Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

[Barb Junkkarinen]

Barb,

Absolutely magnificent work!

Best to you,

Mike

Thank you, Mike.

Bests,

Barb :-)

[Kathleen Collins]

The photo shows "Lee" Oswald in color. Blow it up and see the brown tooth and the color of his eyes.

Kathy C

Edited April 7, 2010 by Kathleen Collins

[Pamela Brown]

Barb,

Absolutely magnificent work!

In case you don't realize it, Barb will be happy not only to do your thinking for you, but make sure to lead you back to the pristine purity of the WCR.

Her 'work' consists of presenting bits of information and attaching a negative spin to them. Her stories about what she think happened to Judyth consistently fall prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. She refuses to allow Judyth to be mistaken about anything she recollects after nearly 50 years, and she insists that Judyth robotically repeat the same words to describe something each time she speaks.

But, as they say, ignorance seems to be bliss for, at least for you and Tink...

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JIM REPLIES TO KATHY AND COMMENTS ON THE FUTURE OF THE THREAD

I believe that Kathy is sincere but that others are flooding this thread with junk. The photo on which she is focusing

appears to me to be a fake. Judyth identified it and one above as obvious fakes and, of course, this is presumably the

same figure in the "hunting photo", which we have previously discussed. I believe that, in this thread, we have made

important inroads with regard to laying out Judyth's story and, as I shall explain in my following post, my understanding

of what was going on in New Orleans has been transformed by my interview with Ed Haslam, DR. MARY'S MONKEY. So

my suggestion to Judyth will be that we add a few more important posts but ignore the junk. And then we can let it go

and concentrate on developing her blog and other modes of communication. Here, I think, we have covered the bases.

The photo shows "Lee" Oswald in color. Blow it up and see the brown tooth and the color of his eyes.

Kathy C

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JIM REPLIES TO JACK WHITE ABOUT THE JUDYTH VARY THREAD

NOTE: Jack has abandoned the thread (or so he tells us) for a new

"Jim/Judyth" thread, which is dedicated to presenting "errors" in the

work of John Armstrong. I replied by re-posting about twenty of the

most important posts which present criticisms of HARVEY & LEE, so

he could forward them to John, one-by-one. Instead of doing that,

Jack accused me of "hijacking" his thread and created yet another,

"Jim/Judyth II", which he began with the comment to which I reply.

Every serious student of this case must read DR. MARY'S MONKEY.

JIM RESPONDS TO JACK:

Jack,

No matter what you are saying, this thread has exposed major problems

in the HARVEY & LEE scenario as well as explaining quite a lot about the

relationship between Judyth and Lee, who were collaborating with David

Ferrie and Dr. Mary Sherman in a project to develop an anti-cancer-virus

cure that became crucial when it was discovered that the polio vaccine

being use to inoculate around 100,000,000 children and young adults

was contaminated with the SV-40 virus, derived from the incubation of

batches for study in the kidneys of Rhesus monkeys. It is a fascinating

and remarkable story, which I am only now beginning to piece together.

It is my belief that you are abandoning the thread because you are not

able to cope with the arguments that have been posted, especially those

about the "missing tooth" and the presence of "Harvey" and "Lee" at the

same junior high school, the sole evidential basis for which is the report

of an elderly woman who seems to be a completely incompetent witness.

The idea that I "hijacked" your thread is rather ridiculous. I interpreted

your invitation as one to repost the posts in which challenges to the work

of John Armstrong had been presented. I therefore went through the

thread to pick out those that were most relevant, which I posted there.

My presumption was that you would send them to John, one at a time,

for his consideration. Why you can't see your way to do that is beyond

me. I believe that you are not only hostile to Judyth but have become

hostile to me. For all the years of our relationship, I have never seen

you act in such an obdurate and obstructionistic fashion. I have given

you what you need if you choose to contact John, namely, a collection of

the posts in which challenges to his work are presented. I didn't think in

my wildest dreams that I had to drag it out, one by one. So do with what

I presented as you will. There was no reason to reject what I have done.

The reason you are not reading these posts and learning from them, of

course, is that your mind has been closed on this subject since before

the thread began. I realize that you are not alone in failing to begin to

appreciate what Judyth is all about. Let me recommend that you could

take a giant step in the right direction by reading DR. MARY'S MONKEY,

in which Ed Haslam offers a fascinating exploration of the circumstances

that brought Judyth, Lee, Ferrie, Sherman, and Oechner together in one

of the most remarkable covert operations in American medical history.

Jim

P.S. Even simpler, tune in to revereradio.net this Friday from 5-7 PM/CT

and listen to Jesse Ventura for the first hour and Ed Haslam the second.

Like the numerous others who have grown tired of this thread, I have

now found it counterproductive to read and/or reply to the 10,000+-word

daily treatises on the JVB stories and how accurate and marvelous

the research is. I have received over a half-dozen emails from researchers

saying what a waste of time the Jim/Judyth thread has become, and they

refuse to read any new postings. I just this evening received two more

messages of support; the people email me privately because they say

they cannot have a productive exchange with Jim.

