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For those who keep posting unqualified crap about what they "believe" is Gary Mack's stance on the assassination.

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What punctuation?

If you are referring to the quotation marks, then you are revealing your lack of academic training.

Jim,

I'd guess he's referring to either the colon you placed following his name or your placing the full-stop period outside of the right quotation mark, where the placement inside or outside of the quotation marks varies between the UK and the US.

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I HIGHLY recommend that folks take a tour of that laughable beyond belief Sixth Floor Museum where Gary Mack is the curator/propagandist. Why inhale this garbage? Because you need to study the enemy's propaganda.

It is all about blaming it on US intelligence agent Oswald... without telling you he was US intelligence. "3 shots fired" blared over and over and over again. FBI model mock up of Dealey Plaza with lines of string drawn from the phantom sniper's nest representing shots of the phantom shooter in the phantom window. Nothing about a kill shot from the Grassy Knoll.

That God awful Navy artist drawing of JFK's head - that the FBI artist drew without seeing the autopsy photos. Nothing about the Warren Commission being a joke.

When the Sickth Floor exhibit does microscopically touch on conspiracies to murder JFK, it highlights the whopper ones: 1) Russians 2) Fidel Casto of Cuba 3) SPACE ALIENS.

I swear to Gawd, they are talking about SPACE ALIENS .... SPACE ALIENS as an example of a conspiracy theory.

The Sixth Floor Museum needs to include the following material:

(I will mail anyone my "LBJ and CIA killed JFK" file. Just send me an email to Morrow321@aol.com)

There are a lot of good web links and other info in this file. I would SKIM it first and see what catches your eye. Also, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to call me at 512-306-1510. Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy in the 1963 Coup d’Etat. (People like Clint Murchison Sr., H.L. Hunt, Nelson Rockefeller, David Rockefeller, top Nelson Rockefeller aide Henry Kissinger, George Herbert Walker Bush and Gen. Edward Lansdale all are excellent candidates for elite sponsorship.) Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may very well have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination; with the CIA in charge of the killing of JFK, and Lyndon Johnson and (his close friend and neighbor of 19 years in Washington, DC) FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the cover up.

Clint Murchison, Sr – more so than even H.L. Hunt – was a key player in the JFK assassination because of his close ties to the inner core of US intelligence (Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, John J. McCloy), close ties to Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, bankers Rockefellers; Murchison was even friends with key Kennedy-hater mafia godfather Carlos Marcellos of New Orleans. Not only that, Murchison, Sr. was a patient and partner of Dr. Alton Oschner, the former president of the American Cancer Society and who ran covert cancer research for the CIA. Oschner, likewise was a Kennedy-hater. John Simkin: “One of Ochsner's friends described him as being ‘like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence.’”

The Warren Commission should have really been called the “Allen Dulles Commission” because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). John J. McCloy was a Rockefeller man, former head of Chase Manhattan bank, and very deep US intelligence since the OSS days. John J. McCloy’s nickname was “Chairman of the American Establishment,” and he mixed at the highest levels of business, intelligence and he was close to the Kennedy-hating Texas business elite. Cover up artist Gerald Ford was secretly reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. In 1970, Newsweek called Gerald Ford “the CIA’s man” in Congress. The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA.

The CIA has been called the military wing of the CFR; and actually that is not too far from the truth. The CFR was in its heyday from 1950-1990.

Here is an absolutely spectacular article why the National Security State murdered John Kennedy: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/marshall10.1.html John Kennedy was despised by and did not control his CIA nor his Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Lyndon Johnson’s reasons to murder were out of his deep desperation and fear of what would become of him after his imminent expulsion from the 1964 Democratic ticket and his fears of going to jail over the exploding Bobby Baker scandal. LIFE magazine, being fed extremely damaging info by Robert Kennedy, was set to run an expose on Lyndon Johnson’s corruption that would blow him out of the water once and for all (Dec. 6th issue, but due to be printed and mailed on 11/29/63: source James Wagenvoord who worked at LIFE then). Bobby Baker was the protégé of a wildly corrupt LBJ in the Senate; Lyndon Johnson was like both a dad and a big brother to Bobby Baker (who named two of his children after LBJ: Lynda and Lyndon). Both Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Baker were receiving tremendous amounts of under-the-table money while Johnson was running the Senate. The Kennedys and LIFE Magazine were literally days away from politically executing Lyndon Johnson with the rope of the unraveling Bobby Baker scandal. After vaporizing the despised Lyndon Johnson, John Kennedy was going to replace LBJ most likely with Terry Sanford of North Carolina or possibly his good friend George Smathers of Florida as VP on the 1964 Democratic ticket.

The Kennedys and Lyndon Johnson were having a sub rosa fight: Jack and Robert Kennedy brought knives to the battle and Lyndon Johnson brought guns and it was settled on 11/22/63 at 12:30 PM in Dallas.

Lately, I have been studying the role of McGeorge Bundy, the National Security Advisor for JFK and Henry Cabot Lodge, JFK’s insubordinate ambassador to Vietnam who Kennedy was planning to fire on Monday, 11/25/63. It is probable that both McGeorge Bundy and Henry Cabot Lodge were involved some way with the JFK assassination. McGeorge Bundy, astonishingly, was already drafting sharp escalations to JFK’s Vietnam policy NSAM 273 (which JFK would not have approved) on 11/21/63, the night before the 1963 Coup d’Etat! Bundy later ran the Ford Foundation from 1966-1979.

JFK’s Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, who ran the Rockefeller Foundation from 1952-1961, and was also a hawk on Vietnam, is another one who merits close scrutiny in the Coup of 1963. Kennedy had appointed Rusk because it was unlikely that the Senate would confirm JFK’s first choice J. William Fulbright, who later became a prominent opponent of the Vietnam War. After the 1963 Coup d’Etat, Rusk lasted through all the blood and guts of Vietnam and all the way through Jan., 1969, as Johnson’s Secretary of State. Walt Rostow (CFR), another Vietnam hawk, replaced McGeorge Bundy (CFR) as National Security Advisor in 1966. The CFR and the Rockefellers, not John Kennedy, lusted for the Vietnam War.

The midlevel murderers (field operations) of JFK would include CIA guys like Richard Helms, James Angleton, E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, William King Harvey and David Atlee Phillips. Deputy Harry Weatherford is a good candidate to have been on the Records Building as a sniper. Influential mobster Johnny Roselli was especially close friends with the CIA’s William King Harvey, a rabid Kennedy hater. The most likely mafia godfathers involved would be Carlos Marcello and Santos Trafficante, particularly in the Jack Ruby murder of Oswald and perhaps in the JFK Assassination as well and other murders in the post assassination cover up.

