Did somebody screw up?

[Steve Thomas]

These are supposed to be two pictures of the same event - L.D. Montgomery bringing the bag out of the TSBD. Now, I'm no photographic expert, but, aside from the fact that the bag is bent in one picture, and not the other, it seems to me that these are two different events. The angles of the sun appear different. One picture has people in it that the other picture doesn't. Heck, are these even the same bags? Look at the creases in the two bags. Montgomery said that Studebaker dusted the bag for fingerprints.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. "Wait just a minute no; I didn't pick it up. I believe Mr. Studebaker did. We left it laying right there so they could check it for prints".
Mr. BALL. You say you dusted it?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. With that magnetic powders.

Looks like one bag has fingerprint powder on it and other doesn't.

Steve Thomas

[Sandy Larsen]

Years ago, when GMack used to still email me and discuss the case with me, he sent me the transcript of Montgomery's oral history which claimed he was holding a Venetian blind in the bag...

Say Whaaaaat??

Oswald himself said the bag contained blinds, right? I've never heard of any corroboration for that. (Though that actually isn't saying a lot, given that I'm a newb.) Can you tell me where to find Montgomery's oral history?

This is a big deal, is it not?

and here are a few to compare

What is that reddish-brown looking stuff seemingly painted on the paper bag"

Edited March 5, 2016 by Sandy Larsen

[David Josephs]

Fingerprint dust I believe and it is showing more reddish than normal as I tried to bring out markings and writing.

There were a few different bags created that day and not soon after... gets quite confusing but bottom line there was not an opportunity for Oswald to have made that bag at any time.... let alone get it to the Paines and get a rifle in it.

[Sandy Larsen]

The relative timing of these four events should be able to tell us something about the Mouser-to-Carcano transformation:

1) The shells that were found: 6.5 (When was this first reported to the press?)

2) Initial witnesses to the gun: 7.65 Mauser (11/22 news reports.)

3) Later witnesses to the gun: 6.5 Carcano (11/23 news reports.)

4) Backyard photos: Carcano (When was this first shown to the press?)

Of course, I've added only the back yard photo to what has already been discussed. I'm wondering if its timing will help in understanding the Mouser-Carcano transition better.

Can a Carcano (and NOT a Mouser with a protruding box magazine) definitely be identified in the early-released BY photos? What about the caliber?

[Tom Hume]

I’d like you to consider this possibility: Lee Oswald was working with others to both prevent the assassination, and to tell their assassination story. The group was led by Richard Case Nagell and they called themselves “ICO” (Igor, Case, Oswald). Richard Nagell was of course in jail on the 22nd, but the rest of the ICO team followed through with his plans, which included creating baffling enigmas with decodable puzzles embedded.

I won’t do any decoding in this post, but since there are some occasional numbers, ICO’s number/letter translation device is at the bottom.

Anagram of “Carcano”:

“A RC, A CON”

Anagram of “Mauser”:

“R AMUSE”

Anagram of “Mauser”:

“A ‘M’ RUSE”

Anagram of “Mauser”:

“A REMUS”

(Roman mythology: “Remus”, a “TWIN”. Keep the word “TWIN” in mind for later)

For the next anagram, it’s helpful to know that “ICO’s” term for the assassination was “E”.

“MAUSER” anagram:

“‘E’ MR. USA”

(“Mr. USA” is Kennedy)

Anagram of “Mauser/Carcano”:

“A MAUSER, A RC CON”

Anagram of “Mauser/Carcano”:

“CARCANO, R AMUSE”

Anagram of “Carcano C-2766”:

“RCN, ‘C’ GAG COACH”

Richard Nagell plucked anagrams from both his name and Oswald’s, and turned them into self-fulfilling prophesies - making them come to life in his assassination puzzles. There are many examples of this, and here’s a few that are pertinent. Richard Case Nagell anagrams to:

“A HIDELL GRACES A RCN”

If we wanted to include “C-2766 in an anagram of Richard Case Nagell, we would need the letters “C-CHGG”, but there is only one “G” ("6") in his name. “Richard Case Nagell” anagram:

“C-27... SERIAL END ALA ‘6’. R

Ah, but how about this one:

“C-276.... SEALER: DIAL A ‘N’. R”

Dial “N” on your phone, and it’s a “6”. We can now replace the “N” in Richard Case Nagell’s name with a “6”, and anagram;

“A C-2766 - ALL REALISED”

And that completes Nagell's little plan to have us hunt for the "6" he wanted us to find. And there are several other anagrams of "Richard Case Nagell" that lead us to the same place, completing the serial number of the Carcano. While this is not the best example, ICO puzzles jack you around, they let you know you're working on a man-made puzzle and not just making stuff up.