I am starting this new thread which I hope will be limited to a single

subject....which Jim/Judyth have suggested:

"THE ERRORS OF JOHN ARMSTRONG."

Both have the book Harvey & Lee. I ask that if they wish to address

these "errors" that they do so in this thread, and with the following

limitations:

Address only "error" in one posting, thusly:

Error: LHO's Missing Tooth, cite pages in H&L.

Why Armstrong Is Wrong (100 words or less).

or:

Error: LHO Could Not Drive.

Why Armstrong Is Wrong (100 words or less).

Cite facts, not opinions.

(Lengthy cut and paste messages will be ignored!)

I will then attempt to reply to the alleged "error".

This is the ONLY thread in which I will respond to any postings

about JVB or H&L.

(Lengthy cut and paste messages will be ignored!)

This might contribute something to the investigation.

(Lengthy cut and paste messages will be ignored!)

Jack

DO NOT POST ANYTHING TO THIS THREAD WHICH DOES NOT MEET

THE ABOVE CRITERIA. IT WILL BE IGNORED.

Edited April 7, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Kathleen Collins]

One more thing about what dentists sometimes did for a person missing a front or easily-seen tooth. They made the patient a "flipper." A flipper was not a good device. It had a roof to it and the fake tooth would replace the missing one. It was a horrible contraption -- you might as well wear dentures. And when they didn't fit -- oh my God.

Kathy C

Kathleen,

Is this like a bridge?

Mike

I am trying to keep up with these posts. I believe I explained what a bridge is. Above I am describing this weird thing. It had a plastic, pinkish roof to hold a fake tooth in, I guess, with suction. I don't think dentists resort to that now. It seems nowadays that a root canal and crown are mandatory and expensive.

Kathy C

Hi Kathy,

I think flippers are only resorted to for a stop gap measure these days ... I know my dentist hates them, but offered one to me as I broke a tooth off at the gumline and once the digging the root out heals, the 2 crowns and bridge process will begin. She said some people like to have a little something to fill the gap in the mean time, and your description seems to agree with the thing she showed me. Mine doesn't really show, so we agreed not to go there. Sounds like they are more trouble than they are worth and they break often.

Bests,

Barb :-)

You bet. Usually poor people got them. Thanks for your response. I hope people don't think I went off on a tangent.

Kathy Collins

[Barb Junkkarinen]

In post #990, I quoted Judyth's footnote in response to her regarding the letter she says in her book that she was told to write to President Kennedy in May of 1960. As we know, there was no President Kennedy in May of 1960. But here is Judyth's footnote again:

The letter was written to Kennedy in May, 1960. JFK's personal assistant with experience in Latin American affairs, Ralph Dungan, immediately wrote a reply, which is in my possession. Dungan rode in the fatal Dallas motorcade on Nov. 22 with Kennedy's close advisor, Kenny O'Donnell.

They say everyone remembers where they were and what they were doing when they heard JFK had been shot. That is true of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, it seems ... as he remembers being in Dungan's office in the White House in Washington, D.C. ... with Dungan. Here is an excerpt:

The Paranoid Style

Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Originally published in The Washington Post, December 29, 1991

It happens I was in the White House at the hour of John F. Kennedy's death. There were a dozen or so of us (I was an assistant labor secretary at the time) seated in a circle in presidential assistant Ralph Dungan's large southwest corner room on the first floor. We were a few doors down from the Oval Office, where the rug, or something, was being changed and the furniture emptied out. The president's famous rocking chair was resting on top of a pile of cabinets and such in the little anteroom just outside. (Come to think of it, this may be the only "proof" of a conspiracy that Oliver Stone's movie JFK somehow overlooks.)

There was no formal announcement that the president had died -- just a time when everyone knew. Nor did we do anything; there wasn't anything to do. Or not much, anyway. McGeorge Bundy got up and went over to a telephone, asking in a quiet voice that he be put through to the secretary of defense, Robert McNamara. The door opened, and in burst Hubert Humphrey, eyes streaming. He grasped Dungan, who had risen. "What have they done to us?" he gasped.

Moynihan's entire article is here:

http://www.jfk-online.com/moynihan.html

O'Donnell rode in the Queen Mary in the Dallas motorcade.

My thanks to the friend who sent me this information ... my bad, I should have checked that out in the first place.

Bests,

Barb :-)

[Barb Junkkarinen]

Hi Kathy,

I think flippers are only resorted to for a stop gap measure these days ... I know my dentist hates them, but offered one to me as I broke a tooth off at the gumline and once the digging the root out heals, the 2 crowns and bridge process will begin. She said some people like to have a little something to fill the gap in the mean time, and your description seems to agree with the thing she showed me. Mine doesn't really show, so we agreed not to go there. Sounds like they are more trouble than they are worth and they break often.

Bests,

Barb :-)

You bet. Usually poor people got them. Thanks for your response. I hope people don't think I went off on a tangent.

Kathy Collins

Given the discussion and the number of times that long post with the pics of Oswald's decomposing mouth went by, I don't think it was off on a tangent at all.

