Robbie Robertson Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Johnny Cairns is an electrician living in Edinburgh. He first got interested in President Kennedy through his father, Robert Cairns. Since then, he has held an undying admiration for Jack Kennedy and what he stood for. Through familiarizing himself with the facts of this crime, he has also became an advocate for the innocence of his alleged assassin, Lee Oswald. Through the various friendship’s developed with other researchers and making the trip to Dallas in 2018, he has spoken at JFK Lancer presenting the case for Oswald’s innocence and co-authored a book which is due for release at the end of 2021, titled “Case Not Closed.” Out Of The Blank #1192 - Johnny Cairns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Johnny is incorrect at the 42:00 minute mark when her states that Capt. Will Fritz primes Calloway prior to the Oswald line-up, it was in fact Jim Leavelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Robertson Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, Pete Mellor said: Johnny is incorrect at the 42:00 minute mark when her states that Capt. Will Fritz primes Calloway prior to the Oswald line-up, it was in fact Jim Leavelle. When it’s a conversation show it’s hard to get every specific right especially with the immense amount of names involved in the JFK case, but I’ll have to look into Jim Leavelle if I’m not mistaken that was one of the detectives who escorted Oswald before Jack ruby killed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamey Flanagan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 @Robbie RobertsonYes, good old Jim Leavelle was one of the two cops escorting Oswald during his transfer when Ruby shot LHO. And I think it was something he told a reporter privately, but when asked about how the DPD felt about the case of JFK's murder he said they didn't place any more importance on that case than if it had been the homicide of a South Dallas n***er. JFK was not a popular president in Dallas generally. The DPD had a very different response to the killing of Tippit. He was one of their own, a fellow officer. They took that murder personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Robbie Robertson said: When it’s a conversation show it’s hard to get every specific right especially with the immense amount of names involved in the JFK case, but I’ll have to look into Jim Leavelle if I’m not mistaken that was one of the detectives who escorted Oswald before Jack ruby killed him Oh sure Robbie, I'm certain that Johnny just got the two names crossed. My correction was for other listeners to your programme. Yes Jim Leavelle was in charge of most of Oswald's line-ups, although if memory is correct, Fritz had some input as to the members of the DPD that were used in the line-ups. +yes Jim Leavelle was cuffed to Oswald in the basement when he was shot by Ruby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brown Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I doubt Johnny Cairns meant Leavelle when he said "Captain Will Fritz". During Callaway's time up on the witness stand in the 1986 London trial, Callaway says "Chief of detectives Will Fritz" was with him during the lineup. Callaway misspoke and, in my opinion, Johnny Cairns watched the 1986 trial and is not educated on this matter enough to know any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brown Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 45 minute mark... Cairns says that Warren Reynolds, before he was shot in the head, stated that Oswald was not the guy he saw running from the scene. Cairn's point is that Reynolds changed his tune after he was shot. The problem for Cairns is that Reynolds does not say that the man he saw was not Oswald. In fact, before he was shot, Reynolds told the FBI that he was of the opinion that the man he saw was Oswald but that he (Reynolds) would hesitate to definitely identify Oswald. That is a far cry from saying the man was NOT Oswald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Griffith Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 It's nice to see a WC critic who is under 40 and who is writing about the case. That's encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Robertson Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Bill Brown said: 45 minute mark... Cairns says that Warren Reynolds, before he was shot in the head, stated that Oswald was not the guy he saw running from the scene. Cairn's point is that Reynolds changed his tune after he was shot. The problem for Cairns is that Reynolds does not say that the man he saw was not Oswald. In fact, before he was shot, Reynolds told the FBI that he was of the opinion that the man he saw was Oswald but that he (Reynolds) would hesitate to definitely identify Oswald. That is a far cry from saying the man was NOT Oswald. How did he change his tune after being shot in the head or was that a mistype or missing period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brown Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Robbie Robertson said: How did he change his tune after being shot in the head or was that a mistype or missing period. Robbie, Warren Reynolds saw the fleeing gunman coming south (towards him) on Patton. Reynolds followed the guy for a bit. Reynolds told the FBI that he was of the opinion that the man he saw was Lee Oswald. Then... Warren Reynolds is shot in the head while closing up the Johnnie Reynolds Motor Co. one night. This was months before he testified to the Warren Commission. He told the Warren Commission that in his mind, the man was Oswald. In your interview