What's a TSBD?

[John Dolva]

Lee, since I wrote that I came across an article (in a Dallas magazine I think, about said controversy. By that account the windows did a bit of musical chairs. Byrd took west, Mayhew took east, and replaced with a rear window. Controversy not settled I understand. So the real window might have been in place a few years more. I have the photos from assassination showing 'sniper nest from outside. But nothing equally clear of the west window. Anyone?

Gerry, the main thing (apart from the usual enjoyable read I get is that 'Collins' is not a secure system hence not used for such things as launch protocols. Possibly for 'lesser' coded messages.

Anyway, I've been scouring the net to the best of my ability from here to find any info on who owned "The Texas School Book Depository Company"(a privately-owned company charged with fulfilling book orders from schools all over the Southwest, incorporated in 1927).

-All I have is that they left the building in 1970 soon after Byrd sold it.

-The vice president OCHUS V. CAMPBELL witnessed the assassination and was interviewed by the FBI.

-They had a warehouse a few blocks away.

Otherwise, unlike other companies, there seems to be little info available on the net.

"Pat and Tom, this is interesting, however:

...as the buiding was leased to the company called "The Texas School Book Depository" which had warehouses elsewhere as well, what would be more interesting to see is who were the owners of the TSBD (the company, not the building).

(Please refer to post 1 and 3 for some background)"

This is also interesting:

A witness I hadn't heard of before was vice president of the TSBD company. He was standing in front of the TSBD building and heard the shots as coming from elsewhere than the TSBD building.

"FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 11/24/63

OCHUS V. CAMPBELL, 7120 Twin Lakes Lane, Dallas, Texas, furnished the following information:

He is the Vice President of the Texas School Book Depository Company, with offices located on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building in Dallas.

On November 22, 1963, he was present at his office at the above named building and at about 12:30 PM on that day, he and several other associates were together stationed about 30 feet in front of this building facing away from the building observing the passing motorcade containing President KENNEDY. At this time, he heard a loud report, which at first he considered to be a fire cracker or some object set off by a crank and believed the noise came from away from his building. This illusion, he explained, may have been due to the sound bouncing off the building and other objects in the vicinity. After hearing two more such reports, he realized they must have been rifle shots and since President KENNEDY's car had advanced just out of his vision, he went forward a few feet to observe this automobile, inasmuch as he feared that the rifle shots were in connection with an attempt upon President KENNEDY's life. He then observed the car bearing President KENNEDY to slow down, a near stop, and a motorcycle policeman rushed up. Immediately following this, he observed the car rush away from the scene. He then immediately rushed into his building without having seen anything unusual from any window of his building. Inside he was told shortly thereafter by the warehouse superintendent, Mr. TRULY, that all the employees of the company had been rounded up and one employee, LEE HARVEY OSWALD, was missing.

Mr. CAMPBELL observed a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, bearing New Orleans, Louisiana No. 112 723, and stated that he is sure this is a photograph of the employee named above, but added that he is not personally aquainted with him and has never seen him. He advised that he has always given Mr. TRULY the responsibility for hiring employees for the warehouse.

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on 11/24/63 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 89-43

By Special Agent EDWARD C. HARDIL & PAUL L. SCOTT Date Dictated 11/24/63"

The reason I keep harping on identity of owners of "The Texas School Book Depository Company"(a privately-owned company charged with fulfilling book orders from schools all over the Southwest, incorporated in 1927) is probably obvious, but just in case : Whatever Byrd may have been up to, unless there is a connection betweeen him and the company, how can he have anything to do with Oswalds employment? The company as a separate entity LEASED the building from Byrd. Does that mean he has input into how it does its business?

One thought is the connections of individuals within the company like rightwing groupings. These people would then have to have some control. The vice president identifies Truly as the one in charge of hiring and firing.

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Pat and Tom, this is interesting, however:

...as the buiding was leased to the company called "The Texas School Book Depository" which had warehouses elsewhere as well, what would be more interesting to see is who were the owners of the TSBD (the company, not the building).

(Please refer to post 1 and 3 for some background)

The "one" that went home for lunch & was not there was a primary owner/partner in it.

It must be also recalled that the TSDB did not lease out the entire bldg. There were other entities located there as well on various floors.

There is of course also the curosity that some thought that the extra help was needed for the other "warehouse" bldg. which was several blocks away, but NOT on the parade route.

Part of the rumored "need" for LHO to be in the TSDB was the decision to install plywood-type flooring throughout the 6th floor, as it was determined that oil/stain in the existing wood flooring was soaking through the cardboard box containers for the books and could eventually cause oil-type stains on the books themselves.

Thus the hiring of the LHO look-a-like in the Altgens photo, and others, to do this work, and thus also the "re-arranging of the boxes of books on the sixth floor.

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PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION

ON THE ASSASSINATION OF

PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

STATE OF TEXAS,

County of Dallas, ss:

I, J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer, of the Texas School Book Depository declare the following statements:

The Texas School Book Depository was organized in 1908 as a sole proprietorship and continued in this manner until 1927 when it was incorporated under the laws of the State of Texas.

The Corporation's offices are located at Elm and Houston Streets, Dallas, Texas, and its warehouse and storage plant are located at 1917 North Houston Street, Dallas, Texas. It neither owns nor operated any other buildings in Dallas or in any other city.

The present officers are: J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer; and O. V. Campbell, Vice President and Secretary. The Directors are: J. C. Cason, O. V. Campbell and R. S. Truly. The Shareholders of all outstanding Capital Stock are J. C. Cason and O. V. Campbell.

The Corporation acts as an independent agency for a group of thirty-three publishers to warehouse and distribute textbooks to the various schools in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and New Mexico. It has no other business activity other than that afore mentioned. It is not connected in any way with any state or municipal government and operates solely as a private Corporation with a Charter from the State of Texas.

Signed the 22d day of May 1964.

