John Geraghty

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David, Not sure if you are still visiting this thread... but just in case, I'd like to comment rather late on this earlier post of yours. When I read accounts of the contacts between JFK conspiracy researchers and Chomsky over several decades - in articles and letters by Vincent Salandria, Michael Morrissey and others - I found it quite impossible to ascribe Chomsky's behaviour to an ideological blind spot. Chomsky has played a calculated game of evasion and distortion over the assassination of JFK since at least the 1960s. I.F. Stone did the same thing, way in 1964. He took umbrage over Bertrand Russell's suggestion that the Warren Commission was seriously flawed. Wholly out of character, the same Stone whose trademark quotation was "governments lie", announced without equivocation that Russell's critique was a disgraceful slur on good men. This kind of behaviour triggers the alarm on my crap detector. How about yours? And the strange thing is that Chomsky signed onto an advert placed in the New York Times in the 60's by Mark Lane saying that the Kennedy assassination had not been properly investigated. So it seems that Chomsky had early inclinations towards our way of thinking, but then backed off. Take from that what you will. John

I have just viewed the photographs of a deceased Gary Webb. One can clearly see two entry bullet wounds, there is no doubt about that. The gun that Webb supposedly used was a .38 and would have inflicted considerable damage to the skull. I find the idea of a double shot suicide highly implausible, as at the range and placing of the shots one would at least be knocked out by the force of the shot and would be unable to attempt it a second time. The proposed second autopsy was to be performed by Cyril Wecht, known to many JFK researchers. Before Wecht had a chance to perform the autopsy the Webb family had Gary's remains cremated. I think this may be due, in part, to Mike Ruppert's insistence that there was nothing suspicious about his death. Wecht's assistant, who has performed thousands of autopsies, a considerable number of which were suicides, says that he has never seen a double shot suicide. The placing of the wounds are approximately as placed on the attached photo as I have noted.

Thanks for this Francesca, I will try to put togethert the video with subtitles and post it to youtube. John

I too picked up a copy and was thoroughly impressed with it's content. The picture added by Bill tells a lot. I believe LeMa to be central to the takeover of government that followed the assassination. He was in a position to remove the codebooks from the SAC pilots and to order troops into Cuba, as they were prepared to do on 22nd Nov. I feel as though we have hit a watershed mark in our part in the assassination. Morley vs CIA is due to be reviewed soon enough, David Talbot is piling on the pressure, CIA abuses are being documented (or underdocuented, depending on your point of view) and there are several reports countering the sngle assassin theory. John

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=4667&st=60 Stephen Turner Aug 12 2005, 12:22 PM Post #1 "Taken from Conspiracy Nation, by Dave Emory. One thing I really noted it got little publicity, but he (Carter) said, We are going to have to go all the way back to the assassination (JFK) to get this country right. No sooner was Carter doing that than in May, summer of 1979, on a trip to L A there was an aborted attempt on the Presidents life. Two gunmen who had come up from Mexico named, Ray Lee Harvey, and Oswaldo Ortiz (Love the names were arrested for stalking Carter with a rifle,then they just disappeared, fell of the radar screen, no follow up on the prosecution or anything. I suspect a message was being sent to Carter."Anybody got any more on this, or is it B/S..Steve." It's a subject I'd wanted more info on. So I saved it. The weapon used by or planted upon John Hinckley when he shot Reagan was bought on Elm Street in Dallas. These names above are not simply coincidental. I think their names and the choice of Elm street to buy Hinckley's weapon is an indication that a message is being sent out. John

Randy Benson, a film maker and winner of a student academy award has released the first trailer of his upcoming film 'The Searchers', which tells the story of JFK assassination researchers. The trailer features a clip of John Judge speaking on the Knoll on the 40th anniversary of the assassination of JFK in front of a 5,000 strong crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flg0DE2RrWw John

John Judge and Lou Wolf (Washington peace centre and covert action quarterly) protest outside CIA HQ in Langley, VA.

