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On 3 Feb 2009 01:26:36 -0500, Brokedad <...@aol.com

1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

2. The Warren Commission is an intentional subversion of the factual

truths.

3. LHO was an absolutely excellent shot when shooting at targets of less

than 500 yards and shooting from a fixed/stable firing position. When he

entered into the USMC he was firing within the EXPERT range, and when he

completed his basic rifle qualification, at this type firing position, he

fired in the UPPER ranges of EXPERT. (within the 94th to 96th percentile

rating)

4. The Model 91/38 Carcano Short rifle is an absolutely accurate weapon.

In fact, it fires on a comparable accuracy with the US issue M-14 rifle,

which is the basis for many of our current sniper weapons.

5. One can not state as fact that there was not a full "A-Team" of

snipers shooting at JFK on 11/22/63. However, one can state with absolute

accuracy that in the event that there was more than one shooter, then one

of the shooters completely missed everything and everyone, as:

6. JFK was struck by shots which were fired from ONLY above and behind.

7. Three shots were fired from the sixth floor window of the TSDB, and

each of the three shots fired struck JFK.

8. Of those shots fired, the second shot/aka Z313 as well as the third

shot/aka that shot which struck directly in front of James Altgens

location, both struck JFK in the head.

9. To a relatively high degree of probability, and for the most part

beyond any reasonable doubt, LHO was the shooter responsible for these

three shots.

10. Despite this, the WC remains an intentional subversion of the simple

fact: Three shots were fired, and all three shots struck their target.

(exactly why would anyone think otherwise?)

11. Despite what some may attempt to feed you, the shooting feat in

Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 was a relatively simple feat, and factually, does

not represent that great of a shooting feat.

12. The longest shot fired, being the third shot impact directly in front

of James Altgens position, was only 297 feet in distance.

13. There is absolutely nothing complicated in regards to the

shooting/shots fired in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63. The difficuly lies in

unraveling all of the LIES of the Warren Commission in their attempt to

cover up the simple facts. Three shots fired---Three hits.

14. There was no "THE SHOT THAT MISSED", and anyone who is foolish enough

to have fallen for and believed this, no doubt also fell for and believed

the SBT as promoted by the WC as well.

15. There is absolutely ZERO proof or evidence of any mythological

creatures and/or beings such as multiple assassins; body snatchers; easter

bunnies; the tooth fairy, or any other such creations of the imagination,

being loose and running around Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.

16. The "Six Groove Bullet" only has four grooves created by rifling in

the weapon.

17. The "Bottom Mount" sling swivel in the backyard photo's, is not a

Bottom Mount sling swivel.

18. LHO absolutely was engaged in a variety of secretive and

clandestine/covert activities. As to whether these activities were

ultimately directed at JFK or whether LHO of his on volition took it upon

himself to shoot JFK can not be determined, primarily as a result of the

complete failuire of the WC to pursue and investigate this subject.

19. The "Giant Conspiracy" which many of the CT community frequently

refer to and which often includes virtually half of the US Government as

well as in inumerable amount of other, is BS. There exists absolutely ZERO

evidence to indicate that any portion of the US Government had anything to

do with the assassination of JFK.

20. As stated, the WC is an ultimate misrepresentation of the simple

facts, three shots fired, and three hits on JFK. Nevertheless, this

misrepresentation/aka lie, has absolutely nothing to do with any

association to the actual assassination. It was purely a "POLITICAL"

maneuever.

Lastly, rest assured that those who claim to have the ability for self

thought and deductive reasoning, yet nevertheless attempt to promote the

WC's fantasies, are, far more misguided and gullible than those who know

that something is wrong with the WC solution and in their attempts to

understand have chosen the misguided pathway of multiple assassins and

body snatchers/aka wound alteration specialists.

Tom Purvis

aka/one of the Simkin Monkeys

Shot#2/aka Z313:-----------------------Survey Stationing 4+65.3

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0464b.h tm

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg

Shot#3/aka directly in front of James Altgens location: Survey

Stationing 4+95 (what was actually surveyed in for the US Secret

Service assassination reenactment of December 1963, as well as the

later FBI assassination reenactment of 2/7/64.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0449a.h tm

Mr. ALTGENS - This would put me at approximately this area here, which

would be about 15 feet from me at the time he was shot in the head--

about 15 feet from the car on the west side of the car--on the side

that Mrs. Kennedy was riding in the car.

(note: Elm St. is 40-feet wide. As JFK passed directly in front of

James Altgens, he was approximately 20-feet from Altgens position)

Mr. ALTGENS - Well, it sounded like it was coming up from behind the

car from my position--I mean the first shot, and being fireworks--who

counts fireworks explosions? I wasn't keeping track of the number of

pops that took place, but I could vouch for No. 1, and I can vouch for

the last shot, but I cannot tell you how many shots were in between.

There was not another shot fired after the President was struck in the

head. That was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree

of certainty.

=======================

Additional note: Without going into great detail and quoting them

all, there are multiple witnesses who observed the Z313 impact and so

testified that it was the SECOND SHOT fired.

The single best of these being:

Mr. HUDSON - Well there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age

about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to

park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place

over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and

said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat

there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston

onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left

side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of

course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at

that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade had

done got further on down Elm, and you see, I was trying to get a good

look at President Kennedy. I happened to be looking right at him when

that bullet hit him - the second shot.

Mr. LIEBELER - That was when the bullet hit him in the head; is that

correct?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it looked like it ht him somewhere along about a

little bit behind the ear and a little bit above the ear.

Mr. LIEBELER - On the right-hand side or the left-hand side?

