Steve Thomas Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Gyula Sari Appreared before the Court of Military Justice on June 24, 1963 and was sentenced to 20 years in prison on June 26, 1963. Sari et Bernier le 24 juin à la Cour militaire de justice https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1963/06/14/sari-et-bernier-le-24-juin-a-la-cour-militaire-de-justice_2230470_1819218.html Recherche Article réservé aux abonnés La cour militaire de justice va se réunir encore le 24 juin au Fort-Neuf de Vincennes, sous la présidence du général Gardet, pour juger deux des auteurs de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart, le Hongrois Gyula Sari et S Steve Thomas He was sentenced 0n June 26, 1963 to 20 years in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: Well, I will let you have final say. I have said my part. I hope you keep contributing to the EF-JFK, as do others with your views, or those with polar opposite views. A non-responsive response to facts. Tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 47 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said: A non-responsive response to facts. Tiresome. Ok, as a courtesy I will respond. Regarding the Russiagate Hoax, try this. It is 24,000 words from Columbia Journalism Review: https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php I have cited the four-part series as one explanation, among many, of the dubious origins of, and quality of, the Russiagate investigations and TV show. I have cited this series to you before, as a worthy read. I understand you may disagree with the authors of the CJR piece (considered a liberal-left East Coast publication). That's fine. But surely (if you actually read the length CJR article) you must concede that the Russiagate Hoax topic is debatable, and reasonable people can disagree if it was a hoax or not. You contend there was substance in the Mueller Report. I contend it was largely conjecture--as in the words of FBI lead investigator Peter Strzok, "There is no big there there." We differ. Later, I will cite reasons that the "Russian social media campaign" was largely make-believe as well. Read up on the Hamilton 68 project, as covered by Matt Taibbi. Again, if you have different views than me, that is fine. But to insist I have not explained my views is not correct. Nor are your views any more, or any less "factual" than mine, or those of the Columbia Journalism Review, or Matt Taibbi. On top of all that, the truth has a way of leaking out over decades. Carter's October surprise, or the JFKA case. And what really happened at the CIA-infested Watergate burglary job? Don't be too sure of what is fact, or smoke and mirrors. Keep an open mind. I will try not to be tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: Ok, as a courtesy I will respond. Regarding the Russiagate Hoax, try this. It is 24,000 words from Columbia Journalism Review: https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php I have cited the four-part series as one explanation, among many, of the dubious origins of, and quality of, the Russiagate investigations and TV show. I have cited this series to you before, as a worthy read. I understand you may disagree with the authors of the CJR piece (considered a liberal-left East Coast publication). That's fine. But surely (if you actually read the length CJR article) you must concede that the Russiagate Hoax topic is debatable, and reasonable people can disagree if it was a hoax or not. You contend there was substance in the Mueller Report. I contend it was largely conjecture--as in the words of FBI lead investigator Peter Strzok, "There is no big there there." We differ. Later, I will cite reasons that the "Russian social media campaign" was largely make-believe as well. Read up on the Hamilton 68 project, as covered by Matt Taibbi. Again, if you have different views than me, that is fine. But to insist I have not explained my views is not correct. Nor are your views any more, or any less "factual" than mine, or those of the Columbia Journalism Review, or Matt Taibbi. On top of all that, the truth has a way of leaking out over decades. Carter's October surprise, or the JFKA case. And what really happened at the CIA-infested Watergate burglary job? Don't be too sure of what is fact, or smoke and mirrors. Keep an open mind. I will try not to be tiresome. Now this is a response worthy consideration. Let me 'chew' on it, read the Columbia version of events and get back with you. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: Leslie, 1) Consider the source. SAC really? 2) Laszlo Varga couldn't have gone to thr Caribbean in the April-May, 1963 time frame. He was in prison. 3) Did Hunt ever say he ever met with Souetre? Did Souetre ever say he ever met with Hunt? 4) Lejos Marton could not have gone to Mexico on November 12, 1963. Tried in absentia in January of 1963, he had been arrested in September of that year. Varga was already in prison. Steve Thomas Am I misreading something? Marton tried in absentia - was he arrested in sept 62 or 63? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Butler Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said: Am I misreading something? Marton tried in absentia - was he arrested in sept 62 or 63? He was arrested in September 1963 Paul.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: Gyula Sari Appreared before the Court of Military Justice on June 24, 1963 and was sentenced to 20 years in prison on June 26, 1963. Sari et Bernier le 24 juin à la Cour militaire de justice https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1963/06/14/sari-et-bernier-le-24-juin-a-la-cour-militaire-de-justice_2230470_1819218.html Recherche Article réservé aux abonnés La cour militaire de justice va se réunir encore le 24 juin au Fort-Neuf de Vincennes, sous la présidence du général Gardet, pour juger deux des auteurs de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart, le Hongrois Gyula Sari et S Steve Thomas He was sentenced 0n June 26, 1963 to 20 years in prison. I think you, or another ed forum member recently reposted a fairly obscure photo alleged to be shot inside a prison environment. Memory serves, men in the photo are relevant to this discussion? Does anyone have the date stamp or the caption of the photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: Leslie, 1) Consider the source. SAC really? 2) Laszlo Varga couldn't have gone to thr Caribbean in the April-May, 1963 time frame. He was in prison. 3) Did Hunt ever say he ever met with Souetre? Did Souetre ever say he ever met with Hunt? 4) Lejos Marton could not have gone to Mexico on November 12, 1963. Tried in absentia in January of 1963, he had been arrested in September of that year. Varga was already in prison. Steve Thomas Are you arguing that one of de Gaulle's anti-OAS guys planted the story? Are you thinking Michel Mertz is the prime candidate for said misinformation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said: I think you, or another ed forum member recently reposted a fairly obscure photo alleged to be shot inside a prison environment. Memory serves, men in the photo are relevant to this discussion? Does anyone have the date stamp or the caption of the photo? Leslie, Those are all pictures taken from inside the prison at Satint Martin de Re, sometime between 1963 and 1968. You can go here, and search by name: https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COMBATTANTS The entries under Laszlo Varga have the mosts shots of Varga, Marton and Sari. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Steve Thomas said: Leslie, Those are all pictures taken from inside the prison at Satint Martin de Re, sometime between 1963 and 1968. You can go here, and search by name: https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COMBATTANTS The entries under Laszlo Varga have the mosts shots of Varga, Marton and Sari. Steve Thomas But you don't have photos of Marton and/or Varga in prison? Any chance you have signed affidavits of witnesses who knew them while in prison, or maybe prison officials that can attest to their incarceration? I'm asking because thus far, I've only see the links provided here that list them. Are you fully satisfied with "a list"? Edited March 24, 2023 by Leslie Sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said: But you don't have photos of Marton and/or Varga in prison? How's this one? That's a guard tower in the background. btw. Lazlo VARGA Lajos MARTON Jean-Marc ROUVIERE lors d'un barbecue Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve Thomas said: How's this one? That's a guard tower in the background. btw. Lazlo VARGA Lajos MARTON Jean-Marc ROUVIERE lors d'un barbecue Steve Thomas I've seen it. Caption or date? Prison attire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said: I've seen it. Caption or date? Prison attire? They wore street clothes. Here's another one: Les 3 Hongrois de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart ---- Gijola SARI Lajos MARTONLaszlo VARGA. Go here and look at pictures of the interior of Re:. They're standing up on the second or third floor of the catwalk. https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COURSIVES Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: They wore street clothes. Here's another one: Les 3 Hongrois de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart ---- Gijola SARI Lajos MARTONLaszlo VARGA. Go here and look at pictures of the interior of Re:. They're standing up on the second or third floor of the catwalk. https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COURSIVES Steve Thomas Date? I'll accept the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: They wore street clothes. Here's another one: Les 3 Hongrois de l'attentat du Petit-Clamart ---- Gijola SARI Lajos MARTONLaszlo VARGA. Go here and look at pictures of the interior of Re:. They're standing up on the second or third floor of the catwalk. https://deltas-collines.org/galerie/COURSIVES Steve Thomas Are you arguing that one of de Gaulle's anti-OAS guys planted the story? Are you thinking Michel Mertz is the prime candidate for said misinformation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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