I have unlocked the thread and it will stay open unless one of the other moderators informs me that they locked it. It may have been a simple mistake. All the best, John

For once, I agree with Colby. Jack Len, I'll see what the problem is. All it takes is a misplaced click for something like this to happen, but I will ask other moderators. It's good to see the beginnings of a love in between you two. John

Myself and John Judge went to an impeachement meeting of worldcantwait.org last night. Rep's Maxine Waters, Lynn Wolsey and Barbara Lee attended and spoke in support of impeachment. Indeed John and Mike Zmolek wrote some articles for Kucinich a few months ago. I'm supporting Kucinich in whatever way I can at the moment. I really need to catch up on my 911 reading. John

"To come up with a theory to explain "toasted vehicles" at the WTC we need to have a solution that explains the cause of the damage found with these vehicles." This line says it all. It is the formulation of theories and misguided speculation, not a following of the evdence or use of legitiamte logic. John

I'm sure your photographic skills come in very handy Jack. John

Len, I agree that Kucinich is a fairly low profile presidential candidate. I'm going to be involved in a few attempts to raise that profile via youtube and a bit of canvassing. Kucinich, or 'the kooch', as a lot of college students are calling him, is one of the most prolific of candidate youtube posters, and his videos are very good. www.youtube.com/Kucinich2008 John

