Steve Thomas Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: "Run" may be too strong a word, but, I just ran across an interesting memo from J. Walter Yeagley in the Department of Justice to J. Edgar Hoover dated January 21, 1964. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=147533&search=Sargen#relPageId=2&tab=page The memo said that “Gutiérrez Menoyo is now a “registered Army source” in the intelligence source registry maintained by the Central Intelligence Agency.” Wouldn't you like to get your hands on that registry! I keep going back to the DOD Bartimo Letter of 24 Apr 1964 with Attachments (CD 852). https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11249 Buried in this Memorandum of Understanding is a kind of gentleman's agreement that says, "if you keep your hands off my sources, I'll keep my hands off yours". The only way that would work is if there is some kind of "intelligence source registry" that one could consult, or; if you don't have one, at least keep some pretty close liaison work going. (I don't want to derail this thread, but I sort of think that's what happened with the DonnelWhitter/Lawrence Miller/Jack Ruby gun deal that went bad. Ellsworth is running a sting and the local cops and FBI jumped the gun and the whole thing got FUBARed.) Thanks guys. I need to go read all the documents you guys referenced. I'll be back in a week or so. (or two) Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 6 hours ago, David Boylan said: Steve/Ron, Lots of Colonels in this doc. http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/180-10104-10394.pdf David, I liked this paragraph from page 12 of the pdf file: "Some discussion of possibly passing info to CIA for their recommendation. This suggestion turned down by Landsdale, who felt CIA, when informed, then took over op. Also in no better position to determine national policy." Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 6 hours ago, David Boylan said: Steve/Ron, Lots of Colonels in this doc. http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/180-10104-10394.pdf David, There are a lot of references to AUTOBOAT in this document. Do you have any idea what AUTOBOAT is? Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: David, There are a lot of references to AUTOBOAT in this document. Do you have any idea what AUTOBOAT is? Steve Thomas Steve, I do not have any idea what AUTOBOAT is but I'll do some digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 hours ago, David Boylan said: Steve, I do not have any idea what AUTOBOAT is but I'll do some digging. I have this doc with AUTOBOAT https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10003-10411.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Looks like a crypt for an individual not a project or group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Clark said: I have this doc with AUTOBOAT https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10003-10411.pdf Michael, What an incredible document! While the From line is blank, the orginator is INSCOM/CSF INSCOM/CSF The United States Army Intelligence and Security Command / Counterintelligence Source Files Compare paragraph 3(e) page3, to paragraph 7(b) page 4. Ouch! Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 There are quite a few great links to documents here http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/belligerence/Alpha-66-1-CIA.pdf once you erase the address back to the last "\" you get a list of links including the rest of these CIA as well as a FBI version... Here's a JULY 7 1962 report talking about VECIANA looking for more money.. by Sept 6 the CIA is informing the Military Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 And here's page 1 from the FBI series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: Michael, What an incredible document! While the From line is blank, the orginator is INSCOM/CSF INSCOM/CSF The United States Army Intelligence and Security Command / Counterintelligence Source Files Compare paragraph 3(e) page3, to paragraph 7(b) page 4. Ouch! Steve Thomas A few more https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10003-10388.pdf Veciana requesting Army assistance https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10003-10408.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10003-10413.pdf As seen in an above document, AUDITION seems to be related to AUTOBOAT... https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10003-10417.pdf Handwritten. I haven’t read this yet https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10003-10419.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. A. Copeland Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 The thing that gnaws at my brain is....well Veciana has been talking somewhat for decades....yet this set of even deeper questions concerning his life and activities remain shadowy....I mean what gives? This is amazing work guys, I’ll be busy for a long time reading all of these. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 B.A., We'll need your report on this by Friday. 📰 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 You raise and interesting question B.A. Actually we have had at least some documents outlining the contacts by the Army with Alpha 66, their direct contacts with Veciana and their designation of him as an informant for Army intelligence for a relatively long time. I had some of those documents as long ago as 2005 when I was working on the first edition of SWHT. My memory is far from perfect but I don't recall Veciana talking to Fonzi about the Army contacts and the Army interest in Alpha 66. I wonder if Veciana discussed it in his recently published autobiography - where he presents a greatly expanded role with the CIA inside Cuba. For those more current with those books, does this sort of Army connection - on them? And does Veciana significantly expand on the sorts of activities with Alpha 66 that are described in these new documents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) This one looked pretty interesting to me. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10012-10040.pdf Veciana seems pretty tight with that Army in January of '63. More on AUTOBOAT https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/jfk army record %23 194-10003-10422.pdf Edited July 3, 2018 by Michael Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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