Robert Morrow Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 On 5/5/2024 at 7:12 PM, Tony Rose said: Ya'll are missing an element in your timelines. What Johnson finally went with was just what Alsop proposed: a group of heavyweights who were going to put a stamp of approval on the FBI's report. It was the staff attorneys who realized that they would have to do some investigating of their own to make up for inadequacies in the FBI verson. They also -- I'm theorizing -- thought it would be good for their burgeoning careers. My advice is to read Sean Fetter's book. It has a lot of golden nuggets in it among the doo doo. You sort and decide what you think is worthy and what is not. Some really good stuff on crazy drunk LBJ in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 On 5/6/2024 at 2:55 AM, James DiEugenio said: Thanks Tony. And Joe, if you have not read Fetter's book, you really do not know how bad it is in every way. The stuff about Rayburn is just the beginning of a trail of folly. Sean Fetter has a great find in mentioning Jackie Kennedy's cartoon of Texans LBJ and Sam Rayburn manhandling little Jack Kennedy at the 1960 Democratic convention as the Texans forced and blackmailed Kennedy to put crooked Kennedy-hater Lyndon Johnson on the ticket as VP. Jackie's cartoon depicts big tall strong LBJ crushing little Jack's hand which is symbolic of how LBJ actually got onto the ticket. Sean Fetter actually has a lot of great finds like that. Jackie Kennedy’s cartoons from the 1960 campaign show a cartoon of Lone Star “Texans” Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rayburn shaking hands with JFK. The big Texan LBJ is squeezing a tiny frail JFK’s hand to the point that it hurts: https://robertmorrowpoliticalresearchblog.blogspot.com/2024/01/jackie-kennedy-knew-all-about-lyndon.html Daily Beast article on Jackie’s 1960 campaign cartoons: https://www.thedailybeast.com/jackie-kennedys-jfk-cartoons-1 (7th cartoon down is Jackie’s cartoon of how LBJ and Sam Rayburn treated JFK at the 1960 Democratic convention. Notice how LBJ is crushing the hand of a noticeable smaller and diminished and pained John Kennedy.) No wonder Robert Kennedy was out to utterly destroy Lyndon Johnson in the fall of 1963! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) On 4/23/2024 at 7:48 AM, Sandy Larsen said: OMG, it's really hard to take you seriously when you say things like that. Let me be more specific, Sandy. I think on the night of 7/13/1960 a shirtless, drunken Lyndon Johnson, standing in the Biltmore Hotel hallway with his pants' fly unzipped and cursing the Kennedys, was already planning to murder John Kennedy if he ever got the chance. But FIRST Lyndon Johnson had to blackmail/ "strong arm"/ force his way onto the 1960 Democratic ticket and he had to act very fast. Wednesday night July 13 – a shirtless Lyndon Johnson with his pants’ fly open in the Biltmore hotel hallway, having lost the Democratic presidential nomination, was drunk as a skunk and cursing the Kennedys QUOTE Advance word of Kennedy’s upcoming invitation did not sweeten Lyndon Johnson’s temperament as the convention proceeded. And late Wednesday night [July 13, 1960], whether angry at Bobby and his family over slurs traded between camps or suspicious that RFK opposed Jack’s decision, or perhaps simply chagrined at his own second-place finish in the just-completed presidential balloting – he’d gotten only half as many delegates at the victorious upstart from Massachusetts – LBJ was in a foul mood. “As I went up to the seventh floor of the Biltmore where Johnson was staying,” reported Gene Scherrer, then head of VIP security for the Los Angeles Police Department. “Johnson was in the hallway, ranting and raving about the Kennedys, saying things like, ‘Those motherxxxxers’ and ‘I’d like to piss on Bobby.’ He didn’t have his shirt on and his fly was open. He was very drunk and very obscene. Of course, the next day, he was named John Kennedy’s vice presidential candidate.” UNQUOTE [C. David Heymann, RFK, pp. 167-168] LA cop Gene Scherrer also worked the 1985 “Ninja murder case:” https://www.crimelibrary.org/notorious_murders/family/mbb207_faye_kellerman_woodman_murders/7.html Dallas Times Herald reporter Margaret Meyer never saw a “more unhappy man” than Lyndon Johnson on the night that he was elected Vice President (11-8-60) with president-elect JFK. Lady Bird, however, was delighted that she was going to be Second Lady. Source: Margaret Mayer who was a longtime reporter for the Dallas Times-Herald. Previously Mayer had worked as an aide to LBJ so she knew him well. QUOTE Lady Bird was happy; she was going to enjoy being Second Lady, she thought, and she did. Besides, she was always glad when a campaign was over, victorious or not. Lyndon? Did he hoot and holler? Did he even smile except for the photographers? He did not. He was demonstrably morose. Margaret Mayer: “The night he was elected vice-president – very late, when it was quite apparent that he and Kennedy had been elected – I don’t think I saw a more unhappy man. He had been at the Driskill Hotel with the Homer Thornberrys, the Connallys, Jesse Kellam, and sometime after midnight, maybe one in the morning, they all came downstairs and went across the street to an all-night café on Seventh Street. “There was no jubilation. Lyndon looked like he had lost his last friend on earth, and later he was rude to me, very rude, and I tried to remind myself he was unhappy, but he did the same thing the next day in the TV station. He was rude to just about everybody. Now I’ve known Lyndon a great many years, and I’ve never known him to act like that. “It was clear to me and a lot of other people that even then he didn’t want to be vice-president.” UNQUOTE [Merle Miller, Lyndon: An Oral Biography, p. 273] Picture of Dallas Times-Herald reporter Margaret Mayer here: https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2013/10/25/jim-lehrer-news-changed-forever-on-nov-22-1963/ Margaret Mayer - https://discoverlbj.org/item/mayerm The First time Margaret Mayer met LBJ in 1946 when he was laying on a couch wearing only boxer shorts and he was “unfazed by my walking in” [Margaret Mayer Ward oral history, interviewed by Michael Gillette for the LBJ Library, March 10, 1977] http://www.lbjf.org/txt/oh/oh-lbj/27500879-oh-wardm-19770310-1-80-6.pdf Margaret Mayer Ward, 1977 on her first meeting with LBJ: “I mean the man’s lying there unclothed [in boxer shorts] when I first met him. (Laughter) There was certainly no discomfort on his part.” Edited May 22 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 OMG, I made a mistake and looked at this thread again. LOL, David Heymann? How dare anyone on this forum quote the quintessential BS artist here. No excuse for that at all. Heymann not only made up quotes, he made up people! And if anyone here does not know that, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT! 