Bests,

Barb :-)

[Karl Kinaski]

In post #990, I quoted Judyth's footnote in response to her regarding the letter she says in her book that she was told to write to President Kennedy in May of 1960. As we know, there was no President Kennedy in May of 1960. But here is Judyth's footnote again:

The letter was written to Kennedy in May, 1960. JFK's personal assistant with experience in Latin American affairs, Ralph Dungan, immediately wrote a reply, which is in my possession. Dungan rode in the fatal Dallas motorcade on Nov. 22 with Kennedy's close advisor, Kenny O'Donnell.

They say everyone remembers where they were and what they were doing when they heard JFK had been shot. That is true of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, it seems ... as he remembers being in Dungan's office in the White House in Washington, D.C. ... with Dungan. Here is an excerpt:

The Paranoid Style

Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Originally published in The Washington Post, December 29, 1991

It happens I was in the White House at the hour of John F. Kennedy's death. There were a dozen or so of us (I was an assistant labor secretary at the time) seated in a circle in presidential assistant Ralph Dungan's large southwest corner room on the first floor. We were a few doors down from the Oval Office, where the rug, or something, was being changed and the furniture emptied out. The president's famous rocking chair was resting on top of a pile of cabinets and such in the little anteroom just outside. (Come to think of it, this may be the only "proof" of a conspiracy that Oliver Stone's movie JFK somehow overlooks.)

There was no formal announcement that the president had died -- just a time when everyone knew. Nor did we do anything; there wasn't anything to do. Or not much, anyway. McGeorge Bundy got up and went over to a telephone, asking in a quiet voice that he be put through to the secretary of defense, Robert McNamara. The door opened, and in burst Hubert Humphrey, eyes streaming. He grasped Dungan, who had risen. "What have they done to us?" he gasped.

Moynihan's entire article is here:

http://www.jfk-online.com/moynihan.html

O'Donnell rode in the Queen Mary in the Dallas motorcade.

My thanks to the friend who sent me this information ... my bad, I should have checked that out in the first place.

Bests,

Barb :-)

That is common knowledge. O'Donell and Dave Powers where in that car. Surrounded by 6? 8 ? SS men while their friend and president was all alone in the Lincoln in front of them like a pumpkin on a tray ...ääh, excuse me: what has that to do with JVB and Oswald in NOLA????

KK

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Ed Haslam's interview, which will be broadcast on Friday along with

Jesse Ventura's, is at http://religionandmorality.net/Podcasts/Haslam/

JIM REPLIES TO JACK WHITE ABOUT THE JUDYTH VARY THREAD

NOTE: Jack has abandoned the thread (or so he tells us) for a new

"Jim/Judyth" thread, which is dedicated to presenting "errors" in the

work of John Armstrong. I replied by re-posting about twenty of the

most important posts which present criticisms of HARVEY & LEE, so

he could forward them to John, one-by-one. Instead of doing that,

Jack accused me of "hijacking" his thread and created yet another,

"Jim/Judyth II", which he began with the comment to which I reply.

Every serious student of this case must read DR. MARY'S MONKEY.

JIM RESPONDS TO JACK:

Jack,

No matter what you are saying, this thread has exposed major problems

in the HARVEY & LEE scenario as well as explaining quite a lot about the

relationship between Judyth and Lee, who were collaborating with David

Ferrie and Dr. Mary Sherman in a project to develop an anti-cancer-virus

cure that became crucial when it was discovered that the polio vaccine

being use to inoculate around 100,000,000 children and young adults

was contaminated with the SV-40 virus, derived from the incubation of

batches for study in the kidneys of Rhesus monkeys. It is a fascinating

and remarkable story, which I am only now beginning to piece together.

It is my belief that you are abandoning the thread because you are not

able to cope with the arguments that have been posted, especially those

about the "missing tooth" and the presence of "Harvey" and "Lee" at the

same junior high school, the sole evidential basis for which is the report

of an elderly woman who seems to be a completely incompetent witness.

The idea that I "hijacked" your thread is rather ridiculous. I interpreted

your invitation as one to repost the posts in which challenges to the work

of John Armstrong had been presented. I therefore went through the

thread to pick out those that were most relevant, which I posted there.

My presumption was that you would send them to John, one at a time,

for his consideration. Why you can't see your way to do that is beyond

me. I believe that you are not only hostile to Judyth but have become

hostile to me. For all the years of our relationship, I have never seen

you act in such an obdurate and obstructionistic fashion. I have given

you what you need if you choose to contact John, namely, a collection of

the posts in which challenges to his work are presented. I didn't think in

my wildest dreams that I had to drag it out, one by one. So do with what

I presented as you will. There was no reason to reject what I have done.

The reason you are not reading these posts and learning from them, of

course, is that your mind has been closed on this subject since before

the thread began. I realize that you are not alone in failing to begin to

appreciate what Judyth is all about. Let me recommend that you could

take a giant step in the right direction by reading DR. MARY'S MONKEY,

in which Ed Haslam offers a fascinating exploration of the circumstances

that brought Judyth, Lee, Ferrie, Sherman, and Ochsner together in one

of the most remarkable covert operations in American medical history.

