David Boylan Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Briefing book on the Vietnam War Part 1 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=146534#relPageId=1 Part 2 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=146535#relPageId=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 That's really deep David, I skimmed through much of it. AID involved? The same AID that employed Ruth's dad among others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Interesting material, and, certainly, consistent with Prouty's account of the failure of the strategic hamlet ops, and the lack of popular support for the CIA-created South Vietnamese government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Re skimmed, a lot slower, the first part. Very deep pre reading for a one-day eight-hour conference, at only half of it yet! Forrestall didn't seem impressed with McNamara. Still several redactions. It did say everyone out by the end of 1965, 1000 by the end of 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 Hey Ron, I'm glad somebody reads this (long) stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 4 hours ago, David Boylan said: Hey Ron, I'm glad somebody reads this (long) stuff! David, Is there a short version of how McGeorge Bundy ended up with the November 21st draft of NSAM 273? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: NSAM 273 Hi W. Here's some reading on the implementation of 273 - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=101#relPageId=2 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=118#relPageId=10 I haven't found the rough drafts of 273. Seems to be missing? - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=945#relPageId=653 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 If you go through the briefing book, the Kennedy 'Out by the end of 1965' Vietnam policy is mentioned dozens upon dozens of times . Lodge, who participated in the Honolulu Conference, was asked about this in 1978 or 1979. He said he had never heard of such a thing ('Out by the end of 1965'). Lodge also claimed in that interview that Kennedy persuaded him to take the job in Vietnam, when it was actually the other way around: Kennedy was persuaded by Rusk to send Lodge. Kennedy had someone else in mind for the job, though the name escapes me. Lodge and Conein arranged that the Diem brothers ended up in the hands of their killers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 On 9/9/2024 at 9:12 PM, Karl Kinaski said: If you go through the briefing book, the Kennedy 'Out by the end of 1965' Vietnam policy is mentioned dozens upon dozens of times . Lodge, who participated in the Honolulu Conference, was asked about this in 1978 or 1979. He said he had never heard of such a thing ('Out by the end of 1965'). Lodge also claimed in that interview that Kennedy persuaded him to take the job in Vietnam, when it was actually the other way around: Kennedy was persuaded by Rusk to send Lodge. Kennedy had someone else in mind for the job, though the name escapes me. Lodge and Conein arranged that the Diem brothers ended up in the hands of their killers. Karl, what is your source that Sec. of State Dean Rusk was the one to persuade JFK to name Henry Lodge the U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam? I want that in my files. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) @R. Morrow said: Quote Karl, what is your source that Sec. of State Dean Rusk was the one to persuade JFK to name Henry Lodge the U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam? I want that in my files. Quote, Arthur Schlesinger A THOSUAND DAYS (1965) Quote Now he (Kennedy) began to conclude that the new situation required a new ambassador. Six months before, Nolting had asked, for personal reasons, to be relieved; and, after the Buddhist outburst, the President decided (with some reluctance: like F.D.R. he hated to fire people; moreover, he like Nolting) that the time had come. I have the impression that he wanted to send next to Saigon Edmund Gullion, from whom he had first learned about Indochina a dozen years before and who had performed with such distinction in the Congo; Gullion was certainly the candidate of at least some at the White House. But Dean Rusk, in a rare moment of selfassertion, determined to make this appointment himself. He did not want Gullion, and his candidate, to the astonishment or dismay of the White House staff, turned out to be Henry Cabot Lodge. Edited September 16 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 But Dean Rusk, in a rare moment of selfassertion, determined to make this appointment himself. He did not want Gullion, and his candidate, to the astonishment or dismay of the White House staff, turned out to be Henry Cabot Lodge. Handing the colony over to its proprietor, just a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) BTW There is a transcript of the conversation from the last time both men met. 38 seconds of the recording are classified for reasons unknown. There are some funny moments. For example, when JFK asks Lodge if Madame Nhu is a lesbian. Nowhere does JFK say the words: 'I want to persuade you to go to Vietnam as my ambassador.' which Lodge claimed Kennedy said to him during this conversation. It was Rusk who persuaded the reluctant Kennedy to send Lodge. link Edited October 5 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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