Unraveling the Mystery: Fletcher Prouty's Possible Role in the JFK Assassination

[W. Niederhut]

5 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

I understand your point about Prouty's history and his potential involvement in the assassination plot. It is indeed puzzling why he would expose Lansdale in the Dealey Plaza photos if he was part of the same plot. One possible explanation, as you mentioned, could be financial gain from the release of his book, 'The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy.'

As for why Prouty consulted with Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone about his suspicions regarding JFK's assassination by Deep State actors opposing his Vietnam and Cuba policies, it's possible that Prouty had a change of heart or a falling out with the conspirators, leading him to share his insider knowledge. Alternatively, it could be an attempt to further promote his book and theories by aligning himself with prominent figures investigating the JFK assassination.

In any case, it's important to keep an open mind and consider multiple perspectives and possibilities when examining complex historical events like the JFK assassination. Without concrete evidence, we can only speculate on the motives behind certain actions.

Well, Keyvan, with all due respect, your theory doesn't make sense.

Prouty was deeply troubled, from Day One, about JFK's murder.  No "change of heart" there.  He smelled a rat on November 22, 1963.

And why would he have incriminated himself in a Presidential murder plot by outing Ed Lansdale?

For that matter, why would he have exposed the problematic modus operandi of Allen Dulles's "secret team?"

He was no book monger.  IMO, he was a conscientious Deep State whistleblower who was troubled by the history of CIA black ops occurring beyond the purview and oversight of our elected U.S. government officials.

[Jonathan Cohen]

44 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

In response to your question, while it is true that millions of people served in the military during that time period, the fact that Gus W. Abrams, Harold Doyle, and John F. Gedney had military backgrounds could potentially make them persons of interest in the investigation.

More significantly, their presence in the vicinity of the assassination and the fact that they were observed fleeing the Grassy Knoll by Lee Bowers, who was stationed in the control tower of the rail yard and subsequently reported this to the police, adds to the possibility of them being considered suspects. Their actions were suspicious enough to warrant an FBI report, as mentioned in the provided link: https://web.archive.org/web/20190923223857/http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/fbi_124-10179-10310

What may have seemed suspicious at the time can clearly be shown to be innocuous with the benefit of history. Numerous people were mistakenly arrested in Dallas that day, were considered suspects, and were written up in FBI reports, only to be cleared as having nothing to do with the assassination. The Three Tramps are among them.

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

14 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

What may have seemed suspicious at the time can clearly be shown to be innocuous with the benefit of history. Numerous people were mistakenly arrested in Dallas that day, were considered suspects, and were written up in FBI reports, only to be cleared as having nothing to do with the assassination. The Three Tramps are among them.

While it is true that many people were mistakenly arrested and later cleared in the aftermath of JFK's assassination, it's important to consider the specific circumstances surrounding the Three Tramps. Their presence near the Grassy Knoll, combined with the fact that they were seen running away shortly after the assassination, raises suspicion. Furthermore, their military backgrounds could have potentially made them persons of interest in the investigation.

While they may have ultimately been cleared of any direct involvement in the assassination, it's not unreasonable to assume that their actions and backgrounds warranted a closer look by investigators. In the chaotic aftermath of such a tragic event, law enforcement had to consider all potential leads and suspects to ensure a thorough investigation. The Three Tramps, given their suspicious behavior, were no exception.

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

17 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Well, Keyvan, with all due respect, your theory doesn't make sense.

Prouty was deeply troubled, from Day One, about JFK's murder.  No "change of heart" there.  He smelled a rat on November 22, 1963.

And why would he have incriminated himself in a Presidential murder plot by outing Ed Lansdale?

For that matter, why would he have exposed the problematic modus operandi of Allen Dulles's "secret team?"

He was no book monger.  IMO, he was a conscientious Deep State whistleblower who was troubled by the history of CIA black ops occurring beyond the purview and oversight of our elected U.S. government officials.

I appreciate your perspective on Prouty's involvement, or lack thereof, in the conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination. It's important to consider multiple viewpoints and possibilities when discussing such complex historical events.

You're right that Prouty expressed his concerns about JFK's murder from the beginning and that he might not have had any direct involvement in the assassination plot. It's possible that his actions, such as outing Lansdale and exposing the problematic operations of Allen Dulles's "secret team," were motivated by genuine concern for the lack of oversight in CIA black ops.

In this light, Prouty may be viewed as a conscientious Deep State whistleblower, as you mentioned. However, without concrete evidence, it's important to remember that we can only speculate on the true motives and actions of individuals involved in the complex web of events surrounding JFK's assassination.