😂 https://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/05/c-david-heymanns-career-serial-fabulist-266876.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 Joe, I did not know you were going to read it. I would have sent it up to you. I just threw mine into the garbage dumpster. What a waste of 90 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 8 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: OMG, I made a mistake and looked at this thread again. LOL, David Heymann? How dare anyone on this forum quote the quintessential BS artist here. No excuse for that at all. Heymann not only made up quotes, he made up people! And if anyone here does not know that, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT! 😂 https://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/05/c-david-heymanns-career-serial-fabulist-266876.html Actually, reading David Heymann is a very good way to learn about the Kennedys. Yes, I will concede that Heymann at times "made stuff up." But he wasn't MAKING UP ENTIRE BOOKS! I happen to know a lot about LBJ. He used to say stuff like "I piss on you" or "you are a bunch of pissants" LBJ was often extremely profane and he hated the guts of the Kennedys. I consider David Heymann, whether he "made stuff up" or not, a much more reliable source on the Kennedys and LBJ than for example you, who looks at the Kennedys through rose colored glasses. Gene Scherrer's description of Lyndon Johnson is COMPLETELY CONSISENT with LBJ behavior over the decades which would be: getting drunking, being extremely profane, hating the Kennedys, being drunk in hotel hall ways and running around half naked. Air Force Steward Doyle Whitehead, who you tried and failed to discredit, describes LBJ pounding the Cutty Sarks on the ride back from Dallas on 11/22/63. Margaret Meyer, a former LBJ aide and journalist, describes LBJ being so bitterly unhappy ON THE NIGHT THAT HE WAS ELECTED VICE PRESIDENT. Meyer also describes the first time she met LBJ - he was half naked. Sean Fetter interviewed another Air Force steward who described Lyndon Johnson, as President on Air Force one, as crawling in his underwear down the aisle of Air Force One, because he was too drunk to walk, cussing out the Air Force stewards. What Scherrer described to Heymann is classic, well documented LBJ behavior, who after the 1960 Democratic convention said he would slit Robert Kennedy's throat everytime RFK's name came up. Gene Scherrer was IN FACT a cop who worked for the Los Angeles police department. LA cop Gene Scherrer also worked the 1985 “Ninja murder case:” https://www.crimelibrary.org/notorious_murders/family/mbb207_faye_kellerman_woodman_murders/7.html LYNDON JOHNSON HAD A MURDEROUS ATTITUDE TOWARDS ROBERT KENNEDY "I'll cut his throat if it's the last thing I do." Robert Caro describes the LBJ-RFK relationship post 1960 Democratic convention, where RFK had moved heaven and earth attempting to keep LBJ off the 1960 Democratic ticket. Caro: John Connally, who during long days of conversation with this author was willing to answer almost any question put to him, no matter how delicate the topic, wouldn't answer when asked what Johnson said about Robert Kennedy. When the author pressed him, he finally said flatly: "I am not going to tell you what he said about him." During the months after the convention, when Johnson was closeted alone back in Texas with an old ally he would sometimes be asked about Robert Kennedy. He would reply with a gesture. Raising his big right hand, he would draw the side of it across the neck in a slowing, slitting movement. Sometimes that gesture would be his only reply; sometimes, as during a meeting with Ed Clark in Austin, he would say, as his hand moved across his neck, "I'll cut his throat if it's the last thing I do." [Robert Caro, The Passage of Power, p. 140] Edited May 20 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 12 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: OMG, I made a mistake and looked at this thread again. LOL, David Heymann? How dare anyone on this forum quote the quintessential BS artist here. No excuse for that at all. Heymann not only made up quotes, he made up people! And if anyone here does not know that, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT! 😂 https://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/05/c-david-heymanns-career-serial-fabulist-266876.html Regarding my boy Lyndon Johnson: How do you think Lyndon Johnson would react upon losing the Democratic nomination to the Kennedys? Do you think he would react in a calm and balanced Zen-like or stoical manner? Or so you think a humiliated loser LBJ would start pounding Cutty Sarks one after another, rip his shirt off, have his pants' fly open and unleash an unhinged profanity laced tirade about the Kennedys (while he is in the hallway of the Biltmore Hotel) and who he hated maximally before during and after the 1960 Democratic convention? LA cop Gene Scherrer's description of LBJ's behavior is entirely consistent with Sgt. Thomas' disturbing anecdote about LBJ as president, which Sgt. Thomas told to Sean Fetter in 2013. A very drunk President Lyndon Johnson, wearing only his underwear, would crawl down the aisle of Air Force One telling everyone on board “Eff you, eff you” while he blasted them with profanity. Source: 2013 interview of Sgt. Thomas Michl by Sean Fetter QUOTE With ludicrous piety, a key Johnson aide and sycophant Jack Valenti – a USAAF veteran of World War II – tried to claim in a later book (with a straight face) that LBJ ceased drinking Scotch during his presidency. It simply wasn’t true. Sergeant Michl share a disturbing incident related directly to him by his appalled USAF friends on the Air Force One flight crew. “They said one time going to Texas, [LBJ] had nothing but a pair of his undershorts on and he was crawling down the [aisle of the] aircraft saying ‘Eff you people! Eff you people!’ Every one of em. ‘I know you hate me; eff you. Eff you!’ … Every other word, you know – using a four letter word.” “He [LBJ was too drunk to walk,” said Michl acidly of that episode. “And that was our president!” UNQUOTE [Sean Fetter, Under Cover of Night, p. 144; Fetter interview with USAF veteran Thomas Michl in 2013] Furthermore Sgt. Michl said that the active duty Air Force people associated with Silver Dollar, who worked at Andrews Air Force base, were absolutely convinced that LBJ was behind the JFK assassination. Sgt. Michl said “We all thought that Lyndon Johnson did it – had it done [murdering JFK].” That is on page 145 of Sean Fetter’s Under Cover of Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 (edited) On 4/24/2024 at 10:15 PM, Sandy Larsen said: If that is true, Captain Fritz ignored LBJ's order. Excerpted from the report of the Oswald interrogation that took place in Fritz's office on 11/24/1963 at 9:30 AM: This interview started at approximately 9:30 a.m. on Sunday, November 24, 1963. The interview was conducted in the office of Captain WIll Fritz of the Homicide Bureau, Dallas Police. Present at the interview in addition to Oswald were Captain Fritz, Postal Inspector Holmes, SAIC Sorrels, Inspector Kelley and four members of the Homicide Squad. The interview had just begun when I arrived and Captain Fritz was again requesting Oswald to identify the place where the photograph of him holding the gun was taken. Captain Fritz indicated that it would save the Police a great deal of time if he would tell them where the place was located. Oswald refused to discuss the matter. Captain Fritz asked, "Are you a Communist?" Oswald answered, "No, I am a Marxist but I am not a Marxist Leninist." Captain Fritz asked him what the difference was and Oswald said it would take too long to explain it to him. Oswald said that he became interested in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee while he was in New Orleans; that he wrote to the Committee's Headquarters in New York and received some Committee literature and a letter signed by Alex Hidell. He stated that he began to distribute that literature in New Orleans and it was at that time that he got into an altercation with a group and he was arrested. He said his opinions concerning Fair Play for Cuba are well known; that he appeared on Bill Stukey's television program in New Orleans on a number of occasions and was interviewed by the local press often. He denies knowing or ever seeing Hidell in New Orleans, said he believed in all of the tents of the Fair Play for Cuba and the things which the Fair Play for Cuba Committee stood for, which was free intercourse with Cuba and freedom for tourists of both countries to travel within each other's borders. Among other things, Oswald said that Cuba should have full diplomatic relationship with the United States. I asked him if he thought that the President's assassination would have any effect on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. He said there would be no change in the attitude of the American people toward Cuba with President Johnson becoming President because they both belonged to the same political party and the one would follow pretty generally the policies of the other . He stated that he is an avid reader of Russian literature whether it is communistic or not; that he subscribes to "The Militant," which, he says, is the weekly of the Socialist party in the United States (it is a copy of "the Militant" that Oswald is shown holding in the photograph taken form this effects at Irving Street). At that time he asked me whether I was an FBI Agent and I said that I was not that I was a member of the Secret Service. He said when he was standing in front of the Textbook Building and about to leave it, a young crew-cut man rushed up to him and said he was from the Secret Service, showed a book of identification, and asked him where the phone was. Oswald said he pointed toward the pay phone in the building and that he saw the man actually go to the phone before he left. I asked Oswald whether as a Marxist he believed that religion was an opiate of the people and he said very definitely so that all organized religions tend to become monopolistic and are the causes of a great deal of class warfare. I asked him whether he considered the Catholic Church to be an enemy of the Communist philosophy and he said well, there was no Catholicism in Russia; that the closest to it is the Orthodox Churches but he said he would not further attempt to have him say something which could be construed as being anti-religious or anti-Catholic. Capt. Fritz displayed an Enco street map of Dallas which had been found among Oswald's effects at the rooming house. Oswald was asked whether the map was his and wheter he had put some marks on it. He said it was his and remarked "My God don't tell me there's a mark near where this thing happened." The mark was pointed out to him and he said "What about the other marks on the map?I put a number of marks on it. I was looking for work and marked the places where I went for jobs or where I heard there were jobs." Since it was obvious to Captain Fritz that Oswald was not going to be cooperative, he terminated the interview at that time. If it is true that President Lyndon Johnson called Will Fritz and told him to STOP questioning Oswald, then that LBJ phone call must have occurred on Sunday morning, because if PRESIDENT JOHNSON had called on Saturday and told Will Fritz to STOP INTERVIEWING OSWALD the Will Fritz would not have been interviewing Oswald again on Sunday morning. Timeline of Lee Harvey Oswald's life - Interactive Timeline of the Life of Lee Harvey Oswald (jfk-assassination.net) So that means LBJ calls Will Fritz around maybe 11AM to 11:15AM on Sunday 11/24/1963. Then Lee Harvey Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby at exactly 11:21 AM (very soon after LBJ phone call to Fritz) Then Lyndon Johnson calls Parkland Hospital the next hour while Oswald is under surgery and talks with Dr. Charles Crenshaw and tells him to get a CONFESSION from the accused assassin. LBJ was not asking Oswald who sent you to kill JFK or did you have any confederates, but rather you need to CONFESS to killing JFK. I think LBJ knew that Jack Ruby was in place and that it was time to kill Oswald. So let's stop the Fritz interview before Oswald tells everyone he is CIA; then let's put a bullet in Oswald and then maybe if we are lucky we can get a confession out him. After Oswald was dead, LBJ knew that EVERYTHING could be played on Oswald. QUOTE Sunday, November 24, 1963 9:30 AM: LHO is signed out of jail in anticipation of a transfer to the county facility. 