Earlier I asked you to keep the word “TWIN” in mind, and another mythological “TWIN” is “Casandra”. Sister of Helen of Troy, Casandra was cursed with always telling the truth, but never being believed. Here is another anagram of “Richard Case Nagell”:

“CASANDRA ILL, CHEER ‘6’”

And then there is the anagram of Richard Case Nagell’s public declaration as he was being arrested in an El Paso bank - “CAPITALISTIC SWINE” anagrams:

“CIA TWIN SPECIALIST”

Twin Carcanos and/or Mausers, twin Oswalds, twin belts, twin wallets, twin bags.

A couple more anagrams and I’ll be finished.

A few years ago John Dolva found a doodle that appears to be associated with Wesley Frazier and Lee Oswald.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0124-005.gif

For obvious reasons, I have called it the “James Branum Doodle”, and you can read more about this doodle here:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21775&hl=%2Bjames+%2Bbranum+%2Bdoodle

The name on the doodle, “JAMES BRANUM” anagrams to:

“JB, MAUSER MAN”

And the longer version, “JAMES BRANUM DOODLE”, anagrams to:

“JAMES BRADEN DO MU. LO”

Some of you may remember from other posts that one of ICO’s terms for “kill” or “dead” is “MU”.

I think the “James Branum Doodle” is an overlay of some sort that interfaces with the label of the “Undeliverable Package” but I’m a ways from figuring this out.

To finish off this post, here are a few pertinent anagrams of “Lee Harvey Oswald”:

(1) “A WES HELD OVERLAY”

(2) “WESLEY HAD A ROLE. V”

(3) “A WESLEY DROVE A LH”

(4) “WESLEY HAD REAL O. V”

(5) “WESLEY LOAD: HARVE”

(6) “WESLEY HAVE A ROD. L”

(7) “LO AHEAD WESLEY. RV”

(8) “A WESLEY, A H/V OLDER”

Etc.

It’s my personal belief that Richard Nagell knew all or most of the details of the Banister/Ferrie/Hoover assassination ground operation for many months prior to the deed. Nagell helped plan it, and this gave him and his ICO crew the control to hopefully prevent it, and to create enigmatic alibi puzzles should they fail.

I also suspect that Nagell recruited Wesley Frazier, both because of where his sister lived, and because of his name - “Wesley F”

Tom

Number/Letter translation device:

(A=0)(B=1)(C=2)(D=3)(E=4)(F=5)(G=6)(H=7)(I=8)(J=9)(K=10)(L=11)(M=12)(N=13)(O=14)(P=15)(Q=16)(R=17)(S=18)(T=19)(U=20)(V=21)(W=22)(X=23)(Y=24)(Z=25)

PS -

Since one of the topics of the last few post is the "BAG", a "TWIN BAG" was supposedly found inside the Undeliverable Package at the Irving Post Office. The label on this package is, I submit, the Rosetta Stone of ICO's puzzle system. The label contains 13 primary letters (the first letter of each word plus the numbers). From these 13 letters, we are supposed to find intended meaningful anagrams. The label reads:

For Lee Oswald

601 West Nassaus St

Dallas Texas

Irving Texas

The word "Dallas" is crossed out except for the "D", and Irving Texas is written below the label. Once we translate the "601" to "GAB", the primary letters are:

"FLOGABWNSDTIT", and one anagram of this is:

"LO TWIN BAG. DT 'SF'"

I said I wasn't going to do any decoding in this post, but I lied. We now need to use ICO's "DT" cypher (below) on the "SF" in the anagram above, and "SF" becomes, "IV". Our puzzle answer is now:

"LO TWIN BAG. IV"

We could also rearrange the above anagram:

"IV BAG, LO TWIN" ("IV BAG", read "IV BAGANOV")

There is much more to this interesting puzzle but I've said it all before.