We now know Lyndon Johnson was far worse than he is presented in current biographies. Far beyond ballot stuffing, bribery, massive under-the-table kickbacks, and being a consummate and pathological xxxx, Lyndon Johnson was murdering a lot of people in Texas to cover up his eye popping corruption. A prime example is the murder of US agricultural official Henry Marshall in June, 1961, and who then Vice President Lyndon Johnson arranged to have murdered. In the 1980’s, Billie Sol Estes, a close and corrupt partner of LBJ, began confessing to the murders that he, Lyndon Johnson, Cliff Carter and LBJ’s personal hit man Malcolm Wallace committed. Lyndon Johnson, a manic depressive – and at times a barely functioning psychopath - murdered perhaps 10-20 people to avoid exposure before he got his knife wet with John Kennedy’s blood.

My current thinking on US intelligence agent Lee Harvey Oswald is that he was indeed involved in the JFK assassination, but he was a patsy who shot NO ONE that day, neither John Kennedy nor Officer J.D. Tippit. Both murders were complete frame jobs. Oswald was a fake defector to Russia and his behavior in New Orleans 1963 was all about Oswald’s sheep dipping as he passed out pro-Castro flyers and pretended to be a “pro-Castro Marxist.” Meanwhile Oswald was working in concert in New Orleans with folks like David Ferrie and Guy Bannister whose politics were the equivalent of a 1960’s Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms. Oswald’s fake public persona as a “pro-Casto Marxist” meant that he was an ideal pick as a patsy and his likely knowledge of and/or participation in the JFK Assassination meant that he had to be murdered quickly. The folks who killed Oswald wanted a “dead Red” not a “talking head.” The JFK assassination was a deception provocation intended to facilitate a US military invasion of Cuba. It was that bad and ugly. A US invasion of Cuba might have provoked a broader war with Russia and from the point of view of some like Air Force General Curtis LeMay that was fine because, astoundingly, he wanted to wage and “win” a nuclear WWIII. Curtis LeMay hated Kennedy so much that a child could have recruited him into a plot to kill Kennedy. LeMay told Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis that he was an appeaser equivalent to Neville Chamberlain for not bombing Cuba.

That was the pool of sharks John Kennedy was swimming in: a desperate and psychopathic serial killer Vice-President Lyndon Johnson who was literally murdering a string of people down in Texas and who was waging a sub rosa war with the Kennedys, an out-of-control CIA hell bent on a coup; an FBI director Hoover who detested JFK and who was close friends with LBJ, and a JCS military brass who wanted to invade Cuba, wage the war in Vietnam, and Curtis Lemay who, according to Robert McNamara, wanted to wage full scale nuclear war with Russia, giving them the “Sunday punch” while the USA still had first strike capability. Add to that the white hot mafia hatred that Robert Kennedy was engendering with his prosecutions. This same mafia had been working hand in glove with their friends the CIA to take out Castro in Cuba. Think of these enemies of JFK as fasces: “a bundle of wooden sticks with an axe blade emerging from the center, which is an image that traditionally symbolizes summary power and jurisdiction, and/or strength through unity.”

The elite domestic murderers of JFK did it for many reasons, both personal and ideological. At the core it was Lyndon Johnson, the CIA, and the shadow government of Texas oil barons and the Rockefellers. It was not either/or the Western “Cowboys” or the Eastern “Yankees” who murdered John Kennedy: it was the elites of both.

I am always will to learn and I am always willing to change my mind. Two excellent books to read on the JFK assassination are 1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination (2010) by Phillip Nelson http://www.lbj-themastermind.com/ and 2) JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters (2008) by James Douglass. Review: http://www.ctka.net/2008/jfk_unspeakable.html Another important review of Douglass: http://bigpeace.com/dladams/2010/12/18/so-alone-jfk-and-the-unspeakable/

Richard Nixon knew the dirty truth about the JFK assassination, but I do not think he was directly involved. In fact, when Nixon was under intense Watergate pressure, his firewall strategy as recorded on the “smoking gun tape” was to ominous say don’t investigate me because it you do “the President believes that this is going to open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing again” – an obvious reference to the JFK assassination. Nixon’s aide Dean Burch said that when George Herbert Walker Bush heard that “He broke out in assholes and xxxx himself to death.”

Without a doubt, top honors for being biggest source for disinformation on the Coup of 1963 has been the NY Times whose reporting on the JFK assassination has been the equivalent of 1950’s Soviet style propaganda, i.e. completely fraudulent and parroting the 1960’s fantastic whoppers of LBJ, FBI, CIA and the Warren Commission. CBS News, ABC News, the Washington Post and the former LIFE magazine and CIA assets in other major media have been equally bad. LIFE Magazine actually bought the rights to the Zapruder film early on and never showed it once to the American people in video form., which would have revealed the incriminating “back and to the left” head snap of John Kennedy, all but proving a kill shot from the Grassy Knoll (grassy knoll shooting area being an extremely close 33 yards away from JFK). Finally, when American hero Robert Groden showed the Zapruder film on Geraldo on ABC in 1975, millions of Americans knew without a doubt what a sham the Warren Commission was.

A special word about the Council on Relations role in the 1963 Coup d’Etat and cover up: no other organization has been more responsible for the murder and cover up of John Kennedy than the CFR. Elite CFR members such as Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller and George Herbert Walker Bush were probably sponsors of the JFK assassination. Certainly leadership CFR members such as Allen Dulles, John J. McCloy, and Gerald Ford played the most critical roles in the Warren Commission farce. Add in cover up roles played by Nelson Rockefeller (CFR), Henry Kissinger (CFR), McGeorge Bundy (CFR), Nicholas Katzenbach (CFR), Jack Valenti (CFR), Bill Moyers (CFR), William Coleman (CFR) James Reston NY Times (CFR), Anthony Lewis NY Times (CFR), Dan Rather CBS (CFR), Peter Jennings (CFR), Daniel Schorr (CFR), Kenneth Gilmore Readers’ Digest (CFR), Stephen Rosenfeld Washington Post (CFR), Bobbie Ray Inman (CFR), … the list is almost endless. Note two things: 1) they are the key establishment players of BOTH major political parties spanning decades 2) their power and influence is directly proportional to the fantastic whoppers they tell about in the 1963 Coup d’Etat. For the older CFR members it is a case of PARTICIPATION and COVER UP in the JFK assassination. For the younger ones such as George Will (CFR), Charles Krauthammer (CFR), David Gergen (CFR), John Segenthaler (CFR), Michael Beschloss (CFR) it is a case of WILLFUL IGNORANCE as they still push the Big Lie. Note: Chris Matthews of Hardball, another willfully ignorant man, is close friends with Richard Haass, current president of CFR. I have never seen the highly acclaimed political guru Michael Barone, and Bilderberger attendee, ever say anything credible on the JFK assassination.

Question: do we really expect the CFR to admit that some of its elite members slaughtered John Kennedy and many more played integral roles in the cover up? No, but it is important to highlight that the Council on Foreign Relations has stunk up the place with tremendous amounts of radioactive horse manure relating to the 1963 Coup d’Etat.