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Evan, Here is a summary that I found on americanmafia.com One of the more bizarre crimes Tommy Sinito became involved in was 1978 assassination plot to kill then Cleveland Mayor Dennis Kucinich. The three year on again, off again, assassination plot ended when Dennis lost the 1979 mayoral election. Dennis Kucinich, nicknamed "The Boy Mayor" in 1977 rode into office on a wave of optimism for the City of Cleveland. He planned to make Cleveland into a dynamic place to live and work. within months Kucinich found the honeymoon was over with the media and the public. His nickname changed from "The Boy Mayor" to "Dennis the Menace". His bright political future came to a dead stop, his decision not to sell the Cleveland Municipal Light Electric Company to the Cleveland Electric Illuminating Company was one the major reason why. The city’s going into economic default was another.. Kucinich found himself reviled by all of the public media outlets, both electronic and print, in Cleveland. Kucinich became material for late night talk show hosts and other standup comedians. Cleveland again became known as the mistake on the lake. When he appeared to throw out the first pitch of the season for the 1978 Cleveland Indians opening game at the old Municipal Stadium, Kucinch had to wear a bullet proof vest for protection. Under his turbulent administration the city went into economic default. It had the poorest bond rating in the country. No finanical institution would extend credit to help Cleveland pay its bills. The city couldn’t burrow money. Cleveland as a major city had to pay its bills as it went. His time as Cleveland’s mayor is considered one of the worst in Cleveland’s history. Throughout his short time as Cleveland’s mayor both the city and he became the butt of every comedian in the country. Kucinich became the target of venomous outrage at his new found national identity. His naive political thinking didn’t meet the challenge of tough urban politics. He survived a recall election only to lose the mayoral election in 1979 to former Cuyahoga County auditor George Voinovich. For the next nine years under the leadership of then Mayor Voinovich, City Council Presidents Basil Russo and George Forbes, they repaired the economic damage Kucinich had done to the city. Under Voinovich’s leadership Cleveland was repaired to became a "comeback" city both nationally and economically. One decision Kucinich made while mayor was to review various city held contracts the city had with various companies. In an effort to save money for the financially strapped city have these contracts re-bid on, with the contracts going to the lowest bidder. This decision put him at odds with the Cleveland Mob. The Cleveland Mafia didn’t care Kucinch sold the Municipal Light system to the highest bidder, its sale didn’t affect them. Re-bidding on the city contracts they held through various front companies would Some city contracts, especially in garbage hauling, had been under total mob control since the late 1940s. When Dennis announced in both daily papers, the Plain Dealer and the now defunct Cleveland Press, that he planned to review all city held contracts and open them to the lowest outside bids, he made Cleveland’s Mafia leaders angry. If he were successful, this decision would collide with Mob interests. Kucinich made other economic decisions affecting mob interests, reviewing all of the garbage hauling contracts made him the target of their anger. Every mob held front company having any city contracts could have been investigated and criminal charges might been brought. This meant being convicted on federal racketeering charges under RICO (Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations). Under RICO statutes, sentencing penalties are stiff with long jail sentences. None of Cleveland’s mob leaders wanted any investigations of their front businesses to happen. Sinito was ordered to find an "outsider" to assassinate Kucinich. The Cleveland Mafia leaders didn’t want any evidence traced back to them. Mob leaders didn’t want to use the services of the local Murder Machine of Carmen Zagaria, Kevin McTaggart and the Graewe brothers, Hans and Fritz, all serial killers. Using local talent would lead back to them Sinito had to obtain the services of an outside contract killer. Sinito’s uncle Joey Maxim, who worked in an Atlantic City casino helped his nephew Tommy make a connection. Maxim made contact with a contract killer. Maxim didn’t know wjen he’d contacted a Maryland State Police officer using the name Gene. A police officer who specialized in posing as a contract killer. First contact between the two men came in the Atlantic City casino where Tommy’s uncle worked. Gene walked into the casino’s lounge where he’d been told to meet Sinito. Tommy who felt he was being watched nodded his head twice. Gene nodded back, Sinito knew the Kucinich assassination plot was on. The only name Gene had to work with was the first name Tommy. Cleveland Police searched their records and made the connection to Mafia associate Tommy Sinito. The original plan was to pay Gene $25,000 for his services. Several plans were discussed; one, kill Dennis as he left Tony’s Diner on West 117th and Lorain Avenue. Gene would perch on an outside steel fire escape across the street, armed with a sniper rifle and shot Dennis when he came out of the diner. A seconnd plan shot Dennis as he marched down Euclid Avenue in the 1979 Columbus Day Parade. Both plans fell through when Dennis wasn’t re-elected in 1979. How did Dennis earn the Cleveland Mob’s hatred? There were some things they liked about Dennis. Nowever when he questioned the garbage hauling contracts various mob members had with the Cleveland. Dennis threatened them, they had held these contracts for years as an monoply Kucinch wanted all garbage hauling contracts reviewed and re-bid on going to the lowest bidder. A steady source of income would dry up if this occurred. Dennis had to go. No one thumbed their nose at the Mob and got away with it! Money runs deeper than blood to the Mob If Dennis and his people couldn’t be controlled by bribery, other plans had to be made. Bizarre plans were hatched to control Dennis. For three years the Mob bounced ideas between themselves, none of them were ever realized. Gene found the Cleveland Mob connected to an interlinked chain of criminal influence reaching from Cleveland to Youngstown, the corruption crescent of Ohio. The chain stretched to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and on to Washington, D.C. The Mob’s influence ran deeper than Gene realized. Even the Permanent U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Organized Crime warned in the 1970s that Mafia influence could migrate from major urban centers to smaller towns and cities that were easier to control. The Mob had fled the city to the rural wilderness to pursue its criminal activities. Gene’s involvement in the assisnation plot grew stranger. Each time Gene came to Cleveland and met with various mob members to investigate the plot, mob leaders, who thought he was a contract killer, gave him free rein to plan. While mob leaders Gene met with made veiled references to the Kucinich plot, none of them ever discussed it openly. Gene made two more trips to Cleveland and made one to West Virginia to discuss the assassination plot. To make his image as a successful contract hit man believable, he drove a expensive late model car and wore expensive clothing. He wanted to project success and fooled them into believing he could do the job. While the amateurs he’d dealt with before wanted to make the plans for each contract killing, the Mafia members let him plan he wanted to do. Cleveland Mafia leaders let Gene do the planning Gene bounced some assassination scenarios off them trying get their reactions They made Gene nervous, he’d never had dealings with real criminals and to protect himself. He couldn’t conduct any business until mob leaders approved of them. Gene wore a wire 24/7 to reecord his conversations with mob membeeers to protect imself. Dealing with professionals was a different game from dealing with amateurs. One slip in his cover he’d be killed. Every meet Gene had with the Cleveland Mafia became more dangerous. Always the hustler, Tommy Sinito ran interence between Gene and mob leaders, balanced both sides. During every meeeting Gene had with the mob, Sinito listened to both sides and tried to accomplish what the Cleveland Mob had given him orders to do. Gene grew more terrified sfter each meeting he had with Cleveland’s Mob leaders. Their professional behavior worried him, Gene played along to complete his investigation. To protect himself Gene traveled from Matyland to Cleveland with six other undercover policemen. Nothing resulted from the Mob’s assisnation plot, it fizzled out after Dennis lost the 1979 mayoral election. Gene returned home to Maryland. Case closed. In 1984 the 1978 Dennis Kucinich plot would result in a probe into the Cleveland Mafia’s part in the assisnation plot.