The "DT" cypher (Double Talk)

A..B..C..D..E..F..G..H..I..J..K..L..M..N..O..P..Q..R..S..T..U..V..W..X..Y..Z

K..L..M..N..O.P..Q..R..S.T.U..V..W..X..Y...Z..A..B..C..D..E..F..G...H..I...J

Edited March 6, 2016 by Tom Hume

[Robert Prudhomme]

The relative timing of these four events should be able to tell us something about the Mouser-to-Carcano transformation:

1) The shells that were found: 6.5 (When was this first reported to the press?)

2) Initial witnesses to the gun: 7.65 Mauser (11/22 news reports.)

3) Later witnesses to the gun: 6.5 Carcano (11/23 news reports.)

4) Backyard photos: Carcano (When was this first shown to the press?)

Of course, I've added only the back yard photo to what has already been discussed. I'm wondering if its timing will help in understanding the Mouser-Carcano transition better.

Can a Carcano (and NOT a Mouser with a protruding box magazine) definitely be identified in the early-released BY photos? What about the caliber?

There is no doubt, at least to me anyways, that the rifle in the BYP's was a Carcano short rifle. Whether it was a 6.5 x 52mm M91/38 or a 7.35 x 51mm M38 is impossible to tell, as the two rifles are virtually identical except for calibre.

[Sandy Larsen]

The relative timing of these four events should be able to tell us something about the Mouser-to-Carcano transformation:

1) The shells that were found: 6.5 (When was this first reported to the press?)

2) Initial witnesses to the gun: 7.65 Mauser (11/22 news reports.)

3) Later witnesses to the gun: 6.5 Carcano (11/23 news reports.)

4) Backyard photos: Carcano (When was this first shown to the press?)

Of course, I've added only the back yard photo to what has already been discussed. I'm wondering if its timing will help in understanding the Mouser-Carcano transition better.

Can a Carcano (and NOT a Mouser with a protruding box magazine) definitely be identified in the early-released BY photos? What about the caliber?

We know that Oswald was allegedly shown a backyard photo during interrogation. But do we know for sure that he was?

Or was a BYP shown to the press on the 22nd or 23rd?

The answer to this is key. Because fabricating a photo isn't something that could have been done quickly, without any forethought. So if a BYP existed on the 22nd or 23rd, it would likely have been made in advance of the assassination. In which case it would mean that a Carcano was the rifle that plotters were originally going to use to frame Oswald. And that would make one wonder why a Mauser was initially found instead.

[Robert Prudhomme]

The relative timing of these four events should be able to tell us something about the Mouser-to-Carcano transformation:

1) The shells that were found: 6.5 (When was this first reported to the press?)

2) Initial witnesses to the gun: 7.65 Mauser (11/22 news reports.)

3) Later witnesses to the gun: 6.5 Carcano (11/23 news reports.)

4) Backyard photos: Carcano (When was this first shown to the press?)

Of course, I've added only the back yard photo to what has already been discussed. I'm wondering if its timing will help in understanding the Mouser-Carcano transition better.

Can a Carcano (and NOT a Mouser with a protruding box magazine) definitely be identified in the early-released BY photos? What about the caliber?

We know that Oswald was allegedly shown a backyard photo during interrogation. But do we know for sure that he was?

Or was a BYP shown to the press on the 22nd or 23rd?

The answer to this is key. Because fabricating a photo isn't something that could have been done quickly, without any forethought. So if a BYP existed on the 22nd or 23rd, it would likely have been made in advance of the assassination. In which case it would mean that a Carcano was the rifle that plotters were originally going to use to frame Oswald. And that would make one wonder why a Mauser was initially found instead.

Yes, it does not make a lot of sense, unless the plotters wanted everyone to think it was a conspiracy. Remember, the conspiracy was separate from the cover up, and likely was not being run by the same people.

[Sandy Larsen]

The relative timing of these four events should be able to tell us something about the Mouser-to-Carcano transformation:

1) The shells that were found: 6.5 (When was this first reported to the press?)

2) Initial witnesses to the gun: 7.65 Mauser (11/22 news reports.)

3) Later witnesses to the gun: 6.5 Carcano (11/23 news reports.)

4) Backyard photos: Carcano (When was this first shown to the press?)

Of course, I've added only the back yard photo to what has already been discussed. I'm wondering if its timing will help in understanding the Mouser-Carcano transition better.

