John Simkin Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 Just to tell you my own personal experience with Mack, as soon as I started posting on three forums he pelted me with email "correcting" my posts. I saw Wim's thread on Mack at his site so I was on guard. I asked Mack for evidence of his first allegation to me, was informed that I'd have to travel to the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas to see it, and that was all I needed to know. I've since received a few emails from him "correcting" my posts but I ignore them. He clearly patrols multiple forums for newbies that might be guillible. Since you've referenced this situation, I for one would be very interested to know exactly what your posts detailed which prompted Gary Mack to respond to you. Do you mind sharing what your post stated, how he corrected you, and then what his subsequent allegations were? I realize this could all have happened long ago and it's understandable if you no longer have the info. Likewise if you'd rather not share the substance of the encounter. I'll supply that info Mark. Normally I wouldn't post a private email without permission, but in this case it's someone I mistrust repeatedly sending me unsolicited and unwanted email. I assume he does this with many people so it might as well be out in the open. This is gonna be a long thread though.================================ ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's post 1 he emailed me about, from jfklancer: ----------------------------------------------------------- Myra Bronstein Thu Oct-26-06 06:08 PM Member since Oct 20th 2006 95 posts Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" In response to In response to 3 >... >Another lapse was that DPD Homicide Captain Fritz testified >to the WC that someone told him outside his office in the >hallway that Oswald had a room in Oak Cliff and gave him the >address. This was while Oswald had just been taken to Fritz's >office. It was later learned that this address information did >not come from Oswald or the arresting officers. There was no >effort to learn how the source knew where Oswald had a room. >... > >Regards, Charles Captain Fritz was a wee bit of a xxxx. "In his 1975 book Forgive My Grief Vol. III, author Penn Jones wrote, "Roger Craig was a great American." When Jones wrote those words, Craig, a former Deputy in the Dallas County Sheriff's Department, had recently died by his own hand. It was Jones' contention that "...the treatment Craig received after John F. Kennedy was assassinated...caused his death." Roger Dean Craig was an important witness to the JFK assassination, and his testimony is highly indicative of conspiracy. By now his story has been told many times by many different writers. But it appears there are those still attempting to smear Roger Craig's name and discount what he reported seeing on November 22, 1963. ... Craig heard an arrest had been made in connection with the shooting of Officer J.D. Tippit. As he told the Warren Commission, "I kept thinking about this subject that had run and got in the car. So, I called Captain Fritz' office and talked to one of his officers and--uh--told him what I had saw and give him a description of the man, asked him how it fit the man they had picked up as a suspect. And--uh--they asked me to come up and look at him at Captain Fritz's office." Craig took one look at the Tippit shooting suspect and said it was the same man he had seen flee the TSBD. That suspect, of course, was Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. Craig. Captain Fritz then asked him about the--uh--he said, "What about this station wagon?" And the suspect interrupted him and said, "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine"--I believe is what he said. "Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it." And--uh--Captain Fritz then told him, as close as I can remember, that "All we're trying to do is find out what happened, and this man saw you leave from the scene." And the suspect again interrupted Captain Fritz and said, "I told you people I did." And--uh--yeah--then, he said--then he continued and he said, "Everybody will know who I am now."<5> ... Unfortunately for Roger Craig, Captain Fritz said the incident in his office never happened. Mr. Ball. Did ever come into your office and talk to you in the presence of Oswald? Mr. Fritz. In the presence of Oswald? Mr. Ball. Yes. Mr. Fritz. No, sir; I am sure he did not." http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_i...sue/rcraig.html A photograph turned up later showing Craig in Fritz's office when Oswald was there, proving that Fritz had lied. I think the photo is shown in "On the Trail of the Assassins," by Jim Garrison. ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's the thread with his first email to me and my replies: ----------------------------------------------------------- #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" gmack@jfk.org to me More options Oct 26 Myra, The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. Gary Mack Reply Forward Invite gmack@jfk.org to Gmail myra bronstein to gmack More options Oct 26 Thanks Gary. Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Myra, > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. > > Gary Mack > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 26 -----Original Message----- From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM To: Gary Mack Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" Thanks Gary. Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? GM: Yes. Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA acoustics evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald pulled the trigger. I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do with it what you want. Gary Mack - Show quoted text - Myra On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Myra, > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. > > Gary Mack > Reply Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 Case Closed then. You can spare me the disinformation in the future. I'll let you get back to your jobs. Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM > To: Gary Mack > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > Thanks Gary. > > Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth > Floor Museum in Dallas? > > GM: Yes. > > > Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered > President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? > > GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA acoustics > evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald pulled the > trigger. > > > I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer > forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? > > GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to > handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some > information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do > with it what you want. > > Gary Mack > > > Myra > > > On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > > Myra, > > > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer > Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still > survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by > that picture. > > > > Gary Mack > > > > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 26 Which disinformation would that be? -----Original Message----- From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] - Show quoted text - Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:51 PM To: Gary Mack Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" Case Closed then. You can spare me the disinformation in the future. I'll let you get back to your jobs. Myra On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM > To: Gary Mack > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > Thanks Gary. > > Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the > Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? > > GM: Yes. > > > Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered > President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? > > GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA > acoustics evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald > pulled the trigger. > > > I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer > forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? > > GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to > handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some > information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do > with it what you want. > > Gary Mack > > > Myra > > > On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > > Myra, > > > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer > Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still > survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed > > by > that picture. > > > > Gary Mack > > > > Reply Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > Which disinformation would that be? "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. ... The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture." I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? Reply Forward Gary Mack to me, Gary More options Oct 26 Of course I have evidence - that's why I wrote what I did. As you may already know, all Friday pictures of Oswald show him wearing the dark shirt he was arrested in; after the midnight press conference, cops took the shirt, so later Saturday pictures show him wearing only a t-shirt. The strip shows Oswald in one or two frames wearing just the t-shirt. One of the other frames shows Marina arriving at Fritz' office, and she didn't go there until Saturday afternoon around 1. The Craig photo is also on that same strip and, while he was inside the Homicide and Robbery Bureau office, the picture cannot be used to place him IN Fritz' office. Fritz' small room was one of several inside that office. The office can be seen behind Craig - it's the room with the Venetian blinds rolled down. How do I know all this? The photographer's widow loaned some contact sheets to The Sixth Floor Museum for reference and that's what I studied. No researchers have ever seen that material, so that's why I took the time to let you know about it. Gary Mack ----- Original Message ----- From: myra bronstein To: Gary Mack Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > Which disinformation would that be? "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. ... The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture." I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? Reply Reply to all Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 Well that's helpful Gary. Thank you. I should have been more precise though. Do you have evidence that you can share so that I can see it with my own eyes and draw my own conclusions? That would be extremely helpful. If it's a demonstrable fact that the picture was taken on Saturday then I was unknowingly spreading disinformation, which I don't want to do. Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <gmackjfk@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Of course I have evidence - that's why I wrote what I did. > > As you may already know, all Friday pictures of Oswald show him wearing the > dark shirt he was arrested in; after the midnight press conference, cops > took the shirt, so later Saturday pictures show him wearing only a t-shirt. > > The strip shows Oswald in one or two frames wearing just the t-shirt. One > of the other frames shows Marina arriving at Fritz' office, and she didn't > go there until Saturday afternoon around 1. > > The Craig photo is also on that same strip and, while he was inside the > Homicide and Robbery Bureau office, the picture cannot be used to place him > IN Fritz' office. Fritz' small room was one of several inside that office. > The office can be seen behind Craig - it's the room with the Venetian blinds > rolled down. > > How do I know all this? The photographer's widow loaned some contact sheets > to The Sixth Floor Museum for reference and that's what I studied. No > researchers have ever seen that material, so that's why I took the time to > let you know about it. > > Gary Mack > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: myra bronstein > To: Gary Mack > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > > On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Which disinformation would that be? > > "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. > ... > The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is > unquestionably a Saturday picture." > > I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on > Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? > > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 27 Sorry, that material was returned long ago. I may have a photo copy of the sheets, but since the Museum doesn't own the images, I can't make copies for others. But I can certainly show them to anyone who stops by. It's interesting to me that the photo has been used since at least 1976 as "proof" that Craig was in Fritz' office. And yet either the proponents of the claim either didn't bother to learn WHEN the picture was taken or purposely misrepresented