I just wanted to give this topic a bump, as it has received only 9 views to date. This disclosure is very important, in fact I'm surprised that a lot more fuss was not made of it on the forum. This $60 billion accounts for the funding received via the tax payer, but this figure is likely to grow by a huge amount when the drug trade is taken into account. Is this figure included in the military budget or is it undisclosed as a seperate matter? I would assume that military intelligence and the CIA draw cash from different pots.

Now, lets dispense with the insults and get back to discussing the merits of the petition and the Tom Hanks produced series. I don't care who started it, Yours, The babysitter. Edit: Tongue firmly in cheeck on this one guys, sarcasm doesn't work well in typed form.

I feel no need to "amaze" you. I feel no need to present FACTUAL information to you. You've already proven your propensity to ignore any and all facts that don't suit your theory. I feel no need to join you in your own personal rabbit hole. you're also dead wrong, Hogan! As you've proved yourself to be on numerous occasions.... the minimum fee to sign the petition is $2US.... so please, AMAZE us! Cordially your's, David G. Healy p.s. not much anyone can do to impress a tree stump David, As Michael says, read my previous post. By getting to the donation page you have already regitered your signature. The suggested donation is for the ipetition website to keep it going, as it is a free service. You do NOT have to pay to sign the petition. If you check the list if signatures you will see yours there. 237 David Healy The time and money would be better spent creating a International Political Assassination Studies Group. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/jfklancer/signatures.html Lancer gets no money from this petition

Thomas, You may wish to check the petition before accusing someone of profiteering. The website in question, ipetitions, asks people to make a donation to that site following their signature of a petition. Sign any of the thousands of petitions hosted on that site and you will be asked the same. You are NOT required to pay to sign the petition. John

This is quite a shocking video of a plot to kill Conngressman Dennis Kucinich while mayor of Cleveland. Kucinich is running for the democratic nomination for president. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20sRFPAbDQw Kucinich's website www.kucinich.us

Was it not Andrew Marr who took Peter Jennings place in the BBC version of the latest lone nut proponent documentary? John

Channel four (UK) is hosting something called The Iraq Commission at the moment, they interview witnesses and experts. The testimony is available online here, http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/I/...p=homepage_box2 Here is a summary of the commission Britain stands at a crossroads. With a change of Government leadership this summer, there is a unique opportunity to examine the future of our commitment in Iraq. The Foreign Policy Centre (FPC), in partnership with Channel 4, has facilitated a UK Iraq Commission – the British equivalent of the US Iraq Study Group. The Iraq Commission is an independent, cross-party Commission that will produce recommendations on the future of Britain's role in Iraq. Full remit It is jointly Chaired by Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon, Baroness Jay of Paddington and Lord King of Bridgwater. The Chairs will be supported by nine Commissioners. The Commission will examine all possible options for Britain's future role in Iraq and will consider evidence from a wide range of viewpoints. The Final Report will be delivered to the incoming Prime Minister and the leaders of the main political parties. Make a Submission Lord Ashdown said, "One of the greatest international challenges of our time is bringing peace and security to Iraq. It is both in Britain’s national interest, and a moral obligation, that a way forward is found for Iraq and its people." Baroness Jay said, "The Iraq Commission aims to produce a long term strategy for Britain’s role in Iraq – this will incorporate the challenges of reconstruction, rebuilding and humanitarian relief efforts, as well as security for the Iraqi people and British troops." Lord King said, "The current situation threatens the stability of the region, and has major implications for the world as a whole. It is up to policy makers on all sides to consider how best to help resolve it, and enhance the security of Iraq itself and the region."

