David Josephs Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 This entire sequence occurs after the shot at Zapruder frame 313 struck the president. So what are you saying Mike? Greer slows the limo even further FOR the headshots... then accelerates away as described by the witnesses... that's how Hill can reach the limo so fast and has to hang on for dear life afterward.... and then there are the motorcops who basically STARE at the GK right after the shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 This entire sequence occurs after the shot at Zapruder frame 313 struck the president. I don't understand why you say that, since the sequence shows the same head shot seen in the Z film from a different angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rago Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) This entire sequence occurs after the shot at Zapruder frame 313 struck the president. I don't understand why you say that, since the sequence shows the same head shot seen in the Z film from a different angle. No, that sequence does not show the same head shot that is seen in Zapruder Frame 313. The following Nix sequence shows the shot that we see in Zapruder frame 313. You can see all the blood above the presidents. head. Edited June 26, 2012 by Mike Rago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Whatever you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) This entire sequence occurs after the shot at Zapruder frame 313 struck the president. I don't understand why you say that, since the sequence shows the same head shot seen in the Z film from a different angle. No, that sequence does not show the same head shot that is seen in Zapruder Frame 313. The following Nix sequence shows the shot that we see in Zapruder frame 313. You can see all the blood above the presidents. head. Mike, How many headshots were there? How many from the fron, how many from the rear? Etc, etc... --Tommy Edited June 27, 2012 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) [...] ...and then there are the motorcops who basically STARE at the GK right after the shots David, Nice catch. I'd never noticed that. --Tommy Edited June 27, 2012 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Gallup Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Once again, the testimony of eye-witnesses directly beside the limo, including some motorcycle officers, is ignored in favor of the presumption that the films are the "best evidence" of what happened. The evidence of fakery in the Z-film is too great to be ignored, and to suppose that the other films have survived unscathed is utterly naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Once again, the testimony of eye-witnesses directly beside the limo, including some motorcycle officers, is ignored in favor of the presumption that the films are the "best evidence" of what happened. The evidence of fakery in the Z-film is too great to be ignored, and to suppose that the other films have survived unscathed is utterly naive. Daniel, Even if the Z-film was altered (and I'm not saying it was), there are other films and photos which contains lots of damning images which, I guess, the alterers just simply overlooked. For example, the image(s) in the Nix film of the two right-rear motorcycle cops looking towards the grassy knoll immediately after the final fatal head shot, as pointed out by David Josephs two posts ago on this thread... --Thomas Edited June 27, 2012 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rago Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Mike, How many headshots were there? How many from the fron, how many from the rear? Etc, etc... --Tommy There were two shots to the head. One from the left rear and one from the right front. The one from the left rear is clearly shown in Zapruder frame 313 and in the Nix Film equivalent time. The second shot, the one from the right front, is clearly shown in the Nix film at a time equivalent to Zapruder frame 318. The shot at Zapruder 313(from left rear) followed by shot at Zapruder Frame 318(from right front) Same two shots as seen in Nix film. Shot at Zapruder equivalent frame 313 followed by shot at Zapruder equivalent frame 318. Edited June 28, 2012 by Mike Rago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Mike, How many headshots were there? How many from the fron, how many from the rear? Etc, etc... --Tommy There were two shots to the head. One from the left rear and one from the right front. The one from the left rear is clearly shown in Zapruder frame 313 and in the Nix Film equivalent time. The second shot, the one from the right front, is clearly shown in the Nix film at a time equivalent to Zapruder frame 318. The shot at Zapruder 313(from left rear) followed by shot at Zapruder Frame 318(from right front) Same two shots as seen in Nix film. Shot at Zapruder equivalent frame 313 followed by shot at Zapruder equivalent frame 318. Mike, Works for me. Thanks. --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hocking Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Mike, How many headshots were there? How many from the fron, how many from the rear? Etc, etc... --Tommy There were two shots to the head. One from the left rear and one from the right front. The one from the left rear is clearly shown in Zapruder frame 313 and in the Nix Film equivalent time. The second shot, the one from the right front, is clearly shown in the Nix film at a time equivalent to Zapruder frame 318. The shot at Zapruder 313(from left rear) followed by shot at Zapruder Frame 318(from right front) Same two shots as seen in Nix film. Shot at Zapruder equivalent frame 313 followed by shot at Zapruder equivalent frame 318. Watching the woman in the tan coat in the bottom gif. Toni Foster I believe. There is a streak that goes by her, like a Tracer Bullet. A fraction of a second later, she ducks and takes a quick step to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rago Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Watching the woman in the tan coat in the bottom gif. Toni Foster I believe. There is a streak that goes by her, like a Tracer Bullet. A fraction of a second later, she ducks and takes a quick step to the right. LOL, that is not a tracer bullet, it is probably a scratch in the film, however, I like your observation of the woman in the tan coat. She is responding to something. I think she is trying to cover her ear, like she is responding to a loud noise. Edited June 28, 2012 by Mike Rago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hocking Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 ... LOL, that is not a tracer bullet, it is probably a scratch in the film, however, I like your observation of the woman in the tan coat. She is responding to something. Mike, I agree it is not a Tracer. I was looking for a way to describe that streak and used a tracer for comparison. Now back to Toni Foster's reaction. There is an abrupt ducking, evasive reaction at the above-mentioned point, which cannot be connected to the headshot at z313, but which oddly enough, appears to be a reaction to the "streak/defect" in the film, at least from a timing standpoint. ... hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rago Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) ... LOL, that is not a tracer bullet, it is probably a scratch in the film, however, I like your observation of the woman in the tan coat. She is responding to something. Mike, I agree it is not a Tracer. I was looking for a way to describe that streak and used a tracer for comparison. Now back to Toni Foster's reaction. There is an abrupt ducking, evasive reaction at the above-mentioned point, which cannot be connected to the headshot at z313, but which oddly enough, appears to be a reaction to the "streak/defect" in the film, at least from a timing standpoint. ... hmmm Richard, It is obvious that something very significant happened at this moment in that location. Fast forward to 8m 30 sec in the following video and listen to how Mary Moorman discribes this moment in time. Mary says she heard 3 shots in the sequence pow...powpow. She says that she heard the third shot immediately after hearing the second shot. She says that as she was looking at the president she saw his "hair jump". When Mary saw the presidents "hair jump" she saw the impact of the second shot to the head. Edited June 28, 2012 by Mike Rago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hocking Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Mike, Over 70+ witnesses reported that same pow ... pow pow shot sequence, some saying that the last two shots were almost simultaneous. Actually, many of the those witnesses thought the first shot sounded like a firecracker or motorcycle backfire, so "Bang.........PowPow" might be more accurate. I believe Toni Foster is reacting to the 2nd of the PowPow noises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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