(S) J. C. Cason,

J. C. Cason.

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[Gerry Hemming]

Lee, since I wrote that I came across an article (in a Dallas magazine I think, about said controversy. By that account the windows did a bit of musical chairs. Byrd took west, Mayhew took east, and replaced with a rear window. Controversy not settled I understand. So the real window might have been in place a few years more. I have the photos from assassination showing 'sniper nest from outside. But nothing equally clear of the west window. Anyone?

Gerry, the main thing (apart from the usual enjoyable read I get is that 'Collins' is not a secure system hence not used for such things as launch protocols. Possibly for 'lesser' coded messages.

Anyway, I've been scouring the net to the best of my ability from here to find any info on who owned "The Texas School Book Depository Company"(a privately-owned company charged with fulfilling book orders from schools all over the Southwest, incorporated in 1927).

-All I have is that they left the building in 1970 soon after Byrd sold it.

-The vice president OCHUS V. CAMPBELL witnessed the assassination and was interviewed by the FBI.

-They had a warehouse a few blocks away.

Otherwise, unlike other companies, there seems to be little info available on the net.

"Pat and Tom, this is interesting, however:

...as the buiding was leased to the company called "The Texas School Book Depository" which had warehouses elsewhere as well, what would be more interesting to see is who were the owners of the TSBD (the company, not the building).

(Please refer to post 1 and 3 for some background)"

This is also interesting:

A witness I hadn't heard of before was vice president of the TSBD company. He was standing in front of the TSBD building and heard the shots as coming from elsewhere than the TSBD building.

"FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date 11/24/63

OCHUS V. CAMPBELL, 7120 Twin Lakes Lane, Dallas, Texas, furnished the following information:

He is the Vice President of the Texas School Book Depository Company, with offices located on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building in Dallas.

On November 22, 1963, he was present at his office at the above named building and at about 12:30 PM on that day, he and several other associates were together stationed about 30 feet in front of this building facing away from the building observing the passing motorcade containing President KENNEDY. At this time, he heard a loud report, which at first he considered to be a fire cracker or some object set off by a crank and believed the noise came from away from his building. This illusion, he explained, may have been due to the sound bouncing off the building and other objects in the vicinity. After hearing two more such reports, he realized they must have been rifle shots and since President KENNEDY's car had advanced just out of his vision, he went forward a few feet to observe this automobile, inasmuch as he feared that the rifle shots were in connection with an attempt upon President KENNEDY's life. He then observed the car bearing President KENNEDY to slow down, a near stop, and a motorcycle policeman rushed up. Immediately following this, he observed the car rush away from the scene. He then immediately rushed into his building without having seen anything unusual from any window of his building. Inside he was told shortly thereafter by the warehouse superintendent, Mr. TRULY, that all the employees of the company had been rounded up and one employee, LEE HARVEY OSWALD, was missing.

Mr. CAMPBELL observed a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, bearing New Orleans, Louisiana No. 112 723, and stated that he is sure this is a photograph of the employee named above, but added that he is not personally aquainted with him and has never seen him. He advised that he has always given Mr. TRULY the responsibility for hiring employees for the warehouse.

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on 11/24/63 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 89-43

By Special Agent EDWARD C. HARDIL & PAUL L. SCOTT Date Dictated 11/24/63"

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John:

Davy was calling me from the airline president's office. Incoming calls to us were always via the Georgetown Brit "Telegraphic" office [can't recall the formal name, but it was more like a Western Union than AT&T]. ALL calls [especially from family members, and quiet rare] went to the little office on the west end of the island.

The Brit [employed by BBC & the Telph. company] would be notified by the international operator that a party wanted to speak with John Doe, employed by ______company, at the U.S. Auxiliary Air Force Base, and the point of contact was either Major Phillipovich [The Base Commanding Officer]; or the superintendent of one of the contractors. And since these superintendents [bradford's was John Greene] were required to meet with the Georgetown Telph. pogue immediately after arrival on "The Rock" [and fill out forms]; the telephone/telegraph bloke knew exactly where to take this notification.

In this case, he jumped into his "Mini-Moke" and putt-putted up the hill to the Base, and then went straight to Greene. Greene would then escort him to me, and I would thereupon sign a form showing that I must present myself at his office at such-and-such time [usually 4 hours after the CONUS party called] in order that the Int'l Operator might jolly well ring-up the party in CONUS -- who had previously been advised of at least a four hours delay.

The telephone in Georgetown was not secure, and Davy was telling me that HIS line was not secure; just in case I was using a secure facilty in returning his call, after bypassing Georgetown.

I have to chuckle in remembering when on more than one occasion Collins, Bendix, et al. were NOT "secure" !! [but that is for later next week if anybody is interested ??]

We were working for $3.50 per hour [tax-free], with a guaranteed extra 50 cents added on when we completed the initial phase rebuilding the Air Force Base. [The contract was styled as: "Down-Range Missile Tracking Facility - USAF(A) Air Base, Ascencion Island"]. However, the 50 cents wasn't paid until we got back to CONUS -- it was then wire transferred to our accounts.

Union "scale" for Florida construction workers hovered around $5.00 p/hour [1966] -- and was very good money. $4 [tax-free] turned out as higher than scale.

We worked hard and fast. Should a call come requiring us to "fade" for a few days, no "project" set-back would happen. We worked 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. No overtime pay! But 7 X 14 X $4.00 p/hour [tax-free] = $392.00 take-home pay every week.

[That is about $80K p/annum in todays dollars, and familis were comfortable with that.]

We could "take-a-drag" [weekly set-aside] of only $15 p/week. Ergo nobody wasted money on booze. ALL drinks at the "Volcano Club" [uSAF] were 25 cents. My favorite was "Singapore Slings". After a superb Air Force Mess Hall supper -- retiring to the club, everybody got a 6-pack of beer and then straight to the outdoor theater behind the club.