I trust the meeting went well today. An interview with David Talbot was featured in the magazine section of the Irish Times yesterday, which was particularly favorable. Brothers in Arms by Anna Mundow http://www.ireland.com/ Newly released government documents and more than 150 interviews with administration officials, friends and family members provide the nucleus for David Talbot's reinterpretation of the Kennedy presidency, writes Anna Mundow Even a nation afflicted with amnesia cannot forget the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963, and this summer two new books testify to the crime's enduring fascination in the US. The first, Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi, is hardly beach reading. More than 1,600 pages long and filled with enough autopsy photographs to satisfy the grisliest connoisseur, Bugliosi's detail-ridden doorstop concludes that Oswald did it, a verdict that has generally pleased American commentators. David Talbot's Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years has, by contrast, drawn fire from critics on all sides. "What's getting people riled up is not so much my view on the assassination as my reinterpretation of the Kennedy presidency," Talbot says. "Both the left and the right - for very different reasons - want to see Kennedy as a Cold War hawk." Talbot offers a more subversive judgment: that John F Kennedy talked tough to get elected president, but while in office he wanted to halt the US policy of massive nuclear retaliation, to establish a detente with leaders of the Soviet Union, even with Cuba and - had he been re-elected in 1964 - to withdraw American forces from Vietnam. "At the end of his motorcade that day in Dallas, he was going to tell the people of Texas that peace is not weakness," Talbot recalls. "So who benefited from his death? In general terms, the forces that General Eisenhower warned us about: the military-industrial complex." Specifically, Talbot identifies a mainly CIA plot executed by Mafia/anti-Castro Cuban operatives. Nothing new there, you might say. Nothing that Oliver Stone in his movie JFK, Don DeLillo in his novel Libra and numerous historians and conspiracy theorists have not already posited. Talbot, however, draws on newly released government documents and more than 150 interviews with Kennedy administration officials, friends and family members. He also constructs his narrative around a central yet often overlooked character in the operatic tragedy: Robert Kennedy, Jack's attorney general and fierce defender. "Bobby publicly accepted the Warren Commission's report [ which endorsed the lone-gunman theory]. But privately he was a man on fire to get to the bottom of the crime. A week after the funeral he told his family that it was a high-level plot involving elements of the government. But he said we can't do anything until we get back to the White House." Robert Kennedy was arguably on his way to the White House, as president, when he was assassinated in California in 1968. Talbot was 16 years old and a volunteer in Robert Kennedy's campaign in California when the candidate was killed. Speaking today from his home in San Francisco, he admits that as a youth he was "completely taken by the Kennedy dream" but that later, as a leftist, he was equally influenced by "the anti-Kennedy backlash". Talbot became a journalist, worked as a senior editor for Mother Jones magazine, as features editor for the San Francisco Examiner and wrote for the New Yorker, Rolling Stone and other publications before founding and editing Salon.com. He is easy-going, charming and self-deprecating but not naive. "I didn't set out to redeem the Kennedys," he says. "I was really more interested in the assassination and in what Bobby Kennedy thought. But my research exposed an inescapable fact. I was 11 years old at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis. I'm only here today because Kennedy had the guts and the intelligence to stand up to these people. And tapes show that he was often the only person in the room doing it. His entire national-security staff was pushing him to nuclear war, and he held the line." Brothers opens on the afternoon of November 22nd, 1963, as Robert Kennedy, at home in Virginia, hears of the president's assassination from J Edgar Hoover, the FBI chief, who hated both brothers and seemed to relish delivering the news. Kennedy first called federal marshals to secure his home, then immediately began to demand information, calling his Cuban anti-Castro contacts and even CIA headquarters. "Did your outfit have anything to do with this horror?" he roared at a CIA officer who has never been identified. "It's very tribal," Talbot comments of the circle that Kennedy drew around him that day. "He didn't get the Secret Service or the FBI to surround his home - remember, some of his aides think they're coming for him next. He got one of his Irish comrades, Jim McShane, and his federal marshals." Kennedy