Mr. HUDSON - Right hand.

Mr. LIEBELER - You say that it was the second shot that hit him in the

head; is that right?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I do believe that - I know it was.

Mr. LIEBELER - You saw him hit in the head, there wasn't any question

in your mind about that, was there?

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER - And after you saw him hit in the head, did you here

another shot?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see that shot hit anything - the third shot?

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.

Mr. HUDSON - Yes; so right along about even with these steps, pretty

close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere

right along in there.

Note: James Altgens was standing across Elm St, across from "these

steps"..

====================================================================

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z349.jpg

Mr. ALTGENS - Because I didn't see who fired it. After the

Presidential car moved a little past me, I took another picture--now,

just let me back up here--I was prepared to make a picture at the very

instant the President was shot. I had refocused to 15 feet because I

wanted a good closeup of the President and Mrs. Kennedy, and that's

why I know that it would be right at 15 feet, because I had prefocused

in that area, and I had my camera almost to my eye when it happened

and that's as far as I got with my camera.

Mr. ALTGENS - Yes. What made me almost certain that the shot came from

behind was because at the time I was looking at the President, just as

he was struck, it caused him to move a bit forward. He seemed as if at

the time----well, he was in a position-- sort of immobile. He wasn't

upright. He was at an angle but when it hit him, it seemed to have

just lodged--it seemed as if he were hung up on a seat button or

something like that. It knocked him just enough forward that he came

right on down. There was flesh particles that flew out of the side of

his head in my direction from where I was standing,

====================================

However! One just may want to see what the WC had to say about all

this.

Mr. SPECTER. I ask you to state what that album depicts.

Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is an album that I prepared of black and white

photographs made of the majority of the frames in the Zapruder

film----

Mr. SPECTER. Starting with what frame number?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. Starting with frame 171, going through frame 334.

Mr. SPECTER. And why did you start with frame 171?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is the frame that the slides start from. This was

an arbitrary frame number that was decided on as being far enough back

to include the area that we wanted to study.

Mr. SPECTER. Is that a frame where President Kennedy comes into full

view after the motorcade turns left off of Houston onto Elm Street?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes, yes.

Mr. SPECTER. And how was the ending point of that frame sequence,

being No. 334, fixed?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. It was fixed as several frames past the shot that hit

the President in the head. Frame 313 is the frame showing the shot to

the President's head, and it ends at 334.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z334.jpg

Nope! No Altgens here.

Most unusual since the US Secret Service as well as the FBI have, of

record, indicated that the third shot impacted directly in front of

James Altgens.

One would think that this would be of some relevance. Especially

since Lyndal Shaneyfelt clearly marked the third shot impact location

as well as the Altgens position which was exactly five feet prior to

the yellow curb mark and exactly at a construction joint location in

the concrete curb.

Sorry Folks! This is so simple and easy that a "Caveman" could figure

it out.

And, that goes for the facts of the assassination as well as all of

the manipulations which the WC went to in order to make a shot

completely disappear from the radar screen and then sell highly

gullible persons on "THE SHOT THAT MISSED" and the SBT scenario.

Tom Purvis

"Politicians, not unlike Magicians, can make things disappear!"

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On 3 Feb 2009 01:26:36 -0500, Brokedad <...@aol.com

1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

2. The Warren Commission is an intentional subversion of the factual

truths.

3. LHO was an absolutely excellent shot when shooting at targets of less

than 500 yards and shooting from a fixed/stable firing position. When he

entered into the USMC he was firing within the EXPERT range, and when he

completed his basic rifle qualification, at this type firing position, he

fired in the UPPER ranges of EXPERT. (within the 94th to 96th percentile

rating)

4. The Model 91/38 Carcano Short rifle is an absolutely accurate weapon.

In fact, it fires on a comparable accuracy with the US issue M-14 rifle,

which is the basis for many of our current sniper weapons.

5. One can not state as fact that there was not a full "A-Team" of

snipers shooting at JFK on 11/22/63. However, one can state with absolute

accuracy that in the event that there was more than one shooter, then one

of the shooters completely missed everything and everyone, as:

6. JFK was struck by shots which were fired from ONLY above and behind.

YOU CAN'T DISCOUNT THE SHOT FROM THE FRONT, AS INDICATED CLEARLY

BY THE WITNESSES PRESENT, THE TAPE RECORDING OF THE SOUNDS OF THE

SHOTS, AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THE ZAPRUDER FILM THAT INDICATES

A SHOT FROM THE FRONT, AS WELL AS THE TESTIMONY OF ROBINSON, THE

MORTICIAN WHO RECORDED A SMALL ENTRANCE WOUND ABOVE THE RIGHT

EYE AND ALL THOSE WHO SAW AN EXIT WOUND TO THE BACK OF THE HEAD.

7. Three shots were fired from the sixth floor window of the TSDB, and

each of the three shots fired struck JFK.

THIS OF COURSE IGNORES THE REPORTS OF MISSED SHOTS THAT EITHER

STRUCK DIRT OR CONCRETE AND SUBSEQUENTLY HIT JAMES TAGUE, AND

CONNALLY'S WOUNDS, UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THE SINGLE BULLET THEORY.

8. Of those shots fired, the second shot/aka Z313 as well as the third

shot/aka that shot which struck directly in front of James Altgens

location, both struck JFK in the head.

SO YOU SAY JFK WAS HIT IN THE HEAD TWICE - THAT'S TWO TIMES?

9. To a relatively high degree of probability, and for the most part

beyond any reasonable doubt, LHO was the shooter responsible for these

three shots.

