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Im fairly new around here, 17 years old, have a great interest in the case. I was wondering what other people thought regarding who were the shooters, and where they were located. There are alot of bright people here who have investigated the case alot longer than I have, that is why I would like your opinion.

IMO, Files was on the grassy knoll.

2-3 people (not Oswald) were in the TSBD. I have heard a description of a short, heavy set, dark skinned man. Anyone fit that profile?

Roselli and Nicoletti in Dal Tex.

Someone shot from the south knoll IMO, the throat shot.

Alot of names have floated around about being possible shooters, Harrelson, Wallace, Martino, Giancana, Lawrence, White, etc.

If you have proof that in your opinion puts somwhere or something in a location, please post it.

Thanks!

Drew

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The CIA had been infiltrated by KGB officers. I exposed them in 1984 and it was never made public, although I am working on publicizing it now.

Two of the KGB officers and a double agent (a CIA officers who was working for the other side) were the shooters. At least two of them shot from the front because Kennedy was struck twice from the front.

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I am told the following were involved:

TSBD:

Herminio Diaz Garcia (shooter)

Tony Cuesta (spotter)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgarciaH.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcuesto.htm

DAL-TEX:

Virgilio Gonzalez (shooter)

Eugenio Martinez (spotter)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgonzalezV.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmartinez.htm

ELM STREET:

Felipe Vidal Santiago (Cuban Man)

Roy Hargraves (The Umbrella Man)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsantiago.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhargraves.htm

BEHIND FENCE:

Steve Wilson (shooter)

Dick Whatley (spotter)

Ed Collins (radio)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwilsonS.htm

CORNER OF MAIN AND HOUSTON

Gerry Hemming

Rip Robertson

David Morales

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhemming.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrobertsonW.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm

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I am told  the following were involved:

TSBD:

Herminio Diaz Garcia (shooter)

Tony Cuesta (spotter)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgarciaH.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcuesto.htm

DAL-TEX:

Virgilio Gonzalez (shooter)

Eugenio Martinez (spotter)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgonzalezV.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmartinez.htm

ELM STREET:

Felipe Vidal Santiago (Cuban Man)

Roy Hargraves (The Umbrella Man)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsantiago.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhargraves.htm

BEHIND FENCE:

Steve Wilson (shooter)

Dick Whatley (spotter)

Ed Collins (radio)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwilsonS.htm

CORNER OF MAIN AND HOUSTON

Gerry Hemming

Rip Robertson

David Morales

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhemming.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrobertsonW.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm

If all of the IDs of James Richards are correct,

it further solidifies the participation of Eduardo

(Hunt)(Knight) and Maurice (Phillips)(Bishop) who

were heavily involved in the recruitment of

Cubans.

Jack

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Jack,

The other thing about that list of possible participants is that there is barely a degree of separation between them all. If Morales is handed the operational duties for the assassination, he would be wise to employ cutouts. Men he knows and who can deliver the teams to get the job done. Men like John Roselli, Bernardo De Torres, John Adrian O'Hare (Col Bishop to his friends), maybe John Martino, maybe Eddie Perez.

I would love to know the intimate details and nuances in the relationship between the two Davids, Phillips and Morales. I think a lot of the questions we all have could be answered right there.

James

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Jack,

The other thing about that list of possible participants is that there is barely a degree of separation between them all. If Morales is handed the operational duties for the assassination, he would be wise to employ cutouts. Men he knows and who can deliver the teams to get the job done. Men like John Roselli, Bernardo De Torres, John Adrian O'Hare (Col Bishop to his friends), maybe John Martino, maybe Eddie Perez.

I would love to know the intimate details and nuances in the relationship between the two Davids, Phillips and Morales. I think a lot of the questions we all have could be answered right there.

James

two tours in Detroit Homicide taught me the why would tell you the who. I doubt any of us have ever heard of the actual shooters and they were probably back in Vietnam, dead, or on another continent within hrs. Was the Agency involved at some level? probably, but people need to understand the people on the sharp end of the stick were relatively unimportant. they were there because they could shoot not because they could have been arrested by happenstance and tracked back to CIA.

having worked some admitedly less complicated murder conspirarcy cases, I've found the shooters are one of the least important links in the chain.

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QUOTE(James Richards @ Jul 15 2004, 03:56 AM)

Jack,

The other thing about that list of possible participants is that there is barely a degree of separation between them all. If Morales is handed the operational duties for the assassination, he would be wise to employ cutouts. Men he knows and who can deliver the teams to get the job done. Men like John Roselli, Bernardo De Torres, John Adrian O'Hare (Col Bishop to his friends), maybe John Martino, maybe Eddie Perez.