Jim

P.S. Even simpler, tune in to revereradio.net this Friday from 5-7 PM/CT

and listen to Jesse Ventura for the first hour and Ed Haslam the second.

Like the numerous others who have grown tired of this thread, I have

now found it counterproductive to read and/or reply to the 10,000+-word

daily treatises on the JVB stories and how accurate and marvelous

the research is. I have received over a half-dozen emails from researchers

saying what a waste of time the Jim/Judyth thread has become, and they

refuse to read any new postings. I just this evening received two more

messages of support; the people email me privately because they say

they cannot have a productive exchange with Jim.

I am starting this new thread which I hope will be limited to a single

subject....which Jim/Judyth have suggested:

"THE ERRORS OF JOHN ARMSTRONG."

Both have the book Harvey & Lee. I ask that if they wish to address

these "errors" that they do so in this thread, and with the following

limitations:

Address only "error" in one posting, thusly:

Error: LHO's Missing Tooth, cite pages in H&L.

Why Armstrong Is Wrong (100 words or less).

or:

Error: LHO Could Not Drive.

Why Armstrong Is Wrong (100 words or less).

Cite facts, not opinions.

(Lengthy cut and paste messages will be ignored!)

I will then attempt to reply to the alleged "error".

This is the ONLY thread in which I will respond to any postings

about JVB or H&L.

(Lengthy cut and paste messages will be ignored!)

This might contribute something to the investigation.

(Lengthy cut and paste messages will be ignored!)

Jack

DO NOT POST ANYTHING TO THIS THREAD WHICH DOES NOT MEET

THE ABOVE CRITERIA. IT WILL BE IGNORED.

Edited April 8, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[David Andrews]

Just a thought, upon watching Ed Haslam's interview filmed by Daankbaar: Why not a photo-investigative search for the woman who impersonated Judyth Vary Baker, to Haslam and others, at Tulane University in 1972?

Colleges have always been photo-happy over their visiting faculty and other temporary associates. Perhaps Tulane yearbooks and promo materials for the U. and its affiliated programs could turn up a picture for Haslam to ID, unless she and her "husband" - another intel Fun Couple like the Hunts and Paines? - were under deep cover.

A new book - Judy and Judyth?

Edited April 7, 2010 by David Andrews

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JUDYTH COMMENTS ABOUT JACK WHITE AND THE "MISSING TOOTH"

NOTE: I am adding this to a Kathy post because it explains why it is hard to

take the "missing tooth" scenario seriously, especially when "Harvey's" aunt

is alleged to have paid for the dental bill for "Marguerite" to have it treated.

JUDYTH REPLIES:

Jack White wrote:

"JOHN DOCUMENTS THAT LEE LOST THE TOOTH IN A FIGHT AT

BEAUREGARD JUNIOR HIGH. HE DID NOT "RESTORE" THE TOOTH USING MILK."

==Citation, please, showing us that the teenaged Oswald did not try to save

the knocked-out tooth, when we have a record that "Lee" went to the dentist?

Where is the evidence that the tooth was not saved by using milk?==

"HE DID NOT "RESTORE" THE TOOTH USING MILK"

How do you know that? No photos show a lost tooth, except for a single photo.

ANSWER: In every photo of Oswald, his front tooth is intact--unless you insist

every photo is of "Harvey." There is no reason to believe that Lee and Harvey

were different individuals at Beauregard, when we understand that only the

tesimony of one person makes this distinction--the tesimony of Myra D, who

DROVE "Harvey" to "Lee's" residence on Exchange Alley. She is the ONLY person

to report that "Harvey" asked her to call him "Harvey." She is ther only person to

report that a piano fell on top of "Harvey." She is the only person to report that

she had "Harvey" in her homeroom class, the only home room class she ever had.

She is the only person to report that she--a girl's gym teacher--'somehow' made

friends with "Harvey" a a time Ed Voeble said neither he nor "Lee" (Voeble never

calls Lee "Harvey" and never, ever mentions a "Harvey" in his deposiions)--she's

the only person who says Harvey was a shrimp at Beauregard Junior High School.

The photo shows "Lee" Oswald in color. Blow it up and see the brown tooth and the color of his eyes.

Kathy C

Edited April 7, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JUDYTH COMMENTS ON BARB'S PICAYUNE ATTACKS AND EARLIER BOOKS

As I told Dr. Fetzer when he first interviewed me, ten years' worth of nitpicking

would be arrayed against me if we entered a forum instead of staying with blogs.

I particularly warned him that quotes could be taken from the two unauthorized

books out there. One book was written via emails with Dr. Howard Platzman, and

many items were missing and a few were misinterpreted. After it was stolen and

altered by thieves who blackmailed me, trying to get my screenplay, it had to be

abandoned and the book had to be rewritten.