subsequently took possession of medical evidence (brain and tissue samples) from the autopsy; secretly visited Mexico where Oswald had travelled before the assassination (during the trip Kennedy himself was under surveillance by the CIA); and met with his arch-enemy, Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa, whose associates had Jack Ruby on their payroll. Kennedy was, Talbot insists, collecting evidence for an investigation that would have to wait. "He knew he didn't have the power once Jack was gone. Hoover hated him. Johnson hated him. Hoover was in charge of the investigation into Dallas. So Bobby followed his own leads." Those leads, according to Talbot, reached back to the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961, when President Kennedy enraged his military and intelligence commanders by refusing to commit US forces to a full-fledged invasion of Cuba. (US attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro, however, continued.) "At that point I believe the government cracked," Talbot reflects. "The president's military and security forces perceived him as weak, not to be trusted, while Kennedy vowed to shatter the CIA. The Kennedys were at war with their own national-security apparatus; there is no way to avoid that conclusion when you do any first-hand research." Talbot interviewed some of Kennedy's most trusted advisers, among them Ted Sorensen, Arthur Schlesinger jnr and Robert McNamara, the secretary of defence who, under President Johnson, carried out the destruction of Vietnam. "As soon as the Kennedys were removed, the generals got their war. Johnson gave them Vietnam. And that wouldn't have happened under JFK. I don't care how historians quibble. It is absolutely clear that he was going to withdraw from Vietnam - after the 1964 election, of course. He was discussing the withdrawal with McNamara and others." In the early 1970s Sorensen told the Church Committee investigating the Dallas assassination that "Jack Kennedy was not in charge of his national-security apparatus". Last year Schlesinger told Talbot: "We were not in charge of the joint chiefs of staff either." Talbot describes Schlesinger's revelation as "the most chilling thing I've ever heard", particularly when he contemplates someone such as General Curtis LeMay (the model for General Jack D Ripper in the movie Dr Strangelove), who wanted to launch a nuclear war against the Soviet Union "sooner rather than later". The Kennedys did not rise to power by underestimating their enemies, and Talbot notes that in 1962, when the US army appeared likely to mutiny rather than enforce racial integration at the University of Mississippi, Jack Kennedy persuaded his friend John Frankenheimer, the Hollywood director, to make Seven Days in May as a warning to the American public and possibly as a "shot across the bows" of his own security forces. (In the film, US military leaders plot to overthrow the president because he supports a nuclear-disarmament treaty.) Later, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Robert Kennedy, representing his brother in back channel communications with Soviet representatives, reportedly declared that "the president is not sure that the military will not overthrow him and seize power. The American army is out of control". The source for that quote is Nikita Khrushchev's memoir, but for dramatic effect Talbot relies chiefly on the words of those he interviewed and those who testified before the Church Committee and the house select committee on assassinations during the 1970s. "The last time the government shed light on Dallas was during the post-Watergate period with those committees," Talbot observes, "and they were looking at the intelligence and security forces." Those forces remain vigilant. This summer the CIA will go to court to prevent the Washington Post journalist Jefferson Morley from gaining access to documents thought to be relevant to both Kennedy assassinations. "From Dallas to Vietnam to Iraq," Talbot writes, "the truth has consistently been avoided . . . When the nation has mustered the courage to impanel commissions, those investigations soon come up against locked doors that remain firmly shut to this day. The stage for this reign of secrecy was set on November 22nd, 1963. The lesson of Dallas was clear. If a president can be shot down with impunity at high noon in the sunny streets of an American city, then any kind of deceit is possible." Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, by David Talbot, is published by Simon & Schuster, £20 in UK

I caught most of the RFK documentary, I had seen it before. It was quite a moving biography of RFK from 1960 until his death. As for 'Oswalds Ghost', it wasn't much use. It tried to depict Mark Lane as the creator of the JFK assassination conspiracy theory and just sought to knock down his reputation. There was a lot of good footage that I had not seen before though. I kept one eye on it as I typed. John