The Discovery Channel has put out some incredibly bogus, poorly done disinfo presentations such as Inside the Target Car. Any MSM site that features Vincent Bugliosi, Gerald Posner, especially Hugh Aynesworth, Gus Russo, Dale Meyers or Gary Mack prominently and positively is giving you counterfeit money. If you google “JFK assassination” the first 2 links that come up are lone nutter controlled disinfo sites: 1) Wikipedia 2) John McAdam’s site. John McAdams is a very lowly regarded man who basically controls JFK related content on Wikipedia as well as his own site. Both Wikipedia and the NY Times are both tremendously dishonest sources for information relating to the 1963 Coup d’Etat. Finally, another major source of disinformation on the Coup of 1963 is the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, which blithely recycles the shredded vapors of the Warren Commission, as if it had an ounce of truth in it. Gary Mack, the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, simply does not have credibility on the JFK assassination.

In the near future there are going to be efforts by both Tom Hanks (HBO series) and Leonardo DiCaprio (a movie) to take on the JFK assassination. Sadly, these are both going to be disinformation efforts; the ONLY legitimate take on the JFK assassination is that it was a full blown coup d’etat. Tom Hanks is a clueless lone nutter.

The best discussion boards on the internet for good info are 1) Education Forum 2) Deep Politics Forum 3) JFKmurdersolved.com and 4) Mary Ferrell Foundation – www.maryferrell.org 5) JFK Lancer. On Facebook, the premier spot is JFK-The Grassy Knoll Witnesses (run by Rusty Yardum) http://www.facebook.com/pages/JFK-The-Grassy-Knoll-Witnesses/115305938487641 . Black Op radio’s web site www.blackopradio.com (Len Osanic) is an excellent place to listen to high quality interviews with folks such as JFK expert Jim DiEugenio. Deep Politics Quarterly (Walt Brown) http://www.manuscriptservice.com/DPQ/ and www.ctka.net (Jim DiEugenio) are 2 other quality spots on the internet.

As for videos, I highly recommend going to You Tube and watching the extremely important The Men Who Killed Kennedy - (episodes 7, 8, and 9). Much of these episodes focus on the role of Lyndon Johnson in the 1963 Coup d’Etat and they were BANNED from the History Channel because they were so accurate. LBJ aide Jack Valenti (CFR) organized a suppression campaign on the videos along with Lady Bird Johnson, Warren Commission con man Gerald Ford (CFR), Jimmy Carter (CFR) and Bill Moyers (CFR). Also, watch Jesse Ventura’s 2010 Conspiracy Theory show on the JFK assassination (on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUKPXR5TbQ ). In addition, I recommend JFK the movie by Oliver Stone, director’s cut. Oliver Stone, despite immense criticism in the MSM by CIA assets, pretty much nailed the JFK assassination. It was a full blown Coup d’Etat by Lyndon Johnson, the CIA and key elements of the U.S. military.

Robert Morrow Austin, TX 512-306-1510

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Lee:

Duncan and DVP are soul mates.

When they use the word "crap" it means anything they wish it to mean.

And with Gary, as Martin Hay just posted this is the bottom line:

"Absent proof of anything else, then the SBT must have happened, which is what and why the WC concluded what (sic) it did. Until there is proof countering that finding, history has spoken." - Gary Mack 9/9/10

Here he is asking us to swallow the physical and proven impossibility that the bullet found by Tomlinson and Wright is CE 399.

Which it is not.

This is not history, it is propaganda worthy of Pravda, USIA, or Orwell's Ministry of Truth.

I couldn't agree more, Jim.

Just another unnecessary thread to add to all the other unnecessary threads. Simply designed to split the debate and wear people down into complete and utter apathy on certain issues. Akin to the 400,000 Robert Harris "debates."

I wonder what Duncan's reaction would be if I opened a post with a simple proclamation that "everything Duncan writes is unqualified crap" and then posted a video that detailed one single issue.

Lee...

First off I cannot agree that the acceptance and even reality of the SBT removes a shooter from the grassy knoll blowing JFK's head off.... these two concepts are NOT mutually exclusive by any means.. and if you continue on from that sentence with Gary's POV... he gives strong credibility to the acoustics that place such a shot there... and in Badgeman who also would have shot JFK in the head from there if he actually exists... while at the same time carefully accepting and supporting the conclusions that keep him employed.

Amazes me how people such as yourself come to a thread, conclude that it's just another unecessary thread, read thru its posts and feel compelled to add a comment identifying it as such... DON'T view the Harris threads and DON'T involve yourself in threads you consider folly.... how hard is that? Instead, instigate and post responses that perpetuate the nonsense.

The "crap" Duncan refers to are things like Dean's comments because he doesn't like what Gary PMs him, or your insistence that GM has no redeeming value whatsoever...

Lee: "As far as I'm aware, Bill, Mr. Mack has said nothing publicly on any of those points in quite some time. Everything he says and does publicly - like on Inside the Target Car - supports the official story that Oswald acted alone. He might talk about the acoustics or badgemen or the fake SS agent in private but not at the museum or on the Discovery Channel. Which proves my point doesn't it?"

I believe this proves MY point Martin.... has VB, Myers, McAdams, Posner ever showed the slightest indication that something other than the WCR is gospel? Is it sad that he has to tow the company line? That the man has a DILEMNA that dove tails into OUR DILEMNA of not having a single, respectible, public CONVERT given the proponderance of evidence and that Gary may be the only chink in the armor at htis point....

Do you have anyone else in mind?

Finally, Robert's posts help identify what I saw as the problem/dilemna, that no one seems to want to address...

We still don't have a place that people can walk thru and experience that shows the 6th floor exhibits for what they are and presents the variety of Conspiracy ideas and the extensive evidence in their support....

We don't need conclusions in this museum... just the evidence.... a few "really? I didn't know that"'s and some coverage and who knows...maybe history does change.

Do you suppose they put up the proof that FDR/USA knew about Pearl Harbor at the Pearl Harbor museum? probably not

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Hey there Lee... sorry for telling you what to do, say post, etc....

Aways find it amusing though when a member comes onto a thread they feel is a waste of time and takes the time to post such a comment and completely ignores the point of the thread. This was never about what Gary says publically but the dilemna he faces and the cosequences for the CT community.

Would be nice though if you actually addressed any of the questions posed on either of these two new threads on Gary....

Who else do you have in mind, supporting the WCR, while at the same time publically accepting there are severe unresolved issues?

Who would you like as the spokesperson for all that is wrong here?

Now that we are looking more deeply at WHY as opposed to HOW... which is a great major step forward and why Jim's book is being read more widely imo.... it stays away from the CIA generated minutia and concentrates on HISTORY... the real history.

Yet once we have the HOW and the WHY - isn't the next step updating history? and how do we go about that?

This was never about Gary the person... but LN mouthpieces who may lend the greatest credibility to Oswald NOT being history's JFK assassin.