it's actual date. Things like that are what made me realize that I needed to check out everything, and to look at all sides of the various issues. Here's an example. Many books talk about the scope of Oswald's rifle being mounted to the side and couldn't be aligned accurately. But the same books usually don't mention that, at those distances, the scope isn't necessary and would, in fact, slow down the shooter. So what kind of people/books misrepresent such things? The only answer I can figure out is they are either dishonest or ignorant about the details. Gary Mack ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's his email to me which I ignored: ----------------------------------------------------------- #52160, "RE: FBI Security in Dealey Plaza" gmack@jfk.org to me More options Oct 29 Myra, where do you get such bad information? Rybka wasn't assigned to red in the SS car, he was supposed to have stayed at Love Field, and he did. If you'll look at a clear version of the video, not that awful kinescope from YouTube, you'll see that he was smiling. His gesture was one of humor because he was left behind....as planned. Gary Mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 Just to tell you my own personal experience with Mack, as soon as I started posting on three forums he pelted me with email "correcting" my posts. I saw Wim's thread on Mack at his site so I was on guard. I asked Mack for evidence of his first allegation to me, was informed that I'd have to travel to the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas to see it, and that was all I needed to know. I've since received a few emails from him "correcting" my posts but I ignore them. He clearly patrols multiple forums for newbies that might be guillible. Since you've referenced this situation, I for one would be very interested to know exactly what your posts detailed which prompted Gary Mack to respond to you. Do you mind sharing what your post stated, how he corrected you, and then what his subsequent allegations were? I realize this could all have happened long ago and it's understandable if you no longer have the info. Likewise if you'd rather not share the substance of the encounter. I'll supply that info Mark. Normally I wouldn't post a private email without permission, but in this case it's someone I mistrust repeatedly sending me unsolicited and unwanted email. I assume he does this with many people so it might as well be out in the open. This is gonna be a long thread though.================================ ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's post 1 he emailed me about, from jfklancer: ----------------------------------------------------------- Myra Bronstein Thu Oct-26-06 06:08 PM Member since Oct 20th 2006 95 posts Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" In response to In response to 3 >... >Another lapse was that DPD Homicide Captain Fritz testified >to the WC that someone told him outside his office in the >hallway that Oswald had a room in Oak Cliff and gave him the >address. This was while Oswald had just been taken to Fritz's >office. It was later learned that this address information did >not come from Oswald or the arresting officers. There was no >effort to learn how the source knew where Oswald had a room. >... > >Regards, Charles Captain Fritz was a wee bit of a xxxx. "In his 1975 book Forgive My Grief Vol. III, author Penn Jones wrote, "Roger Craig was a great American." When Jones wrote those words, Craig, a former Deputy in the Dallas County Sheriff's Department, had recently died by his own hand. It was Jones' contention that "...the treatment Craig received after John F. Kennedy was assassinated...caused his death." Roger Dean Craig was an important witness to the JFK assassination, and his testimony is highly indicative of conspiracy. By now his story has been told many times by many different writers. But it appears there are those still attempting to smear Roger Craig's name and discount what he reported seeing on November 22, 1963. ... Craig heard an arrest had been made in connection with the shooting of Officer J.D. Tippit. As he told the Warren Commission, "I kept thinking about this subject that had run and got in the car. So, I called Captain Fritz' office and talked to one of his officers and--uh--told him what I had saw and give him a description of the man, asked him how it fit the man they had picked up as a suspect. And--uh--they asked me to come up and look at him at Captain Fritz's office." Craig took one look at the Tippit shooting suspect and said it was the same man he had seen flee the TSBD. That suspect, of course, was Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. Craig. Captain Fritz then asked him about the--uh--he said, "What about this station wagon?" And the suspect interrupted him and said, "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine"--I believe is what he said. "Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it." And--uh--Captain Fritz then told him, as close as I can remember, that "All we're trying to do is find out what happened, and this man saw you leave from the scene." And the suspect again interrupted Captain Fritz and said, "I told you people I did." And--uh--yeah--then, he said--then he continued and he said, "Everybody will know who I am now."<5> ... Unfortunately for Roger Craig, Captain Fritz said the incident in his office never happened. Mr. Ball. Did ever come into your office and talk to you in the presence of Oswald? Mr. Fritz. In the presence of Oswald? Mr. Ball. Yes. Mr. Fritz. No, sir; I am sure he did not." http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_i...sue/rcraig.html A photograph turned up later showing Craig in Fritz's office when Oswald was there, proving that Fritz had lied. I think the photo is shown in "On the Trail of the Assassins," by Jim Garrison. ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's the thread with his first email to me and my replies: ----------------------------------------------------------- #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" gmack@jfk.org to me More options Oct 26 Myra, The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. Gary Mack Reply Forward Invite gmack@jfk.org to Gmail myra bronstein to gmack More options Oct 26 Thanks Gary. Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Myra, > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. > > Gary Mack > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 26 -----Original Message----- From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM To: Gary Mack Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" Thanks Gary. Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? GM: Yes. Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA acoustics evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald pulled the trigger. I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do with it what you want. Gary Mack - Show quoted text - Myra On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Myra, > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. > > Gary Mack > Reply Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 Case Closed then. You can spare me the disinformation in the future. I'll let you get back to your jobs. Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM > To: Gary Mack > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > Thanks Gary. > > Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth > Floor Museum in Dallas? > > GM: Yes. > > > Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered > President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? > > GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA acoustics > evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald pulled the > trigger. > > > I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer > forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? > > GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to > handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some > information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do > with it what you want. > > Gary Mack > > > Myra > > > On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > > Myra, > > > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer > Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still > survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by > that picture. > > > > Gary Mack > > > > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 26 Which disinformation would that be? -----Original Message----- From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] - Show quoted text - Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:51 PM To: Gary Mack Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" Case Closed then. You can spare me the disinformation in the future. I'll let you get back to your jobs. Myra On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM > To: Gary Mack > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > Thanks Gary. > > Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the > Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? > > GM: Yes. > > > Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered > President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? > > GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA > acoustics evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald > pulled the trigger. > > > I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer > forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? > > GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to > handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some > information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do > with it what you want. > > Gary Mack > > > Myra > > > On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > > Myra, > > > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer > Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still > survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed > > by > that picture. > > > > Gary Mack > > > > Reply Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > Which disinformation would that be? "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. ... The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture." I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? Reply Forward Gary Mack to me, Gary More options Oct 26 Of course I have evidence - that's why I wrote what I did. As you may already know, all Friday pictures of Oswald show him wearing the dark shirt he was arrested in; after the midnight press conference, cops took the shirt, so later Saturday pictures show him wearing only a t-shirt. The strip shows Oswald in one or two frames wearing just the t-shirt. One of the other frames shows Marina arriving at Fritz' office, and she didn't go there until Saturday afternoon around 1. The Craig photo is also on that same strip and, while he was inside the Homicide and Robbery Bureau office, the picture cannot be used to place him IN Fritz' office. Fritz' small room was one of several inside that office. The office can be seen behind Craig - it's the room with the Venetian blinds rolled down. How do I know all this? The photographer's widow loaned some contact sheets to The Sixth Floor Museum for reference and that's what I studied. No researchers have ever seen that material, so that's why I took the time to let you know about it. Gary Mack ----- Original Message ----- From: myra bronstein To: Gary Mack Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > Which disinformation would that be? "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. ... The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture." I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? Reply Reply to all Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 Well that's helpful Gary. Thank you. I should have been more precise though. Do you have evidence that you can share so that I can see it with my own eyes and draw my own conclusions? That would be extremely helpful. If it's a demonstrable fact that the picture was taken on Saturday then I was unknowingly spreading disinformation, which I don't want to do. Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <gmackjfk@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Of course I have evidence - that's why I wrote what I did. > > As you may already know, all Friday pictures of Oswald show him wearing the > dark shirt he was arrested in; after the midnight press conference, cops > took the shirt, so later Saturday pictures show him wearing only a t-shirt. > > The strip shows Oswald in one or two frames wearing just the t-shirt. One > of the other frames shows Marina arriving at Fritz' office, and she didn't > go there until Saturday afternoon around 1. > > The Craig photo is also on that same strip and, while he was inside the > Homicide and Robbery Bureau office, the picture cannot be used to place him > IN Fritz' office. Fritz' small room was one of several inside that office. > The office can be seen behind Craig - it's the room with the Venetian blinds > rolled down. > > How do I know all this? The photographer's widow loaned some contact sheets > to The Sixth Floor Museum for reference and that's what I studied. No > researchers