The "fairy" Dental Officer [uSAF Capt.] was right out of "M.A.S.H."!! Just like Major Frank ["Hot-Lips Hoolihan's lover] -- and a real ass-hole. He was the "fairly-nice-fellow-in- charge" of ordering the movies from Patrick Air Force Base, Florida.

The movies he requested were so bad -- I don't want to remember the titles. I mean, old and bad. They wouldn't dare show these flicks on TV, and there are old & bad ones on every day !!

Now, the reason for the 6-pack of beer. The audience would slowly drink down 2/3rds of a can. Whenever a movie reache that extremely stupid scene; everybody yelled -- then threw their beer cans at the movie screen.

[an empty can meant short range, but with a little left -- at least 30 feet.]

Suddenly the screen looked like a waterfall -- and everybody seated forward got a "beer shower" every 15 minutes or so !!

End of the -- back to the club. I always started with 6 "Singapore Slings". Ready for a second round [hour =/- later]; I would stagger to the bar -- tell the "Zoomie" pogue: "...Pleeeesh gimme siiix more Slingar-pores".."!!

When the dentist [who was also the "Base Health & Safety Officer"] ordered all 300+ construction workers to scrub hands, arms, and faces [at a trough set up in front of the chow-hall -- well, that was almost IT !!

When he applied the order to the Collins, Bendix, and "spooks" -- well, that was the "end-of-the-rope" !!

A "delegation" arrived at our "Ironworkers Shack" -- demanded that I ("moi") do something about this crazy fag dentist !! I asked: "...Why me...who am I...William Holden in 'Stalag 17' or somebody...??""

"Yuup !! -- and we expect you to get on it "toot-sweet"!!

THE "STALAG 17" PLAN:

I got the "boss spook" to go to Major "Flip-a-Bitch" -- brief him about newly arisen "security concerns".

that all base personnel be ready for "shelter--drills. When the WWII air raid siren sounded [both day or night] -- All hands to the shelters. [took four days to re-rig and repair the old siren]

One crew "buddied-up" to the dentist, kissing bum and schmoozing !! What a great dentist, what a credit to the uniform.....etc. the usual bull-crap. Very discreetly they clued him in on WHY the air raid drills.

The "Simbas" -- the Congo -- an attack at any moment. "Hell Captain, you yourself... you've seen those C-130s come back -- spears -- arrows sticking out of the fuselages...those nasty cannibals could hit us any night now...!!" [He had "heard" but not seen]

The next week -- finished digging trenches for "footers" and "slabs" [New mess hall] and right behind the dentist's office -- where he bunked every night. [the trenches were on the average only three feet deep]

A night or so later -- about 2:00 AM -- the air raid siren went off. 5 or 6 guys stood waiting nest to the office -- when he came running out in his "jammies" -- everybody shouted and pointed: "that way Captain, that way !! He never asked about where the shelters might be. The volunteers readily assisted that fine officer -- guiding him to "safe haven" !!

Unfortunately, while confused -- he ran straight for the dark construction area.

Wouldn't you guess, with all of the siren noises, and shouting -- he failed to hear the whispered:

"..Watch out Doc..Watch out...there's holes out there...there's ...Ooops...never mind..TOO LATE..".

Anyway, a leg, one hand -- in casts. Because he couldn't do "Toofies" with one hand -- he was put on a C-130 manifest back to CONUS four days later.

[One thing I never figured it out. Looked at the X-Rays of his hand, couldn't find a fracture. Even when our beer-drinking/movie going "Flight Surgeon" pointed them out to me. But, then what does an ironworker know about medicine and all that stuff ??!!]

That week we received our first batch of "first-run" movies, courtesy of one Howard K. Davis, and the Miami Airline "STEWS".

I do hope that the good Dentist might read this !!

Later,

GPH

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[Greg Parker]

Pat and Tom, this is interesting, however:

...as the buiding was leased to the company called "The Texas School Book Depository" which had warehouses elsewhere as well, what would be more interesting to see is who were the owners of the TSBD (the company, not the building).

(Please refer to post 1 and 3 for some background)

John,

Jack Cason was President, Campbell was VP and Truly was Superintendant. All three were company directors of the TSBD.

The TSBD covered Texas, Oklahoma. Arkansas, Louisiana and New Mexico -- same 5 states covered by 112th MIG.

The article you posted from McAdams' site, you shouldn't be surprised to learn, was authored by a Warrenista named Jerry Organ. His story that the floor laying was due to oil left from previous occupant is without citation, and really makes little sense. Why, if the book cartons were in danger of damage, would they wait almost a year to fix the problem? And if there actually had been oil on the floor, wouldn't the cartons have been getting damaged all along?

Lastly, in testimony, Ruth Paine said she believed Oswald worked at the old warehouse. Why then did fear Oswald was involved when it came over the news that shots were fired from the book depository on Elm St, as she also testified to?

[John Dolva]

Greg :: "John,

Jack Cason was President, Campbell was VP and Truly was Superintendant. All three were company directors of the TSBD.

The TSBD covered Texas, Oklahoma. Arkansas, Louisiana and New Mexico -- same 5 states covered by 112th MIG.

The article you posted from McAdams' site, you shouldn't be surprised to learn, was authored by a Warrenista named Jerry Organ. His story that the floor laying was due to oil left from previous occupant is without citation, and really makes little sense. Why, if the book cartons were in danger of damage, would they wait almost a year to fix the problem? And if there actually had been oil on the floor, wouldn't the cartons have been getting damaged all along?

Lastly, in testimony, Ruth Paine said she believed Oswald worked at the old warehouse. Why then did fear Oswald was involved when it came over the news that shots were fired from the book depository on Elm St, as she also testified to?"

Greg, as a relative newbie, there are many holes in my background. So the surprise is there, as well as a wonder of how important it is. Input by yourself and others on these issues allows other newbies to also sort these things out. BTW what is 112th MIG?