Respectfully

DJ

Martin....

missed shot, blew his head off... point is a very public LN, WCR supporter acknowledges a shot from the GK... as did the HSCA. A conspiracy is the natural byproduct of that conclusion.

A complete "exhibit" that explains WHY the HSCA concluded this and all the other "evidence" available supporting a shot or shots from the GK SHOULD be presented at the 6th floor... no?

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[First off I cannot agree that the acceptance and even reality of the SBT removes a shooter from the grassy knoll blowing JFK's head off.... these two concepts are NOT mutually exclusive by any means.. and if you continue on from that sentence with Gary's POV... he gives strong credibility to the acoustics that place such a shot there... and in Badgeman who also would have shot JFK in the head from there if he actually exists... while at the same time carefully accepting and supporting the conclusions that keep him employed.

Amazes me how people such as yourself come to a thread, conclude that it's just another unecessary thread, read thru its posts and feel compelled to add a comment identifying it as such... DON'T view the Harris threads and DON'T involve yourself in threads you consider folly.... how hard is that? Instead, instigate and post responses that perpetuate the nonsense.

The "crap" Duncan refers to are things like Dean's comments because he doesn't like what Gary PMs him, or your insistence that GM has no redeeming value whatsoever...

Lee: "As far as I'm aware, Bill, Mr. Mack has said nothing publicly on any of those points in quite some time. Everything he says and does publicly - like on Inside the Target Car - supports the official story that Oswald acted alone. He might talk about the acoustics or badgemen or the fake SS agent in private but not at the museum or on the Discovery Channel. Which proves my point doesn't it?"

I believe this proves MY point Martin.... has VB, Myers, McAdams, Posner ever showed the slightest indication that something other than the WCR is gospel? Is it sad that he has to tow the company line? That the man has a DILEMNA that dove tails into OUR DILEMNA of not having a single, respectible, public CONVERT given the proponderance of evidence and that Gary may be the only chink in the armor at htis point....

Do you have anyone else in mind?

Finally, Robert's posts help identify what I saw as the problem/dilemna, that no one seems to want to address...

We still don't have a place that people can walk thru and experience that shows the 6th floor exhibits for what they are and presents the variety of Conspiracy ideas and the extensive evidence in their support....

We don't need conclusions in this museum... just the evidence.... a few "really? I didn't know that"'s and some coverage and who knows...maybe history does change.

Do you suppose they put up the proof that FDR/USA knew about Pearl Harbor at the Pearl Harbor museum? probably not

You've got than wrong, mate. Gary does not believe that the fatal shot came from the knoll. He believes that there might have been a missed shot from behind the fence.

For the exact quote, here's Gary Mack (at about the 5:50 mark) in JFK: Inside the Target Car. . .

"If anything, we found that, if there was a shot from the grassy knoll, that shooter missed."

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You obviously felt it necessary to open up another thread, rather than add your comment to the previously current "Gary Mack" thread.

The other thread addresses an alleged dilemna concerning Gary Mack's opinion of the assassination and the events surrounding the assassination.

This thread addresses the fact that there is no dilemna concerning Gary Mack's opinion of the assassination and the events surrounding the assassination.

I originally started the JFK Forum to help people carrying out research into the case. I think it has been fairly successful at doing this. However, it has been a victim of its own success. We now get a large number of postings every day. The search-engine on the forum is not terribly good. For example, it does not let you search for more than one word at a time. Much of the excellent information available is rarely accessed. Also, new members often start new threads on subjects that have been discussed before. It would be far better if they added this information to existing threads.

....It would therefore help me if before you start a new thread you check to see if the subject is already being discussed. If it is, please add your comments to the original thread.

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Only asked you to comment on the original purpose of the thread as you are already here.... and yes, it would have been better if Duncan posted his video on the original thread.... as for answering FOR him... I was not... I was posting a reply on a public forum...

The mis-attributed quote was not intentional... as a simple hack amateur researcher enthusiast I do get sloppy from time to time... but I dont get onto threads just to say what a waste of time they are.

I'll do what I can to try and start threads and make points that Mr. Lee Farley feels is worth his time and effort to read and comment upon... :blink: so sorry to have wasted your precious time. I'm quite sure each and every thread you've participated in prior to this has been more to your intellectual tastes...

No moaning going on at all, Lee. Amusement is all I can muster in this instance.

I still believe that since Gary DOES assist many on this forum, as well as disturb, he represents a unique breed and I challenge you to show us another WCR supporter in any position of importance that accepts some of the limitations of the "official position" and who might ultimately champion that position?

If the recognized support of a Gary Mack type person was put behind all the evidence against the official version... a JFK II from Stone, if you will... I believe we as a CT community would be very well served.

I struggle with his PM's and emails as well.

From what I've seen happen to other conspiracy theorists on this forum from supposed "CT supporters" I can't imagine any reason Gary would subject himself to that. Robert Morrow's position is well presented and well documented... his passion for it seems to know no bounds... I don't know that it has a place on every thread he posts on... but the passion he brings is not a bad thing.

And thanks Michael - and John... I went to the Forum Index and found there is no listing for Gary Mack and as I read thru some of the PAST threads, it's always about Gary Mack the man and not his position or the bigger issue of

1 - accurately presenting the CT evidence in the same manner as the LN evidence at the museum (not just selling conspiracy books) or

2 - determining the interest in a CT Museum for just that purpose....

the thread I started had to do with the resulting dilemna he faces and the challenges/opportunities a person like GMack presents...

If you or anyone else feels we have a better "friend" on the LN "government story" side... please enlighten us.

DJ

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Robert

It's difficult to say this without sounding rude but I'm afraid your posts are sincerely beginning to get on my nerves.

I think most of us here are well aware of your "thoughts" regarding the assassination and who you believe was involved. It's all getting a bit repetitive now. I'd be very surprised if there's anyone left who wanted your LBJ/CIA killed Kennedy file who hasn't already requested it.

I did meet you briefly in Dallas in November and in person you appeared to be quite level headed but unfortunately your posts have a hint of unchecked and unregulated mania about them. I don't know whether anyone would agree with me on this point and quite frankly I don't care. It's something I've been putting off saying for a number of weeks.

If you're contacting Police departments, City Mayors, and God knows what other type of institutions in the same way and with the same tone as your posts then I really believe you're probably doing the critical community more harm than good.

I would also concur with Michael Hogan's recent feedback he gave you concerning reading some of the books you keep "advertising" because the impression you've projected inside my own mind is, at the moment, quite unfavorable. Most of the members here get up in arms when it comes to DVP unfavorably "reviewing" books on Amazon that he hasn't read. Why should we expect anything less when it is a "critic" proclaiming the greatness of books that they obviously haven't read?

I'm sorry if my position may sound a little harsh but there really isn't any other way to say it. If DVP was acting like this I'd be all over it like a rash. I'm sure there would be quite a queue.

Lee

Thank you Lee!