have ever seen that material, so that's why I took the time to > let you know about it. > > Gary Mack > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: myra bronstein > To: Gary Mack > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > > On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Which disinformation would that be? > > "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. > ... > The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is > unquestionably a Saturday picture." > > I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on > Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? > > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 27 Sorry, that material was returned long ago. I may have a photo copy of the sheets, but since the Museum doesn't own the images, I can't make copies for others. But I can certainly show them to anyone who stops by. It's interesting to me that the photo has been used since at least 1976 as "proof" that Craig was in Fritz' office. And yet either the proponents of the claim either didn't bother to learn WHEN the picture was taken or purposely misrepresented it's actual date. Things like that are what made me realize that I needed to check out everything, and to look at all sides of the various issues. Here's an example. Many books talk about the scope of Oswald's rifle being mounted to the side and couldn't be aligned accurately. But the same books usually don't mention that, at those distances, the scope isn't necessary and would, in fact, slow down the shooter. So what kind of people/books misrepresent such things? The only answer I can figure out is they are either dishonest or ignorant about the details. Gary Mack ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's his email to me which I ignored: ----------------------------------------------------------- #52160, "RE: FBI Security in Dealey Plaza" gmack@jfk.org to me More options Oct 29 Myra, where do you get such bad information? Rybka wasn't assigned to red in the SS car, he was supposed to have stayed at Love Field, and he did. If you'll look at a clear version of the video, not that awful kinescope from YouTube, you'll see that he was smiling. His gesture was one of humor because he was left behind....as planned. Gary Mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Myra, you need not be worried about Gary being a disinformationist. He has his own beliefs but is sincere. A year or so ago he took questions online on behalf of the Discovery Channel, and slapped down Posnerites as rapidly as he slapped down conspiracists. As the Discovery Channel has taken a decidedly LN slant, there was no way he would have done this if it wasn't an honest expression of his beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Myra, you need not be worried about Gary being a disinformationist. He has his own beliefs but is sincere. A year or so ago he took questions online on behalf of the Discovery Channel, and slapped down Posnerites as rapidly as he slapped down conspiracists. As the Discovery Channel has taken a decidedly LN slant, there was no way he would have done this if it wasn't an honest expression of his beliefs. Pat, What makes you say "the Discovery Channel has taken a decidedly LN slant"? Did they do a show on the assassination? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter McGuire Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Myra, you need not be worried about Gary being a disinformationist. He has his own beliefs but is sincere. A year or so ago he took questions online on behalf of the Discovery Channel, and slapped down Posnerites as rapidly as he slapped down conspiracists. As the Discovery Channel has taken a decidedly LN slant, there was no way he would have done this if it wasn't an honest expression of his beliefs. Pat, What makes you say "the Discovery Channel has taken a decidedly LN slant"? Did they do a show on the assassination? BK Yes, there was one playing this summer. Awful stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Post moved from http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=8401&st=15 to keep threads on topic: =================================================================== Just to tell you my own personal experience with Mack, as soon as I started posting on three forums he pelted me with email "correcting" my posts. I saw Wim's thread on Mack at his site so I was on guard. I asked Mack for evidence of his first allegation to me, was informed that I'd have to travel to the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas to see it, and that was all I needed to know. I've since received a few emails from him "correcting" my posts but I ignore them. He clearly patrols multiple forums for newbies that might be guillible. Since you've referenced this situation, I for one would be very interested to know exactly what your posts detailed which prompted Gary Mack to respond to you. Do you mind sharing what your post stated, how he corrected you, and then what his subsequent allegations were? I realize this could all have happened long ago and it's understandable if you no longer have the info. Likewise if you'd rather not share the substance of the encounter. I'll supply that info Mark. Normally I wouldn't post a private email without permission, but in this case it's someone I mistrust repeatedly sending me unsolicited and unwanted email. I assume he does this with many people so it might as well be out in the open. This is gonna be a long thread though. ================================ ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's post 1 he emailed me about, from jfklancer: ----------------------------------------------------------- Myra Bronstein Thu Oct-26-06 06:08 PM Member since Oct 20th 2006 95 posts Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" In response to In response to 3 >... >Another lapse was that DPD Homicide Captain Fritz testified >to the WC that someone told him outside his office in the >hallway that Oswald had a room in Oak Cliff and gave him the >address. This was while Oswald had just been taken to Fritz's >office. It was later learned that this address information did >not come from Oswald or the arresting officers. There was no >effort to learn how the source knew where Oswald had a room. >... > >Regards, Charles Captain Fritz was a wee bit of a xxxx. "In his 1975 book Forgive My Grief Vol. III, author Penn Jones wrote, "Roger Craig was a great American." When Jones wrote those words, Craig, a former Deputy in the Dallas County Sheriff's Department, had recently died by his own hand. It was Jones' contention that "...the treatment Craig