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I'll try to summarise the components from the various sources that connect directly to the main topic : what is the TSBD.

It's a building that derives its name from the main company that occupied it from 1962 through to 1970.

This company, 'The Texas School Book Depository', from a post by Tom :

"I, J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer, of the Texas School Book Depository declare the following statements:

The Texas School Book Depository was organized in 1908 as a sole proprietorship and continued in this manner until 1927 when it was incorporated under the laws of the State of Texas.

The Corporation's offices are located at Elm and Houston Streets, Dallas, Texas, and its warehouse and storage plant are located at 1917 North Houston Street, Dallas, Texas. It neither owns nor operated any other buildings in Dallas or in any other city.

The present officers are: J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer; and O. V. Campbell, Vice President and Secretary. The Directors are: J. C. Cason, O. V. Campbell and R. S. Truly. The Shareholders of all outstanding Capital Stock are J. C. Cason and O. V. Campbell.

The Corporation acts as an independent agency for a group of thirty-three publishers to warehouse and distribute textbooks to the various schools in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and New Mexico. It has no other business activity other than that afore mentioned. It is not connected in any way with any state or municipal government and operates solely as a private Corporation with a Charter from the State of Texas.

Signed the 22d day of May 1964.

(S) J. C. Cason,

J. C. Cason."

This company distributed/s books through states in the south. These books were selected according to guidelines, as have been pointed out by various posts, to an extent aimed at promoting an ideology.

2. Space in the building was apparently partially leased by other entities as well.

Exactly what these other entities were is not clear.

3. The building itself was owned by H.D. Byrd who is a person of interest.

_______________________________

It still seems to me the issue of what the connection between Byrd and 'The Texas School Book Depository Company' (herein referred to as TSBD company) in not answered. A lot is made of the fact that Byrd owned the building.

Oswald, however, was employed by the TSBD company.

I'm suggesting for consideration that if Byrd has no connections to the TSBDcompany then his ownership of the TSBDbuilding may be irrelevant?

[Gerry Hemming]

Greg :: "John,

Jack Cason was President, Campbell was VP and Truly was Superintendant. All three were company directors of the TSBD.

The TSBD covered Texas, Oklahoma. Arkansas, Louisiana and New Mexico -- same 5 states covered by 112th MIG.

The article you posted from McAdams' site, you shouldn't be surprised to learn, was authored by a Warrenista named Jerry Organ. His story that the floor laying was due to oil left from previous occupant is without citation, and really makes little sense. Why, if the book cartons were in danger of damage, would they wait almost a year to fix the problem? And if there actually had been oil on the floor, wouldn't the cartons have been getting damaged all along?

Lastly, in testimony, Ruth Paine said she believed Oswald worked at the old warehouse. Why then did fear Oswald was involved when it came over the news that shots were fired from the book depository on Elm St, as she also testified to?"

Greg, as a relative newbie, there are many holes in my background. So the surprise is there, as well as a wonder of how important it is. Input by yourself and others on these issues allows other newbies to also sort these things out. BTW what is 112th MIG?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'll try to summarise the components from the various sources that connect directly to the main topic : what is the TSBD.

It's a building that derives its name from the main company that occupied it from 1962 through to 1970.

This company, 'The Texas School Book Depository', from a post by Tom :

"I, J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer, of the Texas School Book Depository declare the following statements:

The Texas School Book Depository was organized in 1908 as a sole proprietorship and continued in this manner until 1927 when it was incorporated under the laws of the State of Texas.

The Corporation's offices are located at Elm and Houston Streets, Dallas, Texas, and its warehouse and storage plant are located at 1917 North Houston Street, Dallas, Texas. It neither owns nor operated any other buildings in Dallas or in any other city.

The present officers are: J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer; and O. V. Campbell, Vice President and Secretary. The Directors are: J. C. Cason, O. V. Campbell and R. S. Truly. The Shareholders of all outstanding Capital Stock are J. C. Cason and O. V. Campbell.

The Corporation acts as an independent agency for a group of thirty-three publishers to warehouse and distribute textbooks to the various schools in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and New Mexico. It has no other business activity other than that afore mentioned. It is not connected in any way with any state or municipal government and operates solely as a private Corporation with a Charter from the State of Texas.

Signed the 22d day of May 1964.

(S) J. C. Cason,

J. C. Cason."

This company distributed/s books through states in the south. These books were selected according to guidelines, as have been pointed out by various posts, to an extent aimed at promoting an ideology.

2. Space in the building was apparently partially leased by other entities as well.

Exactly what these other entities were is not clear.

3. The building itself was owned by H.D. Byrd who is a person of interest.

_______________________________

It still seems to me the issue of what the connection between Byrd and 'The Texas School Book Depository Company' (herein referred to as TSBD company) in not answered. A lot is made of the fact that Byrd owned the building.

Oswald, however, was employed by the TSBD company.

I'm suggesting for consideration that if Byrd has no connections to the TSBDcompany then his ownership of the TSBDbuilding may be irrelevant?

________________________________

John, et al.:

A shorter?? set of factoids. A relative of the TSBD "Company" CEO Cason, one Roy Cason -- founded the Tamiami Gun Store in Miami during the 1950s. When JM/WAVE got to cranking up during late 1960, Roy Cason got part of the logistics "contracts" -- to supply the then nascent Brigade 2506, the CIA maritime operations [kept out of the JM/ATE BOP loop. Such entities as the CIA "Tejana II" subchaser, and later the "REX", "LEDA", "STAR", "EXPLORER", "VENUS", etc. series of mother ships involved in MO/ONGOOSE.]

The ammunition, weapons, etc. sales increased dramatically, and Roy had to enlarge the store. While most of the BOP Brigade 2506 & infiltration teams used U.S. Government armory stocks [which were not "sterile" and retained serial numbers with "U.S. Government Property" stamped thereon]; some missions required weapons and equipment that was obviously on the open market -- and thus was "deniable".

