Harvey and Lee: John Armstrong

[Thomas Graves]

With your 15% in 5 year olds "probability", - David Josephs.

How does this clown even tie his shoelaces in a morning?

The 15% is YOUR figure!! Jeeeez!!

15% is much too high... the actual figure is 6.1%... I was being generous and proving you never read the work to begin with...

You really are so full of yourself that you'll go to any lengths to show just how wrong you are... and then get all pissy-whiny about it to boot.

You remain a skidmark on this community & thinking people everywhere... thanks for posting and continually proving it

Long term outcome of tonsillar regrowth after partial tonsillectomy in children with obstructive sleep apnea.

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

We investigated the long-term effects of partial tonsillectomy, and potential risk factors for tonsillar regrowth in children with obstructive sleep apnea hypopnea syndrome (OSAHS).

METHODS:

Children affected by OSAHS with obstructive hypertrophic tonsils underwent partial tonsillectomy or total tonsillectomy with radiofrequency coblation. Polysomnography was performed prior to and 5 years following surgery. Blood samples from all participants were taken prior to and 1 month following surgery to assess immune function. All participants were interviewed 5 years following surgery to ascertain effects of the surgery, rate of tonsillar regrowth, and potential risk factors.

RESULTS:

All parents reported alleviation of breathing obstruction. Postoperative hemorrhage did not occur in the partial tonsillectomy group compared to 3.76% in the total tonsillectomy group. Tonsillar regrowth occurred in 6.1% (5/82) in children following partial tonsillectomy. Palatine tonsil regrowth occurred a mean of 30.2 months following surgery, and 80% of children with tonsillar regrowth were younger than 5 years of age. All five patients had a recurrence of acute tonsillitis prior to enlargement of the tonsils. Four of the five had an upper respiratory tract allergy prior to regrowth of palatine tonsils. There were no differences in IgG, IgM, IgA, C3, or C4 levels following partial tonsillectomy or total tonsillectomy.

CONCLUSION:

Partial tonsillectomy is sufficient to relieve obstruction while maintaining immunological function. This procedure has several post-operative advantages. Palatine tonsils infrequently regrow. Risk factors include young age, upper respiratory tract infections, history of allergy, and history of acute tonsillitis prior to regrowth.

Copyright © 2013 Elsevier Ireland Ltd. All rights reserved

And where can we read of all this on the Harveylee website?

Has the webmaster removed it?

I wonder why...

Losers...

So you did read all that and still wasn't able to convey/remember the info correctly?

Can't stay on topic for 5 minutes and can't man up when you're wrong... no wonder Parker likes you so much.

As for Parker... luckily all one need do is read your work - between Asperger's and tonsils you really have made some amazingly weak arguments here.

but that's obvious to all.

... C'mon Parker... use those Radionics you trust in and move something on my desk...

Maybe your crazy women shortened Oswald by those 2 inches using her mind as well...

As to the long list of H&L conflicts - all you seem to be able to muster is a bad reply to only one of them...

Stick with the first point - show us how the USMC simply guesses or asks the marine his height, weight, vision, etc... when he both enters and leaves the Marines...

This should be highly entertaining.

btw - the Autopsy of LHO shows him to be 69" and 135 lbs... you'll let us know when and where you find out the USMC just wings it on this subject...

Why is none of this now mentioned on the HarveyLee website?

Who removed it and why?

You must be absolutely furious with them for making you look so foolish as to defend a theory they have now quietly dropped.

This is getting a bit like kicking a puppy.

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Edited May 28, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Greg Parker]

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5545-Anyone-want-to-discuss-HARVEY-amp-LEE&p=99874#post99874

Listen to the Sounds of Silence from the H & L cheerleaders.

Time to take stock again.

Josephs and Gaal have been unable to explain why the tonsils are still relevant, and to avoid answering, thet have changed subjects more times than they change their underwear in a year... i.e at least a dozen times.

Josephs, getting whipped on whatever topic he switches to, has reverted to type and has over several pages, tried to incite a flame war knowing he can't be called a xxxx and is therefore free to lie as part of his flamefests.

We've been down this path before with him.

Meanwhile his sidekick chimes in with indeceipherable data dumps interspersed with snippets of posts and his own "thoughts", tin foil hat interpretations and bad guesses. If David Ferrie had read any of Gaal's offerings, I might be inclined to believe he really did die from a popped blood vessel in the brain.

The theory is a joke. The proponents of it, typically moreso.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Greg Parker

[Bernie Laverick]

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5545-Anyone-want-to-discuss-HARVEY-amp-LEE&p=99874#post99874

Listen to the Sounds of Silence from the H & L cheerleaders.

Time to take stock again.

