Robin Unger Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vanessa Loney Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 My theory about the mysterious "Doorway Man" in the Altgens photograph is that he is one of their Oswald impostors. They had him stand right in the doorway of the book depository so people would think they were seeing Oswald standing there at the time when the assassination was going down. For all we know, they might have had another one of their Oswald impostors in the 1st floor lunch room as well. This way people would think they were seeing Oswald so they wouldn't suspect Oswald of being up at the 6th floor window trying to kill JFK. In other words, they used their Oswald look-a-likes to serve as decoys. It is not just a co-incidence that this man was standing in the doorway who looked enough like Oswald to pass for him. However, I don't believe it was the real Oswald. My theory about the mysterious "Doorway Man" in the Altgens photograph is that he is one of their Oswald impostors. They had him stand right in the doorway of the book depository so people would think they were seeing Oswald standing there at the time when the assassination was going down. For all we know, they might have had another one of their Oswald impostors in the 1st floor lunch room as well. This way people would think they were seeing Oswald so they wouldn't suspect Oswald of being up at the 6th floor window trying to kill JFK. In other words, they used their Oswald look-a-likes to serve as decoys. It is not just a co-incidence that this man was standing in the doorway who looked enough like Oswald to pass for him. However, I don't believe it was the real Oswald. Hi Robin Just to clarify ‘’Doorway Man” or “Door Man” is the name given by the research community to Billy Lovelady in the Altgens 6 photo. The name given by the research community to the figure behind Lovelady in Weigman is Prayer Man. Unless, of course, that is you are actually contending that Doorman (Lovelady) is also an Oswald imposter. In which case, that would make two Oswald imposters standing next to each other on the TSBD steps. That would appear to be overcompensation and not really the most strategic use of Oswald imposters by the plotters that day. But perhaps I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Professor Jim Fetzer has a passion for this idea that Mr. Altgens camera was confiscated. He is die hard behind the idea that they put Billy Lovelady's head on Oswalds body...super-imposed it, that is.. I don't see how they could have done this in the time they would had. Mr. Altgens sent that photo off to Newspapers and magazines via a photofax machine. They had it within a half an hour after it was taken. So I can't see where they could have altered the photograph. You are quite right Robin, There was not enough time to fake up the film. The problem for Prof. Fetzer is one the dogs most in academia. He has his head buried in books and figures and formulas all day and forgets how to just set down a spell, relax, empty the mind and see what enters those hallowed halls between the ears. I tried it with the Altgens conundrum to see what I could come up with.. now bear with me here,,,, the answer is... LATEX! It was Lovelady on the steps wearing a latex mask - taken - not from the real LHO - well, how could they (until he died!)? but from one of the Oswald doubles! Professor Jim Fetzer has a passion for this idea that Mr. Altgens camera was confiscated. He is die hard behind the idea that they put Billy Lovelady's head on Oswalds body...super-imposed it, that is.. I don't see how they could have done this in the time they would had. Mr. Altgens sent that photo off to Newspapers and magazines via a photofax machine. They had it within a half an hour after it was taken. So I can't see where they could have altered the photograph. You are quite right Robin, There was not enough time to fake up the film. The problem for Prof. Fetzer is one the dogs most in academia. He has his head buried in books and figures and formulas all day and forgets how to just set down a spell, relax, empty the mind and see what enters those hallowed halls between the ears. I tried it with the Altgens conundrum to see what I could come up with.. now bear with me here,,,, the answer is... LATEX! It was Lovelady on the steps wearing a latex mask - taken - not from the real LHO - well, how could they (until he died!)? but from one of the Oswald doubles! I have to say Greg, I don't know where you come up with these ground breaking ideas from. Astonishing. Where did you pull this one from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 They didn't do a very good job with that Latex mask It still looks like Lovelady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Credit Gerda Dunckel Hughes GIF looped showing Lovelady moving out from the shadow and shielding his eyes from the sun, as the limo approaches the doorway entrance. Thanks Robin. I have to say I can see a shadowy head behind Lovelady and someone standing to the left of that shadowy figure. Do you see anything or do I need glasses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 My theory about the mysterious "Doorway Man" in the Altgens photograph is that he is one of their Oswald impostors. They had him stand right in the doorway of the book depository so people would think they were seeing Oswald standing there at the time when the assassination was going down. For all we know, they might have had another one of their Oswald impostors in the 1st floor lunch room as well. This way people would think they were seeing Oswald so they wouldn't suspect Oswald of being up at the 6th floor window trying to kill JFK. In other words, they used their Oswald look-a-likes to serve as decoys. It is not just a co-incidence that this man was standing in the doorway who looked enough like Oswald to pass for him. However, I don't believe it was the real Oswald. My theory about the mysterious "Doorway