Southwest Window of School Book Depository

[Karl Kinaski]

Mary Kay Ash, the cosmetics tycoon, embarrassed many of her fellow Dallas residents with remarks she made about the School Book Depository in a nationally televised interview. "I think what we should [do] is tear that building down," she said, "and make a parking lot out of that thing and not have it there for people to remember."

Woman... ------...seriously: who occupied the 7th floor and it's usage seems an unwritten chapter...

Edited October 4, 2012 by Karl Kinaski

[Bernice Moore]

Chris, i found i believe a very clear hughes frame, that at least shows what windows were open, and a floor plan of the 7th floor, but nothing other..fwtaw..b

Edited October 4, 2012 by Bernice Moore

[David Josephs]

http://www.jfkassass...ic,7025.24.html

GREAT photos of the inside of the TSBD... thank you Martin H.

Here is the 7th floor SE corner looking out

DJ

Edited May 23, 2017 by David Josephs

[David Josephs]

On 10/4/2012 at 1:14 PM, Bernice Moore said:

Chris, i found i believe a very clear hughes frame, that at least shows what windows were open, and a floor plan of the 7th floor, but nothing other..fwtaw..b

Hi Bernice - hope all is well with you...

Here I have Hughes compared to Dillard... there is DEFINITELY someone in the SE window and possibly in the one two over...

The BIG question... is where are Williams/Norman/Jarman in WEAVER or Hughes... plus WHAT is that at the 5th floor SE window?

Edited March 8, 2017 by David Josephs

[Bernice Moore]

Thanks David for your study,very interesting, i was hoping you would happen along.. '' where are Williams/Norman/Jarman in WEAVER or Hughes?'' perhaps possibly they were very busy, placing some soon to be found articles , the rehearsal time could have not been near long enough, so there went another oops.....i have no idea, really, but it makes one wonder...thanks...all is well here, i hope this finds you and yours the same..take care..b

[Bernice Moore]

Here is another that wasn't fyi...and a copy of john woods, empty 6th floor for research purposes only..the resolution, was too large so i have posted it half size for any interested....

NUMBER 31. This enlargement of the Dillard photo was used by the Warren Commission in connection with the testimony of the black men in the fifth-floor windows. However, the Warren Commission did not realize that the photo was taken within 3.5 seconds after the fatal head shot and therefore showed that the witnesses -- who said they saw a rifle sticking out of that window after the fatal shot -- were imagining things. Nor does the original Dillard photo show any rifle or anyone holding a rifle in any window of the building 3 seconds after the last shot.

[Thomas Graves]

Here is another that wasn't fyi...and a copy of john woods, empty 6th floor for research purposes only..the resolution, was too large so i have posted it half size for any interested....

NUMBER 31. This enlargement of the Dillard photo was used by the Warren Commission in connection with the testimony of the black men in the fifth-floor windows. However, the Warren Commission did not realize that the photo was taken within 3.5 seconds after the fatal head shot and therefore showed that the witnesses -- who said they saw a rifle sticking out of that window after the fatal shot -- were imagining things. Nor does the original Dillard photo show any rifle or anyone holding a rifle in any window of the building 3 seconds after the last shot.

Bernice,

If memory serves, Gary Mack said on another thread that Dillard took this photo 15 to 20 seconds after the shooting stopped, not 3.5 seconds.

--Tommy

[Bernice Moore]

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=958&relPageId=116

hi Tom. please read the page above for further information on timing.., thanks, hope all are well, take care..b

[Chris Newton]

Thanks for all those posts! There are some great photos and comments.

Just from a purely tactical standpoint I think this testimony sums up the point I'm trying to make about the location of the alleged snipers nest:

From the Warren Report; Testimony of James Elbert Romack

Mr. Romack was a US Navy WW2 Vet that who served on LST's in the Aleutians, the Philippines, Okinawa and Japan. I'm quite sure that includes combat. The context to the below quoted testimony is that Mr. Romack has just described hearing three shots and owning a Springfield M1903 which is a bolt action rifle.