Can a Carcano (and NOT a Mouser with a protruding box magazine) definitely be identified in the early-released BY photos? What about the caliber?

We know that Oswald was allegedly shown a backyard photo during interrogation. But do we know for sure that he was?

Or was a BYP shown to the press on the 22nd or 23rd?

The answer to this is key. Because fabricating a photo isn't something that could have been done quickly, without any forethought. So if a BYP existed on the 22nd or 23rd, it would likely have been made in advance of the assassination. In which case it would mean that a Carcano was the rifle that plotters were originally going to use to frame Oswald. And that would make one wonder why a Mauser was initially found instead.

Yes, it does not make a lot of sense, unless the plotters wanted everyone to think it was a conspiracy. Remember, the conspiracy was separate from the cover up, and likely was not being run by the same people.

Exactly! Good point.

I've said this before, that the the cover-up conspiracy was at odds with the assassination conspiracy in one respect. And that is that the assassination plotters wanted to implicate Castro and KGB as being behind the assassination, whereas the cover-up folks wanted to stifle that angle at any cost.

[Sandy Larsen]

Did somebody screw up and plant the wrong shells?

I've been trying to determine why a 7.65 German Mauser had to be changed to a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano.

Here's a scenario that I believe works and seems plausible:

Before the assassination, a 6.5 caliber Carcano is chosen by plotters to be the patsy's weapon. Backyard photos showing Oswald with the Carcano are faked.

After the assassination and Oswald's arrest, it is quickly decided that it would be prudent to place the blame squarely on one person, Oswald, so as to avoid talk of Castro or KGB involvement. Officials at the FBI and DPD are advised of this decision.

The DPD locates two guns and shells from each on the 6th floor of the TSBD. One gun is a 6.5 Carcano, the other a 7.65 Mouser. The DPD somehow decides that the 7.65 Mouser was Oswald's weapon. So they hide the 6.5 Carcano and its empty shells.

The DPD re-plants the Mouser and its three shells. The three shells are officially found first, and later the Mouser is officially found.

A BIG MISTAKE is soon discovered by the DPD... one of its dopey officers had planted the wrong shells! The ones they planted -- which were photographed by the press -- were the 6.5 caliber ones for the Carcano.

Oops!

A second BIG MISTAKE is discovered by the DPD when they see the backyard photos... they had chosen the wrong gun for Oswald! The backyard photos show a Carcano, not a Mouser.

The obvious fix for both these problems is to backtrack on the Mouser story. So the DPD reports that the officers mistook the Carcano as a Mouser... an innocent mistake.

And that is why a 7.65 Mauser had to be changed to a 6.5 Carcano.

[Jim Hargrove]

Perhaps Bob Prudhomme could comment on the observations of Malcom Price. If Price saw “Oswald” at the Sports Drome Rifle Range with a Mauser less than a month before the hit, then it would seem that the plotters would have made certain a Mauser was found on the TSBD 6^th floor. If that rifle had ties to Castro (such as the Savage rifles “Lee Oswald” attempted to buy from Castro gunrunner Robert McKeown), then it would make sense that it had to disappear in order to blame the assassination on a Lone Nut.

From Harvey and Lee:

While Harvey was relaxing at 1026 N. Beckley, Lee Oswald once again visited

the Sports Drome Rifle Range. Malcolm Price was shooting in booth #9 and recog-

nized Oswald in the adjoining booth (#8) as the man whose rifle he sighted in during

the evening of October 26. He asked Oswald if his gun was still sighted-in properly

and Oswald replied, "It is shooting just fine."

Commission attorney Liebeler asked Mr. Price, "Did you see the rifle closely

that day-you must have handled it in looking through the scope?" Price replied, "Oh,

yes, I handled it--it was a Mauser-type rifle .... it's strictly a military rifle and it's pat­

terned after the German Mauser .... I thought it was a Mauser because there's a friend

of mine in Grand Prairie that has an Argentine Mauser that was 7.6 and it looked very

familiar-they looked a whole lot alike."

Price continued to describe the rifle and said, "I looked for a brand name so I

could see approximately where it was made, and the only thing that I could find on it

was a serial number.... I saw the serial number and the gun wasn't blued at the time-it

had a bright finish on the barrel. It looked like it had been placed in a lathe and turned

down, as far as-well, in an attempt to sporterize the gun."