Josephs and Gaal have been unable to explain why the tonsils are still relevant, and to avoid answering, thet have changed subjects more times than they change their underwear in a year... i.e at least a dozen times.

Josephs, getting whipped on whatever topic he switches to, has reverted to type and has over several pages, tried to incite a flame war knowing he can't be called a xxxx and is therefore free to lie as part of his flamefests.

We've been down this path before with him.

Meanwhile his sidekick chimes in with indeceipherable data dumps interspersed with snippets of posts and his own "thoughts", tin foil hat interpretations and bad guesses. If David Ferrie had read any of Gaal's offerings, I might be inclined to believe he really did die from a popped blood vessel in the brain.

The theory is a joke. The proponents of it, typically moreso.

Here's the sum total of the tonsil debate culled from their website...

In June, 1944, Marguerite Oswald left New Orleans and moved into a home she had purchased in Dallas, Texas. The following year 5-year old LEE Oswald had his tonsils removed.

I kid you not. And this from a 10,000 word essay on 'both' their childhoods.

If it is true what David keeps saying, that is, somehow his opponents aren't listening to the evidence he is providing on the tonsils issue, then why doesn't the website totally devoted to this theory say nothing more than "the following year he had his tonsils out"?

You're right Greg he either wants us banned or failing that he'll gladly get himself banned. Either way he won't have to face more awkward questions. You'd think though, if you have to go to those extremes to keep alive a theory then maybe, just maybe, it's probably worth rethinking it.

But David will be a full on devotee to this until John or Jim tells him to stop it and grow up!

[Steven Gaal]

Yep. Got all that. It goes nowhere near proving that Oswald was treated at a naval hospital in Japan while simultaneously on board the Skagit.// Parker

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Yes I see it obviously does show two Oswalds. The Warren Commission even in a memo shows that they have to make adjustment to military data.

see http://harveyandlee.net/Ely.htm In the memo Jenner speaks of the need for "material alteration' in the military record, this is LAWYER SPEAK for LIE.

Yes the Warren Commission record admits to .....FRAUD !!! So Parker basis his military data on .....F R A U... // Gaal

Edited May 28, 2015 by Steven Gaal

[Greg Parker]

Yep. Got all that. It goes nowhere near proving that Oswald was treated at a naval hospital in Japan while simultaneously on board the Skagit.// Parker

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Yes I see it obviously does show two Oswalds. The Warren Commission even in a memo shows that they have to make adjustment to military data.

see http://harveyandlee.net/Ely.htm In the memo Jenner speaks of the need for "material alteration' in the military record, this is LAWYER SPEAK for LIE.

Yes the Warren Commission record admits to .....FRAUD !!! So Parker basis his military data on .....F R A U... // Gaal

Jenner admitted to nothing other than that according to additional information obtained since Ely wrote his memo, some of his information was wrong and would need to be changed or in some cases, omitted.

That is exactly how information is sometimes fed up the chain of command. The guy at the bottom writes up the memo and shoots it off to his supervisor. The supervisor either approves it as is, or makes changes, or recommends changes and it moves up the ladder another step.

Three other very important points to consider:

1: Jenner does not specify what area of the chronology needs fixing.

2. The chronology actually STOPS at the point of Oswald entering the military in 1956 - so there is NO godamn information there to change re military records, and

3. You forgot to consider your kangaroo loose in the top paddock.

Your analysis however, is unfortunately what we come to expect from Armstrong and his acolytes.

ps

Hello Don

Edited May 28, 2015 by Greg Parker

[W. Tracy Parnell]

As far as the 3835 code is concerned, I emailed the Ebay seller Bernie and others were talking about and got this reply:

That is a navy location code.
My list of the codes does not include this number, so I do not know where it was located.
For instance, navy #10 is Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. I wish I knew where #3835 was located.

So what we seem to need is an expert on reading military records to get to the bottom of this. I will say this-you would think with all the resources and helpers Armstrong had, he would have figured this out. Or maybe he did and the answer was not helpful to his thesis.

[Steven Gaal]

2. The chronology actually STOPS at the point of Oswald entering the military in 1956 - so there is NO godamn information there to change re military records, and // PARKER

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? no chronology does not stop at entering Marines = PARKER needs correction // Gaal

MARINES
On October 26, 1956, Lee Harvey Oswald reported for duty at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego, Calif., where he was assigned to the Second Recruit Training Battalion.293 He was 68 inches tall and weighed 135 pounds; he had no physical defects.294 On October 30, he took a series of aptitude tests, on which he scored significantly above the Marine Corps average in reading and vocabulary and significantly below the average in tests in arithmetic and pattern analysis. His composite general classification score was 105, 2 points below the Corps average. He scored near the bottom of the lowest group in a radio code test.295 His preference of duty was recorded as Aircraft Maintenance and Repair, the duty assignment for which he was recommended.296