received after John F. Kennedy was assassinated...caused his death." Roger Dean Craig was an important witness to the JFK assassination, and his testimony is highly indicative of conspiracy. By now his story has been told many times by many different writers. But it appears there are those still attempting to smear Roger Craig's name and discount what he reported seeing on November 22, 1963. ... Craig heard an arrest had been made in connection with the shooting of Officer J.D. Tippit. As he told the Warren Commission, "I kept thinking about this subject that had run and got in the car. So, I called Captain Fritz' office and talked to one of his officers and--uh--told him what I had saw and give him a description of the man, asked him how it fit the man they had picked up as a suspect. And--uh--they asked me to come up and look at him at Captain Fritz's office." Craig took one look at the Tippit shooting suspect and said it was the same man he had seen flee the TSBD. That suspect, of course, was Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. Craig. Captain Fritz then asked him about the--uh--he said, "What about this station wagon?" And the suspect interrupted him and said, "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine"--I believe is what he said. "Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it." And--uh--Captain Fritz then told him, as close as I can remember, that "All we're trying to do is find out what happened, and this man saw you leave from the scene." And the suspect again interrupted Captain Fritz and said, "I told you people I did." And--uh--yeah--then, he said--then he continued and he said, "Everybody will know who I am now."<5> ... Unfortunately for Roger Craig, Captain Fritz said the incident in his office never happened. Mr. Ball. Did ever come into your office and talk to you in the presence of Oswald? Mr. Fritz. In the presence of Oswald? Mr. Ball. Yes. Mr. Fritz. No, sir; I am sure he did not." http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_i...sue/rcraig.html A photograph turned up later showing Craig in Fritz's office when Oswald was there, proving that Fritz had lied. I think the photo is shown in "On the Trail of the Assassins," by Jim Garrison. ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's the thread with his first email to me and my replies: ----------------------------------------------------------- #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" gmack@jfk.org to me More options Oct 26 Myra, The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. Gary Mack Reply Forward Invite gmack@jfk.org to Gmail myra bronstein to gmack More options Oct 26 Thanks Gary. Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Myra, > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. > > Gary Mack > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 26 -----Original Message----- From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM To: Gary Mack Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" Thanks Gary. Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? GM: Yes. Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA acoustics evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald pulled the trigger. I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do with it what you want. Gary Mack - Show quoted text - Myra On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Myra, > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by that picture. > > Gary Mack > Reply Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 Case Closed then. You can spare me the disinformation in the future. I'll let you get back to your jobs. Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM > To: Gary Mack > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > Thanks Gary. > > Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the Sixth > Floor Museum in Dallas? > > GM: Yes. > > > Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered > President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? > > GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA acoustics > evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald pulled the > trigger. > > > I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer > forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? > > GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to > handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some > information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do > with it what you want. > > Gary Mack > > > Myra > > > On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > > Myra, > > > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer > Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still > survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed by > that picture. > > > > Gary Mack > > > > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 26 Which disinformation would that be? -----Original Message----- From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] - Show quoted text - Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:51 PM To: Gary Mack Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" Case Closed then. You can spare me the disinformation in the future. I'll let you get back to your jobs. Myra On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: myra bronstein [mailto:myra.bronstein@###] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:15 PM > To: Gary Mack > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > Thanks Gary. > > Just to be sure I know who I'm talking to, are you curator of the > Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas? > > GM: Yes. > > > Are you personally of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered > President Kennedy, and had no accomplices? > > GM: Everyone who knows me knows I personally believe the HSCA > acoustics evidence of two gunmen. All known hard evidence says Oswald > pulled the trigger. > > > I'm curious, how come you didn't post your opinion in the JFK Lancer > forum where the discussion is taking place in addition to emailing me? > > GM: I don't post on newsgroups for there isn't enough spare time to > handle the inquiries and nut cases that result. I gave you some > information that you otherwise would have had no way of knowing. Do > with it what you want. > > Gary Mack > > > Myra > > > On 10/26/06, gmack@jfk.org <gmack@jfk.org> wrote: > > > > Myra, > > > > The photo in question was shot by Dallas Morning News photographer > Jack Beers and it was taken on Saturday. The negative strip still > survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture. > > > > So Fritz wasn't lying after