Ray Mitcham Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Can't remember, Kath. Had it in my files for several years, but note that the document author is Dave Montague ARRB. Edited March 3, 2016 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I am still doing my reading on the possible body alteration. I sleep with youtube on. Sometime during the night I heard that early on the 26th of November,1963 Jackie and the brothers went to Arlington to bury the brain and other tissues of President Kennedy's. And that it was secret. There is a photo of Ted Kennedy, standing near an open grave with a stainless steel container on the ground next to him. But that photo comes from 1967 when they were reburying the President. I cannot find that photo. I also remember hearing that (probably Liggett) someone shaved in part Tippit's eyebrows to make him look more like Kennedy. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) I am still doing my reading on the possible body alteration. I sleep with youtube on. Sometime during the night I heard that early on the 26th of November,1963 Jackie and the brothers went to Arlington to bury the brain and other tissues of President Kennedy's. And that it was secret. There is a photo of Ted Kennedy, standing near an open grave with a stainless steel container on the ground next to him. But that photo comes from 1967 when they were reburying the President. I cannot find that photo. I also remember hearing that (probably Liggett) someone shaved in part Tippit's eyebrows to make him look more like Kennedy. Kathy C The pictures of RFK and McNamara at the Arlington reinterment were up here several years ago in a thread probably devoted to the subject. The container was in some photos. I posted and Bill Kelly posted on that thread, if it helps you search. Edited March 18, 2016 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) This is an excerpt from LewRockwell.com, November 17, 2014 used for educational reasons. "Immediately after JFK’s assassination, Liggett was called while at work at Restland Funeral Home. He rushed to Parkland, calling his wife only once to let her know that he had been asked to work on the President and that he would call her, she shouldn’t try to call him. According to Billie Sol Estes, in his book Billie Sol Estes — A Texas Legend, Liggett left Restland with an assistant, taking a body that had been stored in the morgue that was similar to JFK’s body and prepared to look like a rear head shot was the cause of death. Estes stated that the second body was used to create false evidence and that photographs, x-rays and even the complete brain from that cadaver were substituted for JFK’s autopsy 'records' in order to re-frame the documents to conform to the official story; moreover, he stated that all of this was sent first to the White House before being sent to the FBI, the Warren Commission and the National Archives. "According to Estes, the 'other body' was taken to Washington on a private jet. If that story is true, it is a possible explanation of the provenance of the discrepancies that exist in photographs and x-rays which could not have been taken of Kennedy’s head. It might also explain the enigma, noted elsewhere, of the supposed existence of JFK’s complete brain, weighing 1500 grams, more than an average male brain, as reported by several authors; that is impossible, since most of his brain had been blown out the back of his head, much of it splattering the motorcycle policeman B. J. Martin in the process. The scenario that I previously portrayed, in LBJ: The Mastermind, had been based partly on David Lifton’s early research, but I independently concluded that JFK’s body was moved to a shipping crate and put on 'Air Force 2.' I have since reevaluated that, based upon Lifton’s latest research, pending publication, which clarifies that and proves that JFK’s body was indeed simply moved to the cargo hold of Air Force One immediately upon delivery of the ornate casket, while the Kennedy party was still on the tarmac. Lifton explained his findings at an address in November, 2013, at Bismarck State University, which is available for viewing on a Youtube video. "Mr. Lifton has recently advised me that his latest work, now underway, will address this point further as he has obtained additional information on how JFK’s body was moved to Washington. Researcher / author Doug Horne has also written what is arguably the most detailed, meticulously documented account of the events on Air Force One and Bethesda Naval Hospital ever written to date: The AF1 Tapes and Subsequent Events at Andrews AFB on November 22, 1963: What Was Supposed to Happen vs. What Did Happen at the Future of Freedom Foundation website. As I previously noted, the overall story portrayed does not hinge on which of these scenarios was the true and complete one, the details of which may never be known with absolute certainty. The one thing that is certain is that the 'official' version described by the Warren Commission cannot be reconciled with the numerous contradictions which have already been identified in a number of books and summarized here. "According to Episode 7 (The Smoking Guns) of The Men Who Killed Kennedy, a day after the assassination, John Liggett returned home, unshaven, disheveled and very tired. According to his wife, “he looked like he had been in a traumatic event.” Yet he immediately took his wife and three step-children to Austin and San Antonio, talking briefly and furtively to men he met at each stop as he rushed from Dallas to these other cities, even getting a speeding ticket between Dallas and Austin. He then took the family on to Corpus Christi, where on Sunday morning they watched Jack Ruby shoot Oswald on live television. Upon seeing that stunning event, he turned to his wife and said calmly, “Everything’s OK now. . . and you could just see his face, it was like all the pressure had been taken off of him.” Shortly after the assassination, John Liggett came into a lot of money and bought an expensive Dallas home and then became the host of numerous high-stakes poker parties. At one of these parties, the daughter of Lois Liggett, Debra Godwin, stated that David Ferrie — who was a long-time