# Unveiling The Limo Stop

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The (Gold Standard) is the Dave Wiegman film.

Convert Wiegman frames into seconds dividing by 24fps.

The following three sync points between Wiegman and Z are the solution:

1. Z313/Wiegman Frame73.45 = (80 - (24/18.3) x 5) = 6.55 frames).                  2.Wiegman80/Z318                3. Wiegman264/Z447

Convert Wiegman frames into seconds dividing by 24fps.

This means that the extant Z313 headshot = Wiegman frame 73.45/24 = 3.06seconds x 18.3fps = 56Z frames.

The extant z313 head shot occurred 3.06 sec after Wiegman started filming.

If the extant Z film was genuine, then 56 frames previous to Z313 would equal the start of Wiegman’s film = Z257.

This is impossible because at Z257, we would see Mayor Cabell’s car in the background of the Altgen’s 6 photo.(Dale Myers Multi Sync Project Disqualified)

Mark Tyler (using his Motorcade Animation) resolves the Cabell dilemma by moving the Wiegman starting point to the equivalent of extant Z295.

The frame difference between where the Wiegman film should and shouldn’t start (Z257-Z295) is 38 Zframes. Remember this.

The equivalent of five Zframes (the reaction time of both Wiegman/Z) after the extant Z313 headshot is the sync of Wiegman80/Z318 = 3.33seconds after the Wiegman film starts.

Couple this with the Wiegman264/Z447 sync.

Wiegman264 - Wiegman80 = Wiegman184 / 24fps = 7.666 seconds

So, from the start of Wiegman’s film to where it sync’s with Z447 = 3.333 + 7.666 = 11seconds. (See original Wiegman TV broadcast version)

Mark Tyler has the Wiegman start correct, but this will not work with the Wiegman264/Z447 sync.

Z295 + (11seconds (Wiegman264 sync) x 18.3fps) = 201.3 + 295 = Z496.3 = a difference of 496.3 - 447 = 49.3 Frames

Dale Myers has Wiegman start at z246 + 49.3 = z295.3 = Mark Tyler’s Wiegman start

Difference of 16.82/18.3 fps over 129Z frames(z318-z447) = 129/16.82 = 7.669sec - 129/18.3 = 7.049 sec = .62sec x 18.3 = 11.35 frames + 38 = 49.35 frames

What works for Mark is Z447-Z318 = 129Z frames / 16.82fps = 7.66seconds (One 18.3fps camera winding down or two cameras?)

Wiegman264 = 11 seconds from the Wiegman start = 264/11 = 24fps

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Establish Wiegman Frame Rate:

The same frames on the left are from the same original film version shown live on TV 11-22-1963. They are portrayed using two different movie players One that shows total frames and the other shows time elapsed.

The frame on the right is from my progressive version of the Wiegman film. It includes the first 27.2 seconds of uninterrupted running time.

The bottom graphic is the end of the 27.2 second span.

The conversion back to the original frame rate is 4/5 = .8 multiplier.

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BTW, my Quicktime frame counter begins with 0 not 1, so in total frames it will be 1 more than what the counter displays. I have denoted that in red within the graphic below.

Z317 no camera shake, Z318 first camera shake after extant z313 headshot.

Wiegman79 no camera shake, Wiegman80 first camera shake frame.

Both Z/Wiegman reacted in the same amount of time to the extant 313 headshot.

Both Mark Tyler and Dale Myers plotted the sync of Z447 to Wiegman265 (1-265) = 264 frames. I agree.

I added Bell as an extra check.

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2 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

BTW, my Quicktime frame counter begins with 0 not 1, so in total frames it will be 1 more than what the counter displays. I have denoted that in red within the graphic below.

Z317 no camera shake, Z318 first camera shake after extant z313 headshot.

Wiegman79 no camera shake, Wiegman80 first camera shake frame.

Both Z/Wiegman reacted in the same amount of time to the extant 313 headshot.

Both Mark Tyler and Dale Myers plotted the sync of Z447 to Wiegman265 (1-265) = 264 frames. I agree.

I added Bell as an extra check.

Nice work. You could also add the Altgens 1-7, going into the Triple Underpass, if you wish...

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Thanks Pamela, I'll keep that in mind.

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Mark's plotting of Cabell and the National Presspool car at Z295. Notice the CameraCar1 LOS in yellow for both vehicles.

I've included Wiegman2 since Wiegman1 is even more quality challenged.

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5 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

Nice work. You could also add the Altgens 1-7, going into the Triple Underpass, if you wish...