11:15 AM: The transfer party leaves Fritz' office after a final round of questions. 11:21 AM: LHO is shot by Jack Ruby in the basement of the Dallas city jail. 1:07 PM: LHO is pronounced dead at Parkland Hospital. Sources Bugliosi, Vincent. Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy. New York: W. W. Norton, 2007. Epstein, Edward Jay. Legend: The Secret World of LHO Harvey Oswald. New York: Reader's Digest Press/McGraw-Hill, 1978. Manchester, William. Death of a President. New York City: Harper and Row, 1967. McMillan, Priscilla Johnson. Marina and LHO. New York City: Harper and Row, 1977. Posner, Gerald. Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK. New York: Random House, 1993; Anchor Books, 1994. Report of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy with 26 volumes of testimony and exhibits. Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1964. UNQUOTE Edited May 26 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 On 4/26/2024 at 9:30 PM, Robert Morrow said: Oh, I think Hoover figured out very quickly that the JFK assassination was a high level domestic coup d'etat. Otherwise he would not have gone gambling at the horse track on Saturday, Nov. 23, 1963. Remember Hoover was LBJ's neighbor from 1943 to 1961 and longtime blood brother. I think Hoover figured out a long time before summer of 1964 what had just happened and that LBJ was right in the mix of the JFK assassination. Hoover speaking to Billy Byars, Jr. at the Del Charro Hotel in the summer of 1964 from Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover by Anthony Summers: “If I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to this country. Our whole political system could be disrupted.” Anthony Summers: "I was there for one or two weeks," Byars recalled in 1988. "They would eat together, my father, Murchison, and Hoover, and the others. Hoover seemed to be in a very strange frame of mind. He was having a better relationship with Johnson, evidently, than he had with President Kennedy - by a long shot. His relationship with Bobby Kennedy had apparently almost driven him over the edge. He used to talk about that constantly, and once I had the chance to ask him directly about the assassination. I asked him, 'Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald did it?" And he stopped and he looked at me for quite a long time. Then he said, 'If I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to this country. Our whole political system could be disrupted.' That's all he said, and I could see he wasn't about to say any more. [The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover, Anthony Summers] Billy Byars, Jr. was born in 1936. In 1964 when he spoke with Hoover he would have been about age 28 https://www.boywiki.org/en/Billy_Byars,_Jr. QUOTE Summers shows through numerous details how very well the Byars, father and son, knew Hoover. The afternoon of President Kennedy's death, J. Edgar Hoover phoned three people: the Attorney General, the head of the Secret Service, and Billy Byars, Sr. [Summers, supra, p. 329] One statement by Billy Byars, Jr., is frequently repeated by conspiracy theorists. Byars related to Summers a conversation at the Del Charro during the summer of 1964 or 1965. "I asked him, 'Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald did it?' And he stopped and looked at me for quite a long time. Then he said, "If I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to this country. Our whole political system could be disrupted.' That's all he said, and I could see he wasn't going to say any more." [Summers, supra, p. 330]. Usually when this quote is cited online Byars, Jr. is described as "teenage", but he would have been in his late twenties. UNQUOTE According to Anthony Summers in Official and Confidential: the Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover . . . “By a secret agreement, even before the inaugural, Allen and Billy Byars, another oilman friend of Edgar’s—arranged to finance Eisenhower’s Gettysburg farm. They also funneled money to him ‘for his share of the farming operation.’ Byars subsidized Mamie Eisenhower’s brother-in-law Gordon Moore, by establishing a racing stable on his land.” Premier Petro Chemical Company: “President of Premiere and a stockholder will be Sylvester Dayson, who joined [Algur] Meadows [of General American Oil] in the formal announcement. Dayson was president of Premiere Oil Refining Company at Longview prior to its sale several years ago and since has been active as an individual in the petroleum business. There is no financial connection between Premiere Petrochemical and Premiere Oil Refining, which now is owned by Western Natural Gas Co., Houston. Other Premiere Petrochemical stockholders are these Dallas men: Lewis W. MacNaughton, DeGolyer & MacNaughton senior chairman; Roland S. Bond and R. H. Venable, independent oilmen; D. Harold Byrd, president of Byrd Enterprises; and Frederick R. Mayer, president of Exeter Drilling Co. Other stockholders are these Tyler men: Joe Zeppa, Delta Drilling Company president; B. G. Byars and Watson Wise, independents. J. R. Rogerson, formerly Monsanto Chemical Co. vice-president at El Dorado, Arkansas, will be executive vice-president of Premiere Petrochemical. He will headquarter in Houston. Edward Kliewer, Jr., Dallas attorney, will be secretary and general counsel.” Financing the new company was First National Bank in Dallas, which also worked with several other Dallas banks. First National Bank’s incoming president Robert H. Stewart, III who was a board member of the Murchison - Wynne Great Southwest enterprise that built 6 Flags Over Texas, was responsible for keeping LTV somewhat solvent in the mid-1960s as well as instrumental in the myriad of loans that both he and Murchison secured for Bobby Baker prior to the F-111 scandal. . . . Crime syndicates across the country relied on certain elements within law enforcement to turn a blind eye, and Dallas was no exception, as evidenced by the remarks of Pat Gannaway, the head of the division that was purported to be dedicated to uncovering and impeding organized crime. It is well documented that for decades, a number of noted Dallas business and social elite enjoyed the pastime of gambling and the attendant vices. Of particular interest are the