Mr. Belin. You heard those rifle shots, and [do] you think you could shoot your rifle accurately as fast as you heard those shots?

Mr. Romack. I don't, wouldn't think that I would be that good a shot; no, because I shot an elk four times and I hit him everywhere and missed him one time out of four.

Mr. Belin. How far was it?

Mr. Romack. He was, I would say, 350 to 500 yards away. He was quite a distance.

Mr. Belin. Maybe I should ask this question a different way. Suppose he was 100 yards away or else 50 yards?

Mr. Romack. I would be more accurate with my shooting, I sure would.

Mr. Belin. If he were 40 to 75 yards away, or not an elk, a person, do you think you could shoot 40 to 75 yards away accurately as quickly as you heard those rifle shots?

Mr. Romack. I wouldn't say I could; no, sir.

Mr. Belin. Do you think an accurate rifleman could?

Mr. Romack. Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin gets it. The closer you are, the less difficult the shot becomes. It makes no logical sense for any sniper to set up in the southeast corner and engage from there when the shot would be easier from the southwest corner.

I'm waiting for some logical explanation as to why I should believe this fairy tale.

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[Bernice Moore]

G'D evening Chris...imo there will never be a logical tale to convince you, to believe the Warren Commission, imo it cannot convince any logical, thinking man, or woman...the deeper one explores it, the more unbelieveable confusion is created...

there are some pretty interesting comments about and the people's reactions to it the, w/c..within the following...

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/Epstein/Whos_Afraid/Whos_Afraid.html

you began a very interesting thread, and thanks...b

[Bernice Moore]

There simply imo are too many contradictions within the w/c.. plus some of the people involved proved themselves to be untrustworthy...b

The Warren Commission, The Truth, and Arlen Specter

By Gaeton Fonzi

Greater Philadelphia Magazine, 1 August 1966

"It is difficult to believe the Warren Commission Report is the truth.

Arlen Specter knows it.

It is difficult to believe that all the shots which caused the Presidents and Governor Connallys wounds were fired from the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.

Arlen Specter knows it.

It is difficult to believe that the same bullet which pierced the Presidents throat also caused Governor Connallys wounds.

Arlen Specter knows it."

"As senior counsel to the Commission, a group of the most eminent and respected lawyers in the country were chosen, among them Philadelphias William T. Coleman Jr., partner in Dilworth, Paxson, Kalish, Kohn and Dilks. These men, however, generally turned out to be such outstanding attorneys that, during the course of the investigation, they could find little time to free themselves from their own busy law practices. As a result, the bulk of the work fell on what were called the junior counsel, the young lawyers with budding reputations for whom appointment to the Commission staff was a tremendous honor, Arlen Specter was one."............

"Based on Specters investigation, these were the main points in the final version of the Report:

Witnesses, principal among them steamfitter Brennan, saw what they took to be a rifle in an upper-story window of the Depository.

Three employees on the fifth floor of the Depository heard shots and shells dropping on the floor above them.

Two large bullet fragments found in the front of the Presidential car as well as a nearly whole bullet said to be found on Governor Connallys stretcher at Parkland Hospital were definitely fired from the 6.5-mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle which Oswald ordered from a Chicago mail-order house and which was found on the sixth floor of the Depository.

Three shots were fired. One hit Kennedy near the top of his back, came out the front of his neck, went through Connallys back, came out his chest, smashed his right wrist and caused a puncture wound in his left thigh. Another went in the back of Kennedys head and blew out the right front part of his head. A third missed. The Commission decided that the order of the hits was irrelevant and made no determination of the sequence.".........

the key question is this: Was it possible for a lone gunman to have accomplished the assassination if President Kennedy and Governor Connally were not hit by the same bullet?

Specter maintains that the answer is not central to the Commissions conclusion. He does so in the face of the very evidence which the Commission used to conclude that it was. .........

"Specter, as a matter of fact, spent a good deal of time with Humes working out the single-bullet theory. I was very impressed with Specter, says Humes. He was a very intelligent young man............