While he was at San Diego, Oswald was trained in the use of the M-1 rifle.297 His practice scores were not very good,298 but when his company fired for record on December 21, he scored 212, 2 points above the score necessary to qualify as a "sharpshooter" on a marksman/sharpshooter/expert scale.299 He did not do nearly as well when

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he fired for record again shortly before he left the Marines.300 He practiced also with a riot gun and a .45-caliber pistol when he was in the Marines but no scores were recorded.301

Oswald was given a 4.4 rating in both "conduct" and "proficiency" at the Recruit Depot, the highest possible rating being 5.0 and an average rating of 4.0 being required for an honorable discharge.302 On January 18, 1957, he reported to Camp Pendleton, Calif., for further training and was assigned to "A" Company of the First Battalion, Second Infantry Training Regiment.303 He was at Pendleton for a little more than 5 weeks, at the end of which he was rated 4.2 in conduct and 4.0 in proficiency.304 Allen R. Felde, a fellow recruit who was with Oswald at San Diego and Pendleton, has stated that Oswald was generally unpopular and that his company was avoided by the other men.305 When his squad was given its first weekend leave from Pendleton, all eight men took a cab to Tijuana, Mexico. Oswald left the others and did not rejoin them until it was time to return to camp. Felde said that this practice was repeated on other trips to Los Angeles; Oswald accompanied the men on the bus to and from camp but did not stay with them in the city.306 On February 27, he went on leave for 2 weeks,307 during which he may have visited his mother in Fort Worth.308

On March 18, he reported to the Naval Air Technical Training Center at the Naval Air Station in Jacksonville, Fla.309 For the next 6 weeks he attended an Aviation Fundamental School, in which he received basic instruction in his specialty, including such subjects as basic radar theory, map reading, and air traffic control procedures.310 This course, as well as his next training assignment at Keesler Air Force Base, required Oswald to deal with confidential material.311 He was granted final clearance up to the "confidential" level on May 3, "after [a] careful check of local records had disclosed no derogatory data." 312 He completed the course on the same day, ranking 46th in a class of 54 students.313 On the previous day, he had been promoted to private, first class, effective May 1.314 At Jacksonville, he received ratings of 4.7 in conduct and 4.5 in proficiency, the highest ratings he ever attained.315

Oswald left for Keesler Air Force Base in Biloxi, Miss., on the day his course was completed; 316 he traveled, probably by overnight train, in a group of six marines led by Pfc. Daniel P. Powers, the senior marine in charge.317 At Keesler, he attended the Aircraft Control and Warning Operator Course, which included instruction in aircraft surveillance and the use of radar.318 Powers was not sure whether he had met Oswald before the trip to Biloxi 319 but remembers him there as "a somewhat younger individual less matured than the other boys," who "was normally outside the particular group of marines that were in this attachment to Keesler." 320 (Oswald was in fact 3 years younger than Powers.) 321 Powers testified that Oswald had the nickname "Ozzie Rabbit." 322 Oswald generally stayed to himself, often read-

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ing; he did not play cards or work out in the gym with the others.323 He spent his weekends alone, away from the base; Powers thought he left Biloxi and perhaps went "home" to New Orleans, less than 100 miles away.324 He finished the course seventh in a class of 30 marines on June 17,325 and on June 25, was given an MOS (military occupational specialty) of Aviation Electronics Operator.326 On June 20, he went on leave,327 possibly visiting his mother.328 His ratings at Keesler were 4.2 in conduct. and 4.5 in proficiency,329 which Powers thought was "pretty good." 330

On July 9, Oswald reported at the Marine Corps Air Station at El Toro, Calif., near Santa Ana.331 He was classified as a replacement trainee and attached to the Fourth Replacement Battalion.332 Six weeks later, on August 22, he departed from San Diego for Yokosuka, Japan, on board the U.S.S. Bexar.333 Powers testified that while on board, Oswald taught him to play chess, which they played frequently, sometimes for more than 4 hours a day.334 Like most of the men on board, Oswald read a lot from the books which were available. Powers thought he read "a good type of literature," remembering in particular Whitman's "Leaves of Grass." 335

The Bexar docked at Yokosuka on September 12.336 Oswald was assigned to Marine Air Control Squadron No. 1 (MACS-1), Marine Air Group 11, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, based at Atsugi, about 20 miles west of Tokyo.337 Oswald was a radar operator in MACS-1, which had less than 100 men.338 Its function was to direct aircraft to their targets by radar, communicating with the pilots by radio.339 The squadron had also the duty of scouting for incoming foreign aircraft, such as straying Russian or Chinese planes, which would be intercepted by American planes.340