Even though the "U.S. Goverment" stamped weapons were also on the public market, they also had a somewhat thinner deniability because: One had to be a member of the Nat'l Rifle Association in order to purchase said M-1 Garands, M-1 Carbines, .45 cal. automatic pistols, etc. !

The ultimate backstop for "plausible Denial" was the phony paperwork created -- which showed that back-tracing of said weapons would lead to other countries having received same under the Mil/Assistance programs -- and lastly; prepared documents showing that said weapons had been stolen on such-and-such date.

During 1983, federal agents from the B.A.T.F. visited me, and stated that they had initiated a still sealed indictment against Roy, his son, and others. They wanted to know if Roy, et al. -- in supplying the nascent Nicaraguan "Contras" -- were a CIA approved operation; and moreover, would they suffer a severe "blowback" against them [and their agency] should they proceed to prosecution ??

I warned them that: Indeed this was a CIA approved operation, but that further proceedings would be permitted to continue through the legal system unabated -- and if not plea bargained down to probation, any conviction would be overturned by the trial court having committed "reversable error"!!

"..How about us folks here in BATF ??" I assured them that they would be promoted, and most likely receive ancillary awards not associated with the case -- NOT to worry, Guys !!

The Cason's were eventually exonnerated, and the BATF agents got their promotions and awards as predicted -- and now that they had something to lose; they knew well enough to keep their mouths shut.

The 112th M.I.G. ["112the Military Intelligence Group"] was an Army Reserve entity, and this is why it covered several states. The state National Guard units are structured likewise, and bolstered by "state compacts" approved by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.

However, and in actuality, the 112th was a C.I.C. entity [Army Counter Intelligence Corps - Col. Boris T. Pash's old outfit]. Moreover, this unit's "Regional Command Headquarters" was not sited within those states, but up in Chicago. The "Chi-Town folks" then reported directly to Magruder's old headquarter at Arlington Hall, Alexandria, Virginia.

The Editor & Publisher of "Soldier of Fortune Magazine" -- Lt. Colonel Robert K. Brown (USAR Retired) was attached to this Chicago HQ -- as a 1st Lieutenant [C.I.C.], when he went to Cuba during 1959, and later "touristed" with us beginning in early 1962.

Later,

GPH

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[Thomas H. Purvis]

Pat and Tom, this is interesting, however:

...as the buiding was leased to the company called "The Texas School Book Depository" which had warehouses elsewhere as well, what would be more interesting to see is who were the owners of the TSBD (the company, not the building).

(Please refer to post 1 and 3 for some background)

John,

Jack Cason was President, Campbell was VP and Truly was Superintendant. All three were company directors of the TSBD.

The TSBD covered Texas, Oklahoma. Arkansas, Louisiana and New Mexico -- same 5 states covered by 112th MIG.

The article you posted from McAdams' site, you shouldn't be surprised to learn, was authored by a Warrenista named Jerry Organ. His story that the floor laying was due to oil left from previous occupant is without citation, and really makes little sense. Why, if the book cartons were in danger of damage, would they wait almost a year to fix the problem? And if there actually had been oil on the floor, wouldn't the cartons have been getting damaged all along?

Lastly, in testimony, Ruth Paine said she believed Oswald worked at the old warehouse. Why then did fear Oswald was involved when it came over the news that shots were fired from the book depository on Elm St, as she also testified to?

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In answer to your question as to "why", there are, not unlike many other aspects, variables which you have either overlooked, or else down there in "Aussie-Land" have no knowledge of.

1. In the "old" days, wooden floors were the "Standard" for these old buildings. Generally made of some hardwood such as Oak.

Since the wood was seldom "cured", let alone "steam cured", not unlike concrete, when it drys, it cracks.

Therefore, immediately after such floorings were placed, they were usually treated with an oil base protective such as linseed oil, tung oil, etc; etc; etc.

This was a common and repeated practice, as although the oil would soak in, next year, it would require another protective application.

Not unlike placing "Thompson's Water Seal" on your outside deck or porch.

Progressively, this oil soaked completely into the wood, replacing the evaporating water which was contained in the grain structure, and not only protected the wood from "cracking" due to drying shrinkage, it usually gave the wood a "stained" look, with the oil and the ultimate dirt/grime/etc which was ground into the oil and penetrated the wood merely from walking on it.

This "oil" application also meant that the wood could be effective "mopped" with a damp mop, without fear of damaging the wood as the oil provided the protection to the wood.

2. Heat creates "expansion"!

3. I must also assume that you have no knowledge or experience in Dallas, TX during one of the occassional 108-degree to 112-degree summers.

Such temperatures cause the oil which is soaked into these old floors, etc; to expand and thereafter force oil to the surface of the wood.

On a good hot day, one can actually run their hands over the wood and get an oily texture on their hands.

Therefore, any piece of "cardboard", such as a cardboard box full of books which was sitting on the floor, would, not unlike a "sponge" thereafter soak up this oil.

Which depending on the heat index for the summer, could result in the bottom of the bottom box becoming an adsorbent, and thereafter absorbing the oil into the cardboard.

4. Which, would progressively become worse, with time.

There is little problem in recognition of old wood flooring which was never treated!---It contains a dried, aged look which will be have cracks all throughout the wood.

Lastly, although I, not unlike many others, have had to work in such heat extremes, it is always better to do it in early winter, (say November) when the heat index inside such a building is not detrimental to physical wellbing.

Tom

Although perhaps not to you, those of us who have a little more experience in such as this, have no problems with the "oil" theory!

Greg :: "John,

Jack Cason was President, Campbell was VP and Truly was Superintendant. All three were company directors of the TSBD.

The TSBD covered Texas, Oklahoma. Arkansas, Louisiana and New Mexico -- same 5 states covered by 112th MIG.

