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Part Nine: Acting as part summary (thus, some repetition from prior parts) and part loose ends collection (new stuff), Vince Palamara catalogues some more very interesting "official" and unofficial Secret Service items of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ItmBueOcac

Part Eight: Vince Palamara explores "official" history as portrayed in pre and post assassination (kids/ adults) books, as well as other interesting loose ends (including photographs and correspondence):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZQghKDgaZ8

Part Seven: JFK, Marilyn Monroe...and FLOYD BORING?!?!? Also, Thomas Shipman, the agent who passed a way a few short weeks before Dallas [10/14/63, to be exact: "heart attack" at Camp David...](and who could have been JFK's driver instead of the inept Greer) is discussed (twice), among many other items of interest (including Secret Service Agent Wade Rodham, HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON'S UNCLE!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seS32H_tFy4

Part Six: Vince Palamara discusses Secret Service agent Emory Roberts and the whole "official history" issue of JFK allegedly being difficult to protect and even allegedly ordering the agents off the back of his limousine, among other things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6Z_njSD9U

Part Five: What President Lyndon Johnson thought of the inept ASAIC (number three man; on the Texas trip; riding in the limousine) Roy H. Kellerman: ouch!!!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72uLzSwh7oU

Part Four: Vince Palamara notes quite a few of the more interesting and valuable Secret Service (JFK) related books, dvds, and videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9T2SF-QA2I

Part Three: Vince Palamara explores the role of ASAIC (number two man of the Secret Service White House Detail) Floyd M. Boring in the planning of JFK's fatal trip to Texas, among other things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slacowH_aUk

Part Two: Vince Palamara explores many interesting and rare JFK/ Secret Service related photographs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCMBioLcQiY

Part One: the strange presence of PRS Secret Service employees Glen A. Bennett and the heretofore virtually unknown Howard K. Norton on President Kennedy's fatal trip to the Lone Star State, as well as in Florida (and, in Bennett's case at least, New York) in November 1963:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCVkf9ScsB8

Vince Palamara

http://www.google.com/profiles/vincepalamara

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n1.html

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n2.html

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The most important man in the Secret Service on November 22, 1963 was the Special Agent in Charge of the New Orleans office John W. Rice, who was never questioned about what his role was in the investigation of the assassination and may still be alive.

Any information about him at all would be appreciated, but we've gone over every other Secret Agent a hundred times and we know nothing about the only one who really matters - John W. Rice.

Where was he from?

Where did he go to school?

How did he get into the Secret Service?

How did he get such an important position as SAIC of NO while so young?

Who was the John W. Martin he was sent to investigate at 1 pm on 11/22/63?

Why was John W. Rice, SAIC of the NO SS office in the office of the Special Investigations office of the US AFB at Schrieveport, La. when the assassination took place?

What became of the official records of Adele Edisen's telephone contacts with him before the assassination and the interview records after the assassination?

Was John W. Rice, SAIC of NO with the FBI liason with the SS Orrin Bartlett interviewing Adele Edisen in New Orleans at the time Ruby killed Oswald and what became of those records?

Did Rice and Bartlett fly in a private plane from New Orleans to Dallas that afternoon, and if so, what became of those records?

Since John W. Rice, SAIC NO SS was responsible for all aspects of the Secret Service investigations in New Orleans, why wasn't he questioned by the WC, HSCA or ARRB, and what became of him?

Is he still alive?

Why is no one else interested in locating him and interviewing him, or finding out where he came from and what happened to him?

Thanks to anyone else who is interested in this person and for trying to answer any of these questions,

Bill Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/

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Bill,

John W. Rice has been dead for a minimum of 6 years and 4 months. This is his sister, Mary's obit. It is authentic because it describes the first names of Mary's nieces, who my research matches as secret service agent John Rice's' two daughters, described in a April 16, 1959 El Paso Herald Post newspaper column titled, "Talk of the Town".

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=+51...1&scoring=a

Fort Worth Star-Telegram : Obituaries

- Fort Worth Star-Telegram - NewsBank - Jul 9, 2003

Mary was preceded in death by her husband of 51 years, Ollie James Smith; daughter, Marilyn Sue Smith; and brother, John W. Rice...

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=ric...n&scoring=a

Fort Worth Star-Telegram : Obituaries

- Fort Worth Star-Telegram - NewsBank - Jul 9, 2003

Mary was born March 23, 1918, in Lubbock, to John and Lucille Rice. She was a loving and devoted mother and grandmother,....