with Cairns, Johnny mistakingly states that Warren Reynolds said the man was not Oswald. Cairns goes on to say that once Reynolds is shot in the head, he (Reynolds) all of a sudden says that Oswald was indeed the man he saw. Cairns' point, though quite incorrect, is that Reynolds said the man was not Oswald, then gets shot, then says the man was Oswald after all. But... Reynolds never said the man was NOT Oswald in the first place, as incorrectly claimed by Johnny Cairns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Robertson Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Bill Brown said: Robbie, Warren Reynolds saw the fleeing gunman coming south (towards him) on Patton. Reynolds followed the guy for a bit. Reynolds told the FBI that he was of the opinion that the man he saw was Lee Oswald. Then... Warren Reynolds is shot in the head while closing up the Johnnie Reynolds Motor Co. one night. This was months before he testified to the Warren Commission. He told the Warren Commission that in his mind, the man was Oswald. In your interview with Cairns, Johnny mistakingly states that Warren Reynolds said the man was not Oswald. Cairns goes on to say that once Reynolds is shot in the head, he (Reynolds) all of a sudden says that Oswald was indeed the man he saw. Cairns' point, though quite incorrect, is that Reynolds said the man was not Oswald, then gets shot, then says the man was Oswald after all. But... Reynolds never said the man was NOT Oswald in the first place, as incorrectly claimed by Johnny Cairns. I see is he one of the witness deaths that’s suspicious it seems weird that he was shot in the head after closing shop was he being robbed or anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brown Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Robbie Robertson said: I see is he one of the witness deaths that’s suspicious it seems weird that he was shot in the head after closing shop was he being robbed or anything Warren Reynolds did not die from the gunshot would to his head. He survived being shot. Let me try it this way... Timeline, in order of occurrence... Reynolds hears the gun shots, looks toward the sound of the shots and sees a man running down Patton (toward him). Reynolds tells the FBI that he is of the opinion that the man he saw running with the gun was indeed Lee Oswald but that he would hesitate to definitely identify Oswald as the man. Reynolds is shot in the head in the basement of the Johnnie Reynolds Motor Co. while closing up one night. Months after being shot, Reynolds testifies to the warren Commission. Point being... Reynolds never said the man was not Oswald. Reynolds was of the opinion that the man was Oswald but would hesitate to definitely identify Oswald as the man. Conspiracy advocates who don't know any better (like Johnny Cairns) simply repeat the lies/mistakes of others when they run around claiming that Reynolds said the man was not Oswald and then changed his tune to say the man was in fact Oswald but only changing his tune after being shot. In my opinion, you should be a little more careful who you choose to interview for your shows. Interviewing someone like Johnny Cairns hurts your show's credibility. Edited August 25, 2022 by Bill Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Down Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 You should interview Judyth Vary Baker. That would be interesting. I'm sure she'd be up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Robertson Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bill Brown said: Warren Reynolds did not die from the gunshot would to his head. He survived being shot. Let me try it this way... Timeline, in order of occurrence... Reynolds hears the gun shots, looks toward the sound of the shots and sees a man running down Patton (toward him). Reynolds tells the FBI that he is of the opinion that the man he saw running with the gun was indeed Lee Oswald but that he would hesitate to definitely identify Oswald as the man. Reynolds is shot in the head in the basement of the Johnnie Reynolds Motor Co. while closing up one night. Months after being shot, Reynolds testifies to the warren Commission. Point being... Reynolds never said the man was not Oswald. Reynolds was of the opinion that the man was Oswald but would hesitate to definitely identify Oswald as the man. Conspiracy advocates who don't know any better (like Johnny Cairns) simply repeat the lies/mistakes of others when they run around claiming that Reynolds said the man was not Oswald and then changed his tune to say the man was in fact Oswald but only changing his tune after being shot. In my opinion, you should be a little more careful who you choose to interview for your shows. Interviewing someone like Johnny Cairns hurts your show's credibility. Well the show is free and is conversation before the JFK topic of interest I have spoken to michael shermer peter McCullough pierre kory nick pope avi loeb mick west and more people I could name with what we call credibility, with over 3 million listens on Spotify and being free I’m not complaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Down Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Robbie Robertson said: Well the show is free and is conversation before the JFK topic of interest I have spoken to michael shermer peter McCullough pierre kory nick pope avi loeb mick west and more people I could name with what we call credibility, with over 3 million listens on Spotify and being free I’m not complaining That's impressive. And you're just 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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