"And when Specter is confronted with evidence which conflicts with his conclusions, he usesas the Commission Report often dida form of reverse logic to refute it. For instance: Talk about the grassy knoll and shots? he says. The bullets didnt enter from that direction.

By MIKE FEINSILBER

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (July 2) - Thirty-three years ago, Gerald R. Ford took pen in

hand and changed - ever so slightly - the Warren Commission's key sentence

on the place where a bullet entered John F. Kennedy's body when he was

killed in Dallas.

The effect of Ford's change was to strengthen the commission's conclusion

that a single bullet passed through Kennedy and severely wounded Texas

Gov. John Connally - a crucial element in its finding that Lee Harvey

Oswald was the sole gunman.

A small change, said Ford on Wednesday when it came to light, one intended

to clarify meaning, not alter history.

''My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory,'' he said in a

telephone interview from Beaver Creek, Colo. ''My changes were only an

attempt to be more precise.''

But still, his editing was seized upon by members of the conspiracy

community, which rejects the commission's conclusion that Oswald acted

alone.

''This is the most significant lie in the whole Warren Commission

report,'' said Robert D. Morningstar, a computer systems specialist in New

York City who said he has studied the assassination since it occurred and

written an Internet book about it.

The effect of Ford's editing, Morningstar said, was to suggest that a

bullet struck Kennedy in the neck, ''raising the wound two or three

inches. Without that alteration, they could never have hoodwinked the

public as to the true number of assassins.''

If the bullet had hit Kennedy in the back, it could not have struck

Connolly in the way the commission said it did, he said.

The Warren Commission concluded in 1964 that a single bullet - fired by a

''discontented'' Oswald - passed through Kennedy's body and wounded his

fellow motorcade passenger, Connally, and that a second, fatal bullet,

fired from the same place, tore through Kennedy's head.

The assassination of the president occurred Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas;

Oswald was arrested that day but was shot and killed two days later as he

was being transferred from the city jail to the county jail.

Conspiracy theorists reject the idea that a single bullet could have hit

both Kennedy and Connally and done such damage. Thus they argue that a

second gunman must have been involved.

Ford's changes tend to support the single-bullet theory by making a

specific point that the bullet entered Kennedy's body ''at the back of his

neck'' rather than in his uppermost back, as the commission staff

originally wrote.

Ford's handwritten notes were contained in 40,000 pages of records kept by

J. Lee Rankin, chief counsel of the Warren Commission.

They were made public Wednesday by the Assassination Record Review Board,

an agency created by Congress to amass all relevant evidence in the case.

The documents will be available to the public in the National Archives.

The staff of the commission had written: ''A bullet had entered his back

at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the spine.''

Ford suggested changing that to read: ''A bullet had entered the back of

his neck at a point slightly to the right of the spine.''

The final report said: ''A bullet had entered the base of the back of his

neck slightly to the right of the spine.''

Ford, then House Republican leader and later elevated to the presidency

with the 1974 resignation of Richard Nixon, is the sole surviving member

of the seven-member commission chaired by Chief Justice Earl Warren..

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[Karl Kinaski]

http://www.jfkassass...ic,7025.24.html

GREAT photos of the inside of the TSBD... thank you Martin H.

Here is the 7th floor SE corner looking out

DJ

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=23671

Do you see the 7th floor windows? Enough space for an erected shooter as described by smoking gun witness Howard Brennan. I am convinced Brennan saw a shooter...in the seventh floor, which, was the only abandoned floor back then, occupied by nobody.

KK

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[Karl Kinaski]

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[Mike Rago]

If one believes that Oswald was a patsy then one should, I think, also believe that no real assassin(besides Oswald) was located in the TSBD.

The whole idea was to draw all the police attention to the TSBD. Why would the conspirators place their real assassins in the TSBD if their plan was to frame Oswald and ultimately the TSBD as well and draw all the attention there?

It is called mis-direction.

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[Karl Kinaski]

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