On October 27, when Oswald opened his locker to remove some gear, a derringer .22 caliber pistol fell to the floor and discharged; the bullet hit him in the left elbow.341 Paul Edward Murphy, a fellow marine who was in the next cubicle, heard the shot, rushed in, and found Oswald sitting on the locker looking at his arm; without emotion, Oswald said to Murphy, "I believe I shot myself." 342 He was in the naval hospital at Yokosuka until November 15.343

The Judge Advocate General concluded that Oswald had "displayed a certain degree of carelessness or negligence" by storing a loaded revolver in his locker, but that his injury was incurred "in the line of duty" and was not the result of his own misconduct." 344 He was, however, charged with possession of an unregistered privately owned weapon in violation of general orders. A court-martial followed on April 11, 1958, when Oswald's unit returned from maneuvers, and on April 29 he was sentenced to be confined at hard labor for 20 days, to forfeit $25 per month for 2 months, and to be reduced to the grade of private.345 The confinement was suspended for 6 months, after which that portion of the sentence was to be remitted.346

Five days after Oswald left the hospital, MACS-1 embarked aboard the Terrell County, LST 1157, for maneuvers in the Philippine Islands

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area.347 According to Powers' recollection, the squadron was expected to return to Atsugi after maneuvers were completed, but an international crisis developed; since another operation was scheduled for a few months later, the squadron debarked at Cubi Point (Subic Bay) in the Philippines and set up a temporary installation.348 While he was in the Philippines, Oswald passed a test of eligibility for the rank of corporal; 349 in a semiannual evaluation, however, he was given his lowest ratings thus far: 4.0 in conduct and 3.9 in proficiency.350 The unit participated in exercises at Corregidor, from which it sailed for Atsugi on March 7, 1958, aboard the U.S.S. Wexford County, LST 1168.351 The Wexford County reached Atsugi 11 days later.352

Oswald was court-martialed a second time on June 27, for using "provoking words" to a noncommissioned officer (a sergeant) on June 20, at the Bluebird Cafe in Yamato, and assaulting the officer by pouring a drink on him.353 The findings were that Oswald spilled the drink accidentally, but when the sergeant shoved him away, Oswald invited the sergeant outside in insulting language.354 Oswald admitted that he was rather drunk and had invited the sergeant outside but did not recall insulting him.355 He was sentenced to be confined at hard labor for 28 days and to forfeit $55; 356 in addition, suspension of the previous sentence of confinement was withdrawn.357 He was in confinement until August 13.358 Meanwhile, a previously granted extension of oversea duty was canceled,359 and he was given ratings of 1.9 in conduct and 3.4 in proficiency.360

On September 14, Oswald sailed with his unit for the South China Sea area; the unit was at Ping Tung, North Taiwan on September 30, and returned to Atsugi on October 5.361 On October 6, he was transferred out of MACS-1 and put on general duty, in anticipation of his return to the United States.362 He spent several days thereafter in the Atsugi Station Hospital.363 On October 31, he received his last oversea ratings: 4.0 in both conduct and proficiency.364

Oswald appears generally to have been regarded by his fellows overseas as an intelligent person who followed orders and did his work well, but who complained frequently.365 He did not associate much with other marines and continued to read a great deal.366 Paul Murphy testified that Oswald could speak "a little Russian" while he was overseas.367 Powers believed that Oswald became more assertive in Japan and thought that he might have had a Japanese girl friend.368 He departed from Yokosuka on board the USNS Barbet on November 2, and arrived in San Francisco 13 days later.369 On November 19, he took 30 days' leave.370

On December 22, Oswald was assigned to Marine Air Control Squadron No. 9 (MACS-9) at the Marine Corps Air Station at El Toro, where he had been briefly before he went overseas.371 He was one of about seven enlisted men and three officers who formed a "radar crew," engaged primarily in aircraft surveillance.372 This work probably gave him access to certain kinds of classified material, some of which, such as aircraft call signs and radio frequencies, was

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changed after his defection to Russia.373 For part of his time at El Toro, Oswald may have been assigned to clerical or janitorial tasks on the base.374 Some of his associates believed rumors,375 incorrect according to official records,376 that he had lost his clearance to work on radar crews; one recalled hearing that Oswald had once had clearance above the "confidential" level and had lost it because he "had poured beer over a staff NCO's head in an enlisted club in Japan, and had been put in the brig." 377