The second book was published behind my back by Harrison E. Livingstone with

good intentions -- I had received death threats -- but he published i with errors

I was not allowed to correct. I told Dr. Fetzer quotations from my unauthorized

book(s) were being used against me, though I had had no control of the final

product and had protested the errors, omissions and even interpolations, some

speculations never meant to reach print, and even the excision of some crucial

explanatory statements. Here is my statement, published in July 2006, after I

learned this book had been published in May, 2006, behind my back. I had been

sent copies and had read the finished product and was overwhelmed by all the

problems with the book.

I sent out a press release to a number of publishers and the media--all of which

were ignored -- and as soon as I calculated that one poor investor hopefully got

'paid' -- I never received any money for it myself and would have refused a single

dollar. I even sent Mr. Livingstone his tiny 'advance' money back -- which originally

had been described as a gift so I could keep my Internet connection going in Hungary.

Here is the disclaimer I wrote as soon as I assessed the condition and inaccuracy of

the book that Barb J. uses as the basis for her criticisms, even though she is aware

that the book was shut down by me for its flaws and faults. Nonetheless, the book

does contain a great deal of useful information (if you can read it, since the typeface

for the end notes is microscopic). I also published the following declaration and sent

it everywhere I could in the form of a press release. I believe it bears repeating here:

PRESS RELEASE

<뾼˼>JULY 21, 2006

New Book about Kennedy Assassination printed without author’s permission.

Author was the lover of accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.

Title of the unauthorized publication:

LEE HARVEY OSWALD

The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy by His Lover

Judyth Vary Baker

(A Harrison Edward Livingstone Book) published summer, 2006 by Trafford Press, Canada

STATEMENT FOR THE PRESS:

While I appreciate the kind Forwards written by esteemed JFK assassination researchers

Dr. Harrison Edward Livingstone, and Martin Shackelford, who were responsible for the

publication of this edition, and while I recognize that they believe this book needs to get

into the hands of the American people for the sake of history, nevertheless, this book was

published without my permission and is an unauthorized version of:

LEE HARVEY OSWALD: the Truth about the Accused Assassin by Judyth Vary.

I am not responsible for any errors, omissions, libelous statements, etc. in this unauthorized

publication, since it was published without my permission, and I had no access to the final

version before it was printed.

(signed)

Judyth Vary Baker

USA

Additional Comments for Serious Researchers and Readers:

OMISSIONS IN THE BOOK:

Thirty important pages concerning Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas and in Mexico City

were not released to Dr. Livingstone and Mr. Shackelford because, among other

reasons, I was refused access to the ‘final’ edit.

SIZE OF MANUSCRIPT:

Dr. Livingstone wrote that he received ‘a mountain’ of textual material from me,

and that he then had to cut the manuscript to half its size. This is inaccurate.

I can prove it: I copyrighted the first, second, and final drafts, which proves

all the writing is mine, and that the book as delivered to Dr. Livingstone was

only 800 pages long, not twice that size as claimed. Dr. Livingstone may have

included all the email remarks, etc. over a period of 15 months, as part of his

‘mountain’ of textual material.

READABILITY OF BOOK:

By reducing the size of many illustrations (sometimes to a size that was unreadable)

and reducing the size and number of end-notes (the typeface size is almost unreadable)

the book is difficult to read.

VALUE OF BOOK:

Most of the book stands, despite its typos and the rawness of the manuscript in some places,

as the most comprehensive account of Lee Harvey Oswald’s activities and personality in existence,

with new details and evidence sufficient to convince the unprejudiced reader of Oswald’s patriotism,

heroism, and innocence.

MODE OF COMMUNICATING BOOK’S CONTENTS TO LIVINGSTONE :

The book was transferred to an associate of Dr. Livingstone via the Internet, and since Dr. Livingstone

and I did not get along, eventually I was informed that I would not be allowed to see the final edit of

the book. This made me angry. Had I seen this error-filled manuscript, which was reprinted almost

exactly as transmitted over the Internet while I lived in Europe—except that some evidence illustrations

have actually been removed or reduced to a size impossible to easily read—I repeat: had I seen the final

‘edit’ I would have corrected the many typos, etc. After all, I have been teaching English many years, and

though I can’t type very accurately, I am able to proofread final manuscripts quite well.

EXAMPLES OF PROBLEMS IN THE BOOK:

To illustrate the superabundance of typos, excisions, and editing problems encountered in this big book,

I have selected a short section -- a mere ten pages -- to illustrate why I am dissatisfied and concerned

about what has reached readers and researchers in this unauthorized version:

p. 205, near bottom: Some sentences were removed, meaning that when the reader reads, “ I caught my

breath. I saw that they were dead serious…” regarding our ongoing conversation at the time, it makes little

sense, since the paragraph before these words is a quote about Clint Murchison, unrelated to the statement.

p. 206: Illustration is on the wrong page (should be on page 207).

p. 208: The paragraph containing “Every three days or so, the fluid had to be replaced…” is repeated on p.