Liebeler then showed Price a photograph of the 6.5mm Italian rifle found by

the Dallas Police at the TSBD and asked him if it was the same rifle. Price replied,

"Except for the sling and the forepiece-I would say they are the same gun. The gun

had no sling on it. It did have the mounts on the side for a sling ..... the forepiece is this

top wooden piece; of course, that could be taken off and replaced very easily."

NOTE: It is doubtful the gun Price saw at the rifle range was the gun found at the

TSBD. If it was the same rifle then it was "blued" by a local gunsmith less than 5 days

before the assassination.

Liebeler asked, "Is this the same kind of scope that you saw on the rifle that

Oswald had, the fellow you thought was Oswald?" Price replied, "I believe it was a

Tascosa, since I examined it-it was a Japanese made scope. They make several differ­

ent brands of those things-it could be any of them, but I believe, as I remember it-it

was a Tascosa."

NOTE: The scope on the rifle found at the TSBD was a Japanese-made scope with

"Ordinance Optics" clearly stamped on the housing.

Malcolm Price told the Commission, "It's one of the clearest telescopes that I

have ever seen-one of the brightest ..... He said that he got the thing from a gunsmith in

Cedar Hill for a debt, the gun, and that he bought the scope and that the gunsmith

mounted it for him." Lee Oswald told Price, "It's a Japanese scope and I gave

$18.00 for it."

NOTE: Price told the Commission he didn't know of any gunsmith in Cedar Hill. He

was then shown photographs of Harvey Oswald which had been marked "Pizzo Ex.

No . 453A, 453B, and 453C" (Oswald handing out FPCC literature in New Orleans)

and a photograph of Oswald taken at DPD Headquarters after his arrest. Price identi­

fied all of the photographs as the man he had seen at the rifle range. ¹³⁵

After Price finished looking at Oswald's scope, he (Price) left and booth No. 9

was soon occupied by 58-year-old Garland Glenwill Slack, a heating contractor and real

estate developer. When Lee Oswald began firing at Mr. Slack's target he became angry

and complained to the owner of the range, Floyd Davis.

--Harvey and Lee, pp 773-774

Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong

[Ron Ecker]

[i've said this before, that the the cover-up conspiracy was at odds with the assassination conspiracy in one respect. And that is that the assassination plotters wanted to implicate Castro and KGB as being behind the assassination, whereas the cover-up folks wanted to stifle that angle at any cost.

It does not have to be different people at odds with each other. The same people who planned the assassination to be seen as a "Castro plot" quickly changed their minds when Oswald got himself arrested. They went to a lone nut scenario, then quickly got rid of the lone nut.

[Sandy Larsen]

[i've said this before, that the the cover-up conspiracy was at odds with the assassination conspiracy in one respect. And that is that the assassination plotters wanted to implicate Castro and KGB as being behind the assassination, whereas the cover-up folks wanted to stifle that angle at any cost.

It does not have to be different people at odds with each other. The same people who planned the assassination to be seen as a "Castro plot" quickly changed their minds when Oswald got himself arrested. They went to a lone nut scenario, then quickly got rid of the lone nut.

Ron,

Are you saying that Oswald may have intentionally gotten himself arrested?

I have other questions regarding your comment, but want to understand what you meant by "Oswald got himself arrested" first.

[Gary Murr]

Sandy Larsen asked:

"What is that reddish-brown looking stuff seemingly painted on the paper bag."

I believe if you check he FBI lab file records you will find that employees of the lab basically used three different compounds/method processes in their attempts to find any latent fingerprints on "papers" or paper materials gathered as theoretical evidence in the assassination case, the TSBD bag included. These compounds were iodine fuming, ninhydrin, and silver nitrate. It is my understanding that all of these same processes, and in particular the combination of applied iodine fuming and silver nitrate, causes a discoloration of the paper, in particular with the passage of time. I had occasion to view the paper bag at NARA and can attest to the reddish discoloration visibly apparent on the TSBD bag.