THIS IS YOUR MOST TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE STATEMENT, SINCE

OSWALD COULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE SIXTH FLOOR SHOOTER IF

HE WAS SEEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR BY DPD POLICE OFFICER BAKER,

THROUGH THE WINDOW OF THE CLOSED DOOR. IF IT WAS CLOSED, AS

TRULY, AHEAD OF BAKER DIDN'T SEE OSWALD, HE DIDN'T GO THROUGH

THAT DOOR, DIDN'T DESCEND THE STAIRS AND ENTERED THE SECOND

FLOOR LUNCHROOM THROUGH THE SOUTH DOOR, AND THEREFORE WAS

ON THE FIRST OR SECOND FLOOR AT THE TIME OF THE ASSASSINATION,

AS HE SAID HE WAS AND OTHERS HAVE CONFIRMED, HAVING SAW HIM.

10. Despite this, the WC remains an intentional subversion of the simple

fact: Three shots were fired, and all three shots struck their target.

(exactly why would anyone think otherwise?)

BECAUSE THERE WERE ONE OR TWO MISSED SHOTS THAT ALSO HIT

GRASS AND CONCRETE AND IF IT WASN'T YOUR SIXTH FLOOR SNIPER,

WHO WASN'T OSWALD, WHO TOOK THOSE SHOTS?

11. Despite what some may attempt to feed you, the shooting feat in

Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 was a relatively simple feat, and factually, does

not represent that great of a shooting feat.

AGREED, BUT YOUR SUSPECT, LEE HARVEY OSWALD, AS IS CLEARLY

DEMONSTRATED BY HIS BACKGROUND, WAS A COVERT INTELLIGENCE

AGENT, UNDERCOVER INFORMANT, INTERNATIONAL DEFECTOR AND

FALSE FLAG COMMUNIST WHO WAS CLEARLY SET UP TO BE THE PATSY.

HE WAS NOT A SHOOTER.

12. The longest shot fired, being the third shot impact directly in front

of James Altgens position, was only 297 feet in distance.

13. There is absolutely nothing complicated in regards to the

shooting/shots fired in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63. The difficuly lies in

unraveling all of the LIES of the Warren Commission in their attempt to

cover up the simple facts. Three shots fired---Three hits.

14. There was no "THE SHOT THAT MISSED", and anyone who is foolish enough

to have fallen for and believed this, no doubt also fell for and believed

the SBT as promoted by the WC as well.

15. There is absolutely ZERO proof or evidence of any mythological

creatures and/or beings such as multiple assassins; body snatchers; easter

bunnies; the tooth fairy, or any other such creations of the imagination,

being loose and running around Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.

NO, IT IS QUITE CLEAR AS TO WHAT HAPPENED, AS DEALEY PLAZA

AND THE TSBD WERE THE SCENES OF A COVERT INTELLIGENCE

OPERATION THAT WAS DESIGNED TO HIDE AND DISGUISE THOSE

ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED THERE, WHATEVER

IT IS YOU BELIEVE HAPPENED.

16. The "Six Groove Bullet" only has four grooves created by rifling in

the weapon.

17. The "Bottom Mount" sling swivel in the backyard photo's, is not a

Bottom Mount sling swivel.

18. LHO absolutely was engaged in a variety of secretive and

clandestine/covert activities. As to whether these activities were

ultimately directed at JFK or whether LHO of his on volition took it upon

himself to shoot JFK can not be determined, primarily as a result of the

complete failuire of the WC to pursue and investigate this subject.

JUST BECAUSE THE WARREN COMMISSION, NOR THE HSCA OR

ANY OTHER OFFICIAL BODY, OR INDEPENDENT RESEARCHERS LIKE

YOURSELF HAVE NOT DETERMINED WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, DOES

NOT MEAN THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE, AS IT CERTAINLY CAN BE, TO

A MORAL AND LEGAL CERTAINLY, WHEN AND IF ALL OF THE GOVERNMENT

RECORDS ARE RELEASED. BUT OF COURSE YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE

WHO BOUGHT THE OSWALD PATSY COVER STORY WILL OPENLY SUPPORT

THE RELEASE OF ALL THE GOVERNMENT RECORDS ON THE ASSASSINATION,

AND WOULD RATHER ARGUE AND DEBATE ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET.

19. The "Giant Conspiracy" which many of the CT community frequently

refer to and which often includes virtually half of the US Government as

well as in inumerable amount of other, is BS. There exists absolutely ZERO

evidence to indicate that any portion of the US Government had anything to

do with the assassination of JFK.

THE INTELLIGENCE NETWORK RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ASSASSINATION

OF JFK AT DEALEY PLAZA TOOK OVER THE GOVERNMENT OF THE USA,

AND STILL CONTROL POLICY AND POWER, AND CAN ACCURATELY BE

NARROWED DOWN TO A SMALL GROUP OF COVERT OPERATIVES WHO

WERE ALSO INVOLVED IN CUBAN OPERATIONS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN

THE CIA-MAFIA-DOD PLOTS TO KILL CASTRO, AND HAVE MAINTAINED THEIR

OPERATIONAL SECURITY SINCE THEN.

20. As stated, the WC is an ultimate misrepresentation of the simple

facts, three shots fired, and three hits on JFK. Nevertheless, this

misrepresentation/aka lie, has absolutely nothing to do with any

association to the actual assassination. It was purely a "POLITICAL"

maneuever.

YES, IT IS PURELY A POLITICAL MANEUVER TO KEEP THE FACTS AND RECORDS

FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, BUT YOU WOULD RATHER ARGUE ABOUT THE

DETAILS RATHER THAN JOIN THE EFFORT TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES BY HAVING

THE GOVERNMENT RELEASE ALL THE RECORDS NOW, RATHER THAN SOMETIME

IN THE FUTURE.