Man" in the Altgens photograph is that he is one of their Oswald impostors. They had him stand right in the doorway of the book depository so people would think they were seeing Oswald standing there at the time when the assassination was going down. For all we know, they might have had another one of their Oswald impostors in the 1st floor lunch room as well. This way people would think they were seeing Oswald so they wouldn't suspect Oswald of being up at the 6th floor window trying to kill JFK. In other words, they used their Oswald look-a-likes to serve as decoys. It is not just a co-incidence that this man was standing in the doorway who looked enough like Oswald to pass for him. However, I don't believe it was the real Oswald. Hi Robin Just to clarify ‘’Doorway Man” or “Door Man” is the name given by the research community to Billy Lovelady in the Altgens 6 photo. The name given by the research community to the figure behind Lovelady in Weigman is Prayer Man. Unless, of course, that is you are actually contending that Doorman (Lovelady) is also an Oswald imposter. In which case, that would make two Oswald imposters standing next to each other on the TSBD steps. That would appear to be overcompensation and not really the most strategic use of Oswald imposters by the plotters that day. But perhaps I'm confused. I took it that Robin was referring to the latex-wearing Lovelady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 They didn't do a very good job with that Latex mask It still looks like Lovelady. Now we are entering into the alteration debate. Once it was decided to sacrifice Oswald, it was necessary to retouch Lovelady in Altgens to mask the mask (so to speak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Professor Jim Fetzer has a passion for this idea that Mr. Altgens camera was confiscated. He is die hard behind the idea that they put Billy Lovelady's head on Oswalds body...super-imposed it, that is.. I don't see how they could have done this in the time they would had. Mr. Altgens sent that photo off to Newspapers and magazines via a photofax machine. They had it within a half an hour after it was taken. So I can't see where they could have altered the photograph. You are quite right Robin, There was not enough time to fake up the film. The problem for Prof. Fetzer is one the dogs most in academia. He has his head buried in books and figures and formulas all day and forgets how to just set down a spell, relax, empty the mind and see what enters those hallowed halls between the ears. I tried it with the Altgens conundrum to see what I could come up with.. now bear with me here,,,, the answer is... LATEX! It was Lovelady on the steps wearing a latex mask - taken - not from the real LHO - well, how could they (until he died!)? but from one of the Oswald doubles! Professor Jim Fetzer has a passion for this idea that Mr. Altgens camera was confiscated. He is die hard behind the idea that they put Billy Lovelady's head on Oswalds body...super-imposed it, that is.. I don't see how they could have done this in the time they would had. Mr. Altgens sent that photo off to Newspapers and magazines via a photofax machine. They had it within a half an hour after it was taken. So I can't see where they could have altered the photograph. You are quite right Robin, There was not enough time to fake up the film. The problem for Prof. Fetzer is one the dogs most in academia. He has his head buried in books and figures and formulas all day and forgets how to just set down a spell, relax, empty the mind and see what enters those hallowed halls between the ears. I tried it with the Altgens conundrum to see what I could come up with.. now bear with me here,,,, the answer is... LATEX! It was Lovelady on the steps wearing a latex mask - taken - not from the real LHO - well, how could they (until he died!)? but from one of the Oswald doubles! I have to say Greg, I don't know where you come up with these ground breaking ideas from. Astonishing. Where did you pull this one from? Like I say, you have to empty out your mind first. It was a something I leaned in the Public Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 I have seen a lot of masterful practitioners of this art in my time but you really are taking it to another level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Lloyd Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Credit Gerda Dunckel Hughes GIF looped showing Lovelady moving out from the shadow and shielding his eyes from the sun, as the limo approaches the doorway entrance. Thanks Robin. I have to say I can see a shadowy head behind Lovelady and someone standing to the left of that shadowy figure. Do you see anything or do I need glasses? Looks to me like Lovelady is right over to the left (from our POV) of the TSBD entrance, not in the middle? I guess he'd moved over to try to track the limo as it moved down Elm...strange if he has to step back and shield his eyes from the sun at this point but isn't in Altgens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I agree with you, Ian. Lovelady is standing to the left as we look at it and then moves to the right. He then leans out further as the limo moves further down Elm Street. At this point we see him leaning in Altgens6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Is it just me, or does Lovelady seem to be moving around a lot? First, he is on the west side of the steps, against the wall, and then he appears to be in the middle of the steps. I'm assuming, of course, that the "F" is pointing to Lovelady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) He obviously moved a few feet to his left in order to get a better view of the departing President. I agree Mark Photo Credit: Jim Pomerville Modern day photo looking from the top step area of the TSBD from this position you can't see down Elm St Edited May 21, 2015 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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