The Attempted Assassination of Charles deGaulle

[Steve Thomas]

Gyula Sari

Appreared before the Court of Military Justice on June 24, 1963 and was sentenced to 20 years in prison on June 26, 1963.

Sari et Bernier le 24 juin à la Cour militaire de justice

https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1963/06/14/sari-et-bernier-le-24-juin-a-la-cour-militaire-de-justice_2230470_1819218.html

Recherche Article réservé aux abonnés La cour militaire de justice va se réunir encore le 24 juin au Fort-Neuf de Vincennes, sous la présidence du général Gardet, pour juger deux des auteurs de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart, le Hongrois Gyula Sari et S

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

He was sentenced 0n June 26, 1963 to 20 years in prison.

[Leslie Sharp]

8 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Well, I will let you have final say. I have said my part. 

I hope you keep contributing to the EF-JFK, as do others with your views, or those with polar opposite views. 

A non-responsive response to facts.  Tiresome.

[Benjamin Cole]

47 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

A non-responsive response to facts.  Tiresome.

Ok, as a courtesy I will respond. 

Regarding the Russiagate Hoax, try this. It is 24,000 words from Columbia Journalism Review:

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php

I have cited the four-part series as one explanation, among many, of the dubious origins of, and quality of, the Russiagate investigations and TV show. I have cited this series to you before, as a worthy read. 

I understand you may disagree with the authors of the CJR piece (considered a liberal-left East Coast publication). 

That's fine. But surely (if you actually read the length CJR article) you must concede that the Russiagate Hoax topic is debatable, and reasonable people can disagree if it was a hoax or not. 

You contend there was substance in the Mueller Report. I contend it was largely conjecture--as in the words of FBI lead investigator Peter Strzok, "There is no big there there."

We differ. 

Later, I will cite reasons that the "Russian social media campaign" was largely make-believe as well.  Read up on the Hamilton 68 project, as covered by Matt Taibbi. 

Again, if you have different views than me, that is fine.

But to insist I have not explained my views is not correct.

Nor are your views any more, or any less "factual" than mine, or those of the Columbia Journalism Review, or Matt Taibbi. 

On top of all that, the truth has a way of leaking out over decades. 

Carter's October surprise, or the JFKA case. And what really happened at the CIA-infested Watergate burglary job? 

Don't be too sure of what is fact, or smoke and mirrors. 

Keep an open mind. 

I will try not to be tiresome.

 

[Leslie Sharp]

14 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Ok, as a courtesy I will respond. 

Regarding the Russiagate Hoax, try this. It is 24,000 words from Columbia Journalism Review:

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php

I have cited the four-part series as one explanation, among many, of the dubious origins of, and quality of, the Russiagate investigations and TV show. I have cited this series to you before, as a worthy read. 

I understand you may disagree with the authors of the CJR piece (considered a liberal-left East Coast publication). 

That's fine. But surely (if you actually read the length CJR article) you must concede that the Russiagate Hoax topic is debatable, and reasonable people can disagree if it was a hoax or not. 

You contend there was substance in the Mueller Report. I contend it was largely conjecture--as in the words of FBI lead investigator Peter Strzok, "There is no big there there."

We differ. 

Later, I will cite reasons that the "Russian social media campaign" was largely make-believe as well.  Read up on the Hamilton 68 project, as covered by Matt Taibbi. 

Again, if you have different views than me, that is fine.

But to insist I have not explained my views is not correct.

Nor are your views any more, or any less "factual" than mine, or those of the Columbia Journalism Review, or Matt Taibbi. 

On top of all that, the truth has a way of leaking out over decades. 

Carter's October surprise, or the JFKA case. And what really happened at the CIA-infested Watergate burglary job? 

Don't be too sure of what is fact, or smoke and mirrors. 

Keep an open mind. 

I will try not to be tiresome.

 

Now this is a response worthy consideration.  Let me 'chew' on it, read the Columbia version of events and get back with you.  Thanks.

[Paul Brancato]

4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Leslie,

1) Consider the source. SAC really?

2) Laszlo Varga couldn't have gone to thr Caribbean in the April-May, 1963 time frame. He was in prison.

3) Did Hunt ever say he ever met with Souetre? Did Souetre ever say he ever met with Hunt?

4) Lejos Marton could not have gone to Mexico on November 12, 1963. Tried in absentia in January of 1963, he had been arrested in September of that year. Varga was already in prison.

Steve Thomas

 

Am I misreading something? Marton tried in absentia - was he arrested in sept 62 or 63? 

[David Butler]

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

Am I misreading something? Marton tried in absentia - was he arrested in sept 62 or 63? 