209, with slight variations. I would append part of the end of one Internet file to the next one, to keep the

files in proper chronological order, and in this case, the tag wasn’t removed.

p. 209: Illustration is on the wrong page ---and the caption is incomplete..

p. 212: An important letter (Banister to HUAC guru Edwin Willis, US Rep. LA,) has been removed, making

what is described seem less important than it is, and one has to access end notes contained in the next volume,

which few would bother to do, to see if the letter is present. It is not! It was removed! Willis’ important response

to the letter is also missing. Both letters are in the original manuscript.

p. 213: While quoting a researcher, six lines of comments I wrote at the end of the quote are indented in the

same smaller typeface as the quote, and therefore seem to be part of the researcher’s quote, instead of being

my own words.

p. 214: The important Tasarov Russian defector letter to be discussed with HUAC’s Edwin Willis, whose office

was located directly across the street from where Lee Oswald (former defector) worked at Reily’s, proves that

Willis was privy to all defector information via the CIA. But the letter has been reduced to a size impossible to read.

There are a dismaying and irritating number of typos uncorrected in the text. For example, just below the sentences

mentioned above, there is a semicolon instead of an apostrophe.

RE: End notes and Index: You need a magnifying glass to read the end notes, but end note number 475, for some

reason, is in a HUGE typeface (p. 677).

Misplaced Index and Omissions/Errors in Index:

The Index was placed in the book ahead of the end notes.

Example of Omissions in Index:

The Index has many irritating omissions (for example, “Tommy ‘the Cork’ Corcoran” is missing, who was involved in

Oswald’s Mexico City trip; researcher Mary Ferrell’s name is missing; researcher Debbee Reynold’s name is missing;

Robert Oswald’s name is missing; William I. Monaghan is not indexed as such, but is found under two other headings:

“Bill Monaghan” and “Mr. Monaghan,” etc.)

Example of Errors in Index:

The Index also contains some embarrassing editing errors, such as “ARRB” in the very beginning of the Index, where,

unaccountably, it says “See ARRB, See ARRB, See ARRB.”

Much of the Book Wasn’t Proofread:

Unfortunately, the long list of evidence removed or reduced to an unreadable size, the truncating of many end notes,

and the preservation in the first half of the book of most of the manuscript’s typos, combine to offer frustration to the

serious researcher, and to distract the general reader. I repeat that I was not allowed to view the ‘final edit’ – though

it has been claimed otherwise.

Errors exist such as saying I was conscripted by the CIA, that I was asked to write to President Kennedy in 1960, that

I was in a soundproofed room at Eli Lilly’s instead of a room that resembled a sound-proofed room. Day classes at MJC

in Russian were omitted (why?) from the text. Speculations about AIDS never meant to be printed were included.

Personal remarks about certain researchers, meant only for the editor, were included, creating justifiable anger among

those so mentioned.

The error of Cancun, made by a former agent, instead of Kankun was included, keeping a myth alive that did not belong

in the book, as it was never in my original account.

THIS EDITION IS UNAUTHORIZED and does NOT constitute the whole of my testimony. While I appreciate

the efforts and financial sacrifices made by these noted researchers to get the bulk of the manuscript into the

hands of the American people, I repeat that I am not responsible for any errors therein, nor for any missing or

unreadable materials/evidence. I am also not responsible for any statements or descriptions of living individuals

whose names are mentioned in the manuscript, but were never intended to be shown to the general public, as it

was always my intention to remove or truncate any and all potentially libelous statements from the final version

of the manuscript before its publication.

Honest researchers will be able to discern the value of the book, however flawed the manuscript is: as for me,

I remain dedicated to the goal of the exoneration of the innocent man, Lee Harvey Oswald, and will continue to

do everything in my power to get the truth to the American people, and to the world.

In that spirit, I have decided not to bring any formal charges against Dr. Livingstone and Mr. Shackelford for what

they have done. Instead, I seek a publisher who will assure me that ALL the vital information in my book will be

accessible to as many people as possible, in a fully legible, readable, proofread, intact version.

Judyth Vary

San Luis, Arizona, USA

July 21, 2006

Edited April 8, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JUDYTH RESPONDS TO BARB ABOUT HER (BARB'S) LATEST BLUNDER

Barb J. tells readers here that :

"MEDEC-ZOA" appears to the left of the "logo" under the letterhead. It is in no way buddied up to Judyth's name."

Barb says it is merely an office address, part of the letterhead on the first page, and she notes that the top of the

letter of the second page is covered. Of course, a second page has no letterhead, nor would it have an "office

address" on the second page.

Barb says she was told that "Medec-Zoa" was just part of an office address, and "It is in no way buddied up to

Judyth's name."

I said it was a file associated with my name, linked later to MEDEC-ZOE.

Further, I have said that the UNAUTHORIZED book leaves important details out: I am not responsible for the way

the letter was shown in the unauthorized book.I have asked people to check with me FIRST before relying on it.

But Barb used the unauthorized book anyway.

Attached is the second page...As everyone knows, no office addresses are on a second page of such correspondence.

   

But there, "buddied up" to my name, is the designation MEDEC ZOA.

In the book, a part of the second page was covered up to make 'more room'--to which I would have objected, but it

was published without allowing me to see the galleys.