oilmen identified during inquiries of the House Select Committee on Assassinations when they learned from Jack Ruby’s Havana gambling friend Lewis McWillie that Billy Byars, H. L. Hunt and Sid Richardson all gambled at Benny Binion’s legendary Top of the Hill Terrace located west of Dallas when it was managed by McWillie between 1940 and 1958. McWillie was also asked about Murchison and Toddie Wynne Sr. and their friendship with Civello capo Joe Campisi. – Coup in Dallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 36 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said: Of particular interest are the oilmen identified during inquiries of the House Select Committee on Assassinations when they learned from Jack Ruby’s Havana gambling friend Lewis McWillie that Billy Byars, H. L. Hunt and Sid Richardson all gambled at Benny Binion’s legendary Top of the Hill Terrace located west of Dallas when it was managed by McWillie between 1940 and 1958. For some reason the Top of the Hill makes me think of Pat Kirkwood in relation to it. I forget where I've read in more depth about it. Maybe his dad developed it and Binion took it over? I think dad owned another earlier gambling enclave west of Fort Worth on the way to Weatherford south of now I-20. One observable road in, gambling tables on turntables. Son Pat owned the Cellar in 1963 when Secret Service Agents drank into the morning there on 11/22/63. Some of this from Blood Aces, about Binion by Doug Swanson. I'll look some in the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 (edited) On 4/24/2024 at 9:17 AM, Robert Morrow said: One of my favorite stories about John Kennedy is told by famous author Lawrence Wright whose father in 1950 was a local banker in Ponca City, Oklahoma and he was also the head of the local Chamber of Commerce. Lawrence Wright's father was asked to arrange a speech for Congressman Kennedy and when he talked with JFK's advance people he was told that Cong. Kennedy required that services of a prostitute for his trip to Ponca City, OK. Even though JFK was not married in 1950, this is exactly how he behaved his entire adult life up until the moment of his death. The night before JFK's death, on 11-21-1963, he invited his friend Pam Am stewardess Layte Bowden Dopp (Florida State Univ. Homecoming Queen, 1956) up to his suite at the Hotel Texas and she did not go because she assumed Kennedy would make a sexual advance on her. JFK and Jackie were sleeping in different rooms. You can read this in Layte's memoirs Under the Radar in Camelot. Read the accounts of Evelyn Lincoln, Hy Raskin and Pierre Salinger and one can figure out how Lyndon Johnson was able to strong arm his way onto the 1960 Democratic presidential ticket: SEXUAL BLACKMAIL, threats to embarrass JFK in an election where JFK was already that his rampant womanizing would become a political issue. JFK wrote on a piece of paper that year "I got into the blondes" and he expected to be "hit with something" as the campaign progressed. LBJ and Sam Rayburn could have used any number of JFK's trysts to embarrass Kennedy, but I think the one they honed in on was the JFK-Pamela Turnure affair which Florence Kater had spread far and wide to the media that was not yet reporting on it. The wife of CIA William King Harvey, who hated JFK's guts, said that John Kennedy required the services of TWO PROSTITUTES when he traveled to Rome. There is a video of Mrs. William King Harvey saying this. What does this all add up to? John Kennedy was an 1) unhinged 2) hyper-promiscuous 3) compromised 4) reckless rampaging adulterer and it bit him in the fanny when he was shamefully forced to put Lyndon Johnson on the 1960 Democratic ticket as VP. LBJ forced/strongarmed his way onto the ticket because he knew the Kennedys, if elected, would immediately have him removed as Senate Democratic Majority Leader. JFK later said no one will ever know how LBJ got onto the ticket and that is a good thing: because the truth about is a humiliation of John Kennedy and it shows his weakness in crumbling to bully LBJ as well as his poor character. Putting LBJ on the ticket was a fatal mistake by JFK and it directly led to his assassination. Lawrence Wright: https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1988/november/was-dallas-a-city-of-hate/ QUOTE Daddy had his own dark thoughts about Kennedy. As a younger man he had had political ambitions of his own. Like Kennedy, he was a war hero; like Kennedy, he hoped to trade his wartime glory for public office. Kennedy was a young congressman from Massachusetts when my father made arrangements for him to speak in Oklahoma, at the Ponca City Chamber of Commerce, which my father chaired. Clearly there were advantages in an alliance between my father and this young political star. My father was expected to supply whatever the congressman needed, and what he needed was an ample and varied supply of Oklahoma women-no, not dinner dates, my father was instructed, just sexual companions. It was the moment my father’s own political aspirations died. He saw then the secret appetites of the public man, and he understood how his own appetite for power might lead him to violate his vows to God. He did not even go to hear Kennedy speak. UNQUOTE [“Was Dallas A City of Hate?” Lawrence Wright, D Magazine, 11-01-1988] Lawrence Wright wrote that in 1988 and in 2013 in Dallas he told the exact same story at a symposium on the JFK assassination in Dallas. You can find it at the 21-minute mark here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB_J0j2RYdg speaking of Lawrence Wright . . . The Manchurian Journalist: Lawrence Wright, the CIA, and the Corruption of American Journalism https://www.amazon.com/Manchurian-Journalist-Lawrence-Corruption-Journalism/dp/1634244540 In his forthcoming book, The Manchurian Journalist, seasoned investigator Dan Luzzader tracks the career path of Lawrence Wright who miraculously evaded military induction that likely would have meant a stint in Vietnam and instead landed a slot at the American University in Cairo where he learned his trade[craft?]. It's a fascinating tale – as the title suggests – likely to create a stir. Lawrence Wright's father Don was a senior executive of Lakewood State Bank, Dallas in the 1960s, a bank operated under the protective umbrella of Republic National Bank of Dallas. Don Wright should be of particular interest to those familiar with the esteemed jurist Robert G. Story, Jr. who inherited major shares in Lakewood earning him a seat on the board of Republic National which – as many informed researchers will now concur – served as the Southwest satellite of US intelligence and the Military Industrial Complex in 1963. 