He was arrested in September 1963 Paul....

[Leslie Sharp]

4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Gyula Sari

Appreared before the Court of Military Justice on June 24, 1963 and was sentenced to 20 years in prison on June 26, 1963.

Sari et Bernier le 24 juin à la Cour militaire de justice

https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1963/06/14/sari-et-bernier-le-24-juin-a-la-cour-militaire-de-justice_2230470_1819218.html

Recherche Article réservé aux abonnés La cour militaire de justice va se réunir encore le 24 juin au Fort-Neuf de Vincennes, sous la présidence du général Gardet, pour juger deux des auteurs de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart, le Hongrois Gyula Sari et S

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

He was sentenced 0n June 26, 1963 to 20 years in prison.

I think you, or another ed forum member recently reposted a fairly obscure photo alleged to be shot inside a prison environment. Memory serves, men in the photo are relevant to this discussion?  Does anyone have the date stamp or the caption of the photo?

[Leslie Sharp]

6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Leslie,

1) Consider the source. SAC really?

2) Laszlo Varga couldn't have gone to thr Caribbean in the April-May, 1963 time frame. He was in prison.

3) Did Hunt ever say he ever met with Souetre? Did Souetre ever say he ever met with Hunt?

4) Lejos Marton could not have gone to Mexico on November 12, 1963. Tried in absentia in January of 1963, he had been arrested in September of that year. Varga was already in prison.

Steve Thomas

 

Are you arguing that one of de Gaulle's anti-OAS guys planted the story? Are you thinking Michel Mertz is the prime candidate for said misinformation?

[Steve Thomas]

5 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

I think you, or another ed forum member recently reposted a fairly obscure photo alleged to be shot inside a prison environment. Memory serves, men in the photo are relevant to this discussion?  Does anyone have the date stamp or the caption of the photo?

Leslie,

Those are all pictures taken from inside the prison at Satint Martin de Re, sometime between 1963 and 1968.

You can go here, and search by name:

https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COMBATTANTS

The entries under Laszlo Varga have the mosts shots of Varga, Marton and Sari.

Steve Thomas

[Leslie Sharp]

1 minute ago, Steve Thomas said:

Leslie,

Those are all pictures taken from inside the prison at Satint Martin de Re, sometime between 1963 and 1968.

You can go here, and search by name:

https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COMBATTANTS

The entries under Laszlo Varga have the mosts shots of Varga, Marton and Sari.

Steve Thomas

But you don't have photos of Marton and/or Varga in prison?

Any chance you have signed affidavits of witnesses who knew them while in prison, or maybe prison officials that can attest to their incarceration?  I'm asking because thus far, I've only see the links provided here that list them.  Are you fully satisfied with "a list"?

Edited March 24, 2023 by Leslie Sharp

[Steve Thomas]

5 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

But you don't have photos of Marton and/or Varga in prison?

How's this one? That's a guard tower in the background. btw.

Lazlo VARGA
Lajos MARTON
Jean-Marc ROUVIERE
lors d'un barbecue

Steve Thomas

[Leslie Sharp]

1 minute ago, Steve Thomas said:

How's this one? That's a guard tower in the background. btw.

Lazlo VARGA
Lajos MARTON
Jean-Marc ROUVIERE
lors d'un barbecue

Steve Thomas

I've seen it.  Caption or date?  Prison attire?

[Steve Thomas]

5 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

I've seen it.  Caption or date?  Prison attire?

They wore street clothes.

Here's another one:

Les 3 Hongrois
de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart
----
Gijola SARI
Lajos MARTON
Laszlo VARGA.

Go here and look at pictures of the interior of Re:. They're standing up on the second or third floor of the catwalk.

https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COURSIVES

Steve Thomas

 

[Leslie Sharp]

9 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

They wore street clothes.

Here's another one:

Les 3 Hongrois
de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart
----
Gijola SARI
Lajos MARTON
Laszlo VARGA.

Go here and look at pictures of the interior of Re:. They're standing up on the second or third floor of the catwalk.

https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COURSIVES

Steve Thomas

 

Date?
I'll accept the gear.

[Leslie Sharp]

10 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

They wore street clothes.

Here's another one:

Les 3 Hongrois
de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart
----
Gijola SARI
Lajos MARTON
Laszlo VARGA.

Go here and look at pictures of the interior of Re:. They're standing up on the second or third floor of the catwalk.

https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COURSIVES

Steve Thomas

 

Are you arguing that one of de Gaulle's anti-OAS guys planted the story? Are you thinking Michel Mertz is the prime candidate for said misinformation?