Douglas Caddy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 FBI, DA’s office found Clay Bertrand in 1967 http://hlarledgebooks.com/2019/07/garrisons-office-found-real-clay-bertrand-in-1967/?fbclid=IwAR2JbYPHv9lvH96z0f37cDfz_rDQkhzSauTsco6xplCC77dMMTdsK4t_oss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) X Edited July 11, 2019 by W. Niederhut Misspelled "Bertrand" -- duplicate/corrected post below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: This story reminds me of the CIA's lame ruse regarding J. Edgar Hoover's November 1963 memo about debriefing a "Mr. George Bush of the CIA." GHWB and his CIA minions claimed that the memo referred to a CIA accountant named George William Bush. If I recall correctly, from Destiny Betrayed, Jim Garrison had definitive proof that Clay Shaw often used the alias, "Clay Bertrand." It was common knowledge in French Quarter circles. I think Shaw had even admitted using that alias-- which was derived from the name of a 13th century Pope (?) Clement V who was famous for defending persecuted homosexuals. Didn't Dean Andrews also admit that Shaw used the alias Clay Bertrand during referrals for legal defense of homosexuals in the New Orleans community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) Opelousas is near Lafayette. That is way north of New Orleans by well over 100 miles. If one recalls, Andrews said Bertrand used to call him on the phone about some "gay Mexicano kids" who Bertrand sent to him. In other words it was local court. Liebeler asked Andrews if by "gay" he meant homosexual, to which Andrews said yes it did. (Destiny Betrayed, second edition, p. 87) Now, with these Hispanics was Oswald. Who wished to review his military discharge. One of these Hispanics visited him again later, again with Oswald.(ibid) This Arledge guy also said on Facebook that there was no Bertrand in New Orleans in 1967. The VIP room roster which Shaw signed as Bertrand was dated in December of 1966. That piece of evidence was so damaging that the CIA talked a guy who could corroborate it out of his story. (ibid, p. 278) The evidence that Shaw was Bertrand is today overwhelming. It comes in many forms: 1. FBI declassified memoranda 2. Justice Department to the NY Times 3. Garrison's reports-this includes Shaw's former maid, and indirectly, Oswald himself 4. Private researchers' interviews, e.g. Joan Mellen and Bill Turner 5. Tangible evidence of the VIP room and the police record upon Shaw's arrest. 6. As WN says above, Dean Andrews admitted it to Weisberg but swore him to secrecy. (Ibid, Pp 387-88) But to me, the most startling piece of evidence in this regard was the declassified memo by DeLoach that the FBI was investigating Shaw as part of their original inquiry in 1963. He then added that "several parties" furnished "information concerning Shaw" at that time. If Mr. Arledge is unaware of this info, then he should educate himself in a hurry because he is misinforming his readers. Edited July 11, 2019 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Mileto Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 This Clay Bertrand was interviewed in the last couple of years before he died. The article on him gave absolutely no reasonable link between him and Andrews or Oswald. http://hlarledgebooks.com/2019/07/garrisons-office-found-real-clay-bertrand-in-1967/ http://hlarledgebooks.com/2019/07/clay-bertrand-dead-at-80/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Yes, it's truly a shame that guys like Arledge are still cranking out this kind of disinformation about Garrison's investigation of Clay Shaw, in 2019. There's no excuse for such willful ignorance (or dishonesty.) Someone should tell Arledge to get a clue and study Destiny Betrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I had several concerns with the article. Too many to type now as I am on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Johnson Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 How in the 28 years since Oliver Stones 1991 film JFK was this peanut the only person to find a man called Clay Bertrand that had lived in Louisiana from 1962 until 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Mileto Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Dean Andrews testified that he first met Bertrand in the "earl 1950's". This Bertrand would have been a teenager at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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