all. Craig's story cannot be confirmed > > by > that picture. > > > > Gary Mack > > > > Reply Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > Which disinformation would that be? "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. ... The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture." I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? Reply Forward Gary Mack to me, Gary More options Oct 26 Of course I have evidence - that's why I wrote what I did. As you may already know, all Friday pictures of Oswald show him wearing the dark shirt he was arrested in; after the midnight press conference, cops took the shirt, so later Saturday pictures show him wearing only a t-shirt. The strip shows Oswald in one or two frames wearing just the t-shirt. One of the other frames shows Marina arriving at Fritz' office, and she didn't go there until Saturday afternoon around 1. The Craig photo is also on that same strip and, while he was inside the Homicide and Robbery Bureau office, the picture cannot be used to place him IN Fritz' office. Fritz' small room was one of several inside that office. The office can be seen behind Craig - it's the room with the Venetian blinds rolled down. How do I know all this? The photographer's widow loaned some contact sheets to The Sixth Floor Museum for reference and that's what I studied. No researchers have ever seen that material, so that's why I took the time to let you know about it. Gary Mack ----- Original Message ----- From: myra bronstein To: Gary Mack Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > Which disinformation would that be? "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. ... The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is unquestionably a Saturday picture." I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? Reply Reply to all Forward Invite Gary to Gmail myra bronstein to Gary More options Oct 26 Well that's helpful Gary. Thank you. I should have been more precise though. Do you have evidence that you can share so that I can see it with my own eyes and draw my own conclusions? That would be extremely helpful. If it's a demonstrable fact that the picture was taken on Saturday then I was unknowingly spreading disinformation, which I don't want to do. Myra - Show quoted text - On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <gmackjfk@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Of course I have evidence - that's why I wrote what I did. > > As you may already know, all Friday pictures of Oswald show him wearing the > dark shirt he was arrested in; after the midnight press conference, cops > took the shirt, so later Saturday pictures show him wearing only a t-shirt. > > The strip shows Oswald in one or two frames wearing just the t-shirt. One > of the other frames shows Marina arriving at Fritz' office, and she didn't > go there until Saturday afternoon around 1. > > The Craig photo is also on that same strip and, while he was inside the > Homicide and Robbery Bureau office, the picture cannot be used to place him > IN Fritz' office. Fritz' small room was one of several inside that office. > The office can be seen behind Craig - it's the room with the Venetian blinds > rolled down. > > How do I know all this? The photographer's widow loaned some contact sheets > to The Sixth Floor Museum for reference and that's what I studied. No > researchers have ever seen that material, so that's why I took the time to > let you know about it. > > Gary Mack > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: myra bronstein > To: Gary Mack > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: #52042, "RE: Dallas PD - In on a Conspiracy?" > > > On 10/26/06, Gary Mack <GMack@jfk.org> wrote: > > Which disinformation would that be? > > "The photo in question was shot...on Saturday. > ... > The negative strip still survives, I have seen it, and it is > unquestionably a Saturday picture." > > I don't suppose you have evidence that the picture was taken on > Saturday (presumably Nov 23, 1963)? > > Reply Forward Gary Mack to me More options Oct 27 Sorry, that material was returned long ago. I may have a photo copy of the sheets, but since the Museum doesn't own the images, I can't make copies for others. But I can certainly show them to anyone who stops by. It's interesting to me that the photo has been used since at least 1976 as "proof" that Craig was in Fritz' office. And yet either the proponents of the claim either didn't bother to learn WHEN the picture was taken or purposely misrepresented it's actual date. Things like that are what made me realize that I needed to check out everything, and to look at all sides of the various issues. Here's an example. Many books talk about the scope of Oswald's rifle being mounted to the side and couldn't be aligned accurately. But the same books usually don't mention that, at those distances, the scope isn't necessary and would, in fact, slow down the shooter. So what kind of people/books misrepresent such things? The only answer I can figure out is they are either dishonest or ignorant about the details. Gary Mack ----------------------------------------------------------- Here's his email to me which I ignored: ----------------------------------------------------------- #52160, "RE: FBI Security in Dealey Plaza" gmack@jfk.org to me More options Oct 29 Myra, where do you get such bad information? Rybka wasn't assigned to red in the SS car, he was supposed to have stayed at Love Field, and he did. If you'll look at a clear version of the video, not that awful kinescope from YouTube, you'll see that he was smiling. His gesture was one of humor because he was left behind....as planned. Gary Mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 (edited) Dupe. Edited November 6, 2006 by Myra Bronstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Myra, you need not be worried about Gary being a disinformationist. He has his own beliefs but is sincere. A year or so ago he took questions online on behalf of the Discovery Channel, and slapped down Posnerites as rapidly as he slapped down conspiracists. As the Discovery Channel has taken a decidedly LN slant, there was no way he would have done this if it wasn't an honest expression of his beliefs. Thanks for the input Pat. Then, at best, Mack just tries to bully and belittle people into believing as he supposedly does with comments like "where do you get your bad information?" That, and the fact that he can't or won't post on forums, and his lack of evidence for his assertions, are all red flags. I'm not gonna spend time on him, or let him wind me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Myra, you