1930 Census page (Line 76 - Family of four, father "Johnie H" is head of household)

4052007675_520127273c_b.jpg

John W. Rice is listed as 15 years old, so approx. DOB is 1915:

John RICE

Birth Date: 1 Jan 1915

Death Date: Apr 1991

Social Security Number: 453-09-7564

State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas

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Thanks Tom,

If he has two daughters, maybe they can answer some of the questions.

It would also be nice if there was an obit for JWR.

BK

Bill,

John W. Rice has been dead for a minimum of 6 years and 4 months. This is his sister, Mary's obit. It is authentic because it describes the first names of Mary's nieces, who my research matches as secret service agent John Rice's' two daughters, described in a April 16, 1959 El Paso Herald Post newspaper column titled, "Talk of the Town".

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=+51...1&scoring=a

Fort Worth Star-Telegram : Obituaries

- Fort Worth Star-Telegram - NewsBank - Jul 9, 2003

Mary was preceded in death by her husband of 51 years, Ollie James Smith; daughter, Marilyn Sue Smith; and brother, John W. Rice...

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=ric...n&scoring=a

Fort Worth Star-Telegram : Obituaries

- Fort Worth Star-Telegram - NewsBank - Jul 9, 2003

Mary was born March 23, 1918, in Lubbock, to John and Lucille Rice. She was a loving and devoted mother and grandmother,....

1930 Census page (Line 76 - Family of four, father "Johnie H" is head of household)

4052007675_520127273c_b.jpg

John W. Rice is listed as 15 years old, so approx. DOB is 1915:

John RICE

Birth Date: 1 Jan 1915

Death Date: Apr 1991

Social Security Number: 453-09-7564

State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas

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The "Secret" Service were not so secret that day.

The photos, the videos, the witness testimony clearly show that they were not supposed to protect Kennedy that day.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool , or part of the cover up.

I thought this was pretty compelling, in addition to Secret Service Agent Thomas Shipman, who is listed, all these other people died no doubt within 72-96 hours of each other.

Pretty interesting list.

Chicago Tribune (IL) - October 15, 1963

Deaths Elsewhere

Deceased Name: Thomas B. Shipman

Thomas B. Shipman, 51, special secret service agent who occasionally drove President Kennedy's limousine and more frequently was assigned as driver of the carload of secret service agents directly behind the President; in his sleep at Camp David, Md.

Robert H, Gordon, 60, who directed numerous Broadway shows, including "Call Me Mister," and in World War II headed the theater department of U. S. O., producing 60 plays for serviceman; in Detroit.

H. R. [bud] Ekins, 62, editor and publisher of the Schenectady, N. Y., Union-Star and former foreign correspondent of the United Press, who was expelled from Italy by Benito Mussolini in 1939; in his office in Schenectady.

James K. Knutson, 57 a member of the Interstate Commerce commission from 1950 to 1954 and head of the National Defense Transportation commission from 1950 to 1958; of cancer, in Washington.

David Kleckner, 67, restaurateur who operated "Dave's Blue Room" in New York City from 1922 to 1943 and a restaurant of the same name in Hollywood from 1943 to 1948; after a heart attack, in Los Angeles.

J. Berton Carnett, 49, of Philadelphia, president of an insurance company bearing his name and a former president of the Savoy Opera company there; in Philadelphia.

Mrs. Elizabeth Walsh Long, 57, niece of the late Sen. Thomas J. Walsh [D., Mont.] and wife of Augustus C. Long, chairman of the board of Texaco, Inc.; in New York City.

Edmund W. Madden, 62, vice president of the Manufacturers Hanover Trust company in charge of its Brooklyn branches; in New York City.

Raymond C. Kratz, 76, veteran member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives; in Philadelphia.

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The "Secret" Service were not so secret that day.

The photos, the videos, the witness testimony clearly show that they were not supposed to protect Kennedy that day.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool , or part of the cover up.

I thought this was pretty compelling, in addition to Secret Service Agent Thomas Shipman, who is listed, all these other people died no doubt within 72-96 hours of each other.

Pretty interesting list.

Chicago Tribune (IL) - October 15, 1963

Deaths Elsewhere

Deceased Name: Thomas B. Shipman

Thomas B. Shipman, 51, special secret service agent who occasionally drove President Kennedy's limousine and more frequently was assigned as driver of the carload of secret service agents directly behind the President; in his sleep at Camp David, Md.

Robert H, Gordon, 60, who directed numerous Broadway shows, including "Call Me Mister," and in World War II headed the theater department of U. S. O., producing 60 plays for serviceman; in Detroit.

H. R. [bud] Ekins, 62, editor and publisher of the Schenectady, N. Y., Union-Star and former foreign correspondent of the United Press, who was expelled from Italy by Benito Mussolini in 1939; in his office in Schenectady.