I would love to know the intimate details and nuances in the relationship between the two Davids, Phillips and Morales. I think a lot of the questions we all have could be answered right there.

James

two tours in Detroit Homicide taught me the why would tell you the who. I doubt any of us have ever heard of the actual shooters and they were probably back in Vietnam, dead, or on another continent within hrs. Was the Agency involved at some level? probably, but people need to understand the people on the sharp end of the stick were relatively unimportant. they were there because they could shoot not because they could have been arrested by happenstance and tracked back to CIA.

having worked some admitedly less complicated murder conspirarcy cases, I've found the shooters are one of the least important links in the chain.

Mr. Marshall,

I would agree with your position that shooters are less important, but wouldn't you say that it is nevertheless important that the shooters/triggermen be tried and convicted as well? Although we'd all prefer to see the plotters tried and convicted, if we had to choose.

Perhaps finding out the identities of one group will lead us to the other, no?

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Drew, I have no idea of the names of the individual shooters, but my best guess, highly trained snipers conected to Genneral E Walker and through Walker to members of the JCS, and Dulles. The shooters were probably ex soldiers, who became members of the minutemen or JBS. And they in all probability didnt see the sun rise on another day. I also believe that Ed Lansdale, and Brig Gen Craig were highly involved in putting the plot together. FWIW, Steve.

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Drew, I have no idea of the names of the individual shooters, but my best guess, highly trained snipers conected to Genneral E Walker and through Walker to members of the JCS, and Dulles. The shooters were probably ex soldiers, who became members of the minutemen or JBS. And they in all probability didnt see the sun rise on another day. I also believe that Ed Lansdale, and Brig Gen Craig were highly involved in putting the plot together. FWIW, Steve.

Antii-they would not have known who hired them and certainly not their real names. there would have been no way to connect them to the sponsor and zealots are often great patsies but poor triggermen.

worked with a guy while a contract trainer for the Feds-he was retired Agency and while not involved in JMWave he said there were alot of people who honestly thought they were working for the agency who in fact worked for the Mob in Miami.

again, I thik the why will id the who-worked two Mafia hits and while we never id'd the trigger men we were able to id the sponsor's though no one would testify against them.

I worry that the folks who did this keep sending us off to chase our own tails. I just don't think the Mob had the horsepower to control the investigations and the AGENCY AS A WHOLE was not involved though remember people are routinely "sheep dipped" and people like Harry Holmes continue to intrigue me.

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I am told the following were involved:

TSBD:

Herminio Diaz Garcia (shooter)

Tony Cuesta (spotter)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgarciaH.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcuesto.htm

DAL-TEX:

Virgilio Gonzalez (shooter)

Eugenio Martinez (spotter)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgonzalezV.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmartinez.htm

ELM STREET:

Felipe Vidal Santiago (Cuban Man)

Roy Hargraves (The Umbrella Man)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsantiago.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhargraves.htm

BEHIND FENCE:

Steve Wilson (shooter)

Dick Whatley (spotter)

Ed Collins (radio)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwilsonS.htm

CORNER OF MAIN AND HOUSTON

Gerry Hemming

Rip Robertson

David Morales

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhemming.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrobertsonW.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm

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Purely speculation on my part, but according to the major wounds on the body, the ones that disabled JFK, setting him up for the head shot, Hemming and/or Robertson from Houston and Main, and Wilson on the Grassy Knoll, dealing the final, fatal blow.

The fleshette, that entered the throat area, between the cricoid cartilage and the suprasternal notch, if it was indeed a fleshette melting upon being exposed to 98.6 degree body temperature, and purported to have had poisonous or paralysis capabilities, would have come from Santiago or Hargraves, with the umbrella not so much as the firing device, but as a distractive diversionary tactic for the deployment of the fleshette by a smaller caliber [as witnessed by the size of the wound, and described by the Parkland physicians], weapon.

Terry Mauro replying from Dawn Meredith's rig.