I feel the same way, but Robert seems to think im a nobody sitting in the peanut gallary (Whatever the hell that means)

I agree with you 100%, Robert is hurting the CT movement, not helping it

He has admitted himself that he has only read like 5 books on the assassination from cover to cover

The rest he has just "skimmed" through, he also said that reading a book on the assassination from cover to cover was a huge waste of time

Whats crazy is that only a small handful of us have called him out on it

Then he ranks these books, reviews them and recommends them to other researchers

To me that is a complete slap in the face to researcher like you and me who do read the books that we have in our home libraries

Robert you need to CHILL OUT, stop calling the DPD and the Mayor (which to me is just hilarious :lol: )and stop posting your top 1000 lists and stop trying to shove you LBF file down everyones throat

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I HIGHLY recommend that folks take a tour of that laughable beyond belief Sixth Floor Museum where Gary Mack is the curator/propagandist. Why inhale this garbage? Because you need to study the enemy's propaganda.

It is all about blaming it on US intelligence agent Oswald... without telling you he was US intelligence. "3 shots fired" blared over and over and over again. FBI model mock up of Dealey Plaza with lines of string drawn from the phantom sniper's nest representing shots of the phantom shooter in the phantom window. Nothing about a kill shot from the Grassy Knoll.

That God awful Navy artist drawing of JFK's head - that the FBI artist drew without seeing the autopsy photos. Nothing about the Warren Commission being a joke.

When the Sickth Floor exhibit does microscopically touch on conspiracies to murder JFK, it highlights the whopper ones: 1) Russians 2) Fidel Casto of Cuba 3) SPACE ALIENS.

I swear to Gawd, they are talking about SPACE ALIENS .... SPACE ALIENS as an example of a conspiracy theory.

The Sixth Floor Museum needs to include the following material:

(I will mail anyone my "LBJ and CIA killed JFK" file. Just send me an email to Morrow321@aol.com)

There are a lot of good web links and other info in this file. I would SKIM it first and see what catches your eye. Also, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to call me at 512-306-1510. Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy in the 1963 Coup dEtat. (People like Clint Murchison Sr., H.L. Hunt, Nelson Rockefeller, David Rockefeller, top Nelson Rockefeller aide Henry Kissinger, George Herbert Walker Bush and Gen. Edward Lansdale all are excellent candidates for elite sponsorship.) Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may very well have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination; with the CIA in charge of the killing of JFK, and Lyndon Johnson and (his close friend and neighbor of 19 years in Washington, DC) FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the cover up.

Clint Murchison, Sr more so than even H.L. Hunt was a key player in the JFK assassination because of his close ties to the inner core of US intelligence (Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, John J. McCloy), close ties to Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, bankers Rockefellers; Murchison was even friends with key Kennedy-hater mafia godfather Carlos Marcellos of New Orleans. Not only that, Murchison, Sr. was a patient and partner of Dr. Alton Oschner, the former president of the American Cancer Society and who ran covert cancer research for the CIA. Oschner, likewise was a Kennedy-hater. John Simkin: One of Ochsner's friends described him as being like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence.

The Warren Commission should have really been called the Allen Dulles Commission because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). John J. McCloy was a Rockefeller man, former head of Chase Manhattan bank, and very deep US intelligence since the OSS days. John J. McCloys nickname was Chairman of the American Establishment, and he mixed at the highest levels of business, intelligence and he was close to the Kennedy-hating Texas business elite. Cover up artist Gerald Ford was secretly reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. In 1970, Newsweek called Gerald Ford the CIAs man in Congress. The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA.

The CIA has been called the military wing of the CFR; and actually that is not too far from the truth. The CFR was in its heyday from 1950-1990.

Here is an absolutely spectacular article why the National Security State murdered John Kennedy: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/marshall10.1.html John Kennedy was despised by and did not control his CIA nor his Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Lyndon Johnsons reasons to murder were out of his deep desperation and fear of what would become of him after his imminent expulsion from the 1964 Democratic ticket and his fears of going to jail over the exploding Bobby Baker scandal. LIFE magazine, being fed extremely damaging info by Robert Kennedy, was set to run an expose on Lyndon Johnsons corruption that would blow him out of the water once and for all (Dec. 6th issue, but due to be printed and mailed on 11/29/63: source James Wagenvoord who worked at LIFE then). Bobby Baker was the protégé of a wildly corrupt LBJ in the Senate; Lyndon Johnson was like both a dad and a big brother to Bobby Baker (who named two of his children after LBJ: Lynda and Lyndon). Both Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Baker were receiving tremendous amounts of under-the-table money while Johnson was running the Senate. The Kennedys and LIFE Magazine were literally days away from politically executing Lyndon Johnson with the rope of the unraveling Bobby Baker scandal. After vaporizing the despised Lyndon Johnson, John Kennedy was going to replace LBJ most likely with Terry Sanford of North Carolina or possibly his good friend George Smathers of Florida as VP on the 1964 Democratic ticket.

The Kennedys and Lyndon Johnson were having a sub rosa fight: Jack and Robert Kennedy brought knives to the battle and Lyndon Johnson brought guns and it was settled on 11/22/63 at 12:30 PM in Dallas.

Lately, I have been studying the role of McGeorge Bundy, the National Security Advisor for JFK and Henry Cabot Lodge, JFKs insubordinate ambassador to Vietnam who Kennedy was planning to fire on Monday, 11/25/63. It is probable that both McGeorge Bundy and Henry Cabot Lodge were involved some way with the JFK assassination. McGeorge Bundy, astonishingly, was already drafting sharp escalations to JFKs Vietnam policy NSAM 273 (which JFK would not have approved) on 11/21/63, the night before the 1963 Coup dEtat! Bundy later ran the Ford Foundation from 1966-1979.

JFKs Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, who ran the Rockefeller Foundation from 1952-1961, and was also a hawk on Vietnam, is another one who merits close scrutiny in the Coup of 1963. Kennedy had appointed Rusk because it was unlikely that the Senate would confirm JFKs first choice J. William Fulbright, who later became a prominent opponent of the Vietnam War. After the 1963 Coup dEtat, Rusk lasted through all the blood and guts of Vietnam and all the way through Jan., 1969, as Johnsons Secretary of State. Walt Rostow (CFR), another Vietnam hawk, replaced McGeorge Bundy (CFR) as National Security Advisor in 1966. The CFR and the Rockefellers, not John Kennedy, lusted for the Vietnam War.

The midlevel murderers (field operations) of JFK would include CIA guys like Richard Helms, James Angleton, E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, William King Harvey and David Atlee Phillips. Deputy Harry Weatherford is a good candidate to have been on the Records Building as a sniper. Influential mobster Johnny Roselli was especially close friends with the CIAs William King Harvey, a rabid Kennedy hater. The most likely mafia godfathers involved would be Carlos Marcello and Santos Trafficante, particularly in the Jack Ruby murder of Oswald and perhaps in the JFK Assassination as well and other murders in the post assassination cover up.