How close did the limo get to the curb?

Why is the car clearly tilted to the driver side?

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Part 2 continuation:

Z318-Z447 = 129Z frames / 7.666seconds = 16.82fps

Z447-Z486 = 39Z frames/16.82fps = 2.318seconds

So, from Z318-Z486 = 7.666 + 2.318 = 9.984seconds

The extant film from z133-z318@18.3 fps =10.1seconds

10.1 + 9.984 + 38Z missing frames(2.076 sec) = 22.16 seconds (See Schwartz video clip)

The excising started at approx extant Z280 = five frames after Kennedy’s right forehead hair flap. (Use MPI Sprocket hole version)

Greer hit the brakes hard, probably stopped instantaneously then rolled on.

Z280 + 38 = z318 + 38 missing frames = remove every other frame to double speed of limo on film.

From Z280-Z301(21 x 2 frames = 42 real frames) the limo speed would have actually been 9.71mph/2 = 4.85mph

4.85mph@18.3fps = .39ft per frame x 42 frames = 16.38ft

From Z301-Z318(17 x 2 = 34 real frames) the limo speed would have actually been 7.47mph/2 = 3.74mph

34frames @ .3ft per frame = 10.2ft (Brehm Statement)

Z313-Z318 @ .3ft per frame = 1.5ft + (Station#465.3-442.3) = 24.5ft (See West Plat-Distance between shot 2 and 3)

Mandel z207-z281 = 74 frames (see description)

Mandel 48 frames later = Mandel 281 + 32 + 16(half of 32) = 313

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Hi Chris, I am fascinated by your research but don't understand it well. I have believed for some time that : The extant film does not accurately record the result of the braking limo, JFK's head-snap is an artifact from a long drop forward of his head due to braking and thus explains the conflicting evidence for the direction on rear blowout of the head wound. (It was more upwards and is missing from the extant film).

You have stated that your work agrees with Mark Tyler's excellent research but you are saying your conclusions diverge at Z280. Is that correct?

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6 hours ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

Hi Chris, I am fascinated by your research but don't understand it well.

Thanks Eddy

I have believed for some time that :The extant film does not accurately record the result of the braking limo,

I agree.

JFK's head-snap is an artifact from a long drop forward of his head due to braking and thus explains the conflicting evidence for the direction on rear blowout of the head wound. (It was more upwards and is missing from the extant film).

I'm not trying to (directly) prove or disprove the head snap or rear blow out with this topic.

You have stated that your work agrees with Mark Tyler's excellent research

Mostly.

but you are saying your conclusions diverge at Z280. Is that correct?

That's where I believe the excising starts and I'll be expanding on that.

Eddy,

I just posted Part 2.

I'll be supplying more supporting graphics for this part.

Be patient.

The main point being Wiegman is a true clock, Zapruder is not.

There are 38Z frames = (2.076 seconds) missing between 2 distinct sync points among these two films.

They are not missing from Dave Wiegman's film.

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9 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

Extant film time with missing frames included:

The extant film from z133-z318@18.3 fps =10.1seconds

Z318-Z447 = 129Z frames / 16.82fps = 7.666seconds

Z447-Z486 = 39Z frames/16.82fps = 2.318seconds

10.1 + 7.666 + 2.318 + (2.076 missing seconds)= 22.16 seconds

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1 hour ago, Chris Davidson said:

Eddy,

I just posted Part 2.

I'll be supplying more supporting graphics for this part.

Be patient.

The main point being Wiegman is a true clock, Zapruder is not.

There are 38Z frames = (2.076 seconds) missing between 2 distinct sync points among these two films.

They are not missing from Dave Wiegman's film.

Thank you for responding Chris. I certainly don't intend to derail your thread. It's very difficult not to surmise what is in the missing frames but I understand the huge significance of identifying there are missing frames.

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10 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

The excising started at approx extant Z280 = five frames after Kennedy’s right forehead hair flap. (Use MPI Sprocket hole version)

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There were 38 frames excised + the remaining 38 frames = 76 frames.

The hairflap on Z appears at z275 = 5 frames before Z280.

76 + 5 = 81 Z frames between the hairflap and extant z313 shot.

81/18.3 = 4.42 seconds

Just substitute Hickey's second of the two with the word "last".

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3 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

The excising started at approx extant Z280 = five frames after Kennedy’s right forehead hair flap.

Just look for production errors that arose around Z280 supporting some sequence of frame removal.

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