FWIW

Gary Murr

[Sandy Larsen]

Perhaps Bob Prudhomme could comment on the observations of Malcom Price. If Price saw “Oswald” at the Sports Drome Rifle Range with a Mauser less than a month before the hit, then it would seem that the plotters would have made certain a Mauser was found on the TSBD 6^th floor. If that rifle had ties to Castro (such as the Savage rifles “Lee Oswald” attempted to buy from Castro gunrunner Robert McKeown), then it would make sense that it had to disappear in order to blame the assassination on a Lone Nut.

From Harvey and Lee:

While Harvey was relaxing at 1026 N. Beckley, Lee Oswald once again visited

the Sports Drome Rifle Range. Malcolm Price was shooting in booth #9 and recog-

nized Oswald in the adjoining booth (#8) as the man whose rifle he sighted in during

the evening of October 26. He asked Oswald if his gun was still sighted-in properly

and Oswald replied, "It is shooting just fine."

Commission attorney Liebeler asked Mr. Price, "Did you see the rifle closely

that day-you must have handled it in looking through the scope?" Price replied, "Oh,

yes, I handled it--it was a Mauser-type rifle .... it's strictly a military rifle and it's pat­

terned after the German Mauser .... I thought it was a Mauser because there's a friend

of mine in Grand Prairie that has an Argentine Mauser that was 7.6 and it looked very

familiar-they looked a whole lot alike."

Price continued to describe the rifle and said, "I looked for a brand name so I

could see approximately where it was made, and the only thing that I could find on it

was a serial number.... I saw the serial number and the gun wasn't blued at the time-it

had a bright finish on the barrel. It looked like it had been placed in a lathe and turned

down, as far as-well, in an attempt to sporterize the gun."

Liebeler then showed Price a photograph of the 6.5mm Italian rifle found by

the Dallas Police at the TSBD and asked him if it was the same rifle. Price replied,

"Except for the sling and the forepiece-I would say they are the same gun. The gun

had no sling on it. It did have the mounts on the side for a sling ..... the forepiece is this

top wooden piece; of course, that could be taken off and replaced very easily."

NOTE: It is doubtful the gun Price saw at the rifle range was the gun found at the

TSBD. If it was the same rifle then it was "blued" by a local gunsmith less than 5 days

before the assassination.

Liebeler asked, "Is this the same kind of scope that you saw on the rifle that

Oswald had, the fellow you thought was Oswald?" Price replied, "I believe it was a

Tascosa, since I examined it-it was a Japanese made scope. They make several differ­

ent brands of those things-it could be any of them, but I believe, as I remember it-it

was a Tascosa."

NOTE: The scope on the rifle found at the TSBD was a Japanese-made scope with

"Ordinance Optics" clearly stamped on the housing.

Malcolm Price told the Commission, "It's one of the clearest telescopes that I

have ever seen-one of the brightest ..... He said that he got the thing from a gunsmith in

Cedar Hill for a debt, the gun, and that he bought the scope and that the gunsmith

mounted it for him." Lee Oswald told Price, "It's a Japanese scope and I gave

$18.00 for it."

NOTE: Price told the Commission he didn't know of any gunsmith in Cedar Hill. He

was then shown photographs of Harvey Oswald which had been marked "Pizzo Ex.

No . 453A, 453B, and 453C" (Oswald handing out FPCC literature in New Orleans)

and a photograph of Oswald taken at DPD Headquarters after his arrest. Price identi­

fied all of the photographs as the man he had seen at the rifle range. ¹³⁵

After Price finished looking at Oswald's scope, he (Price) left and booth No. 9

was soon occupied by 58-year-old Garland Glenwill Slack, a heating contractor and real

estate developer. When Lee Oswald began firing at Mr. Slack's target he became angry

and complained to the owner of the range, Floyd Davis.

--Harvey and Lee, pp 773-774

Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong

Jim you have an interesting take on the Mauser found at the TSBD.

I see from what you write here and what you just wrote in your Armstrong Mail Order Rifle thread that you believe that the Mouser found at the TSBD may have shortly thereafter been found to have apparent connections to Cuba. (I hope I characterize what you've said correctly.) The purpose of these connections being to implicate Castro in the assassination.

I have two questions:

1. In your hypothesis, how do you account for the rifle in the backyard photos being a Carcano, not a Mouser?

2. Did the Mouser found in the TSBD match the description of the Mouser used at the rifle range, as described by Price. (I don't personally know if the Mauser found at the TSBD was ever described in a statement or news report.)