We now know Lyndon Johnson was far worse than he is presented in current biographies. Far beyond ballot stuffing, bribery, massive under-the-table kickbacks, and being a consummate and pathological xxxx, Lyndon Johnson was murdering a lot of people in Texas to cover up his eye popping corruption. A prime example is the murder of US agricultural official Henry Marshall in June, 1961, and who then Vice President Lyndon Johnson arranged to have murdered. In the 1980s, Billie Sol Estes, a close and corrupt partner of LBJ, began confessing to the murders that he, Lyndon Johnson, Cliff Carter and LBJs personal hit man Malcolm Wallace committed. Lyndon Johnson, a manic depressive and at times a barely functioning psychopath - murdered perhaps 10-20 people to avoid exposure before he got his knife wet with John Kennedys blood.

My current thinking on US intelligence agent Lee Harvey Oswald is that he was indeed involved in the JFK assassination, but he was a patsy who shot NO ONE that day, neither John Kennedy nor Officer J.D. Tippit. Both murders were complete frame jobs. Oswald was a fake defector to Russia and his behavior in New Orleans 1963 was all about Oswalds sheep dipping as he passed out pro-Castro flyers and pretended to be a pro-Castro Marxist. Meanwhile Oswald was working in concert in New Orleans with folks like David Ferrie and Guy Bannister whose politics were the equivalent of a 1960s Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms. Oswalds fake public persona as a pro-Casto Marxist meant that he was an ideal pick as a patsy and his likely knowledge of and/or participation in the JFK Assassination meant that he had to be murdered quickly. The folks who killed Oswald wanted a dead Red not a talking head. The JFK assassination was a deception provocation intended to facilitate a US military invasion of Cuba. It was that bad and ugly. A US invasion of Cuba might have provoked a broader war with Russia and from the point of view of some like Air Force General Curtis LeMay that was fine because, astoundingly, he wanted to wage and win a nuclear WWIII. Curtis LeMay hated Kennedy so much that a child could have recruited him into a plot to kill Kennedy. LeMay told Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis that he was an appeaser equivalent to Neville Chamberlain for not bombing Cuba.

That was the pool of sharks John Kennedy was swimming in: a desperate and psychopathic serial killer Vice-President Lyndon Johnson who was literally murdering a string of people down in Texas and who was waging a sub rosa war with the Kennedys, an out-of-control CIA hell bent on a coup; an FBI director Hoover who detested JFK and who was close friends with LBJ, and a JCS military brass who wanted to invade Cuba, wage the war in Vietnam, and Curtis Lemay who, according to Robert McNamara, wanted to wage full scale nuclear war with Russia, giving them the Sunday punch while the USA still had first strike capability. Add to that the white hot mafia hatred that Robert Kennedy was engendering with his prosecutions. This same mafia had been working hand in glove with their friends the CIA to take out Castro in Cuba. Think of these enemies of JFK as fasces: a bundle of wooden sticks with an axe blade emerging from the center, which is an image that traditionally symbolizes summary power and jurisdiction, and/or strength through unity.

The elite domestic murderers of JFK did it for many reasons, both personal and ideological. At the core it was Lyndon Johnson, the CIA, and the shadow government of Texas oil barons and the Rockefellers. It was not either/or the Western Cowboys or the Eastern Yankees who murdered John Kennedy: it was the elites of both.

I am always will to learn and I am always willing to change my mind. Two excellent books to read on the JFK assassination are 1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFKs Assassination (2010) by Phillip Nelson http://www.lbj-themastermind.com/ and 2) JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters (2008) by James Douglass. Review: http://www.ctka.net/2008/jfk_unspeakable.html Another important review of Douglass: http://bigpeace.com/dladams/2010/12/18/so-alone-jfk-and-the-unspeakable/

Richard Nixon knew the dirty truth about the JFK assassination, but I do not think he was directly involved. In fact, when Nixon was under intense Watergate pressure, his firewall strategy as recorded on the smoking gun tape was to ominous say dont investigate me because it you do the President believes that this is going to open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing again an obvious reference to the JFK assassination. Nixons aide Dean Burch said that when George Herbert Walker Bush heard that He broke out in assholes and xxxx himself to death.

Without a doubt, top honors for being biggest source for disinformation on the Coup of 1963 has been the NY Times whose reporting on the JFK assassination has been the equivalent of 1950s Soviet style propaganda, i.e. completely fraudulent and parroting the 1960s fantastic whoppers of LBJ, FBI, CIA and the Warren Commission. CBS News, ABC News, the Washington Post and the former LIFE magazine and CIA assets in other major media have been equally bad. LIFE Magazine actually bought the rights to the Zapruder film early on and never showed it once to the American people in video form., which would have revealed the incriminating back and to the left head snap of John Kennedy, all but proving a kill shot from the Grassy Knoll (grassy knoll shooting area being an extremely close 33 yards away from JFK). Finally, when American hero Robert Groden showed the Zapruder film on Geraldo on ABC in 1975, millions of Americans knew without a doubt what a sham the Warren Commission was.

A special word about the Council on Relations role in the 1963 Coup dEtat and cover up: no other organization has been more responsible for the murder and cover up of John Kennedy than the CFR. Elite CFR members such as Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller and George Herbert Walker Bush were probably sponsors of the JFK assassination. Certainly leadership CFR members such as Allen Dulles, John J. McCloy, and Gerald Ford played the most critical roles in the Warren Commission farce. Add in cover up roles played by Nelson Rockefeller (CFR), Henry Kissinger (CFR), McGeorge Bundy (CFR), Nicholas Katzenbach (CFR), Jack Valenti (CFR), Bill Moyers (CFR), William Coleman (CFR) James Reston NY Times (CFR), Anthony Lewis NY Times (CFR), Dan Rather CBS (CFR), Peter Jennings (CFR), Daniel Schorr (CFR), Kenneth Gilmore Readers Digest (CFR), Stephen Rosenfeld Washington Post (CFR), Bobbie Ray Inman (CFR), … the list is almost endless. Note two things: 1) they are the key establishment players of BOTH major political parties spanning decades 2) their power and influence is directly proportional to the fantastic whoppers they tell about in the 1963 Coup dEtat. For the older CFR members it is a case of PARTICIPATION and COVER UP in the JFK assassination. For the younger ones such as George Will (CFR), Charles Krauthammer (CFR), David Gergen (CFR), John Segenthaler (CFR), Michael Beschloss (CFR) it is a case of WILLFUL IGNORANCE as they still push the Big Lie. Note: Chris Matthews of Hardball, another willfully ignorant man, is close friends with Richard Haass, current president of CFR. I have never seen the highly acclaimed political guru Michael Barone, and Bilderberger attendee, ever say anything credible on the JFK assassination.

Question: do we really expect the CFR to admit that some of its elite members slaughtered John Kennedy and many more played integral roles in the cover up? No, but it is important to highlight that the Council on Foreign Relations has stunk up the place with tremendous amounts of radioactive horse manure relating to the 1963 Coup dEtat.