James K. Knutson, 57 a member of the Interstate Commerce commission from 1950 to 1954 and head of the National Defense Transportation commission from 1950 to 1958; of cancer, in Washington.

David Kleckner, 67, restaurateur who operated "Dave's Blue Room" in New York City from 1922 to 1943 and a restaurant of the same name in Hollywood from 1943 to 1948; after a heart attack, in Los Angeles.

J. Berton Carnett, 49, of Philadelphia, president of an insurance company bearing his name and a former president of the Savoy Opera company there; in Philadelphia.

Mrs. Elizabeth Walsh Long, 57, niece of the late Sen. Thomas J. Walsh [D., Mont.] and wife of Augustus C. Long, chairman of the board of Texaco, Inc.; in New York City.

Edmund W. Madden, 62, vice president of the Manufacturers Hanover Trust company in charge of its Brooklyn branches; in New York City.

Raymond C. Kratz, 76, veteran member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives; in Philadelphia.

I'm confused. Are these people supposed to have been killed? How are they related to the assassination?

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The "Secret" Service were not so secret that day.

The photos, the videos, the witness testimony clearly show that they were not supposed to protect Kennedy that day.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool , or part of the cover up.

I thought this was pretty compelling, in addition to Secret Service Agent Thomas Shipman, who is listed, all these other people died no doubt within 72-96 hours of each other.

Pretty interesting list.

Chicago Tribune (IL) - October 15, 1963

Deaths Elsewhere

Deceased Name: Thomas B. Shipman

Thomas B. Shipman, 51, special secret service agent who occasionally drove President Kennedy's limousine and more frequently was assigned as driver of the carload of secret service agents directly behind the President; in his sleep at Camp David, Md.

Robert H, Gordon, 60, who directed numerous Broadway shows, including "Call Me Mister," and in World War II headed the theater department of U. S. O., producing 60 plays for serviceman; in Detroit.

H. R. [bud] Ekins, 62, editor and publisher of the Schenectady, N. Y., Union-Star and former foreign correspondent of the United Press, who was expelled from Italy by Benito Mussolini in 1939; in his office in Schenectady.

James K. Knutson, 57 a member of the Interstate Commerce commission from 1950 to 1954 and head of the National Defense Transportation commission from 1950 to 1958; of cancer, in Washington.

David Kleckner, 67, restaurateur who operated "Dave's Blue Room" in New York City from 1922 to 1943 and a restaurant of the same name in Hollywood from 1943 to 1948; after a heart attack, in Los Angeles.

J. Berton Carnett, 49, of Philadelphia, president of an insurance company bearing his name and a former president of the Savoy Opera company there; in Philadelphia.

Mrs. Elizabeth Walsh Long, 57, niece of the late Sen. Thomas J. Walsh [D., Mont.] and wife of Augustus C. Long, chairman of the board of Texaco, Inc.; in New York City.

Edmund W. Madden, 62, vice president of the Manufacturers Hanover Trust company in charge of its Brooklyn branches; in New York City.

Raymond C. Kratz, 76, veteran member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives; in Philadelphia.

I'm confused. Are these people supposed to have been killed? How are they related to the assassination?

Their obituaries all appeared in the Chicago Tribune on October 15, 1963, whether they were all residents of the Windy City,

or a mixture of some in Chicago and some in other cities, I cannot say, but all of the obituaries appeared in the Chicago Tribune

for October 15, 1963. As to their cause of death I would not have any more idea of that, than anyone else reading this.

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The "Secret" Service were not so secret that day.

The photos, the videos, the witness testimony clearly show that they were not supposed to protect Kennedy that day.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool , or part of the cover up.

I thought this was pretty compelling, in addition to Secret Service Agent Thomas Shipman, who is listed, all these other people died no doubt within 72-96 hours of each other.

Pretty interesting list.

Chicago Tribune (IL) - October 15, 1963

Deaths Elsewhere

Deceased Name: Thomas B. Shipman

Thomas B. Shipman, 51, special secret service agent who occasionally drove President Kennedy's limousine and more frequently was assigned as driver of the carload of secret service agents directly behind the President; in his sleep at Camp David, Md.

Robert H, Gordon, 60, who directed numerous Broadway shows, including "Call Me Mister," and in World War II headed the theater department of U. S. O., producing 60 plays for serviceman; in Detroit.

H. R. [bud] Ekins, 62, editor and publisher of the Schenectady, N. Y., Union-Star and former foreign correspondent of the United Press, who was expelled from Italy by Benito Mussolini in 1939; in his office in Schenectady.