The officer in command of the radar crew, Lt. John E. Donovan, found him "competent in all functions," and observed that he handled himself calmly and well in emergency situations.378 Donovan thought Oswald was not a leader but that he performed competently on occasions when, as the senior man present, he served as crew chief.379 This estimate was generally shared by his fellows, most of whom thought that he performed his assigned duties adequately but was deficient in disciplinary matters and such things as barracks inspection.380 One of them recalled that after a number of bad inspections, the other members of Oswald's quonset hut complained about him and secured his transfer to another hut.381 He was thought to be an intelligent person, somewhat better educated and more intellectually oriented than other men on the base.382 A few of the men thought it more accurate to describe him as someone who wanted to appear intelligent.383 He had a pronounced interest in world affairs, in which he appears to have been better informed than some of the officers, whose lack of knowledge amused and sometimes irritated him; he evidently enjoyed drawing others, especially officers, into conversations in which he could display his own superior knowledge.384

It seems clear from the various recollections of those who knew him at El Toro that by the time Oswald returned to the United States, he no longer had any spirit for the Marines; the attitudes which had prompted his enlistment as soon as he was eligible were entirely gone, and his attention had turned away from the Marines to what he might do after his discharge. While no one was able to predict his attempt to defect to Russia within a month after he left the Marines, the testimony of those who knew him at El Toro in contrast to that of his associates in Japan, leaves no doubt that his thoughts were occupied increasingly with Russia and the Russian way of life. He had studied the Russian language enough by February 25, 1959, to request that he be given a foreign language qualification test; his rating was "poor" in all parts of the test.385 Most of the marines who knew him were aware that he was studying Russian; 386 one of them, Henry J. Roussel, Jr., arranged a date between Lee and his aunt, Rosaleen Quinn, an airline stewardess who was also studying Russian.387 (Miss Quinn thought that Oswald spoke Russian well in view of his lack of formal training; she found the evening uninteresting.388 Donovan, with whom she had a date later, testified that she told him that Oswald was "kind of an oddball.") 389 He read, and perhaps subscribed to, a newspaper, possibly printed in Russian, which his associates connected with his Russian bent.390

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Most of those who knew him were able to recount anecdotes which suggest that he was anxious to publicize his liking for things Russian, sometimes in good humor and sometimes seriously. Some of his fellows called him "Oswaldskovich," apparently to his pleasure.391 He is said to have had his name written in Russian on one of his jackets;392 to have played records of Russian songs "so loud that one could hear them outside the barracks"; 393 frequently to have made remarks in Russian 394 or used expressions like "da" or "nyet," 395 or addressed others (and been addressed) as "Comrade";396 to have come over and said jokingly, "You called?" when one of the marines played a particular record of Russian music.397

Connected with this Russophilia was an interest in and acceptance of Russian political views and, to a lesser extent, Communist ideology. Less obvious to his fellows generally,398 it nevertheless led him into serious discussions with some of them. Donovan, who was a graduate of the School of Foreign Service of Georgetown University,399 thought Oswald was "truly interested in international fairs" 400 and "very well versed, at least on the superficial facts of a given foreign situation." 401 He recalled that Oswald had a particular interest in Latin America 402 and had a good deal of information about Cuba in particular.403 Oswald expressed sympathy for Castro but, according to Donovan, "what he said about Castro was not an unpopular belief at that time." 404 Donovan believed that Oswald subscribed to the Russian newspaper--which Donovan thought was a Communist newspaper--not only in order to read Russian but also because he thought it "presented a very different and perhaps equally just side of the international affairs in comparison with the United States newspapers." 405 Donovan was clear, on the other hand, that he never heard Oswald "in any way, shape or form confess that he was a Communist, or that he ever thought about being a Communist." 406

Private Kerry Thornley described himself as a close acquaintance, but not a good friend, of Oswald, whom he met in the spring of 1959; he later wrote an unpublished novel in which he drew heavily on his impressions of Oswald.408 Thornley generally corroborates Donovan's testimony but thought Oswald definitely believed that "the Marxist morality was the most rational morality to follow" and communism, "the best system in the world." 409 Thornley thought this belief was "theoretical," a "dispassionate appraisal" which did not indicate "any active commitment to the Communist ends"; he described Oswald as "idle in his admiration for communism." 410 He recalled discussions about Marxism in which Oswald criticized capitalism and praised the Soviet economic system.411 Thornley testified that his association with Oswald ended when, in response to Oswald's criticism of a parade in which they both had to march, he said "Well, comes the revolution you will change all that." Oswald, he said, looked at him "like a betrayed Caesar" and walked away.412 Thornley attributed Oswald's decision to go to Russia to a growing disillusionment with the United States, especially its role in the Far East, and a conviction that communism

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would eventually prevail.413 He was surprised by the decision but expected Oswald to adjust to Russian life and remain in Russia permanently