The Discovery Channel has put out some incredibly bogus, poorly done disinfo presentations such as Inside the Target Car. Any MSM site that features Vincent Bugliosi, Gerald Posner, especially Hugh Aynesworth, Gus Russo, Dale Meyers or Gary Mack prominently and positively is giving you counterfeit money. If you google JFK assassination the first 2 links that come up are lone nutter controlled disinfo sites: 1) Wikipedia 2) John McAdams site. John McAdams is a very lowly regarded man who basically controls JFK related content on Wikipedia as well as his own site. Both Wikipedia and the NY Times are both tremendously dishonest sources for information relating to the 1963 Coup dEtat. Finally, another major source of disinformation on the Coup of 1963 is the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, which blithely recycles the shredded vapors of the Warren Commission, as if it had an ounce of truth in it. Gary Mack, the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, simply does not have credibility on the JFK assassination.

In the near future there are going to be efforts by both Tom Hanks (HBO series) and Leonardo DiCaprio (a movie) to take on the JFK assassination. Sadly, these are both going to be disinformation efforts; the ONLY legitimate take on the JFK assassination is that it was a full blown coup detat. Tom Hanks is a clueless lone nutter.

The best discussion boards on the internet for good info are 1) Education Forum 2) Deep Politics Forum 3) JFKmurdersolved.com and 4) Mary Ferrell Foundation www.maryferrell.org 5) JFK Lancer. On Facebook, the premier spot is JFK-The Grassy Knoll Witnesses (run by Rusty Yardum) http://www.facebook.com/pages/JFK-The-Grassy-Knoll-Witnesses/115305938487641 . Black Op radios web site www.blackopradio.com (Len Osanic) is an excellent place to listen to high quality interviews with folks such as JFK expert Jim DiEugenio. Deep Politics Quarterly (Walt Brown) http://www.manuscriptservice.com/DPQ/ and www.ctka.net (Jim DiEugenio) are 2 other quality spots on the internet.

As for videos, I highly recommend going to You Tube and watching the extremely important The Men Who Killed Kennedy - (episodes 7, 8, and 9). Much of these episodes focus on the role of Lyndon Johnson in the 1963 Coup dEtat and they were BANNED from the History Channel because they were so accurate. LBJ aide Jack Valenti (CFR) organized a suppression campaign on the videos along with Lady Bird Johnson, Warren Commission con man Gerald Ford (CFR), Jimmy Carter (CFR) and Bill Moyers (CFR). Also, watch Jesse Venturas 2010 Conspiracy Theory show on the JFK assassination (on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUKPXR5TbQ ). In addition, I recommend JFK the movie by Oliver Stone, directors cut. Oliver Stone, despite immense criticism in the MSM by CIA assets, pretty much nailed the JFK assassination. It was a full blown Coup dEtat by Lyndon Johnson, the CIA and key elements of the U.S. military.

Robert Morrow Austin, TX 512-306-1510

Robert

It's difficult to say this without sounding rude but I'm afraid your posts are sincerely beginning to get on my nerves.

I think most of us here are well aware of your "thoughts" regarding the assassination and who you believe was involved. It's all getting a bit repetitive now. I'd be very surprised if there's anyone left who wanted your LBJ/CIA killed Kennedy file who hasn't already requested it.

I did meet you briefly in Dallas in November and in person you appeared to be quite level headed but unfortunately your posts have a hint of unchecked and unregulated mania about them. I don't know whether anyone would agree with me on this point and quite frankly I don't care. It's something I've been putting off saying for a number of weeks.

If you're contacting Police departments, City Mayors, and God knows what other type of institutions in the same way and with the same tone as your posts then I really believe you're probably doing the critical community more harm than good.

I would also concur with Michael Hogan's recent feedback he gave you concerning reading some of the books you keep "advertising" because the impression you've projected inside my own mind is, at the moment, quite unfavorable. Most of the members here get up in arms when it comes to DVP unfavorably "reviewing" books on Amazon that he hasn't read. Why should we expect anything less when it is a "critic" proclaiming the greatness of books that they obviously haven't read?

I'm sorry if my position may sound a little harsh but there really isn't any other way to say it. If DVP was acting like this I'd be all over it like a rash. I'm sure there would be quite a queue.

Lee

Well, Lee if you don't like my posts the don't read them. How hard can that be? I don't spend a whole lot of time reading Len Colby's posts or Duncan McRae's so those folks really don't bother me- I usually don't know what they are saying.

Secondly, what the Dallas police has been doing to Robert Groden is OUTRAGEOUS. What it is is official repression. They are trying to stomp on this 1st Amendment rights (that is free speech for us Americans). He has been unlawfully given 81 bogus tickets by a police and town hell bent on denying his free speech and also that same group is flacking for the murderers of John Kennedy. Btw judges have thrown all 81 of those tickets out of court. So it is BS. One day a few years ago, the Dept of Homeland Security showed up with MACHINE GUNS trying to intimidate this peaceful American hero off the Grassy Knoll. And guess who the joker is who is behind all this repression: none other than GARY MACK!! - who the police tell Robert Groden is behind all the pressure.

Too bad I have to restrain myself on this forum when talking about Gary Mack. So the question I have for YOU Lee Farley, what have you done to help truth teller and American hero Robert Groden lately? Ditto Dean Hagerman who says he is such a big fan of Robert Groden. My guess... NOTHING!

Also, thanks for bumping that Thomas Buchanan thread - what a truth teller that man was in real time in early 1964 when the murderers of JFK were at their full, dangerous power. I have updated my list of best JFK books to read ... and SKIM, or read selectively like I usually do:

Today's highlighted picks:

1) Brothers by David Talbot - a spectacular book

2) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh (which goes into great detail over how Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rayburn and Hoover were able to BLACKMAIL John Kennedy to put LBJ on the 1960 Democratic ticket

3) Who Killed Kennedy by Thomas Buchanan - written in early 1964 and got extremely close to the truth in the JFK assassination, fingering Texas oil, detailing JFK's back channels with Castro and other foresightful stuff.