The article you posted from McAdams' site, you shouldn't be surprised to learn, was authored by a Warrenista named Jerry Organ. His story that the floor laying was due to oil left from previous occupant is without citation, and really makes little sense. Why, if the book cartons were in danger of damage, would they wait almost a year to fix the problem? And if there actually had been oil on the floor, wouldn't the cartons have been getting damaged all along?

Lastly, in testimony, Ruth Paine said she believed Oswald worked at the old warehouse. Why then did fear Oswald was involved when it came over the news that shots were fired from the book depository on Elm St, as she also testified to?"

Greg, as a relative newbie, there are many holes in my background. So the surprise is there, as well as a wonder of how important it is. Input by yourself and others on these issues allows other newbies to also sort these things out. BTW what is 112th MIG?

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I'll try to summarise the components from the various sources that connect directly to the main topic : what is the TSBD.

It's a building that derives its name from the main company that occupied it from 1962 through to 1970.

This company, 'The Texas School Book Depository', from a post by Tom :

"I, J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer, of the Texas School Book Depository declare the following statements:

The Texas School Book Depository was organized in 1908 as a sole proprietorship and continued in this manner until 1927 when it was incorporated under the laws of the State of Texas.

The Corporation's offices are located at Elm and Houston Streets, Dallas, Texas, and its warehouse and storage plant are located at 1917 North Houston Street, Dallas, Texas. It neither owns nor operated any other buildings in Dallas or in any other city.

The present officers are: J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer; and O. V. Campbell, Vice President and Secretary. The Directors are: J. C. Cason, O. V. Campbell and R. S. Truly. The Shareholders of all outstanding Capital Stock are J. C. Cason and O. V. Campbell.

The Corporation acts as an independent agency for a group of thirty-three publishers to warehouse and distribute textbooks to the various schools in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and New Mexico. It has no other business activity other than that afore mentioned. It is not connected in any way with any state or municipal government and operates solely as a private Corporation with a Charter from the State of Texas.

Signed the 22d day of May 1964.

(S) J. C. Cason,

J. C. Cason."

This company distributed/s books through states in the south. These books were selected according to guidelines, as have been pointed out by various posts, to an extent aimed at promoting an ideology.

2. Space in the building was apparently partially leased by other entities as well.

Exactly what these other entities were is not clear.

3. The building itself was owned by H.D. Byrd who is a person of interest.

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It still seems to me the issue of what the connection between Byrd and 'The Texas School Book Depository Company' (herein referred to as TSBD company) in not answered. A lot is made of the fact that Byrd owned the building.

Oswald, however, was employed by the TSBD company.

I'm suggesting for consideration that if Byrd has no connections to the TSBDcompany then his ownership of the TSBDbuilding may be irrelevant?

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Exactly what these other entities were is not clear

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Jack Cason of the Texas School Book Depository (three-fourths of which, by the way, is composed of local offices of various publishing houses, all of them equally private),

Actually, it is quite clear!

Needless to say, there were also some "Lawyers" in the building as well.

Tom

Greg :: "John,

Jack Cason was President, Campbell was VP and Truly was Superintendant. All three were company directors of the TSBD.

The TSBD covered Texas, Oklahoma. Arkansas, Louisiana and New Mexico -- same 5 states covered by 112th MIG.

The article you posted from McAdams' site, you shouldn't be surprised to learn, was authored by a Warrenista named Jerry Organ. His story that the floor laying was due to oil left from previous occupant is without citation, and really makes little sense. Why, if the book cartons were in danger of damage, would they wait almost a year to fix the problem? And if there actually had been oil on the floor, wouldn't the cartons have been getting damaged all along?

Lastly, in testimony, Ruth Paine said she believed Oswald worked at the old warehouse. Why then did fear Oswald was involved when it came over the news that shots were fired from the book depository on Elm St, as she also testified to?"

Greg, as a relative newbie, there are many holes in my background. So the surprise is there, as well as a wonder of how important it is. Input by yourself and others on these issues allows other newbies to also sort these things out. BTW what is 112th MIG?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'll try to summarise the components from the various sources that connect directly to the main topic : what is the TSBD.

It's a building that derives its name from the main company that occupied it from 1962 through to 1970.

This company, 'The Texas School Book Depository', from a post by Tom :

"I, J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer, of the Texas School Book Depository declare the following statements:

The Texas School Book Depository was organized in 1908 as a sole proprietorship and continued in this manner until 1927 when it was incorporated under the laws of the State of Texas.

The Corporation's offices are located at Elm and Houston Streets, Dallas, Texas, and its warehouse and storage plant are located at 1917 North Houston Street, Dallas, Texas. It neither owns nor operated any other buildings in Dallas or in any other city.

The present officers are: J. C. Cason, President and Treasurer; and O. V. Campbell, Vice President and Secretary. The Directors are: J. C. Cason, O. V. Campbell and R. S. Truly. The Shareholders of all outstanding Capital Stock are J. C. Cason and O. V. Campbell.

The Corporation acts as an independent agency for a group of thirty-three publishers to warehouse and distribute textbooks to the various schools in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and New Mexico. It has no other business activity other than that afore mentioned. It is not connected in any way with any state or municipal government and operates solely as a private Corporation with a Charter from the State of Texas.

Signed the 22d day of May 1964.

(S) J. C. Cason,

J. C. Cason."

This company distributed/s books through states in the south. These books were selected according to guidelines, as have been pointed out by various posts, to an extent aimed at promoting an ideology.

2. Space in the building was apparently partially leased by other entities as well.

Exactly what these other entities were is not clear.

3. The building itself was owned by H.D. Byrd who is a person of interest.

_______________________________

It still seems to me the issue of what the connection between Byrd and 'The Texas School Book Depository Company' (herein referred to as TSBD company) in not answered. A lot is made of the fact that Byrd owned the building.