Another marine, Nelson Delgado, met Oswald soon after the latter arrived at El Toro.415 They were about the same age and had similar interests; Oswald enjoyed trying to speak Spanish with Delgado, who spoke it fluently.416 Delgado regarded him as a "complete believer that our way of government was not quite right," but did not think he was a Communist.417 Their discussions were concerned more with Cuba than Russia.418 They both favored the Castro government and talked--"dreaming," Delgado said--about joining the Cuban Army or Government and perhaps leading expeditions to other Caribbean islands to "free them too." 419 Oswald told Delgado that he was in touch with Cuban diplomatic officials in this count; which Delgado at first, took to be "one of his ... lies," 420 but later believed.421

Oswald's interest in Russia and developing ideological attachment to theoretical communism apparently dominated his stay at El Toro. He was still withdrawn from most of his fellows, although his special interests appear to have made him stand out more there than he had at other posts and to have given him a source for conversation which he had hitherto lacked.422 According to several of the witnesses, names like "Ozzie Rabbit" still clung to him; 423 others recalled no nickname or only shortened versions of his real name.424 His reading acquired direction; books like "Das Kapital" and Orwell's "Animal Farm" and "1984" are mentioned in the testimony concerning this period. He played chess; 426 according to one of his opponents he chose the red pieces, expressing a preference for the "Red Army." 427 He listened to classical music.428 For a short time, he played on the squadron football team.429 According to Donovan, who coached the team, Oswald was not very good; he lacked team spirit and often tried to call the plays, which was not his job.430 Delgado thought Oswald was a mediocre player.431 Donovan did not know whether Oswald quit or was thrown off the team.432 He spent most of his weekends alone, as he had at Keesler, and did not leave the post as often as the other men.433 Delgado once rode with him on the train to Los Angeles but separated from him there; Oswald returned to the base after one night.434 Delgado recalls that on another weekend Oswald accepted his invitation to go to Tijuana; they stayed there for one night.435

At the end of January 1959 and at the end of July, Oswald was given his semiannual ratings, scoring 4.0 in conduct both times, and 4.0 and 4.2 in proficiency.436 (The July ratings were repeated in September, when he was transferred from MACS-9 in preparation for his discharge.)437 On March 9, he was promoted as of March 1, to the rank of private, first class, for the second time.438 He took a series of high school level general educational development tests on March 23 and received an overall rating of "satisfactory." His best scores, in the 76th and 79th U.S. percentiles, were in English composition and physical sciences; his worst was English literature, in which he placed in the 34th percentile.439

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In the spring, Oswald applied to Albert Schweitzer College in Churwalden, Switzerland, for admission to the spring term in 1960; the application is dated March 19.440 Schweitzer is a small school, which specializes in courses in religion, ethics, science, and literature. He claimed a proficiency in Russian equal to 1 year of schooling and that he had completed high school by correspondence with an average grade of 85 percent.442 He listed philosophy, psychology, ideology, football, baseball, tennis and stamp-collecting as special interests, and writing short stories "on contemporary American life" as his vocational interest.443 Jack London, Charles Darwin, and Norman Vincent Peale were listed as favorite authors.444 He claimed membership in the YMCA and the "A.Y.H. Association," and said that he had participated in a "student body movement in school" for the control of juvenile delinquency.445 Asked to give a general statement of his reasons for wanting to attend the college, he wrote:

In order to aquire a fuller understanding of that subject which interest me most, Philosophy. To meet with Europeans who can broaden my scope of understanding. To receive formal Education by Instructers of high standing and character. To broaden my knowlege of German and to live in a healty climate and Good moral atmosphere.446

On the basis of these representations, Oswald's application was approved by the college.447 He enclosed a registration fee of $25 in a letter dated June 19, in which he said that he was "looking forward to a fine stay." 448 Few of the other marines seem to have known about this application. He told Delgado, however, that he planned to attend a Swiss school to study psychology, and Delgado knew that some application had been made.449 Another marine, Richard Call, also knew something of his plans.450

Oswald was obligated to serve on active duty until December 7, 1959 (the date having been adjusted to compensate for the period of confinement).451 On August 17, he submitted a request for a dependency discharge, on the ground that his mother needed his support.452 The request was accompanied by an affidavit of Mrs. Oswald and corroborating affidavits from an attorney, a doctor, and two friends, attesting that she had been injured at work in December 1958, and was unable to support herself.453 Oswald had previously made a voluntary allotment of part of his salary to his mother, under which arrangement she received $40 in August, and had submitted an application for a "Q" allotment (dependency allowance) in her behalf of $91.30; one payment of the "Q" allotment, for the month of August, was made in September.454 On August 28, the Wing Hardship or Dependency Discharge Board recommended that Oswald's request for a discharge be approved; 455 approval followed shortly.456 On September 4, he was transferred from MACS-9 to the H. & H. Squadron,457 and on September 11, he was released from active duty and transferred to the Marine Corps Reserve, in which he was expected to

