Micah Mileto Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Evan Marshall said: I was attending Brigham Young University in Utah on 11/22/63 and watched the new reports and having a young brain remembered all sorts of information that did not fit the one lone nut killed JFK and then another lone nut killed him. I also remember the Kilduff press conference where he pointed to his forehead when talking about a bullet to the head. It took me a few years, but I read the 26 volumes and noticed how many times testimony was interrupted and taken off the record just when things got interesting. One of most underrated moments in the Warren Commission is Specter trying to shy away from the "left temple" information while interviewing Dr. McClelland and Dr. Jenkins. Edited January 2, 2023 by Micah Mileto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said: Is that more than is missing from CE399? http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com / The Continuing Myth Pushed By CTers Regarding The Connally Bullet Fragments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com / The Continuing Myth Pushed By CTers Regarding The Connally Bullet Fragments Thanks, David. Just to be clear, are you positing that the fragment in Connolly’s left thigh causes the wound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Mileto Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said: Thanks, David. Just to be clear, are you positing that the fragment in Connolly’s left thigh causes the wound? CE 399 makes the wound, only teeny tiny "flakes" of metal are left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said: Thanks, David. Just to be clear, are you positing that the fragment in Connolly’s [sic] left thigh causes the wound? No. The whole bullet (CE399) caused the small puncture wound in Connally's left thigh. And after CE399 fell out of the thigh wound, what was left behind was just that one extremely small metal fragment, which JBC took to his grave in 1993. Edited January 2, 2023 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: No. The whole bullet (CE399) caused the small puncture wound in Connally's left thigh. And after CE399 fell out of the thigh wound, what was left behind was just that one extremely small metal fragment, which JBC took to his grave in 1993. So the fragment travelled at a greater velocity than CE399? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Just now, Chris Barnard said: So the fragment travelled at a greater velocity than CE399? No. The CE399 missile probably entered JBC's thigh in a backward fashion, shedding the one tiny fragment inside his leg. The whole bullet, having not penetrated very far into the thigh at all, fell out of the shallow wound, while the tiny fragment stayed put in the leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mark Ulrik said: Don't forget the wrist fragments. There is a lengthy discussion in Bugliosi's book, IIRC. Yes, let's don't forget those tests they did on cadaver wrists. Which smashed the nose of the bullet alone. Much less deteriorated speed from inaccurately speculated about passing through JFK's neck and JC's back and chest. Edited January 2, 2023 by Ron Bulman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Santos Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, David Von Pein said: No. The CE399 missile probably entered JBC's thigh in a backward fashion, shedding the one tiny fragment inside his leg. The whole bullet, having not penetrated very far into the thigh at all, fell out of the shallow wound, while the tiny fragment stayed put in the leg. David, David. . . in another thread you stated: Just goes to show that people enjoy wallowing in fantasy-filled speculation and conjecture End Quote. Yet here, you just based your argument based on speculation and conjecture the second you said “probably” above. You have zero evidence to document exactly when the bullet (which was allegedly still in his leg later on per report-evidence which you ignore) fell out. Thus, say what you like, however, the WC requires quite a bit of accepting speculation and conjecture as you have just proven again. Edited January 2, 2023 by Cory Santos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ron Bulman said: Yes, let's don't forget those tests they did on cadaver wrists. Which smashed the nose of the bullet alone. Much less deteriorated speed from inaccurately speculated about passing through JFK's neck and JC's back and chest. Connally's rib and wrist bone fractures could not be duplicated without much more damage to a Carcano bullet versus the Magic Bullet. Kind of end of story for me. And the MB just happened to fling out of the wrist with a velocity so slow that it's bottom just barely penetrated the thigh skin to leave a microscopic flake? And Connally surgery doctors Gregory, Shires and Shaw were confounded by not finding the Connolly damaging bullet at all? Did they order their support staff to look for it in Connally's clothing? Did they never find it? Some one else outside of the surgery room finds it on a stretcher? Was there blood on this found bullet? How long was it that these three doctors were told of the stretcher found bullet? Did Dr. Shaw state he didn't believe the Magic Bullet could have caused Connally bone fractures and look as pristine as it was? I think I'll give Shaw's credibility factor more weight than Spector and others. Edited January 2, 2023 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gil Jesus Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share Posted January 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said: Did Dr. Shaw state he didn't believe the Magic Bullet could have caused Connally bone fractures and look as pristine as it was? I think I'll give Shaw's credibility factor more weight than Spector and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said: Exactly GJ. Says it all imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 10 hours ago, David Von Pein said: No. The CE399 missile probably entered JBC's thigh in a backward fashion, shedding the one tiny fragment inside his leg. The whole bullet, having not penetrated very far into the thigh at all, fell out of the shallow wound, while the tiny fragment stayed put in the leg. David. Have you paused for a moment and thought about what you are saying and the improbable nature of it? This explanation is really on a par with one of the 9/11 hijacker pilots having is passport found in near pristine condition amongst the rubble at ground zero, when everything else was turned to ash and sider. The statistical odds and level of imagination are about the same or in the same ball park. If you were there with a whiteboard doing a presentation, how could you possibly keep a straight face when explaining this process to an audience? You find the bullet in near pristine condition on a gurney, yet its causing all those wounds and contacting bone. The truth is; people who believe in the lone nut theory love to post in a reactionary fashion but, if someone just asks you to explain what happened, it can’t be done in a way that seems plausible to anyone who has experience with firearms or ballistics. Thats not to say that dishonest figures haven’t done their best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Cory Santos said: Yet here, you just based your argument based on speculation and conjecture the second you said “probably” above. You have zero evidence to document exactly when the bullet (which was allegedly still in his leg later on per report-evidence which you ignore) fell out. Thus, say what you like, however, the WC requires quite a bit of accepting speculation and conjecture as you have just proven again. Hence, the reason I used that word -- "probably" -- in my previous post about CE399. Since Gov. Connally wasn't wearing a body cam inside his pants leg on 11/22, what else is there for an LNer and SBT believer like me to do except to engage in a little bit of reasonable "speculating" on this matter? Edited January 2, 2023 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Chris Barnard said: David. Have you paused for a moment and thought about what you are saying and the improbable nature of it? This explanation is really on a par with one of the 9/11 hijacker pilots having is passport found in near pristine condition amongst the rubble at ground zero, when everything else was turned to ash and sider. The statistical odds and level of imagination are about the same or in the same ball park. If you were there with a whiteboard doing a presentation, how could you possibly keep a straight face when explaining this process to an audience? You find the bullet in near pristine condition on a gurney, yet its causing all those wounds and contacting bone. The truth is; people who believe in the lone nut theory love to post in a reactionary fashion but, if someone just asks you to explain what happened, it can’t be done in a way that seems plausible to anyone who has experience with firearms or ballistics. Thats not to say that dishonest figures haven’t done their best. Chris, Are you aware of the bullet experiment done in 1992 by Dr. Martin Fackler? http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com / The Fackler Bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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