Scott Kaiser Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 Why on earth would you leave out Jon G.? He has a mustache too. Conspiracies, they all look alike, and then we want to connect those that have a better appearance. It's become an allusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) By the way Tom, speaking of Mary Bancroft, one nice thing about being a semi-regular on BOR is we get letters from enthusiastic people who like listening. In response to my discussion of Talbot's book, a listener wrote in and said how much he enjoyed the discussion. He then added that he knew Mary Bancroft. He once asked her if she thought Dulles was in on the Kennedy assassination. She replied that it would not surprise her in the least. They were all a bunch of Nazis anyway. Edited January 23, 2016 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon G. Tidd Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Who took part in the plot to kill JFK? Angleton Dulles Phillips Walker Giancana Marcello Trafficante Morales Sturgis E.H. Hunt H.L. Hunt D. Byrd Murchison Hoffa Nixon LBJ Mac Wallace Lee Oswald Jack Ruby Pinky Westbrook McGeorge Bundy Curtis Lemay Who have I missed besides James Files, Charles Harrelson, J. Edgar Hoover, and James Rowley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger DeLaria Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) I'm amazed that Kennedy lasted as long as he did swimming in a pool of sharks like that. Edited January 23, 2016 by Roger DeLaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Who took part in the plot to kill JFK? Angleton Dulles Phillips Walker Giancana Marcello Trafficante Morales Sturgis E.H. Hunt H.L. Hunt D. Byrd Murchison Hoffa Nixon LBJ Mac Wallace Lee Oswald Jack Ruby Pinky Westbrook McGeorge Bundy Curtis Lemay Pinky Westbrook. BTW who was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger DeLaria Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Wasn't Lemay supposed to be the general watching the autopsy, smoking a big, fat cigar? Sounds like him. My father was career man in the Air Force during this time, and told me a story about meeting Lemay once. Sounded like a great guy(sarcasm). Edited January 23, 2016 by Roger DeLaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon G. Tidd Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Roger, You make a salient point. JFK, arguably, had many enemies for many reasons. It's commonplace to place blame for his murder on one or more of these enemies. I prefer to reverse-engineer the assassination. And ask, initially, how a potential assassin would have viewed JFK given JFK's many enemies. I believe a potential assassin would have perceived that [a] JFK was vulnerable, and his murder could be blamed, in the popular mind, on many. The potential assassin would perceive cover. What confounds a critical examination of the assassination is the difficulty in separating the post-assassination cover-up from the pre-assassination efforts to frame Oswald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 Who took part in the plot to kill JFK? Angleton Dulles Phillips Walker Giancana Marcello Trafficante Morales Sturgis E.H. Hunt H.L. Hunt D. Byrd Murchison Hoffa Nixon LBJ Mac Wallace Lee Oswald Jack Ruby Pinky Westbrook McGeorge Bundy Curtis Lemay Who have I missed besides James Files, Charles Harrelson, J. Edgar Hoover, and James Rowley? If we now add in the 187 shooters Gordon Winslow told me they've counted so far at a meeting at the SFRG, is there any chance of Kennedy getting out of Delay Plaza alive? Now, add in all the manson's Jim Phelps wants to throw in the mix, hell, Dallas it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Neal Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Thanks Tom.My pleasure, Jim. I was already reading "The Devil's Chessboard" when you put up your EXCELLENT review. Based on that, I am AMAZED at how few have actually read this book, or have decided that since there's "No Smoking Gun" to prove Dulles did it, they have no desire to read it. Here is the picture I was talking about above, JFK getting the news of Lumumba's death which Dulles orchestrated. http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcongophone.jpg He knew at once that all his plans for the people of The Congo were gone. Had he been alive when Bobby was assassinated, that's the look I would have expected to see on his face. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Neal Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 By the way Tom, speaking of Mary Bancroft, one nice thing about being a semi-regular on BOR is we get letters from enthusiastic people who like listening. In response to my discussion of Talbot's book, a listener wrote in and said how much he enjoyed the discussion. He then added that he knew Mary Bancroft. He once asked her if she thought Dulles was in on the Kennedy assassination. She replied that it would not surprise her in the least. They were all a bunch of Nazis anyway. Thanks for sharing that, Jim. She positively NAILED IT with that "Nazi" comment. For those who haven't read the book, "Mistress" Mary and Clover Dulles referred to him as "Shark." As Bobby Darin sang: "When the SHARK bites..." Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Kaiser Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 By the way Tom, speaking of Mary Bancroft, one nice thing about being a semi-regular on BOR is we get letters from enthusiastic people who like listening. In response to my discussion of Talbot's book, a listener wrote in and said how much he enjoyed the discussion. He then added that he knew Mary Bancroft. He once asked her if she thought Dulles was in on the Kennedy assassination. She replied that it would not surprise her in the least. They were all a bunch of Nazis anyway. Thanks for sharing that, Jim. She positively NAILED IT with that "Nazi" comment. For those who haven't read the book, "Mistress" Mary and Clover Dulles referred to him as "Shark." As Bobby Darin sang: "When the SHARK bites..." Tom "When the SHARK bites" Sounds like something right out of a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon G. Tidd Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Tom Neal, FWIW, I've read a fair number of books and have found only a few worth reading. The histories: very few. Shelby Foote's history of the U.S. Civil War. DSL's "Best Evidence". Maybe Best Evidence isn't 100% correct, but it's a knife point. The enduring best books I've read include Tristam Shandy, by Laurence Sterne: I can't go on. Too many novels. Hemmingway said good writing was invention that was truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 The enduring best books I've read include Tristam Shandy, by Laurence Sterne: I can't go on. Too many novels. Try "The Power and the Glory" by Graham Greene (if you haven't already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kelly Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Scott: Your points are insightful. I am willing to separate the planning from the cover-up, as distinct players and impetus go. Dulles had few strong years left by 1961... but he was not a man to worry about losing his CIA job. I do think a legitimate case can be made that he was a psychopath. His contemporaries in government (e.g. Justice Goldberg) labelled him a traitor, and it was clear he was protecting United Fruit and rich interests abroad. His wife and his mistress both nicknamed him the "shark". To say he was a friend of Kennedy would be a stretch ... and I'm sure that Dulles was a guy who kept a few friends close, and his enemies even closer. It seemed JFK tried to give him a "soft landing" after he stepped down, and he was awarded the highest intelligence honors. But if you look at the work of Bill Kelly, Greg Parker and others, you'll se a distinct strategic pattern in the assassinations of Jorge Gaitán in 1948 in Columbia, the 1944 Valkyrie Plot, and the August 1962 attempt on Charles de Gaulle. The intelligence names commonly associated with the JFK hit are all Dulles' acolytes. It was obvious that he was instrumental in the cover-up ... but his hand and modus operandi are all over the planning and execution as well. For me, its a strong gut feeling (sixth sense) that doesn't go away, no matter what I read or learn. Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I gather from this "shark" business that Dulles' wife and mistress liked to sit around and talk about him. (Unless both of them calling him "shark" was just another dadgum coincidence.) I've got to hurry up and read that book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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