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serve until December 8, 1962.458 He was assigned to the Marine Air Reserve Training Command at the Naval Air Station in Glenview, Ill.459

Almost exactly 1 year later, on September 13, 1960, Oswald was given an "undesirable discharge" from the Marine Corps Reserve,460 based on:

reliable information which indicated that he had renounced his U.S. citizenship with the intentions of becoming a permanent citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Further, that petitioner brought discredit to the Marine Corps through adverse newspaper publicity, which was generated by the foregoing action, and had thereby, in the opinion of his commanding officer, proved himself unfit for retention in the naval service.461

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SOVIET UNION

On September 4, the day on which he was transferred out of MACS-9 in preparation for his discharge, Oswald had applied for a passport at the Superior Court of Santa Ana, Calif. His application stated that he planned to leave the United States on September 21 to attend the Albert Schweitzer College and the University of Turku in Finland, and to travel in Cuba, the Dominican Republic, England, France Germany, and Russia.462 The passport was routinely issued 6 days later.463

Edited May 28, 2015 by Steven Gaal

[Steven Gaal]

As far as the 3835 code is concerned, I emailed the Ebay seller Bernie and others were talking about and got this reply:

That is a navy location code.
My list of the codes does not include this number, so I do not know where it was located.
For instance, navy #10 is Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. I wish I knew where #3835 was located.

So what we seem to need is an expert on reading military records to get to the bottom of this. I will say this-you would think with all the resources and helpers Armstrong had, he would have figured this out. Or maybe he did and the answer was not helpful to his thesis. // Parnell

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THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF SAN FRANCISCO (NOT UNDER ARMSTRONG CONTROL)

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http://www.archives.gov/san-francisco/finding-aids/holdings-guide-08.html

The records relate to the management of physical facilities, real property, and utilities, and to the military government of American Samoa. Included are correspondence, issuances, logs, and reports.

Records of the following Naval Air Stations (NAS), Naval Air Centers (NAC), and Naval Air Facilities (NAF):
NAC 140, Espiritu Santo, New Hebrides Islands, 1943-1945
NAF 131, Noumea, New Caledonia, 1943-1945
NAC/NAF 145, Guadalcanal Island, Solomon Islands, 1943-1945
NAS 309, Palmyra Island, Line Islands, 1939-1947
NAF 807, Ebeye Island, Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands, 1944-1947
NAF 825, Roi Island, Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands, 1946
NAF 875, Oppama, Honshu, Japan, 1950-1961
NAS 939, Orote, Guam, Mariana Islands, 1945-1949
NAS 943, Agana, Guam, Mariana Islands, 1944-1960
NAS 955, Iwakuni, Honshu, Japan, 1952-1953
NAS 958, Kagman Point, Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands, 1944-1947
NAS 961, Sangley Point, Luzon, Philippines, 1945-1949
NAF 1175, Naha, Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands, Japan, 1945-1952
NAF 1301, Canton Island, Phoenix Islands, 1943-1946 [now part of Kiribati]
NAS 3220, Emirau Island, St. Matthias Islands, Bismarck Archipelago, 1944-1945
NAS 3245, Tanapag, Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands, 1946-1950
NAF 3247, Tinian, Northern Mariana Islands, 1946-1947
NAF 3410, Moen Island, Truk Atoll, Caroline Islands, 1943-1947
NAS 3835, Atsugi, Honshu, Japan, 1950-1955 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< CASE CLOSED , not helpful to Purnell thesis. (GAAL)

[W. Tracy Parnell]

THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF SAN FRANCISCO (NOT UNDER ARMSTRONG CONTROL)

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http://www.archives.gov/san-francisco/finding-aids/holdings-guide-08.html

The records relate to the management of physical facilities, real property, and utilities, and to the military government of American Samoa. Included are correspondence, issuances, logs, and reports.

Records of the following Naval Air Stations (NAS), Naval Air Centers (NAC), and Naval Air Facilities (NAF):

NAC 140, Espiritu Santo, New Hebrides Islands, 1943-1945

NAF 131, Noumea, New Caledonia, 1943-1945

NAC/NAF 145, Guadalcanal Island, Solomon Islands, 1943-1945

NAS 309, Palmyra Island, Line Islands, 1939-1947

NAF 807, Ebeye Island, Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands, 1944-1947

NAF 825, Roi Island, Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands, 1946

NAF 875, Oppama, Honshu, Japan, 1950-1961

NAS 939, Orote, Guam, Mariana Islands, 1945-1949

NAS 943, Agana, Guam, Mariana Islands, 1944-1960

NAS 955, Iwakuni, Honshu, Japan, 1952-1953

NAS 958, Kagman Point, Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands, 1944-1947