[Steve Roe]

1 hour ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Tom, what do you mean, they didn't really prove anything? Were the arrest records faked, in that case?

Sorry Jonathan, arrest records are not proof here on EF. To the rest of people living in reality, they are. Stop being logical, it doesn't work here on EF. 

[Tom Gram]

7 minutes ago, Steve Roe said:

Sorry Jonathan, arrest records are not proof here on EF. To the rest of people living in reality, they are. Stop being logical, it doesn't work here on EF. 

What do the arrest records actually prove, technically? The arrest records prove that some men were taken in by the DPD, identified as hobos, and released. 

Try to ignore your views on the assassination for a moment. Hypothetically, if those hobos were not actually hobos, but only posing as hobos, what would we expect to happen? Let’s assume that our non-hobos were not blubbering idiots and had a cover story that could withstand a couple phone calls and basic questioning by Dallas street cops.

Do we have any evidence suggesting that’s what actually happened? No. Do we have enough evidence of the hobos’ bona fides to completely rule out the possibility that their identities weren’t some sort of long-term professionally backstopped cover? Also no. 

The hobos were in all likelihood just hobos, but this is pretty basic analysis, guys. If you were investigating the assassination in a professional capacity, would you accept the arrest records and 1990s FBI/press interviews at face value and not conduct a thorough background investigation? I sure hope not. 

[Paul Cummings]

 

[Jonathan Cohen]

3 minutes ago, Paul Cummings said:

 

Really? Chauncey Holt, in 2023? Can’t we EVER move on from decades-old claptrap?

[Jonathan Cohen]

18 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

The hobos were in all likelihood just hobos, but this is pretty basic analysis, guys. If you were investigating the assassination in a professional capacity, would you accept the arrest records and 1990s FBI/press interviews at face value and not conduct a thorough background investigation? I sure hope not. 

Tom, nobody is suggesting we accept the arrest records at face value on their own. Journalists and researchers such as the La Fontaines went deeper into the story and determined that the tramps were exactly who they said they were. Shouldn’t that be the end of it?

Edited May 13, 2023 by Jonathan Cohen

[Paul Cummings]

4 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Really? Chauncey Holt, in 2023? Can’t we EVER move on from decades-old claptrap?

You mean like the bogus DPD that some how showed up years later that proves who the Tramps were that you now pontificate? Expert opinion versus finding police documents? Yeah right.

Edited May 13, 2023 by Paul Cummings

[Jonathan Cohen]

Just now, Paul Cummings said:

You mean like the bogus DPD that some how showed up years later that proves who the Tramps were that you now pontificate?

What about the DPD arrest reports of the tramps is bogus? Please, educate us.

[Paul Cummings]

When did they find the DPD documents on the Tramps?

[Joe Bauer]

9 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

What's illogical is rejecting the arrest reports of the actual three tramps, which show them to be nothing more than... tramps. This was thoroughly confirmed in 1992 reporting by Mary and Ray La Fontaine.

Dysfunctional people riding the rails all across the country has always been a reality.

I think even today many still hop non-passenger trains, traveling to and fro.

The Hunt looking Tramp is dressed like someone who you would expect to see climbing down off a box car.

Really dirty and ill-fitting clothes. Scuffed, well worn shoes. Crumpled hat.

Scruffy stubble. Weather beaten face.

The other two guys are too clean looking. Well fitting clothes. Nice shoes. Clean shaven too?

And what decently dressed and groomed alcoholic chooses to go to the train yard and jump into a filthy box car to do his drinking?

When they could do this in less derelict and dirty locations?

 

[Michael Griffith]

On 5/13/2023 at 12:07 PM, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

Introduction:

The assassination of President John F. Kennedy has been shrouded in mystery and conspiracy theories for decades. Among the numerous individuals whose actions and motives have been scrutinized is Fletcher Prouty, who held a high-ranking position under the Secretary of Defense during JFK's administration. In this article, we will explore the possibility that Prouty may have played a role in the assassination plot by providing information to CIA operative Edward Lansdale.

Section 1: Prouty's Access to Classified Information

As a key figure in the Defense Department, Fletcher Prouty had access to highly sensitive military information. The type of information he had access to could have been useful for orchestrating an assassination plot. His privileged position raises questions about the extent of his involvement in the events surrounding JFK's death.

Section 2: The South Pole Assignment

During the time of JFK's assassination, Prouty was mysteriously assigned to the South Pole. This assignment has led some to speculate that it was a calculated move to distance himself from the event. In this section, we will delve into the potential reasons behind his absence from Washington, D.C.