Lastly, rest assured that those who claim to have the ability for self

thought and deductive reasoning, yet nevertheless attempt to promote the

WC's fantasies, are, far more misguided and gullible than those who know

that something is wrong with the WC solution and in their attempts to

understand have chosen the misguided pathway of multiple assassins and

body snatchers/aka wound alteration specialists.

THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE MULTIPLE ASSASSINS, AS EVEN IF AS YOU ASSERT,

THAT OSWALD HIMSELF WAS THE LONE ASSASSIN, THEN HIS BACKGROUND AS

AN AGENT AND ASSET OF US INTELLIGENCE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVE

THAT WHATEVER IT IS YOU BELIEVE HAPPENED AT DEALEY PLAZA, IT WAS THE

WORK OF A VERY SOPHISTICATED COVERT INTELLIGENCE OPERATION, AND NOT

THE WORK OF A DERANGED LONE NUT.

Tom Purvis

"Politicians, not unlike Magicians, can make things disappear!"

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1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

Tom, I'm not so interested in your conclusions as to how you arrived at them. If one is convinced of fraud in the evidence, as am I, it would seem most of your points vanish rather quickly like smoke. So once again, as always, it is the integrity of the evidence that is at stake. By the way, did you mean: "The Warren Commission is not the factual truth?" Best Regards, Daniel

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On 3 Feb 2009 01:26:36 -0500, Brokedad <...@aol.com

1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

2. The Warren Commission is an intentional subversion of the factual

truths.

3. LHO was an absolutely excellent shot when shooting at targets of less

than 500 yards and shooting from a fixed/stable firing position. When he

entered into the USMC he was firing within the EXPERT range, and when he

completed his basic rifle qualification, at this type firing position, he

fired in the UPPER ranges of EXPERT. (within the 94th to 96th percentile

rating)

4. The Model 91/38 Carcano Short rifle is an absolutely accurate weapon.

In fact, it fires on a comparable accuracy with the US issue M-14 rifle,

which is the basis for many of our current sniper weapons.

5. One can not state as fact that there was not a full "A-Team" of

snipers shooting at JFK on 11/22/63. However, one can state with absolute

accuracy that in the event that there was more than one shooter, then one

of the shooters completely missed everything and everyone, as:

6. JFK was struck by shots which were fired from ONLY above and behind.

7. Three shots were fired from the sixth floor window of the TSDB, and

each of the three shots fired struck JFK.

8. Of those shots fired, the second shot/aka Z313 as well as the third

shot/aka that shot which struck directly in front of James Altgens

location, both struck JFK in the head.

9. To a relatively high degree of probability, and for the most part

beyond any reasonable doubt, LHO was the shooter responsible for these

three shots.

10. Despite this, the WC remains an intentional subversion of the simple

fact: Three shots were fired, and all three shots struck their target.

(exactly why would anyone think otherwise?)

11. Despite what some may attempt to feed you, the shooting feat in

Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 was a relatively simple feat, and factually, does

not represent that great of a shooting feat.

12. The longest shot fired, being the third shot impact directly in front

of James Altgens position, was only 297 feet in distance.

13. There is absolutely nothing complicated in regards to the

shooting/shots fired in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63. The difficuly lies in

unraveling all of the LIES of the Warren Commission in their attempt to

cover up the simple facts. Three shots fired---Three hits.

14. There was no "THE SHOT THAT MISSED", and anyone who is foolish enough

to have fallen for and believed this, no doubt also fell for and believed

the SBT as promoted by the WC as well.

15. There is absolutely ZERO proof or evidence of any mythological

creatures and/or beings such as multiple assassins; body snatchers; easter

bunnies; the tooth fairy, or any other such creations of the imagination,

being loose and running around Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.

16. The "Six Groove Bullet" only has four grooves created by rifling in

the weapon.

17. The "Bottom Mount" sling swivel in the backyard photo's, is not a

Bottom Mount sling swivel.

18. LHO absolutely was engaged in a variety of secretive and

clandestine/covert activities. As to whether these activities were

ultimately directed at JFK or whether LHO of his on volition took it upon

himself to shoot JFK can not be determined, primarily as a result of the

complete failuire of the WC to pursue and investigate this subject.

19. The "Giant Conspiracy" which many of the CT community frequently

refer to and which often includes virtually half of the US Government as

well as in inumerable amount of other, is BS. There exists absolutely ZERO

evidence to indicate that any portion of the US Government had anything to

do with the assassination of JFK.

20. As stated, the WC is an ultimate misrepresentation of the simple

facts, three shots fired, and three hits on JFK. Nevertheless, this

misrepresentation/aka lie, has absolutely nothing to do with any

association to the actual assassination. It was purely a "POLITICAL"

maneuever.

Lastly, rest assured that those who claim to have the ability for self

thought and deductive reasoning, yet nevertheless attempt to promote the

WC's fantasies, are, far more misguided and gullible than those who know

that something is wrong with the WC solution and in their attempts to

understand have chosen the misguided pathway of multiple assassins and

body snatchers/aka wound alteration specialists.

Tom Purvis

aka/one of the Simkin Monkeys

Shot#2/aka Z313:-----------------------Survey Stationing 4+65.3

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0464b.h tm

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg

Shot#3/aka directly in front of James Altgens location: Survey

Stationing 4+95 (what was actually surveyed in for the US Secret

Service assassination reenactment of December 1963, as well as the

later FBI assassination reenactment of 2/7/64.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0449a.h tm

Mr. ALTGENS - This would put me at approximately this area here, which

would be about 15 feet from me at the time he was shot in the head--

about 15 feet from the car on the west side of the car--on the side

that Mrs. Kennedy was riding in the car.