James K. Knutson, 57 a member of the Interstate Commerce commission from 1950 to 1954 and head of the National Defense Transportation commission from 1950 to 1958; of cancer, in Washington.

David Kleckner, 67, restaurateur who operated "Dave's Blue Room" in New York City from 1922 to 1943 and a restaurant of the same name in Hollywood from 1943 to 1948; after a heart attack, in Los Angeles.

J. Berton Carnett, 49, of Philadelphia, president of an insurance company bearing his name and a former president of the Savoy Opera company there; in Philadelphia.

Mrs. Elizabeth Walsh Long, 57, niece of the late Sen. Thomas J. Walsh [D., Mont.] and wife of Augustus C. Long, chairman of the board of Texaco, Inc.; in New York City.

Edmund W. Madden, 62, vice president of the Manufacturers Hanover Trust company in charge of its Brooklyn branches; in New York City.

Raymond C. Kratz, 76, veteran member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives; in Philadelphia.

I'm confused. Are these people supposed to have been killed? How are they related to the assassination?

Their obituaries all appeared in the Chicago Tribune on October 15, 1963, whether they were all residents of the Windy City,

or a mixture of some in Chicago and some in other cities, I cannot say, but all of the obituaries appeared in the Chicago Tribune

for October 15, 1963. As to their cause of death I would not have any more idea of that, than anyone else reading this.

Is it me? Is anyone getting this? Why is it important who died on October 15, 1963? What does any of this have to do with anything? There's an obit page everyday. So what?

Why did you post this? What is compelling about this?

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The "Secret" Service were not so secret that day.

The photos, the videos, the witness testimony clearly show that they were not supposed to protect Kennedy that day.

Anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool , or part of the cover up.

I thought this was pretty compelling, in addition to Secret Service Agent Thomas Shipman, who is listed, all these other people died no doubt within 72-96 hours of each other.

Pretty interesting list.

Chicago Tribune (IL) - October 15, 1963

Deaths Elsewhere

Deceased Name: Thomas B. Shipman

Thomas B. Shipman, 51, special secret service agent who occasionally drove President Kennedy's limousine and more frequently was assigned as driver of the carload of secret service agents directly behind the President; in his sleep at Camp David, Md.

Robert H, Gordon, 60, who directed numerous Broadway shows, including "Call Me Mister," and in World War II headed the theater department of U. S. O., producing 60 plays for serviceman; in Detroit.

H. R. [bud] Ekins, 62, editor and publisher of the Schenectady, N. Y., Union-Star and former foreign correspondent of the United Press, who was expelled from Italy by Benito Mussolini in 1939; in his office in Schenectady.

James K. Knutson, 57 a member of the Interstate Commerce commission from 1950 to 1954 and head of the National Defense Transportation commission from 1950 to 1958; of cancer, in Washington.

David Kleckner, 67, restaurateur who operated "Dave's Blue Room" in New York City from 1922 to 1943 and a restaurant of the same name in Hollywood from 1943 to 1948; after a heart attack, in Los Angeles.

J. Berton Carnett, 49, of Philadelphia, president of an insurance company bearing his name and a former president of the Savoy Opera company there; in Philadelphia.

Mrs. Elizabeth Walsh Long, 57, niece of the late Sen. Thomas J. Walsh [D., Mont.] and wife of Augustus C. Long, chairman of the board of Texaco, Inc.; in New York City.

Edmund W. Madden, 62, vice president of the Manufacturers Hanover Trust company in charge of its Brooklyn branches; in New York City.

Raymond C. Kratz, 76, veteran member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives; in Philadelphia.

I'm confused. Are these people supposed to have been killed? How are they related to the assassination?

Their obituaries all appeared in the Chicago Tribune on October 15, 1963, whether they were all residents of the Windy City,

or a mixture of some in Chicago and some in other cities, I cannot say, but all of the obituaries appeared in the Chicago Tribune

for October 15, 1963. As to their cause of death I would not have any more idea of that, than anyone else reading this.

Is it me? Is anyone getting this? Why is it important who died on October 15, 1963? What does any of this have to do with anything? There's an obit page everyday. So what?

Why did you post this? What is compelling about this?

Joe why don't you quit acting like a schmuck.......If the post annoys you so much don't read it...As to your question, I posted the obit because it had Thomas Shipman's death mentioned, it gave information regarding his death, which has been in short

supply. The other obits were also included in the same page, I felt they were interesting.

if you have a problem with the post, deal with it. I don't like someone busting my chops because "they" don't think it is noteworthy. You don't speak for everybody.

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