Oswald, however, was employed by the TSBD company.

I'm suggesting for consideration that if Byrd has no connections to the TSBDcompany then his ownership of the TSBDbuilding may be irrelevant?

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Other than a few common links, such as the fact that his wife was a member of one of the single most "elite" societies in America, along with Mr. Simms of Phelps/Dunbar/Marks/Claverie/ & Sims, of New Orleans, LA, then it is irrelevant.

Anyone who is chasing D.H.Byrd as a co-conspirator, may as well take weekends off and chase Clay Shaw as well.

About the same!

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Since "inquiring minds" want to know.

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Jack Cason of the Texas School Book Depository (three-fourths of which, by the way, is composed of local offices of various publishing houses, all of them equally private),

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One of which was "McGraw-Hill".

In fact, those who have really looked at ALL known existing photo's, would know the names of several others of the publishing companies, as the names were posted on the TSDB and appeared in the "Original" version of the photo.

Of course, not unlike many other photo's (Altgens, etc;) the "trimmed" versions which most are aware of are not the "Original Source" which one must go to in order to gain knowledge and information.

Tom

P.S. Seem to recall from some of my notes somewhere that McGraw-Hill was a common employer of such persons as "ex"-FBI, or "ex"-CIA association type persons.

Just not worth the time to dig for it.

[Lee Forman]

In fact, those who have really looked at ALL known existing photo's, would know the names of several others of the publishing companies, as the names were posted on the TSDB and appeared in the "Original" version of the photo.

Of course, not unlike many other photo's (Altgens, etc;) the "trimmed" versions which most are aware of are not the "Original Source" which one must go to in order to gain knowledge and information.

Tom

Hi Tom.

Where would one go to get the 'original source' photos?

- lee

[Thomas H. Purvis]

In fact, those who have really looked at ALL known existing photo's, would know the names of several others of the publishing companies, as the names were posted on the TSDB and appeared in the "Original" version of the photo.

Of course, not unlike many other photo's (Altgens, etc;) the "trimmed" versions which most are aware of are not the "Original Source" which one must go to in order to gain knowledge and information.

Tom

Hi Tom.

Where would one go to get the 'original source' photos?

- lee

It would appear that the "teacher" is asking the "student" , considering the wealth of such items which you have.

It has been so long ago since I followed "this trail" that I can not even recall where I got a copy of this photo from, and not unlike most other items, it is operating in "deep cover" in the shed, under disguise as the rest of the junk in there.

I believe (UH, OH !) (for someone with CRS, always a danger) that the original "untrimmed" version is one of those where the Carcano is being carried from the TSDB.

Just can not recall for certain, as it could have also been one of those with the "tramps" in it.

Not unlike other photo's, later versions had been trimmed and deleted this.

One just has to search is all that I can say.

Tom

P.S. Of which you have already done far more than your share.

[John Dolva]

The information goes a long way towards clearing things up. I try to read these posts a

number of times over time as some things don't at first read gel.

The oil in floor issue is not something I have given a great deal of attention to for a number of reasons. Others, in this case, Macadams, Tom, greg etc indicate it is an issue to look at.

I'm still not clear on why it's important. There must be some issues dealt with elsewhere that answers this so some 'search key words' would help.

As well, timber flooring in OZ is traditionally eucalypt (depending of course on where you are), in NSW there is often the cypress. I've renovated and extended an original hand built settlers cottage in outback NSW where the 6' tg is still in good nick. Here in WA the best flooring is original first felled forest jarrah that at 100+ years and is as good as or better than new. Oily surfaces even at 100+ summer temps whether in the hot humid north or the hot dry south has never been encountered by me as a problem. When I was sanding floors on island off the coast of Darwin pre monsoon 'suicide month' (working at 12-14 hr 7 days just cause there was nothing else to do) the sandsheets didn't clog with oils. Many australian timbers have natural preservative. Also in some instances the builder will force an extra tight fit in order to deal with drying. Another consideration is that a bit of a draught is not such a bad thing in a country that gets so hot and often not very cold. (I remember the only instance when I've been asked to use oil was when a violin teacher in Sydney wanted more quiet floor boards.)

(I had actually had thought that the 'oil' referred to could have been a build up in the cracks from slime from the inevitable rotting vegies in a grocery store? A grocer delivery I knew in Sydney had to change vehicles every few years simply because the old one inevitably ended up too much of a stink (there was suspicion the driver who always lodged and got a tender was perhaps not as diligent in cleaning as he could have been) But maybe grocer is something different than in OZ. I understand you call a general store sometimes a drug store?

However I have never been to Texas (the closest is Santa Fe' and Saint Louis) and have no idea of timber/conditions there. So let's for argument sake say that oil was a problem in the TSBD building (Tom's description of the matter sounds reasonable to me).

(* another thing I notice, which I haven't come across before, is how the flooring is laid at an angle (also is that 4" tg?) I'd be interested to know why its laid thus. It looks to me like there might be expansion joints in between the pillars).

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Is that second entrance doorway part of the TSBD company lease?

Edited November 15, 2005 by John Dolva

[Gerry Hemming]

The information goes a long way towards clearing things up. I try to read these posts a

number of times over time as some things don't at first read gel.

The oil in floor issue is not something I have given a great deal of attention to for a number of reasons. Others, in this case, Macadams, Tom, greg etc indicate it is an issue to look at.

I'm still not clear on why it's important. There must be some issues dealt with elsewhere that answers this so some 'search key words' would help.