need not be worried about Gary being a disinformationist. He has his own beliefs but is sincere. A year or so ago he took questions online on behalf of the Discovery Channel, and slapped down Posnerites as rapidly as he slapped down conspiracists. As the Discovery Channel has taken a decidedly LN slant, there was no way he would have done this if it wasn't an honest expression of his beliefs. Thanks for the input Pat. Then, at best, Mack just tries to bully and belittle people into believing as he supposedly does with comments like "where do you get your bad information?" That, and the fact that he can't or won't post on forums, and his lack of evidence for his assertions, are all red flags. I'm not gonna spend time on him, or let him wind me up. I suppose Gary can come off as a bully. I assume that, like many long-time researchers, he feels he's learned a thing or two, and gets annoyed when someone asks questions he feels were answered long ago. As curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, Mack has had access to more first generation prints and negatives than any other researcher. As a result, you can generally trust him re the photos. I say "generally" in that, in this case, you should double-check things as much as possible, particularly when people say things like "yeah, I looked at that 20 years ago, and..." Memory has a way of changing over time. We think our memories are written in stone, when they are really written in sand, ever-shifting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Woods Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Myra, you need not be worried about Gary being a disinformationist. He has his own beliefs but is sincere. A year or so ago he took questions online on behalf of the Discovery Channel, and slapped down Posnerites as rapidly as he slapped down conspiracists. As the Discovery Channel has taken a decidedly LN slant, there was no way he would have done this if it wasn't an honest expression of his beliefs. Thanks for the input Pat. Then, at best, Mack just tries to bully and belittle people into believing as he supposedly does with comments like "where do you get your bad information?" That, and the fact that he can't or won't post on forums, and his lack of evidence for his assertions, are all red flags. I'm not gonna spend time on him, or let him wind me up. I suppose Gary can come off as a bully. I assume that, like many long-time researchers, he feels he's learned a thing or two, and gets annoyed when someone asks questions he feels were answered long ago. As curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, Mack has had access to more first generation prints and negatives than any other researcher. As a result, you can generally trust him re the photos. I say "generally" in that, in this case, you should double-check things as much as possible, particularly when people say things like "yeah, I looked at that 20 years ago, and..." Memory has a way of changing over time. We think our memories are written in stone, when they are really written in sand, ever-shifting... I dealt with Gary for over thirty years and never been "bully" by him. He has provided me with some good insight dealing with the photographic evidence. Quite honestly, I had more problems with researchers ripping off information or photographic images from my collection. johnw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Gary Mack has always been professional, helpful, and insightful with me. I look forward to receiving any advice he cares to share - he has corrected me on numerous occasions, and has oftentimes saved me a lot of time / embarrassment. He has also many times provided me with useful information concerning resources for further study. Thanks Gary - much appreciated! - lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Woods Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hi Lee, I second that motion! Thanks Gary for your assistance. johnw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Gary has always been very helpful to me as well. It does appear that a first email from Gary to a newbie can be rather disconcerting. Myra is a case in point. As I recall, as was recounted on this forum, the first time Shanet received an email from Gary it scared the hell out of Shanet, who had no idea who this was. The first email I received from Gary was after a post of mine questioning the reality of Badgeman. He wanted to know my reasons. I knew who Gary was, so his email did not puzzle or disturb me, I was pleased to hear from him. Perhaps Gary should preface a first email to a newbie with something like, "Hi, I'm Gary Mack, I work at the Sixth Floor Museum, and I've forgotten more than you'll ever know about the assassination." The newbie will then know who he or she is dealing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Gary has always been very helpful to me as well. It does appear that a first email from Gary to a newbie can be rather disconcerting. Myra is a case in point. As I recall, as was recounted on this forum, the first time Shanet received an email from Gary it scared the hell out of Shanet, who had no idea who this was. The first email I received from Gary was after a post of mine questioning the reality of Badgeman. He wanted to know my reasons. I knew who Gary was, so his email did not puzzle or disturb me, I was pleased to hear from him. Perhaps Gary should preface a first email to a newbie with something like, "Hi, I'm Gary Mack, I work at the Sixth Floor Museum, and I've forgotten more than you'll ever know about the assassination." The newbie will then know who he or she is dealing with. That would be a better approach. I had no idea who he was when he first emailed, so I googled and came up with a few threads about him that made me suspicious. Then when I saw the exchange on Wim's site I decided to ask questions confirming who he was, and he was rather snide in return. ("Anyone who knows me..." Well, clearly I didn't know him.) In addition to that, he needed some evidence to back up his claims. Why would I believe a total stranger skulking around the periphery of forums? And bottom line is he couldn't show me proof. Then he continued his belittling tone in that other email and I was done. If you've been treated better I suppose you're lucky, or have a closer relationship with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Woods Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) Guessing I was able to hold his Emmy Award for his co-production on JFK would make me friend johnw Edited November 7, 2006 by John Woods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now