300 North Ervay — Republic National Bank and Howard Corp The following from The Handbook of Texas compiled by the Texas State Historical Association and available online, offers an introduction to a little known fact behind the phenomenal success of Republic National Bank of Dallas from the 1940s thru the early 1970s: “In what some consider his most important management decision, [Fred] Florence [as head of Republic National Bank], organized a wholly owned subsidiary, the Howard Corporation, in 1946 to receive the petroleum properties of Republic National in exchange for its authorized capital stock. The company, which took its name from Howard County, Texas where some of the oil properties were located, acquired numerous shares of Teléfonos de México, invested in twenty Texas banks, Highland Park Village, and six other shopping centers, and undeveloped real estate, and paid huge dividends. By 1948 Republic was the largest bank in Texas. Howard's stock was transferred to a separate trust in 1955, but in 1973 the Federal Reserve Bank required Republic to divest itself of the Howard Corporation's non-banking assets in order to form a holding company known as the Republic of Texas Corporation.” The veil of secrecy was lifted from ‘The Howard Corp” et al by officers of the Republic National Bank of Dallas — Al Altwegg, Business Ed., Dallas Morning News, Feb 1964. In the early ’60s, Business Editor of the Dallas Morning News, Al Altwegg began to delve into the shadowy Howard Corp. Under a March 10, 1963, headline, “The Howard Corp. Unique in Banking,” Altwegg reported that as early as 1959 someone had raised the question of whether or not Republic National Bank was in violation of the National Bank Holding Act. The trustees of Howard Corp., which included the president of Republic, James W. Aston, reporting directly to Chairman Karl Hoblitzelle, managed to convince Texas banking authorities that there was no violation of the state’s laws prohibiting branch banking. Republic’s scheme was to purchase majority shares in various banks around the area under what seem to have been shell corporations within the Howard Corp, trust, thereby skirting scrutiny because each corporation held the controlling shares independent of Republic Bank. Those thirteen “non-branch banks” included Lakewood State Bank, whose president at the time of the assassination, Robert G. Storey, Jr., was an alleged CIA asset after the war and looms large in our story. Many authors interested in the machinations of the Central Intelligence Agency have over the years referenced The Washington Post article by staff writer Richard Harwood published February 18, 1967, as evidence that Republic National Bank was a conduit for the CIA: In Dallas, Texas, a charitable foundation intimately associated with the Republic National Bank and other major companies, apparently has served as a conduit for at least $580,700 in CIA funds since 1958 . . . the Hoblitzelle foundation began making major grants to the International Development Funds, about which nothing is known, and the Congress for Cultural Freedom. With this, Harwood revealed that the Hoblitzelle Foundation, referenced in the prelude to this chapter, was a conduit for the agency and argued that by association the Republic National Bank was a CIA conduit: “Business Leaders Are Tied to CIA’s Covert Operations.” The report read in part, “There was mounting evidence yesterday that leaders of the American business establishment have been deeply involved in the cover operations of the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States. In Dallas, Texas, a charitable foundation intimately associated with the Republic National Bank and other major companies, apparently has served as a conduit for at least $580,700 in CIA funds since 1958. One of the foundation trustees is Federal Judge Sahar [sic] T. Hughes, who administered the oath of office to President Lyndon Johnson following the assassination of President Kennedy.” The roots of the reality that Republic National was a conduit for the CIA may run far deeper than reporter Richard Harwood was able to discover or at least report at the time. The CIA’s “Operation Mockingbird,” the inspiration of Frank Wisner and spearheaded by Cord Meyer, Jr., was part of the agency’s ongoing propaganda machine known as the “Mighty Wurlitzer.” – Coup in Dallas I don't read even a hint of the aforementioned in Lawrence Wright's attempt to lay his burden down on the 20th anniversary of the assassination of John Kennedy in his beloved Dallas found here: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/why-do-they-hate-us-so-much/ Edited May 30 by Leslie Sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cloud Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 5 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said: speaking of Lawrence Wright . . . The Manchurian Journalist: Lawrence Wright, the CIA, and the Corruption of American Journalism https://www.amazon.com/Manchurian-Journalist-Lawrence-Corruption-Journalism/dp/1634244540 In his forthcoming book, The Manchurian Journalist, seasoned investigator Dan Luzzader tracks the career path of Lawrence Wright who miraculously evaded military induction that likely would have meant a stint in Vietnam and instead landed a slot at the American University in Cairo where he learned his trade[craft?]. It's a fascinating tale – as the title suggests – likely to create a stir. Lawrence Wright's father Don was a senior executive of Lakewood State Bank, Dallas in the 1960s, a bank operated under the protective umbrella of Republic National Bank of Dallas. Don Wright should be of particular interest to those familiar with the esteemed jurist Robert G. Story, Jr. who inherited major shares in Lakewood earning him a seat on the board of Republic National which – as many informed researchers will now concur – served as the Southwest satellite of US intelligence and the Military Industrial Complex in 1963. 