As well, timber flooring in OZ is traditionally eucalypt (depending of course on where you are), in NSW there is often the cypress. I've renovated and extended an original hand built settlers cottage in outback NSW where the 6' tg is still in good nick. Here in WA the best flooring is original first felled forest jarrah that at 100+ years and is as good as or better than new. Oily surfaces even at 100+ summer temps whether in the hot humid north or the hot dry south has never been encountered by me as a problem. When I was sanding floors on island off the coast of Darwin pre monsoon 'suicide month' (working at 12-14 hr 7 days just cause there was nothing else to do) the sandsheets didn't clog with oils. Many australian timbers have natural preservative. Also in some instances the builder will force an extra tight fit in order to deal with drying. Another consideration is that a bit of a draught is not such a bad thing in a country that gets so hot and often not very cold. (I remember the only instance when I've been asked to use oil was when a violin teacher in Sydney wanted more quiet floor boards.)

(I had actually had thought that the 'oil' referred to could have been a build up in the cracks from slime from the inevitable rotting vegies in a grocery store? A grocer delivery I knew in Sydney had to change vehicles every few years simply because the old one inevitably ended up too much of a stink (there was suspicion the driver who always lodged and got a tender was perhaps not as diligent in cleaning as he could have been) But maybe grocer is something different than in OZ. I understand you call a general store sometimes a drug store?

However I have never been to Texas (the closest is Santa Fe' and Saint Louis) and have no idea of timber/conditions there. So let's for argument sake say that oil was a problem in the TSBD building (Tom's description of the matter sounds reasonable to me).

(* another thing I notice, which I haven't come across before, is how the flooring is laid at an angle (also is that 4" tg?) I'd be interested to know why its laid thus. It looks to me like there might be expansion joints in between the pillars).

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Is that second entrance doorway part of the TSBD company lease?

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"Timber-at-an-Angle" means that the architect opted for the more durable "nautical" method of "timbering" a floor.

All first class "wooden" vessels have "cross-hatched" timber hulls -- which is styled as "Double-Ceiling".

GPH

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[John Dolva]

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Is that second entrance doorway part of the TSBD company lease?

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"Timber-at-an-Angle" means that the architect opted for the more durable "nautical" method of "timbering" a floor.

All first class "wooden" vessels have "cross-hatched" timber hulls -- which is styled as "Double-Ceiling".

GPH

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(* this 'second entrance' appears to be the entrance to the covered area no longer in existence)

Ta muchly Gerry. Everything helps. The construction with dimensions go some way to constructiong a virtual 'nest' within which to examine the available space/conditions. It seems at this stage that the 'nest' as presented to the public through the commission (omissions?) has been sanitized in order to promote the official version. I'm trying to get independent cofirmations such as being presented by people as yourself in order to examine this issue.

Tom, the company backgrounds are read with gratitude.

Trying to stay on track with topic (which is spawning multiple avenues) a look at Truly's testimony explains a bit more:

"Mr. Truly.

I went to work for the Texas School Book Depository in July 1934.

Mr. Belin.

And have you been employed by the Texas School Book Depository since that date, since July 1934?

Mr. Truly.

That is right.

(At this point, Mr. Dulles entered the hearing room.)

Mr. Belin.

In what capacity have you worked for that company?

Mr. Truly.

First, when I first went to work for this company, I had charge of the miscellaneous order department, which is actually a one-man operation. I filled orders for books other than state-adopted textbooks.

...

I worked on through that time until the present time. During the war I worked in the North American plant at Arlington.

..., for around 14 months, at night. But I continued to hold my job.

...., I would go down to work 2, 3, 4 hours a day. Shortly after that, I took charge of all the shipping.

..., I have been superintendent of the operation since some time in the late 1944.

... I am a director--I am a member of the board of directors of the Texas School Book Depository.

.... It is a private corporation.

........

The main publisher was Scott, Foresman and Co.

Now, they have quite a lot of small orders, all through the year. They are one of our biggest publishers. So it kept him busy filling mostly their orders, plus some of the smaller publishers. Possibly he filled some of Gregg Publishing Go. and others. But when he would run out of Scott, Foreman orders, he would pick up other orders that might have had several publishers' books on the same order.

Incidentally, not only Scott, Foresman orders were billed separately. There would be other publishers' orders on the same invoice.

Mr. Belin.

Well, perhaps you might explain to the Commission just what exactly the nature of your business is, and how an employee would go about filling orders.

Mr. Truly.

We are agents for a number of publishers. We furnish offices for those who desire them in Texas. And our business is shipping, inventorying, collecting, doing all the bookkeeping work for the various publishers' books.

Now, we have most of the publishers' stock is lined up alphabetically by titles or by stock numbers or code numbers, whichever determines that.

And the location of the books each publisher's books are to themselves. They are not mixed in with several other publishers on the various floors.

On the first floor we have bin stock, shelf stock, we fill a lot of small orders from.

And then in the basement the same.

The fifth and the sixth floor, and part of the seventh floor is overflow stock. It is reserve stock.

But the boys have to go to those floors all during the day to pick up stock and bring it to the first floor in order to process and complete the orders for the checker.

Mr. Dulles.

What would reserve stock mean?

Mr. Truly.

Actually it is not reserve stock--it is not surplus either. It is part of our stock. But we can carry a limited. amount only on the first floor where we do our shipping. So they may get an order for a hundred copies of a certain book and there may only be 10 or 15 or 20 on the shelf on the first floor. They will have to go upstairs and get a carton or two. And they replenish the first floor stock from that.

And many of our freight orders are filled entirely from our reserve stock. And they bring them to the first floor. All orders reach the first floor, where they are checked and processed and packed and shipped from that floor."

[Tim Gratz]

Now, we all know that "TSBD" stands for:

THE SINGLE BULLET DECEPTION.

Ron ought to love that!

[Robert Howard]

I thought the Forum Members should see a related post, which I find fascinating posted by Greg Parker

concerning Joe Molina, - [TSBD worker on 11/22/63] who had some pretty interesting ties to the far right wing in Dallas.

Under "Joe Molina's connection to Gun-Runners"

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...1097&hl=crozier

By the way, please respond if you are familiar with these

1963 Dallas Phone Numbers.

LA 6-3844

RI 8-6141