I have placed the 2nd page on top of the first page in the second attachment, so you can see it that way, too, this time

around.

I wonder how many Barb clones are going to chime in "Well done, Barb!" without reading my response? Will I ever get

an apology from Barb for her relentless efforts to discredit me?

The full second page, which shows "Medec Zoa" buddied up to my name, WILL be in the AUTHORIZED book.

JVB

JUDYTH: MEDEC-ZOA

In an e-mail to Dave Reitzes in November 2000, Judyth told

him:

Anyway, the letter i have from Walter Reed mentions file name

MEDEC-ZOA. I was ZOA and I was assigned to something called ZOE.

In her book, as a caption under the photo of the letter she received

from Dr. Jacobus at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, Judyth

writes:

The letter and notes I received from Walter Reed referred to a file

called 'Medec Zoa'.

As quoted in my post on Judyth's letter to President Kennedy (post#982), Judyth claimed that when she was whisked away to a room by scientists, military officers and others and signed loyalty oaths, she was told to write to both President Kennedy and Walter Reed. She did write to Walter Reed (no copy of that letter available) and Jacobus replied to her on 2 September 1960. Walter Reed Institute of Research, then and now, enthusiastically supported students engaged in science and research. The letter is difficult to read here ... perhaps Judyth will provide copies to Jim so that the entire letter can be seen ... and so that it can be photographed or scanned head on and with greater clarity. Judyth had written WR about her interest and experiments in protecting against injury to the patient during radiation treatment. Dr. Jacobus was sending her some needed chemicals separately, was very encouraging, and encouraged her to let them know how her experiment worked out.

Judyth has claimed that she made regular reports, and that she received several more notes and packages ... but never another letter. No other notes, aside from this letter, has been shown.

The jpg of the letter is what Judyth sent Martin to post as part of her evidence. As you can see, the letter is not complete, the bottom half of the front page is not included. In her book, the bottom half of the page is covered by the end of the Jacobus letter on the next or back page.

"MEDEC-ZOA" appears to the left of the "logo" under the letterhead. It

is in no way buddied up to Judyth's name.

I asked a couple of military types, one Air Force, one Army, about

that acronym and both told me the MEDEC would refer to the Command,

and the ZOA would refer to some office within that command. They were

exactly right.

This is not a "file" nor does "ZOA" designate Judyth. It is what the

Army calls an "office symbol" and is essentially an address.

In army lingo, the first 5 letters, in this case, MEDEC, designate the

command. MEDEC was the Medical Research and Development Command, it

was created in 1958 and existed until 1994 when the command name was

changed to MRMC, Medical Research and Materials Command. Today the

office symbol for Walter Reed Army Institute of Research is MCMR [as of June 2008 when I initially wrote this].

The 3 letters after the hyphen, in this case "ZOA" refers to the the

place and department or office within that command. We know the letter

came from the office of the Chief of the Radiology Department.

The three letters that follow the current command, MCMR, are UWZ. Like

ZOA, those letters do not stand for anything ... they designate an

address within the command. The UW is common to all

offices/departments within WRAIR today. The third letter narrows it

down to which department or office, and if those 3 letters are

followed by a hyphen and then a number, it narrows it down even

further, even to a specific person.

MEDEC-ZOA was essentially the office or department address in Army

speak.

I spoke to Debra at WRAIR, she is the Assistant Director for Research

Marketing and Policy Development. She went to a couple of old timers

as well as to historical data on the previous command designations ...

and their "office symbols" of yore ... and then called me with the

information. My thanks to her.

MEDEC-ZOA is no mystery ... and no file or designation regarding

Judyth for any special or secret project.

Barb :-)

[Barb Junkkarinen]

JUDYTH RESPONDS TO BARB ABOUT HER (BARB'S) LATEST BLUNDER

Barb J. tells readers here that :

"MEDEC-ZOA" appears to the left of the "logo" under the letterhead. It is in no way buddied up to Judyth's name."

Barb says it is merely an office address, part of the letterhead on the first page,

It is the "office symbol" ... as per Walter Reed Army Institute of Research.

and she notes that the top of the

letter of the second page is covered. Of course, a second page has no letterhead, nor would it have an "office

address" on the second page.

Nope. I didn't say that at all. I said,

The jpg of the letter is what Judyth sent Martin to post as part of her evidence. As you can see, the letter is not complete, the bottom half of the front page is not included. In her book, the bottom half of the page is covered by the end of the Jacobus letter on the next or back page.

And that is accurate, as is obvious from you now posting the letter, once again with the bottom of the first page covered by the second page ... the bottom half of page 1 cannot be seen, it has never been shown to my knowledge.

And, of course, there would be no letterhead on page 2 ... just the date and office symbol on opposite sides of the page, as they appear on page 1 ... along with the reference of whom the letter was going (Judyth).

Barb says she was told that "Medec-Zoa" was just part of an office address, and "It is in no way buddied up to

Judyth's name."

I said it was a file associated with my name, linked later to MEDEC-ZOE.