acquaintance, and a short-time 'handler' of Lee Harvey Oswald in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans — appeared, and that John said he had known him while he served in the Civil Air Patrol." ---------- Mortician Liggett was considered the best cosmetician in the country. Did he actually use J.D. Tippit's body to disguise him as Kennedy so it would look like the bullets came from the back and up. Kathy C Edited March 21, 2016 by Kathleen Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Kath, I wonder if Tippit had a mole on his left shoulder. JFK didn't.] Edited March 23, 2016 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Ray, here is a link to the Stare of Death photo and you can see a mole on his left shoulder. http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/autopsy.htm Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) Ray, here is a link to the Stare of Death photo and you can see a mole on his left shoulder. http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/autopsy.htm Kathy C Yes, Kath, the body at the autopsy had a mole (the first photo shown above is from the autopsy.) However, I have been unable to find a photo of JFK, chest exposed, which shows a similar mole. Here's another photo of JFK sans mole. Anybody know if JFK or Tippit had a mole on their left shoulder? Edited March 24, 2016 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 In the autopsy photo, where they have Kennedy sitting or standing up, his ear is exactly the same as President Kennedy's. There are other things -- his hair color -- Jackie took a lock of it. The amount of hair he has. Tippit's hairline was receding. Kennedy had so much hair. I believe Robert Morningstar started this. He's a bit like David Icke, somewhat psychic. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) According to Dr Humes, the incisions in the chest of the body at the autopsy A couple of small incised wounds on the chest, and I forget--I wrote down, wherever I wrote it down, that it looked to me like somebody was going to think of putting in a chest tube. But they never did, because all they did was go through the skin." Yet according to Dr Perry "But in the presence of this large amount of blood in this area, one would be unable to detect small injuries to the underlying structures. The air was indicated by the fact that there was some frothing of this blood present, bubbling which could have been due to the tracheal injury or an underlying injury to the lung. Since the morbidity attendant upon insertion of an anterior chest tube for sealed drainage is negligible and the morbidity which attends a pneumothorax is considerable, I elected to have the chest tube put in place because we were giving him positive pressure oxygen and the possibility of inducing a tension on pneumothorax would be quite high in such instances." They inserted chest tubes as they would normally have done. How can one doctor say the the chest tubes were inserted and the other that they weren't, if it was the same body? Something smells of fish. Edited March 25, 2016 by Ray Mitcham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Ray and others, Here are 2 links to an Internet radio show which discussed the body moving, etc. It's Brent Holland, host. https://www.youtube.com/user/nightfri... http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=48091&r.. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Kath, the you tube link says it "no longer exists". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) According to Dr Humes, the incisions in the chest of the body at the autopsy A couple of small incised wounds on the chest, and I forget--I wrote down, wherever I wrote it down, that it looked to me like somebody was going to think of putting in a chest tube. But they never did, because all they did was go through the skin." Yet according to Dr Perry "But in the presence of this large amount of blood in this area, one would be unable to detect small injuries to the underlying structures. The air was indicated by the fact that there was some frothing of this blood present, bubbling which could have been due to the tracheal injury or an underlying injury to the lung. Since the morbidity attendant upon insertion of an anterior chest tube for sealed drainage is negligible and the morbidity which attends a pneumothorax is considerable, I elected to have the chest tube put in place because we were giving him positive pressure oxygen and the possibility of inducing a tension on pneumothorax would be quite high in such instances." They inserted chest tubes as they would normally have done. How can one doctor say the the chest tubes were inserted and the other that they weren't, if it was the same body? Something smells of fish. Do we see these Parkland chest incisions in the Bethesda "Stare of Death" photo(s)? Edited March 28, 2016 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 David, look at the photo at post 35, and look to the bottom left of the circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Kath, the you tube link says it "no longer exists". Ray, I will try to find the show for you. It's one of Brent Holland's night shows. I think he has a Facebook following. I looked at the stare of death photo. You cannot see his nipples. Above that I don't see any scars. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Ray, this might be the same link. It's David Lifton's theories and findings. He wrote Best Evidence, which says Kennedy's body was altered between Parkland and Bethesda. This was the first book that said this. He doesn't believe J.D.Tippit's body was switched with Kennedy's. https://www.youtube.com/user/nightfri... http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=48091&r...Best… YOUTUBE.COM I know Brent Holland did a show with Joseph McBride who wrote a book on Tippit. But I can't find it. ************ David, thank you for the info about the reburial of President Kennedy. I didn't know McNamara was there. There was a famous Archbishop there as well. Jackie showed up afterwards. The National Guard was there that night, all over the cemetery. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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