(note: Elm St. is 40-feet wide. As JFK passed directly in front of

James Altgens, he was approximately 20-feet from Altgens position)

Mr. ALTGENS - Well, it sounded like it was coming up from behind the

car from my position--I mean the first shot, and being fireworks--who

counts fireworks explosions? I wasn't keeping track of the number of

pops that took place, but I could vouch for No. 1, and I can vouch for

the last shot, but I cannot tell you how many shots were in between.

There was not another shot fired after the President was struck in the

head. That was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree

of certainty.

=======================

Additional note: Without going into great detail and quoting them

all, there are multiple witnesses who observed the Z313 impact and so

testified that it was the SECOND SHOT fired.

The single best of these being:

Mr. HUDSON - Well there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age

about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to

park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place

over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and

said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat

there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston

onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left

side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of

course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at

that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade had

done got further on down Elm, and you see, I was trying to get a good

look at President Kennedy. I happened to be looking right at him when

that bullet hit him - the second shot.

Mr. LIEBELER - That was when the bullet hit him in the head; is that

correct?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it looked like it ht him somewhere along about a

little bit behind the ear and a little bit above the ear.

Mr. LIEBELER - On the right-hand side or the left-hand side?

Mr. HUDSON - Right hand.

Mr. LIEBELER - You say that it was the second shot that hit him in the

head; is that right?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I do believe that - I know it was.

Mr. LIEBELER - You saw him hit in the head, there wasn't any question

in your mind about that, was there?

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER - And after you saw him hit in the head, did you here

another shot?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see that shot hit anything - the third shot?

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.

Mr. HUDSON - Yes; so right along about even with these steps, pretty

close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere

right along in there.

Note: James Altgens was standing across Elm St, across from "these

steps"..

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Mr. ALTGENS - Because I didn't see who fired it. After the

Presidential car moved a little past me, I took another picture--now,

just let me back up here--I was prepared to make a picture at the very

instant the President was shot. I had refocused to 15 feet because I

wanted a good closeup of the President and Mrs. Kennedy, and that's

why I know that it would be right at 15 feet, because I had prefocused

in that area, and I had my camera almost to my eye when it happened

and that's as far as I got with my camera.

Mr. ALTGENS - Yes. What made me almost certain that the shot came from

behind was because at the time I was looking at the President, just as

he was struck, it caused him to move a bit forward. He seemed as if at

the time----well, he was in a position-- sort of immobile. He wasn't

upright. He was at an angle but when it hit him, it seemed to have

just lodged--it seemed as if he were hung up on a seat button or

something like that. It knocked him just enough forward that he came

right on down. There was flesh particles that flew out of the side of

his head in my direction from where I was standing,

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However! One just may want to see what the WC had to say about all

this.

Mr. SPECTER. I ask you to state what that album depicts.

Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is an album that I prepared of black and white

photographs made of the majority of the frames in the Zapruder

film----

Mr. SPECTER. Starting with what frame number?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. Starting with frame 171, going through frame 334.

Mr. SPECTER. And why did you start with frame 171?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is the frame that the slides start from. This was

an arbitrary frame number that was decided on as being far enough back

to include the area that we wanted to study.

Mr. SPECTER. Is that a frame where President Kennedy comes into full

view after the motorcade turns left off of Houston onto Elm Street?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes, yes.

Mr. SPECTER. And how was the ending point of that frame sequence,

being No. 334, fixed?

Mr. SHANEYFELT. It was fixed as several frames past the shot that hit

the President in the head. Frame 313 is the frame showing the shot to

the President's head, and it ends at 334.

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Nope! No Altgens here.

Most unusual since the US Secret Service as well as the FBI have, of

record, indicated that the third shot impacted directly in front of

James Altgens.

One would think that this would be of some relevance. Especially

since Lyndal Shaneyfelt clearly marked the third shot impact location

as well as the Altgens position which was exactly five feet prior to

the yellow curb mark and exactly at a construction joint location in

the concrete curb.

Sorry Folks! This is so simple and easy that a "Caveman" could figure

it out.

And, that goes for the facts of the assassination as well as all of

the manipulations which the WC went to in order to make a shot

completely disappear from the radar screen and then sell highly

gullible persons on "THE SHOT THAT MISSED" and the SBT scenario.

Tom Purvis

"Politicians, not unlike Magicians, can make things disappear!"

Mr. Purvis,

It is somewhat tolerable to read your posts regarding the ballistics of the assassination from time to time, as you appear to have some knowledge of the topic, although many other folks who appear to know the subject, as well or better, disagree with your scenario. Sadly, you do not restrict your observations to your limited "expertise", but evidently feel the need to ridicule other points of view. Most of the serious researchers I've encountered do not espouse a "Giant Conspiracy" including " virtually half of the government", but rather a more limited concept of a few power brokers at the top combined with facilitators at several levels, many involved on only a need to know basis. The dual conspiracy theory of a government cover-up for various reasons, other than direct involvement, has merit as well. If, as you postulate, LHO was the shooter, then your blathering about no evidence of government involvement is spurious because, by your own admission, and ample documentation, LHO was involved with "secretive, clandestine operations" with agents and agencies of the government. You are correct that there were no mythological creatures detected in the Plaza at the event. But, to discount the dozens of eyewitnesses who reported multiple (3+) shots, some from the knoll, gunmen in other buildings and windows in the SBD is laugably hippocritical and disengenuous in light of your quoting other witnesses to support your theory. Hopefully any newcomer to the research will recognize the insecurity of your ridicule and recognize your smug commentary for what it is.