Yup, you said that, along with saying you were ZOA.

How silly. Anyone can check with Walter Reed Army Institute of Research as I did to find out what "MEDEC-ZOA" meant, anyone can check online as to what "office symbols" are in the Army. Here's a site with the "office symbols" current as of 2007:

http://www.army.mil/USAPA/epubs/pdf/r25_59.pdf

Further, I have said that the UNAUTHORIZED book leaves important details out: I am not responsible for the way

the letter was shown in the unauthorized book.I have asked people to check with me FIRST before relying on it.

But Barb used the unauthorized book anyway.

You just posted the letter showing it the same way it appeared in the book. :-) I merely commented on it, you posted it and that makes it clear that my comment is correct. My quotation of you claiming to be "ZOA" and that a "MEDEC-ZOA" file had been opened on you was not from the book.

Attached is the second page...As everyone knows, no office addresses are on a second page of such correspondence.

   

But there, "buddied up" to my name, is the designation MEDEC ZOA.

In the book, a part of the second page was covered up to make 'more room'--to which I would have objected, but it

was published without allowing me to see the galleys.

I have placed the 2nd page on top of the first page in the second attachment, so you can see it that way, too, this time

around.

I wonder how many Barb clones are going to chime in "Well done, Barb!" without reading my response? Will I ever get

an apology from Barb for her relentless efforts to discredit me?

I would never apologize to anyone for fact checking their claims. The very idea is ludicrous. Research requires fact checking claims. Even you have made comments about how you wouldn't expect anyone to believe such claims as these without proof ... and assuring people you have the proof.

The full second page, which shows "Medec Zoa" buddied up to my name, WILL be in the AUTHORIZED book.

Just be sure to include the full first page this time around, less anyone wonder why you didn't. In fact, why didn't you include it here?

JUDYTH: MEDEC-ZOA

In an e-mail to Dave Reitzes in November 2000, Judyth told

him:

Anyway, the letter i have from Walter Reed mentions file name

MEDEC-ZOA. I was ZOA and I was assigned to something called ZOE.

In her book, as a caption under the photo of the letter she received

from Dr. Jacobus at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, Judyth

writes:

The letter and notes I received from Walter Reed referred to a file

called 'Medec Zoa'.

As quoted in my post on Judyth's letter to President Kennedy (post#982), Judyth claimed that when she was whisked away to a room by scientists, military officers and others and signed loyalty oaths, she was told to write to both President Kennedy and Walter Reed. She did write to Walter Reed (no copy of that letter available) and Jacobus replied to her on 2 September 1960. Walter Reed Institute of Research, then and now, enthusiastically supported students engaged in science and research. The letter is difficult to read here ... perhaps Judyth will provide copies to Jim so that the entire letter can be seen ... and so that it can be photographed or scanned head on and with greater clarity. Judyth had written WR about her interest and experiments in protecting against injury to the patient during radiation treatment. Dr. Jacobus was sending her some needed chemicals separately, was very encouraging, and encouraged her to let them know how her experiment worked out.

Judyth has claimed that she made regular reports, and that she received several more notes and packages ... but never another letter. No other notes, aside from this letter, has been shown.

The jpg of the letter is what Judyth sent Martin to post as part of her evidence. As you can see, the letter is not complete, the bottom half of the front page is not included. In her book, the bottom half of the page is covered by the end of the Jacobus letter on the next or back page.

"MEDEC-ZOA" appears to the left of the "logo" under the letterhead. It

is in no way buddied up to Judyth's name.

I asked a couple of military types, one Air Force, one Army, about

that acronym and both told me the MEDEC would refer to the Command,

and the ZOA would refer to some office within that command. They were

exactly right.

This is not a "file" nor does "ZOA" designate Judyth. It is what the

Army calls an "office symbol" and is essentially an address.

In army lingo, the first 5 letters, in this case, MEDEC, designate the

command. MEDEC was the Medical Research and Development Command, it

was created in 1958 and existed until 1994 when the command name was

changed to MRMC, Medical Research and Materials Command. Today the

office symbol for Walter Reed Army Institute of Research is MCMR [as of June 2008 when I initially wrote this].

The 3 letters after the hyphen, in this case "ZOA" refers to the the

place and department or office within that command. We know the letter

came from the office of the Chief of the Radiology Department.

The three letters that follow the current command, MCMR, are UWZ. Like

ZOA, those letters do not stand for anything ... they designate an

address within the command. The UW is common to all

offices/departments within WRAIR today. The third letter narrows it

down to which department or office, and if those 3 letters are

followed by a hyphen and then a number, it narrows it down even

further, even to a specific person.

MEDEC-ZOA was essentially the office or department address in Army

speak.

I spoke to Debra at WRAIR, she is the Assistant Director for Research

Marketing and Policy Development. She went to a couple of old timers

as well as to historical data on the previous command designations ...

and their "office symbols" of yore ... and then called me with the

information. My thanks to her.

MEDEC-ZOA is no mystery ... and no file or designation regarding

Judyth for any special or secret project.

Barb :-)