/pay said tutor(s)? How better to avert a paper trail. If memory serves, there has been much written as to how LHO could've saved enough of his USMC pay to have paid for his trip overseas. If he was being paid extra for his language ability, might that not have helped?

Ian and Joe, of course. Thank you. Whoever he was, astute assassin he must have been, since he was able to meticulously plan and execute his dastardly deed, bordering on which, if not an absolutely miraculous accomplishment, is pretty darn close - and which has never since been duplicated - he suddenly suffered a senior moment. Instead of exiting the sixth floor as fast as humanly possible so as to maximize the chance of a successful getaway, he decides to waste precious seconds "hiding" the rifle? "Hiding" the MC makes no sense. As you pointed out Joe, LHO was not unintelligent, and he would have known an hour or two delay in the authorities "finding" it would matter not, considering the alleged "records trail" that he left. The family aspect you mentioned is "icing on the cake". Someone planting the rifle beforehand, does make sense. Otherwise, we're left with the option that the MC was fired that day and then instead of "beating feet" immediately after the last shot, the assassin incredibly wasted precious time, taking time to "hide" it. If so, then me thinks that he must've also been an absolutely astounding gambler.

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Roger, nice summation. Keep it comin'.

Michael, thank you. Perhaps, seemingly to some, you are just a "bewildered voice in the wilderness" - but I would also guess many appreciate what "you bring to the table." I would think that there should always be room here, for dissenting voices.

As always with LHO - Joe Pesci, as David Ferrie, in JFK (1991): "It's a mystery, wrapped in a riddle, inside an enigma."

Some have hypothesized that the assassination was a false flag operation. If so, with or without Oswald's prior knowledge of same, his actions seem to make more sense - regardless of which conveyance he may have used to get the rooming house. Maybe I've missed it, but maybe those more learned here, would be able to positively state whether he used the cab or the bus? For me, the bus seems to be a non-starter. Cab less so, but still. Maybe I've also missed reading about the "after actions" of other "lone assassins", but which one, after assassinating a head of state by his own hand, and there being NO foreknowledge thereof by others, goes to a nearly empty movie theatre and sits serially, right next to - what was it, three different patrons, one a pregnant woman, and then gets up to find someone else to sit next to? Hm-m. I vote for LHO realizing he had been "hoodwinked/hornswoggled". If so, his post assassination actions seem to indicate a combination of preplanning/"making it up on the run" (the rooming house stop). Hence, to many, his alleged "escape plan" appears discombobulated. So. many of us are now left with feeling "bumfuzzled".

A given, of course; was just making a making a general point - no intention of intimating the "extreme left" was involved in the assassination.

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