1 LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK's Assassination Phillip F. Nelson

2 Blood, Money & Power: How L.B.J Killed J.F.K. Barr McClellan

3 Texas in the Morning: The Love Story of Madeleine Brown and President Lyndon Baines Johnson Madeleine Brown

4 Billie Sol Estes a Texas Legend Billie Sol Estes

5 Defrauding America: Encyclopedia of Secret Operations by the CIA, DEA and Other Covert Agencies Rodney Stich

6 The Men Who Killed Kennedy - the Guilty Men DVD, episodes 7,8,9 on YouTube Nigel Turner

7 Who Killed Kennedy? Thomas Buchanan

8 The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson Joachim Joesten

9 How Kennedy was Killed: The Full Appalling Story Joachim Joesten

10 The Men on the Sixth Floor Glen Sample & Mark Collum

11 Power Beyond Reason: The Mental Collapse of Lyndon Johnson D. Jablow Hershman

12 A Texan Looks at Lyndon: A Study in Illegitimate Power J. Evetts Haley

13 The Texas Connection Craig Zirbel

14 Who Shot JFK? Robin Ramsay

15 Jesse Ventura, Conspiracy Theory Jesse Ventura and Dick Russell

16 Me & Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald Judyth Vary Baker & Edward Haslam

17 Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story of the Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy, by His Lover Judyth Vary Baker

18 Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, the Powerful Forces That Put It in the White House, and What Their Influence Means for America Russ Baker

19 The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family Exposed Russell S. Bowen

20 Barry & 'the Boys': The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History Daniel Hopsicker

21 JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters James Douglass

22 To Kill a President: Finally an Ex-FBI Agent rips aside the Veil of Secrecy that killed JFK M. Wesley Smearingen

23 JFK - Director's Cut - 2 Disc Special Edition (1991) Oliver Stone

24 Oswald and the CIA John Newman

25 Bloody Treason: On Solving History's Greatest Murder Mystery: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy Noel H. Twyman

26 The Last Investigation Gaeton Fonzi

27 Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years David Talbot

28 Someone Would Have Talked Larry Hancock

29 The Man Who Knew Too Much: Hired to Kill Oswald and Prevent the Assassination of JFK Dick Russell

30 The Dark Side of Camelot Seymour Hersh

31 The Tatum Chronicles (Google Chip Tatum Pegasus for free on internet) D. G. "Chip Tatum"

32 Conspiracy: Who Killed President Kennedy? Anthony Summers

33 Not in Your Lifetime Anthony Summers

34 Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald and U.S. Intelligence Philip H. Melanson

35 Plausible Denial: Was the CIA Involved in the Assassination of JFK Mark Lane

36 History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, & the Murder of President Kennedy Martin Schotz

37 Edward Lansdale's Cold War Jonathan Nashel

38 JFK: The Cuba Files: The Untold Story of the Plot to Kill Kennedy (Secret War) Fabian Escalante

39 Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy Jim Marrs

40 The Secret Team: The CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World Fletcher Prouty

41 The Radical Right and the Murder of John F. Kennedy: Stunning Evidence in the Assassination of the President Harrison Livingstone

42 Who Killed JFK? Carl Oglesby

43 The Yankee and Cowboy War: Conspiracies from Dallas to Watergate Carl Oglesby

44 The JFK Assassination: The Facts and the Theories Carl Oglesby

45 The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider Al Martin

46 Lyndon B. Johnson: A Memoir George Reedy

47 JFK Conspiracy of Silence Charles Crenshaw

48 Trauma Room One: The JFK Medical Coverup Exposed Charles Crenshaw

49 The Grassy Knoll Witnesses: Who Shot JFK? Harry A. Yardum

50 Flight from Dallas: New Evidence of CIA Involvement in the Murder of John F. Kennedy James Johnston and Jon Roe

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I forgot to mention how Gary Mack and his guru Dave Perry used to disrupt Jim Marrs' classes on the JFK assassination to such a degree that Jim Marrs had to CANCEL the class because Mack and Perry were acting like such jackasses.

Apparently, according to Jim Marrs, Gary Mack and Dave Perry, were very vocal, disruptive, making a point of asking hostile questions to the guests who Jim Marrs would invite to his class on the JFK assassination.

Basically, these 2 were being provacateurs and trying to take over the class, to the detriment of learning in the class. They were acting just like S.V. Anderson does on any discussion board. The behavior of Gary Mack and Dave Perry became intolerable to such a degree that Jim Marrs was forced to CANCEL the class. I would guess Mack and Perry were happy about that: mission accomplished.

Talk to your older, experienced researchers. Almost to a man (or woman) they will tell you what a snake Gary Mack is. Oh, he will be really chummy and nice to you - because you are young and green and don't know what Mack's REAL agenda is: which is to co-opt you and steer you off on the wrong direction.

And from what I understand in the Dave Perry/Gary Mack relationship, Dave Perry is the dominant one and Gary Mack is the subservient one. Dave Perry is the power behind the scenes of Gary Mack, according to several long time researchers who have dealt with these jokers for decades.

Just warning ya!

(One more thing - Gary Mack is the one who is behind all this harassment, intimidation and oppression that the Dallas police have been doing to Robert Groden for years. Gary Mack wants to stomp out truthtellers on the Grassy Knoll. When the Dept. of Homeland Security showed up with MACHINE GUNS to harass/intimidate Robert Groden -- you can bet Gary Mack was the joker making the phone calls to put them there. Yeah, real chummy guy that Gary Mack!)

PPS: Gary Mack, in coordination with the Dallas police harassment/oppression effort, has caused tremendous personal damage to truth teller and American national hero Robert Groden. Do you think all those 81 court appearances with bogus police citations are free? No they are not. They are extremely costly in respect to time, money and emotional distress. As was loss of freedom this past June when Robert Groden was ARRESTED on bogus charges for using his freedom of speech. How would you like to be in jail for 2 days on garbage harassment bogus charges. Robert Groden has very little money and significant legal bills, perhaps over $160,000. For a guy with no money. What the Dallas police and city of Dallas has done to Robert Groden is absolutely criminal ... and thank God this courageous man is suing them in federal court for their infringements on his civil and Constitutional rights.

And by the way, I do call the Dallas police department and the Dallas mayor's office and let them know in very clear terms what I think of their criminal behavior.

"The same Dallas police department who let Jack Ruby silence Lee Harvey Oswald, is the same police department who want to silence Robert Groden."

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Lee and I tell you the things that you do that drive members crazy and what do you do?

You go and post your "Top 50 Books on the 1963 Coup d'etat that I have NOT read"

Now your just trying to be a smart ass and piss members off on purpose

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The truth on Gary Mack is, no matter what he believes, he posts on this forum through surrogates ["sock puppets"], which is in violation of the rules of the forum as I understand them. He claims that his position at th museum requires him to remain "above the fray," while the truth is his back-channel communications are virtually non-stop. He monitors all at this forum, and on occasion dispatches others to say what his "position" apparently denies him the privilege of saying.

My complaint with Gary is, at what point does his Howard Hughes act become a Clifford Irving farce? And how do we know when it does...if it hasn't already?

In a nutshell, why isn't Gary Mack required to speak for Gary Mack?

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My complaint with Gary is, at what point does his Howard Hughes act become a Clifford Irving farce? And how do we know when it does...if it hasn't already?

Very well said Mark!

I bet Gary Mack has the huge 6th floor museum freezer full of Bannana Ripple Ice Cream that he eats all day long while watching "Ice Station Zebra" over and over.

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The truth on Gary Mack is, no matter what he believes, he posts on this forum through surrogates ["sock puppets"], which is in violation of the rules of the forum as I understand them.

Can you name just one of the "sock puppets" who has posted on behalf of, and at the request of Gary Mack?

Bill Miller is one.

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