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1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

Tom, I'm not so interested in your conclusions as to how you arrived at them. If one is convinced of fraud in the evidence, as am I, it would seem most of your points vanish rather quickly like smoke. So once again, as always, it is the integrity of the evidence that is at stake. By the way, did you mean: "The Warren Commission is not the factual truth?" Best Regards, Daniel

I agree. I looked at Purvis' credentials. He obviously has splendid training as a warrior, and I'm sure there are many more like him in our special forces. But this case is not about "guns and ammo." It is about "fraud in the evidence."

I know that, and knew it when I wrote Best Evidence back in 1981. Doug Horne knows that. And I'm sure you do, too.

You can not come to the truth about a murder when the autopsy has been falsified, i.e., when the "diagram of the shooting" has been changed.

Understanding that fundamental fact is the true starting point in any genuine inquiry into the Kennedy assassination.

DSL

6/21/11 5:50 PM PDT

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You can not come to the truth about a murder when the autopsy has been falsified,

i.e., when the "diagram of the shooting" has been changed.

Understanding that fundamental fact is the true starting point

in any genuine inquiry into the Kennedy assassination.

Thank you David.

Earl Warren deliberately concealed the vital medical evidence,

as Gerry McKnight describes in his book,

so that only a new autopsy can reveal the truth

about JFK's wounds.

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Additional note: Without going into great detail and quoting them all, there are multiple witnesses who observed the Z313 impact and so testified that it was the SECOND SHOT fired.

The single best of these being: Mr. HUDSON

Mr. LIEBELER - How far apart were the shots spaced; do you have any recollection about that, how long did it take for all the shots to be fired and how far apart was one shot from the other?

Mr. HUDSON - Well they was pretty fast and not fast either. It seemed like he had plenty of time to operate his gun plenty well - when the shots were all fired.

Mr. LIEBELER - How much time do you think passed from the time the first shot was fired untill the second shot was fired, can you make any estimate about that?

Mr. HUDSON - Oh, probably 2 minutes.

Mr. LIEBELER - As much as 2 minutes?

Mr. HUDSON - It might not have been that long.

7. Three shots were fired from the sixth floor window of the TSDB, and each of the three shots fired struck JFK.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did it look to you like the President was hit by the first shot?

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir; I don't think so - I sure don't.

Mr. LIEBELER - You don't think he got hit by the first shot?

Mr. HUDSON - No.

8. Of those shots fired, the second shot/aka Z313 as well as the third shot/aka that shot which struck directly in front of James Altgens location, both struck JFK in the head.

Mr. LIEBELER - And if we assume that he was shot twice, you would have to say that he was hit by the third shot; isn't that right?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER - He was hit again after he got hit in the head?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER - Do you think that could have been possible when Mrs. Kennedy pulled him over, do you think he could have got hit in the neck after he had been hit in the head?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes sir; I do

Mr. LIEBELER - He was still sitting far enough up in the car he could have been hit?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.

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"The Commission had also been informed about the Mannlicher-Carcano's defective scope -- 'the telescopic sight could not be properly aligned with the target' is how J. Edgar Hoover put it in a letter...the Commission neither mentioned nor explained at all that the scope was installed for a left handed person. Oswald was right handed." -- Robert Sam Anson, They've Killed The President, Bantam Books, 1975

Oswald must have been more than an expert shot -- he must have been a magician.

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1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

Tom, I'm not so interested in your conclusions as to how you arrived at them. If one is convinced of fraud in the evidence, as am I, it would seem most of your points vanish rather quickly like smoke. So once again, as always, it is the integrity of the evidence that is at stake. By the way, did you mean: "The Warren Commission is not the factual truth?" Best Regards, Daniel

1. "The Warren Commission is not the factual truths."

A. The Warren Commission is an intentional obfuscation (lie) in regards to how the assassination actually occurred.

B. The Warren Commission is an intentional attempt to divert attention away from those persons of importance with whom LHO's life and activities incorporated into this event.

C. The Warren Commission is an intentional attempt to ignore the facts relative to production and manufacture of the WCC 6.5mm ammunition as well as the totally unsuportable tenure that no other weapon could have bore the serial number of the assassination weapon.

It would serve little purpose to continue with all of the "truth's" which the WC subverted, so please accept the writing in it's intention to mean the subversion of multiple aspects of the truth.

Each of which had it's own reasoning and rationale.

Tom

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From his FBI report....

BREHM expressed his opinion that between the first and third shots, the President's car only seemed to move 10 or 12 feet. It seemed to him that the automobile almost came to a halt after the first shot, but of this he is not certain. After the third shot, the car in which the President was riding increased its speed and went under the freeway overpass and out of his sight.

I had started a thread eslewhere adding this testimony (as recorded by the FBI - what a shocker) to Altgens comments...

Now if we look at the other films that depict the limo from the turn onto Houston up to when Muchmore starts her camera at z272

we find there are no films of this portion of the trip OTHER than Zapruder... or am I missing something?

So in terms of "syncing" the films... all that was needed was to sync Zap to Muchmore after 272 and Nix after approx 295....

We do not see the limo, other than in photos, from the turn until Muchmore in any other film...

we KNOW there is a splice at 205/206 and we have the NPIC/Life magazine shot sequence that shows no 223 shot but a 242 and 264

2 seconds is 37 frames... 242-37=205.... 264-37=227... the Stemmons sign becomes even more important to the "splice" in Zap....