NAS 961, Sangley Point, Luzon, Philippines, 1945-1949

NAF 1175, Naha, Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands, Japan, 1945-1952

NAF 1301, Canton Island, Phoenix Islands, 1943-1946 [now part of Kiribati]

NAS 3220, Emirau Island, St. Matthias Islands, Bismarck Archipelago, 1944-1945

NAS 3245, Tanapag, Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands, 1946-1950

NAF 3247, Tinian, Northern Mariana Islands, 1946-1947

NAF 3410, Moen Island, Truk Atoll, Caroline Islands, 1943-1947

NAS 3835, Atsugi, Honshu, Japan, 1950-1955 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< CASE CLOSED , not helpful to Purnell thesis. (GAAL)

You may be right and 3835 MAY signify Atsugi, although the information you have provided does indicate that this was the code from 1950-55 so I am not completely convinced. Bernie and Greg have provided information that contradicts this so, as I said, an expert could clear this up. In any case, IF the evidence does indicate that Oswald was treated at Atsugi there are other possible explanations such as the records are wrong or the manner in which they were recorded is confusing. But there are ALWAYS alternate explanations for ANYTHING in the Harvey & Lee theory other than the CIA was running two Oswalds who were doubles (or not exactly doubles but close enough depending on what the situation is) for a future mission that ended up being the JFK murder. The information Armstrong collected is interesting, it is what he did with it that is the problem. BTW, since studying the H&L theory, I have developed a tendency to use CAPS and bold to make my point (also italics and underline) so please forgive the caps above.

[Steven Gaal]

email here for answer NAS 3835 archive2referance@nara.com Was this number used past 1955 for this Naval base ?

[David Josephs]

The real point of the matter was whether Oswald was ever in Ping Tung Taiwan, Phillipines at all, since the argument against is that he did not go... while the backup argument is that the medical records show the treatment were done in transit...

Neither of these appears to have any corroboration while Oswald's CO in CA, an ex FBI employee from '53-'56 "remembers" that they both were in the Phillipines together... On Dec 1, 1963 Donovan contacts the security branch at his academy to report he knew Oswald and had not yet spoken to the FBI or SS.

None of this is in the book or CD but is in the 35 page notebook on Donovan at Baylor... Donovan, ex-FBI man, begrudgingly acknowledges he knew Oswald and knew him in Taiwan.

Yet the HSCA and the DoD attempt to say that Oswald never made the trip - even in the face of the footnote which states that the book Donovan consulted on says that Lt. Rhodes confirms he did indeed travel to Ping Tung where he has a guard duty incident resulting in his being sent back to Atsugi on Oct 6th. He is in the "hospital" from Oct 7th to the 13th.... yet there is no record of this hospital stay in the medical record.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/report/html/HSCA_Report_0125b.htm

While Harvey Oswald is in Ping Tung... Lee is being treated in Atsugi for a STD. The two different sets of men who knew one or the other man is very revealing, especially since those that knew Lee were not called. Zack Stout did not know who Harvey Oswald was... only big, southern Lee.

[Jon G. Tidd]

David Josephs,

In your estimation is it possible that there were H and L, substantially as described by John Armstrong, neither of whom was recruited by the CIA until at least adulthood, if ever?

[W. Tracy Parnell]

email here for answer NAS 3835 archive2referance@nara.com Was this number used past 1955 for this Naval base ?

OK, I did, we will see what they say.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

email here for answer NAS 3835 archive2referance@nara.com Was this number used past 1955 for this Naval base ?

OK, I did, we will see what they say.

Came back undeliverable.

[Greg Parker]

chronology does not stop at entering Marines = PARKER needs correction // Gaal

Steve, for the love of God and all that is decent, round that kangaroo up.

Of course there was a Marines chronology. It just wasn't written by Ely.

Here again is what you posted.

Yes I see it obviously does show two Oswalds. The Warren Commission even in a memo shows that they have to make adjustment to military data.

see http://harveyandlee.net/Ely.htm In the memo Jenner speaks of the need for "material alteration' in the military record, this is LAWYER SPEAK for LIE.

Yes the Warren Commission record admits to .....FRAUD !!! So Parker basis his military data on .....F R A U... // Gaal

The only frauds here are you and your cohorts.

Or will you claim you just never bothered reading your link?

Let me type it out for you since you need spoon feeding.

The chronology Ely did was from "the fall of 1929 to the time Lee Harvey Oswald entered Military service in October, 1956, "

Since changes were only suggested for the chronology done be Ely - NO CHANGES WERE - OR COULD HAVE BEEN - SUGGESTED FOR ANY MILITARY RECORDS.

Got it now??? I hope so, cos I'm getting a bit tired of this BS from you and Josephs.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Greg Parker