Matt Allison Posted Tuesday at 07:46 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:46 PM The only entity lying about the Trump assassination is Trump and his drunk quack, Ronny Jackson. Why hasn't Trump released info about his hospital visit, hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted Tuesday at 08:36 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:36 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted Wednesday at 01:41 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:41 PM On 8/20/2024 at 10:48 AM, Paul Rigby said: John, Thinking out loud, this amateur historian instinctively struggles with any notion of the uniqueness of the Trump assassination attempt lies, from scale to rapidity of moving on. Isn't this what we commonly find, from Lincoln to Hinckley? How did Stanton, for example, get away with announcing rewards for the apprehension of all Lincoln conspirators, only to prosecute merely the low-level operatives, with any number of obvious leads ignored or excised? Didn't the coup attempt against FDR receive scant media attention (except for a Philadelphian paper and New Masses)? Was the scrubbing from the post-assassination MSM of JFK's conflicts with CIA, described by many of the same media in the years prior, any different from what we have witnessed following July 13, when not a single MSM outlet has recalled Trump's well-documented battles with the inter-agency? I fully agree with you about the brazenness of the current lying, and with your analysis of its purpose: It just seems to me that Hitler got his notion of große Lüge from his Wall Street backers, who already had plenty of practice in its implementation. Trust things are a little better across the Irish Sea than they are on this side of it! Paul Unfortunately, it’s not much different here on this small north Atlantic island, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted Wednesday at 01:42 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:42 PM (edited) 17 hours ago, Matt Allison said: Since, with considerable justification, Trump probably sees that the establishment has been out to get him in every possible way, including by apparently being involved or at least complicit in the assassination attempt, and that it has been obstructing any proper investigation of it, it is understandable that he wouldn’t expect such an establishment to conduct a proper investigation and that therefore he wouldn’t demand that it should. Maybe, like Bobby Kennedy in relation to the assassination of his brother, he sees that the only way he can ensure that there is a proper investigation is by focusing on winning the election so that, among other things, he can then appoint an investigative body which is independent of the current corrupt establishment to carry out the investigation. Edited Wednesday at 02:02 PM by John Cotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted Wednesday at 06:39 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:39 PM 4 hours ago, John Cotter said: Since, with considerable justification, Trump probably sees that the establishment has been out to get him in every possible way oh yes, that must be it, seeing as how Trump is not a well-known chronic complainer that constantly paints himself as a victim. Uh huh. Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Gallaway Posted Wednesday at 07:41 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:41 PM 5 hours ago, John Cotter said: Maybe, like Bobby Kennedy in relation to the assassination of his brother, he sees that the only way he can ensure that there is a proper investigation is by focusing on winning the election so that, among other things, he can then appoint an investigative body which is independent of the current corrupt establishment to carry out the investigation. That's not even true, people use a quote from Walinsky that was really meant to emphasize the difficulty and tamp down expectations such an investigation would have occurred. If Bobby wanted to launch his own investigation as AG, no one could have stopped him. You obviously aren't familiar with Trump. Has anyone ever known Trump to "play it cool"----ever? particularly now, where he needs a bombshell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted Wednesday at 08:00 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:00 PM (edited) 19 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said: That's not even true, people use a quote from Walinsky that was really meant to emphasize the difficulty and tamp down expectations such an investigation would have occurred. If Bobby wanted to launch his own investigation as AG, no one could have stopped him. You obviously aren't familiar with Trump. Has anyone ever known Trump to "play it cool"----ever? particularly now, where he needs a bombshell? The people who assassinated a president with impunity would have no problem with assassinating an attorney general. Trump would be even more foolish than you, Matt and your fellow Democrats, think he is to demand that the establishment which was complicit in his attempted assassination investigate itself. But since presumably you reject these arguments, why do you think Trump hasn't been vociferously demanding such an investigation? Edited Wednesday at 08:00 PM by John Cotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted Wednesday at 09:31 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:31 PM 1 hour ago, Kirk Gallaway said: You obviously aren't familiar with Trump. Has anyone ever known Trump to "play it cool"----ever? particularly now, where he needs a bombshell? There are lots of people that live in an alternate reality and will believe anything that Trump says. Because they want to. Fascinating way to exist, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted Wednesday at 10:17 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:17 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, John Cotter said: But since presumably you reject these arguments, why do you think Trump hasn't been vociferously demanding such an investigation? Still no answer to this question. Edited Wednesday at 10:19 PM by John Cotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted yesterday at 12:12 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:12 AM 1 hour ago, John Cotter said: Still no answer to this question. Because any legitimate investigation gets access to medical records of the event and the need to explain how Trump's ear completely healed in two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted yesterday at 12:18 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:18 AM 10 hours ago, John Cotter said: Maybe, like Bobby Kennedy in relation to the assassination of his brother, he sees that the only way he can ensure that there is a proper investigation is by focusing on winning the election so that, among other things, he can then appoint an investigative body which is independent of the current corrupt establishment to carry out the investigation. Project 2025 calls for replacing all career civil servants with people who pledge 100% personal loyalty to Donald Trump. You can't see the innate corruption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted yesterday at 01:11 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:11 AM 58 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: Because any legitimate investigation gets access to medical records of the event and the need to explain how Trump's ear completely healed in two weeks. Yep. 100%. All other discussion is moot until that is addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, Matt Allison said: 4 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said: Because any legitimate investigation gets access to medical records of the event and the need to explain how Trump's ear completely healed in two weeks. Yep. 100%. All other discussion is moot until that is addressed. Ear or not ear. To do proper metrics to determine where the shots came from and if they came from two sources you need the autopsy reports of Crooks and Compaeratore, as well as the medical files of the two injured bystanders. But wait a minute: Crooks' body was cremated after the Senate and House requested to see the body with their own eyes. The autopsy of Comperatore is not available. (If made at all.)The medical files of the two other victims are not available. Do determine if different types of bullets where fired or the same type but with different guns you need the shells and bullets. The are not availiable. Butler is within a big information vacuum -- The biggest one since Dallas '63 regarding bullets fired at a high-profile politician, autopsys and medical files. Your "ear discussion" is ridiculous. What you are trying to say? That nobody fired at Trump in Butler? LOL. Edited 20 hours ago by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Two Oswalds, two Crooks. Oswald in two places at once. Crooks in two places at once. Oswald and Thornley. Crooks and Yearick. Fake timelines in Dallas, fake timelines in Butler. They operate with the same old tricks. And like Dallas, they will never be able to bury Butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 35 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said: Your "ear discussion" is ridiculous. What you are trying to say? That nobody fired at Trump in Butler? LOL. A completely healed ear two weeks after getting shot is as suspicious as any of the stuff you dig up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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