312 is a fixed point from whcih frames are counted backward... by syncing the headshot in the three movies and working backward

How strongly does this suggest that "syncing" ALL THE FILMS (all three) was not nearly as difficult a proposition as it appears?

Thanks

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1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

Tom, I'm not so interested in your conclusions as to how you arrived at them. If one is convinced of fraud in the evidence, as am I, it would seem most of your points vanish rather quickly like smoke. So once again, as always, it is the integrity of the evidence that is at stake. By the way, did you mean: "The Warren Commission is not the factual truth?" Best Regards, Daniel

I agree. I looked at Purvis' credentials. He obviously has splendid training as a warrior, and I'm sure there are many more like him in our special forces. But this case is not about "guns and ammo." It is about "fraud in the evidence."

I know that, and knew it when I wrote Best Evidence back in 1981. Doug Horne knows that. And I'm sure you do, too.

You can not come to the truth about a murder when the autopsy has been falsified, i.e., when the "diagram of the shooting" has been changed.

Understanding that fundamental fact is the true starting point in any genuine inquiry into the Kennedy assassination.

DSL

6/21/11 5:50 PM PDT

Los Angeles, CA

"Failure to understand the evidence has no bearing on the validity of that evidence.

As a general rule it merely means that one does not understand the evidence".

Tom Purvis

CE399 will tell anyone (who evaluates it) how it came to exist as well as the wounds which it is responsible for.

CE567 & CE569 will do the same.

That leaves us with only the true "Magic Bullet" and the correlation of the wounds which it is responsible for.

All of which is in fact relatively simple.

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1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

Tom, I'm not so interested in your conclusions as to how you arrived at them. If one is convinced of fraud in the evidence, as am I, it would seem most of your points vanish rather quickly like smoke. So once again, as always, it is the integrity of the evidence that is at stake. By the way, did you mean: "The Warren Commission is not the factual truth?" Best Regards, Daniel

I agree. I looked at Purvis' credentials. He obviously has splendid training as a warrior, and I'm sure there are many more like him in our special forces. But this case is not about "guns and ammo." It is about "fraud in the evidence."

I know that, and knew it when I wrote Best Evidence back in 1981. Doug Horne knows that. And I'm sure you do, too.

You can not come to the truth about a murder when the autopsy has been falsified, i.e., when the "diagram of the shooting" has been changed.

Understanding that fundamental fact is the true starting point in any genuine inquiry into the Kennedy assassination.

DSL

6/21/11 5:50 PM PDT

Los Angeles, CA

"Failure to understand the evidence has no bearing on the validity of that evidence.

As a general rule it merely means that one does not understand the evidence".

Tom Purvis

CE399 will tell anyone (who evaluates it) how it came to exist as well as the wounds which it is responsible for.

CE567 & CE569 will do the same.

That leaves us with only the true "Magic Bullet" and the correlation of the wounds which it is responsible for.

All of which is in fact relatively simple.

Except its not so simple to tell us where they came from.

You can't do that, the magic question.

And you can't associate them with The Patsy.

BK

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Nobody believes only 3 shots, except for Mr. Case Closed, Gerald Posner. Many tell he wrote the book just to make money off the Company Line.

That darn tell-tale Dictaphone recording, there are 4 obvious shots and 5, if you listen real close.

Then that darn Zapruder Film shows Dynamic reaction motion from two bullets hitting JFK nearly at the same time.

Can't ignore such real science.

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Nor can anyone ignore these Company Orders to cover-up the JFK assassination for the oligarch's Corporate networks. The IG Farbin success was too much to walk away from, so it morphed into a system run by these oligarchs. So, now we have the Company Men---aka the CIA----running cover up and hiding this huge Royalist's network or Mil/Ind Network that hides those that run things and pull the strings behind corporate structures.

http://mtracy9.tripod.com/cia_instructions.htm

CIA Document #1035-960, marked "PSYCH" for presumably Psychological Warfare Operations, in the division "CS", the Clandestine Services, sometimes known as the "dirty tricks" department.

RE: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report

1. Our Concern. From the day of President Kennedy's assassination on, there has been speculation about the responsibility for his murder. Although this was stemmed for a time by the Warren Commission report, (which appeared at the end of September 1964), various writers have now had time to scan the Commission's published report and documents for new pretexts for questioning, and there has been a new wave of books and articles criticizing the Commission's findings. In most cases the critics have speculated as to the existence of some kind of conspiracy, and often they have implied that the Commission itself was involved. Presumably as a result of the increasing challenge to the Warren Commission's report, a public opinion poll recently indicated that 46% of the American public did not think that Oswald acted alone, while more than half of those polled thought that the Commission had left some questions unresolved. Doubtless polls abroad would show similar, or possibly more adverse results.

2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization. The members of the Warren Commission were naturally chosen for their integrity, experience and prominence. They represented both major parties, and they and their staff were deliberately drawn from all sections of the country. Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society. Moreover, there seems to be an increasing tendency to hint that President Johnson himself, as the one person who might be said to have benefited, was in some way responsible for the assassination. Innuendo of such seriousness affects not only the individual concerned, but also the whole reputation of the American government. Our organization itself is directly involved: among other facts, we contributed information to the investigation. Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.

3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active [business] addresses are requested:

a. To discuss the publicity problem with [?] and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors), pointing out that the Warren Commission made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.

b. To employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories. In the course of discussions of the whole phenomenon of criticism, a useful strategy may be to single out Epstein's theory for attack, using the attached Fletcher [?] article and Spectator piece for background. (Although Mark Lane's book is much less convincing that Epstein's and comes off badly where confronted by knowledgeable critics, it is also much more difficult to answer as a whole, as one becomes lost in a morass of unrelated details.)