Section 3: The Oswald Connection and Cover Story

In exploring the possibility that Prouty may have assisted Lansdale in identifying Lee Harvey Oswald as the perfect patsy for the assassination plot, we will look at Oswald's background and consider whether Prouty could have passed this information to Lansdale. In an intriguing twist, Prouty seems to express a sense of pride or accomplishment in how Oswald has become the main cover story for the assassination. We will explore this unusual perspective and consider whether it may be interpreted as an indication of Prouty's own involvement in the plot, and if so, how that might fit into the broader picture of the assassination conspiracy.

Section 4: Finding Retired Military Snipers

Another angle to consider is that Prouty may have helped Lansdale find retired military snipers for the assassination. If true, this would further implicate Prouty in the planning and execution of the assassination plot.

Section 5: Motivations for the Assassination

It is essential to consider why anyone would participate in the assassination of a president. One possible motivation is JFK's efforts to integrate schools that were previously reserved for white students. This move angered many individuals, potentially providing a motive for involvement in the assassination plot.

Section 6: Lansdale's Involvement

Edward Lansdale, a prominent figure in the CIA, has long been a subject of speculation in JFK assassination conspiracy theories. We will explore the connection between Lansdale and Prouty and consider how they might have collaborated in the plot.

Section 7: Prouty's Revelations in His Book

In his book, "JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy," Fletcher Prouty delves into the complex web of intrigue surrounding the assassination. He makes specific mention of Col. Lou Conein and General Edward Lansdale, both of whom have been implicated in various conspiracy theories related to the assassination.

Section 8: The Tramps and Dealey Plaza

Prouty discusses the mysterious figures known as "the tramps," who were photographed in Dealey Plaza shortly after JFK's assassination. He goes on to identify Lansdale and Conein in photographs taken at the scene, suggesting their presence as part of the plot. We will analyze these photographic claims and consider the implications of their alleged presence in Dealey Plaza.

Conclusion:

The JFK assassination continues to be an enigmatic and debated event in American history, with many unanswered questions and complex conspiracy theories. While concrete proof of Fletcher Prouty's involvement in the assassination remains elusive, the circumstantial evidence and intriguing connections between him, Oswald, and other key figures like Edward Lansdale warrant further investigation. By examining these relationships and considering the motivations behind the assassination, we can attempt to gain a deeper understanding of the intricate web of events surrounding JFK's tragic death. As the search for truth continues, it is crucial to remain open to new perspectives and evidence in the ongoing quest to unveil the full story behind one of America's darkest chapters.

I encourage you to read the recent thread on Fletcher Prouty before you use him again as a source (LINK). Prouty was a fraud, if not a genuine nutcase. He was an anti-Semite who spoke at a Holocaust-denial conference, appeared numerous times on an anti-Semitic radio show, praised the work of the Holocaust-denying IHR, recommended an anti-Semitic newspaper, and had a book published by the IHR's publishing arm, among other disreputable actions.

When Prouty was gently interviewed by the ARRB, he back-peddled all over the place about key claims he'd been making for years (e.g., his claims about the South Pole trip, recognizing Lansdale in a tramp photo, his alleged "stand down" call with the 112th MI Group, his role in presidential protection, etc.).

And, Prouty devoted considerable effort to defending the Scientology cult, to the point of attacking the cult's critics, in addition to making nutty claims about the deaths of FDR and Princess Diana. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[W. Niederhut]

2 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

I encourage you to read the recent thread on Fletcher Prouty before you use him again as a source (LINK). Prouty was a fraud, if not a genuine nutcase. He was an anti-Semite who spoke at a Holocaust-denial conference, appeared numerous times on an anti-Semitic radio show, praised the work of the Holocaust-denying IHR, recommended an anti-Semitic newspaper, and had a book published by the IHR's publishing arm, among other disreputable actions.

When Prouty was gently interviewed by the ARRB, he back-peddled all over the place about key claims he'd been making for years (e.g., his claims about the South Pole trip, recognizing Lansdale in a tramp photo, his alleged "stand down" call with the 112th MI Group, his role in presidential protection, etc.).

And, Prouty devoted considerable effort to defending the Scientology cult, to the point of attacking the cult's critics, in addition to making nutty claims about the deaths of FDR and Princess Diana. 

Michael Griffith continues to "Swift Boat Vet" Fletcher Prouty with his John McAdams advertisement tropes.

What a terrific asset for the Education Forum... 🙄