Jean Ceulemans Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 3 minutes ago, Kevin Balch said: Is there doubt that bullets were fired? No, some believe he was also hit in the left ear, according the SBT (Split Bullet Theory) Incredible, not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 20 minutes ago, Sean Coleman said: There’s been a lot of talk about the wound but no pics so here we go… Is the wound at 1 o’clock or 10 o’clock, hard to say, but by crikey he was a lucky sob! It looks like 1:00. He was hit by something there that did not pass through. IF a high-velocity bullet had hit him there it would have passed through and hit him in the head behind the ear, or at the very least tore threw the back of the ear. As no blood is trickling down his neck it seems clear this is a surface wound, exactly as Jackson said in his initial description. . It's a smoking non-bullet, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Jean Ceulemans said: No, some believe he was also hit in the left ear, according [to] the SBT (Split Bullet Theory). Incredible, not? LOL. That was the kind of deception that Mark Lane utilized in his film "Rush To Judgment" when he intended to deceive people into thinking Bill Newman pointed to his right temple during his WFAA interview on 11/22/63, when Newman was really pointing to his left temple. But you were just joking.....right Jean? (Sometimes it's hard to tell, you know.) 😊 Edited July 26 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt Allison Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 FBI changes wording, seems to pacify Trump: The agency told Fox News reporter Jacqui Heinrich in a statement on Friday afternoon, “What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle,” the statement read. The statement was also posted by Fox’s Bret Baier. The FBI said they found “numerous metal fragments found near the stage,” according to a law enforcement official who spoke to The New York Times on Thursday, and were using those fragments to determine whether it was a bullet or debris that hit Trump. Trump, today, at a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Ceulemans Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, David Von Pein said: LOL. That was the kind of deception that Mark Lane utilized in his film "Rush To Judgment" when he intended to deceive people into thinking Bill Newman pointed to his right temple during his WFAA interview on 11/22/63, when Newman was really pointing to his left temple. But you were just joking.....right Jean? (Sometimes it's hard to tell, you know.) 😊 Just joking, you are correct that it´s sometimes hard to tell these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Down Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 3 hours ago, Matt Allison said: Like other spectators, Trump was hit by debris/shrapnel. Wray knows that if it had been a bullet that grazed Trump, then they would have evidence of a bullet on that exact trajectory. They don't. Also, as already stated, an AR15 would have done more damage than the scratch on Trump's ear: Rubbish test. They used ballistic gel to mimic cartilage?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, David Von Pein said: LOL. That was the kind of deception that Mark Lane utilized in his film "Rush To Judgment" when he intended to deceive people into thinking Bill Newman pointed to his right temple during his WFAA interview on 11/22/63, when Newman was really pointing to his left temple. But you were just joking.....right Jean? (Sometimes it's hard to tell, you know.) 😊 Oh my. Newman pointed to his left temple because he had his kid in his right arm and was simply pointing out the location of the temple. He pointed to his right temple later that day and hundreds of times since so I don't think it was all that big of a deal for the film's director (probably not Lane himself) to reverse the original image for the movie. Certainly not as big of a deal as Ball and Specter convincing the doctors to move a back wound up to the base of the neck, and then start calling it a wound on the back of the neck. FWIW: I took a look at a NYT article in which the shooting is analyzed, and the reporters conclude Trump was hit by the first shot and that it was a straight shot that grazed his ear and went on to hit the bleachers. The analysis was far from precise and I immediately spotted a major problem. They didn't perform a vertical analysis of the trajectory. If they had they would have realized the supposed impact location was at the top of the bleachers...ABOVE the level of Trump's ear. Well, this proves if nothing else that the bullet was deflected...which rules out their claims it was a straight shot. Edited July 27 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) Donald Trump was quite obviously struck by something during the July 13th assassination attempt (probably a bullet or bullet fragment), but after looking at this remarkable picture below, which seems to actually show a bullet speeding past Trump's head, I'm wondering how this speeding bullet could have struck the UPPER part of Trump's right ear? The trajectory looks too low. It looks like the bullet would hit the LOWER part of the right ear, not the upper portion. ~shrug~ [Edit: But perhaps the angle of the photo can explain that apparent discrepancy.] Edited July 27 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 5 minutes ago, Pat Speer said: Oh my. Newman pointed to his left temple because he had his kid in his right arm and was simply pointing out the location of the temple. He pointed to his right temple later that day and hundreds of times since so I don't think it was all that big of a deal for the film's director (probably not Lane himself) to reverse the original image for the movie. Certainly not as big of a deal as Ball and Specter convincing the doctors to move a back wound up to the base of the neck, and then start calling it a wound on the back of the neck. Oh my. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, Matt Allison said: Yes, for those not aware, Ronny Jackson is not a good person. I am sure your are a better person ... and a better physician too. And better in evaluating the ear wound than the staff of the Butler Memorial Hospital. Ronny L. Jackson said in that document: Quote I have reviewed President Trump's medical records from Butler Memorial Hospital, where he was initially evaluated and treated for "Gunshot Wound to the Right Ear". Having served as an Emergency Medicine physician for over 20 years in the United States Navy, including as a combat physician on the battlefield in Iraq, I have treated many gunshot wounds in my career. Based on my direct observations of the injury, my relevant clinical background, and my significant experience evaluating and treating patients with similar wounds, I completely with the initial assessment and treatment provided by the doctors and nurses at Butler Memorial Hospital at the day of the shooting. But sure, Matt Allison and Pat Speer knew better than Ronny L. Jackson and all the doctors and nurses at Butler Memorial Hospital... since we know that Pat Speer knew better than all the Parkland physicians who threated Kennedy, too... BTW Watchin Wray (obviously also a great physician) for hours I nearly fell in love with Hoover ... Edited July 27 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said: I am sure your are a better person ... and a better physician two. And better in evaluating the ear wound than the whole stuff of the Butler Memorial Hospital. Ronny L. Jackson said in that document: But sure, Matt Allison and Pat Speer knew better than Ronny L. Jackson and all the doctors and nurses at Butler Memorial Hospital... since we know that Pat Speer knew better than all the Parkland physicians who threated Kennedy, too... BTW Watchin Wray (obviously also a great physician) for hours I nearly fell in love with Hoover ... Did the bullet go through his ear, Karl? Did it graze the outside of his ear? From what I can tell the wound was near the middle of the ear, which makes a graze impossible. Can we agree on that at least? That bullets don't graze the inner part of the ear and leave no holes or tears in the cartilage? Edited July 27 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 14 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: Donald Trump was quite obviously struck by something And "something" shot at him? Or could the "noises" "somebody" heard at Butler be backfire of a motorcycle? Edited July 27 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 1 minute ago, Karl Kinaski said: And "something" shot at him? Or could the "noises" "somebody" heard at Butler be backfire of a motorcycle? Huh??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 5 hours ago, Pat Speer said: What??? The wound was described as blunt and down to the cartilage. It is NOT a hole through the ear. Right. The bullet struck the very top portion of the ear. Traveling from front to back. Clipped the top of ear, leaving 2 c of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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