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I am told the following were involved:

TSBD:

Herminio Diaz Garcia (shooter)

Tony Cuesta (spotter)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgarciaH.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcuesto.htm

DAL-TEX:

Virgilio Gonzalez (shooter)

Eugenio Martinez (spotter)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgonzalezV.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmartinez.htm

ELM STREET:

Felipe Vidal Santiago (Cuban Man)

Roy Hargraves (The Umbrella Man)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsantiago.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhargraves.htm

BEHIND FENCE:

Steve Wilson (shooter)

Dick Whatley (spotter)

Ed Collins (radio)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwilsonS.htm

CORNER OF MAIN AND HOUSTON

Gerry Hemming

Rip Robertson

David Morales

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhemming.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrobertsonW.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm

***************************************************************

Purely speculation on my part, but according to the major wounds on the body, the ones that disabled JFK, setting him up for the head shot, Hemming and/or Robertson from Houston and Main, and Wilson on the Grassy Knoll, dealing the final, fatal blow.

The fleshette, that entered the throat area, between the cricoid cartilage and the suprasternal notch, if it was indeed a fleshette melting upon being exposed to 98.6 degree body temperature, and purported to have had poisonous or paralysis capabilities, would have come from Santiago or Hargraves, with the umbrella not so much as the firing device, but as a distractive diversionary tactic for the deployment of the fleshette by a smaller caliber [as witnessed by the size of the wound, and described by the Parkland physicians], weapon.

Terry Mauro replying from Dawn Meredith's rig.

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Now I'm logged on under my own name. Just so it doesn't lead folks to think that I'm speaking on behalf of Dawnie.

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Guest Stephen Turner

The CIA had been infiltrated by KGB officers.

:D Well, ayup. And vice-versa. Since the two agencies worked for the same international commercial interests, it wasn't terribly difficult to exchange personnel and information.

Ashton Gray

Ashton takes down his rifle, draws a bead, and scores a bullseye. As Ginsburg said.

"The CIA, and the KGB keep each others secrets."

"One mind, brute force, and full of money"

HADDA BEEN PLAYING ON A JUKEBOX...

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The CIA had been infiltrated by KGB officers. I exposed them in 1984 and it was never made public, although I am working on publicizing it now.

Two of the KGB officers and a double agent (a CIA officers who was working for the other side) were the shooters. At least two of them shot from the front because Kennedy was struck twice from the front.

Anthony,

You've got to be joking.

So when Ruby killed Oswald, was he acting on behalf of the KGB?

FWIW, I think the shooting teams were shipped in from Europe, probably France--freelance mercenaries, the best of the best, their contracts brokered by Mossad and underwritten by wealthy domestic parties---Texas oilmen spring to mind, and maybe a media baron or two. The Joint Chiefs gave the plan their approval and best wishes and they 'helped out' with the autopsy. :D

The photographic record of DP incriminates Rip Robertson and some of the Interpen guys but, eternal skeptic that I am, I suspect none of them were members of the shooting teams. Of course it's nearly certain that they knew something was afoot, which would make them accessaries. I speculate that the real experts were whisked in a few days before the hit and disappeared from the scene (and the photographic record) almost instantly.

When it comes to suspicious individuals, it seems that almost every man and his dog was in Dealey Plaza that day. A useful ploy for blurring the picture and spreading confusion.

If any of the assassins were photographed, they were just 'faded' from view. The whole show was a magic trick, after all.

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The CIA had been infiltrated by KGB officers. I exposed them in 1984 and it was never made public, although I am working on publicizing it now.

Two of the KGB officers and a double agent (a CIA officers who was working for the other side) were the shooters. At least two of them shot from the front because Kennedy was struck twice from the front.

Anthony,

You've got to be joking.

So when Ruby killed Oswald, was he acting on behalf of the KGB?

FWIW, I think the shooting teams were shipped in from Europe, probably France--freelance mercenaries, the best of the best, their contracts brokered by Mossad and underwritten by wealthy domestic parties---Texas oilmen spring to mind, and maybe a media baron or two. The Joint Chiefs gave the plan their approval and best wishes and they 'helped out' with the autopsy. :D

The photographic record of DP incriminates Rip Robertson and some of the Interpen guys but, eternal skeptic that I am, I suspect none of them were members of the shooting teams. Of course it's nearly certain that they knew something was afoot, which would make them accessaries. I speculate that the real experts were whisked in a few days before the hit and disappeared from the scene (and the photographic record) almost instantly.

When it comes to suspicious individuals, it seems that almost every man and his dog was in Dealey Plaza that day. A useful ploy for blurring the picture and spreading confusion.

If any of the assassins were photographed, they were just 'faded' from view. The whole show was a magic trick, after all.

Kruschev alledeglly commented that the US and USSR ought to combine their intelligence agencies since they were both paying the same people anyway.

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