300 North Ervay — Republic National Bank and Howard Corp The following from The Handbook of Texas compiled by the Texas State Historical Association and available online, offers an introduction to a little known fact behind the phenomenal success of Republic National Bank of Dallas from the 1940s thru the early 1970s: “In what some consider his most important management decision, [Fred] Florence [as head of Republic National Bank], organized a wholly owned subsidiary, the Howard Corporation, in 1946 to receive the petroleum properties of Republic National in exchange for its authorized capital stock. The company, which took its name from Howard County, Texas where some of the oil properties were located, acquired numerous shares of Teléfonos de México, invested in twenty Texas banks, Highland Park Village, and six other shopping centers, and undeveloped real estate, and paid huge dividends. By 1948 Republic was the largest bank in Texas. Howard's stock was transferred to a separate trust in 1955, but in 1973 the Federal Reserve Bank required Republic to divest itself of the Howard Corporation's non-banking assets in order to form a holding company known as the Republic of Texas Corporation.” The veil of secrecy was lifted from ‘The Howard Corp” et al by officers of the Republic National Bank of Dallas — Al Altwegg, Business Ed., Dallas Morning News, Feb 1964. In the early ’60s, Business Editor of the Dallas Morning News, Al Altwegg began to delve into the shadowy Howard Corp. Under a March 10, 1963, headline, “The Howard Corp. Unique in Banking,” Altwegg reported that as early as 1959 someone had raised the question of whether or not Republic National Bank was in violation of the National Bank Holding Act. The trustees of Howard Corp., which included the president of Republic, James W. Aston, reporting directly to Chairman Karl Hoblitzelle, managed to convince Texas banking authorities that there was no violation of the state’s laws prohibiting branch banking. Republic’s scheme was to purchase majority shares in various banks around the area under what seem to have been shell corporations within the Howard Corp, trust, thereby skirting scrutiny because each corporation held the controlling shares independent of Republic Bank. Those thirteen “non-branch banks” included Lakewood State Bank, whose president at the time of the assassination, Robert G. Storey, Jr., was an alleged CIA asset after the war and looms large in our story. Many authors interested in the machinations of the Central Intelligence Agency have over the years referenced The Washington Post article by staff writer Richard Harwood published February 18, 1967, as evidence that Republic National Bank was a conduit for the CIA: In Dallas, Texas, a charitable foundation intimately associated with the Republic National Bank and other major companies, apparently has served as a conduit for at least $580,700 in CIA funds since 1958 . . . the Hoblitzelle foundation began making major grants to the International Development Funds, about which nothing is known, and the Congress for Cultural Freedom. With this, Harwood revealed that the Hoblitzelle Foundation, referenced in the prelude to this chapter, was a conduit for the agency and argued that by association the Republic National Bank was a CIA conduit: “Business Leaders Are Tied to CIA’s Covert Operations.” The report read in part, “There was mounting evidence yesterday that leaders of the American business establishment have been deeply involved in the cover operations of the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States. In Dallas, Texas, a charitable foundation intimately associated with the Republic National Bank and other major companies, apparently has served as a conduit for at least $580,700 in CIA funds since 1958. One of the foundation trustees is Federal Judge Sahar [sic] T. Hughes, who administered the oath of office to President Lyndon Johnson following the assassination of President Kennedy.” The roots of the reality that Republic National was a conduit for the CIA may run far deeper than reporter Richard Harwood was able to discover or at least report at the time. The CIA’s “Operation Mockingbird,” the inspiration of Frank Wisner and spearheaded by Cord Meyer, Jr., was part of the agency’s ongoing propaganda machine known as the “Mighty Wurlitzer.” – Coup in Dallas I don't read even a hint of the aforementioned in Lawrence Wright's attempt to lay his burden down on the 20th anniversary of the assassination of John Kennedy in his beloved Dallas found here: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/why-do-they-hate-us-so-much/ Harwood's role in the "exposes" of the '60s designed to allow the neo-con ascendency in the '70s might, now, be worthy of scrutiny. https://www.commentary.org/articles/daniel-moynihan/the-presidency-the-press/ “The Presidency and the Press,” Daniel P. Moynihan, Commentary, March 1971 ... "Another possibility is for each newspaper to keep a critical eye on itself. In the article previously cited which he did for the Sunday Times Magazine, A. H. Raskin called for “a Department of Internal Criticism” in every paper “to put all its standards under re-examination and to serve as a public protection in its day-to-day operations.” The Times itself has yet to establish such a department but the Washington Post has recently set a welcome example here by inaugurating a regular editorial-page feature by Richard Harwood entitled “The News Business.” Harwood’s business is to check up on what his paper runs, and he is finding a good deal to check up on. (To all editors: Please understand there is nothing wrong with this. It is a routine experience of even the most advanced sciences. Perhaps especially of such.) Harwood has made a useful distinction between mistakes of detail—the ordinary garbles and slips of a fast-moving enterprise—and mistakes of judgment about the nature of events: The mistakes that are more difficult to fix are those that arise out of our selection and definition of the news. Often we are unaware of error until much time has passed and much damage has been done. In retrospect, it seems obvious that the destructive phenomenon called “McCarthyism”—the search in the 1950’s for witches, scapegoats, traitors—was a product of this kind of error. Joseph McCarthy, an obscure and mediocre senator from Wisconsin, was transformed into the Grand Inquisitor by publicity. And there was no way later for the newspapers of America to repair that damage, to say on the morning after: “We regret the error.” Which will turn out “in retrospect” to seem the obvious errors of the 1960’s? There were many, but they are past. The question now is what might be the errors of the 1970’s, and whether some can be avoided. One Richard Harwood does not a professional upheaval make, but he marks a profoundly important beginning. All major journals should have such a man in a senior post, and very likely he should have a staff of reporters to help him cover “the news business.” As for government itself, there is not much to be done, but there is something. It is perfectly clear that the press will not be intimidated. Specific efforts like President Kennedy’s to get David Halberstam removed as a Times correspondent in Vietnam almost always fail, as they deserve to do.7 Non-specific charges such as those leveled by Vice President Agnew get nowhere either. They come down to an avowal of dislike, which is returned in more than ample measure, with the added charge that in criticizing the press the government may be trying to intimidate it, which is unconstitutional." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 (edited) 3 hours ago, Matt Cloud said: Harwood's role in the "exposes" of the '60s designed to allow the neo-con ascendency in the '70s might, now, be worthy of scrutiny. https://www.commentary.org/articles/daniel-moynihan/the-presidency-the-press/ “The Presidency and the Press,” Daniel P. Moynihan, Commentary, March 1971 ... "Another possibility is for each newspaper to keep a critical eye on itself. In the article previously cited which he did for the Sunday Times Magazine, A. H. Raskin called for “a Department of Internal Criticism” in every paper “to put all its standards under re-examination and to serve as a public protection in its day-to-day operations.” The Times itself has yet to establish such a department but the Washington Post has recently set a welcome example here by inaugurating a regular editorial-page feature by Richard Harwood entitled “The News Business.” Harwood’s business is to check up on what his paper runs, and he is finding a good deal to check up on. (To all editors: Please understand there is nothing wrong with this. It is a routine experience of even the most advanced sciences. Perhaps especially of such.) Harwood has made a useful distinction between mistakes of detail—the ordinary garbles and slips of a fast-moving enterprise—and mistakes of judgment about the nature of events: The mistakes that are more difficult to fix are those that arise out of our selection and definition of the news. Often we are unaware of error until much time has passed and much damage has been done. In retrospect, it seems obvious that the destructive phenomenon called “McCarthyism”—the search in the 1950’s for witches, scapegoats, traitors—was a product of this kind of error. Joseph McCarthy, an obscure and mediocre senator from Wisconsin, was transformed into the Grand Inquisitor by publicity. And there was no way later for the newspapers of America to repair that damage, to say on the morning after: “We regret the error.” Which will turn out “in retrospect” to seem the obvious errors of the 1960’s? There were many, but they are past. The question now is what might be the errors of the 1970’s, and whether some can be avoided. One Richard Harwood does not a professional upheaval make, but he marks a profoundly important beginning. All major journals should have such a man in a senior post, and very likely he should have a staff of reporters to help him cover “the news business.” As for government itself, there is not much to be done, but there is something. It is perfectly clear that the press will not be intimidated. Specific efforts like President Kennedy’s to get David Halberstam removed as a Times correspondent in Vietnam almost always fail, as they deserve to do.7 Non-specific charges such as those leveled by Vice President Agnew get nowhere either. They come down to an avowal of dislike, which is returned in more than ample measure, with the added charge that in criticizing the press the government may be trying to intimidate it, which is unconstitutional." In this instance, Harwood exposed a veritable bottomless pit of funds derived from West Texas Crude stashed in an off-the-books account at Republic National Dallas for decades. In a personal note to James Angleton dated July 23, 1964, special employee and friend Pierre Lafitte makes note that the rest will be worked out w/Howard group. In the early stages of analysis of Lafitte's records, it was easy to assume he means E. Howard Hunt's group; however, as will be presented in Coup Brief, it is now reasonable to argue this is a reference to the accountholders of Republic National Bank's client Howard Corp. and/or those on their payroll. That RNB's satellite Lakewood State hired Don Wright whose son ends up at American University Cairo where he learned at the feet of some of America's most successful international propagandists serving. witting or not, Frank Wisner's Wurlitzer should prompt at least a modicum of curiosity. Wisner's son whose first posting as a foreign service officer was Tangier, currently holds a seat on the board of trustees of AUEgypt alongside John J. McCloy II. I would remind researchers that Robert G. Storey, Jr. (who makes a cameo appearance in Lafitte's 1963 datebook) was a board member of RNB and served as Texas liaison with the Warren Commission. Edited May 30 by Leslie Sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 About Heymann, it is not true that he did not make up books. He did. He made up people who did not exist, and he created interviews that he never did. He made up police departments. He put his name on books he did not write, forbidding the real authors to take credit for them. Heymann represented all that was wrong about the publishing business and their lack of pre publication review. Becuase Heymann manufactured so much salacious and sensational stuff, and he worked to sell the fabricated products, and the MSM bought into them since they have no standards also, his books sold. And that is why they got published even though they were full of pernicious BS. I know someone who has done a lot of work on Heymann. I mean a lot. The guy was a skunk. No one here should quote a man who was that amoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cloud Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: No one here should quote a man who was that amoral. You let us know who's on the "okay-to-quote," or is it the "not as amoral as that"?, list, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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