4. In private to media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful:

a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider. The assassination is sometimes compared (e.g., by Joachim Joesten and Bertrand Russell) with the Dreyfus case; however, unlike that case, the attack on the Warren Commission have produced no new evidence, no new culprits have been convincingly identified, and there is no agreement among the critics. (A better parallel, though an imperfect one, might be with the Reichstag fire of 1933, which some competent historians (Fritz Tobias, AJ.P. Taylor, D.C. Watt) now believe was set by Vander Lubbe on his own initiative, without acting for either Nazis or Communists; the Nazis tried to pin the blame on the Communists, but the latter have been more successful in convincing the world that the Nazis were to blame.)

b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual witnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent--and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) and less on ballistics, autopsy, and photographic evidence. A close examination of the Commission's records will usually show that the conflicting eyewitness accounts are quoted out of context, or were discarded by the Commission for good and sufficient reason.

c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc. Note that Robert Kennedy, Attorney General at the time and John F. Kennedy's brother, would be the last man to overlook or conceal any conspiracy. And as one reviewer pointed out, Congressman Gerald R. Ford would hardly have held his tongue for the sake of the Democratic administration, and Senator Russell would have had every political interest in exposing any misdeeds on the part of Chief Justice Warren. A conspirator moreover would hardly choose a location for a shooting where so much depended on conditions beyond his control: the route, the speed of the cars, the moving target, the risk that the assassin would be discovered. A group of wealthy conspirators could have arranged much more secure conditions.

d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other. Actually, the make-up of the Commission and its staff was an excellent safeguard against over-commitment to any one theory, or against the illicit transformation of probabilities into certainties.

e. Oswald would not have been any sensible person's choice for a co-conspirator. He was a "loner," mixed up, of questionable reliability and an unknown quantity to any professional intelligence service. [Archivist's note: This claim is demonstrably untrue with the latest file releases. The CIA had an operational interest in Oswald less than a month before the assassination. Source: Oswald and the CIA, John Newman and newly released files from the National Archives.]

f. As to charges that the Commission's report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms.

g. Such vague accusations as that "more than ten people have died mysteriously" can always be explained in some natural way e.g.: the individuals concerned have for the most part died of natural causes; the Commission staff questioned 418 witnesses (the FBI interviewed far more people, conduction 25,000 interviews and re interviews), and in such a large group, a certain number of deaths are to be expected. (When Penn Jones, one of the originators of the "ten mysterious deaths" line, appeared on television, it emerged that two of the deaths on his list were from heart attacks, one from cancer, one was from a head-on collision on a bridge, and one occurred when a driver drifted into a bridge abutment.)

5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission's Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics.

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Tom, on the 20 items in your first post, I'm pretty well with you. But I believe you and I differ on whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald pulled the trigger. IF Oswald was a patsy, as he claimed, he was an excellent choice for a patsy, as he was perfectly capable of making 3 shots from less than 100 yards/300 feet on a slow-moving target. I simply believe what Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry said, when he claimed that no one can put Oswald in THAT window, with THAT rifle, at the EXACT MOMENT the shots were fired. Without that evidence--and apparently Curry had little faith in Howard Brennan, who did, then didn't, then did identify Oswald as being the man in southeast 6th floor window of the TSBD--we are back to guesswork, based upon the preponderance of the evidence. And I tend to find Bill Kelly's analysis of Oswald's movement and position in the 2nd floor lunchroom as being quite convincing...that, based upon what Officer Marion Baker saw, Oswald MUST have entered the lunchroom from the front of the building, and not from the stairwell in the rear.

Other than that, I think you're pretty well in line with where the evidence I've seen takes me.

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1. The Warren Commission is not the factual truths.

Tom, I'm not so interested in your conclusions as to how you arrived at them. If one is convinced of fraud in the evidence, as am I, it would seem most of your points vanish rather quickly like smoke. So once again, as always, it is the integrity of the evidence that is at stake. By the way, did you mean: "The Warren Commission is not the factual truth?" Best Regards, Daniel

I agree. I looked at Purvis' credentials. He obviously has splendid training as a warrior, and I'm sure there are many more like him in our special forces. But this case is not about "guns and ammo." It is about "fraud in the evidence."

I know that, and knew it when I wrote Best Evidence back in 1981. Doug Horne knows that. And I'm sure you do, too.

You can not come to the truth about a murder when the autopsy has been falsified, i.e., when the "diagram of the shooting" has been changed.

Understanding that fundamental fact is the true starting point in any genuine inquiry into the Kennedy assassination.

DSL

6/21/11 5:50 PM PDT

Los Angeles, CA

"Failure to understand the evidence has no bearing on the validity of that evidence.

As a general rule it merely means that one does not understand the evidence".

Tom Purvis

CE399 will tell anyone (who evaluates it) how it came to exist as well as the wounds which it is responsible for.

CE567 & CE569 will do the same.

That leaves us with only the true "Magic Bullet" and the correlation of the wounds which it is responsible for.

All of which is in fact relatively simple.

Except its not so simple to tell us where they came from.

You can't do that, the magic question.

And you can't associate them with The Patsy.

BK

JFKCountercoup.blogspot.com

Except its not so simple to tell us where they came from.

The sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository Building!

(that seemed pretty simple to me!)

Not my problem if you are so insufficiently informed of the FACTS that you believe otherwise.

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