Steve Thomas Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Would you say that this man is 5'11", 158 lbs, has brown hair, wears dark glasses, and has a dark complexion? Maybe. The physical description provided above is not that of the Dark Complected Man, but of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro. See 5/26/64 FBI Report of SA Wallace Heitman, page 5 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=223 Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Bradford Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 I am not generally one for seeing people in the patterns of light and dark in the bushes (not that I disparage such searches), but I've always been amazed this photo doesn't get more attention. Is it just me, or is it pretty apparent that the dark-complected man is speaking into a walkie-talkie of some sort. The bulge in his hands is pretty blurry, but you can see the grey strip of the antenna against the suit of the person behind him. The picture is from Ron Ecker's "The Umbrella Man" page: http://www.hobrad.com/acreumbr.htm Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Rex, The strip that looks like an antenna could possibly be an artifact in the photo. I say that because there is a similar strip visible halfway down the man's back. And there is another one under the left shoulder of the motorcycle cop. But then that strip right where an antenna would be sure is coincidental, isn't it? I hate coincidences. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Only 4 hits for 'Orcarberro' at NARA. Wonder what Goss was telling 'Blakey' [sic]. ORIGINATOR : USSS FROM : GOFF, ROBERT O. TO : BLAKEY, G. ROBERT TITLE : [No Title] DATE : 05/17/1978 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : LETTER SUBJECTS : RODRIGUEZ-ORCARBERRO, MANUEL CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED RESTRICTIONS : REFERRED CURRENT STATUS : POSTPONED IN FULL DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/26/1993 COMMENTS : USSS 155-1. Box 155. I don't seem to be able to find a photo for Orcarberro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Bradford Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Rex,The strip that looks like an antenna could possibly be an artifact in the photo. I say that because there is a similar strip visible halfway down the man's back. And there is another one under the left shoulder of the motorcycle cop. But then that strip right where an antenna would be sure is coincidental, isn't it? I hate coincidences. Ron Well, I guess everybody has different eyes! I don't see similar strips in the other places you mention - in fact the one I'm talking about is about "halfway down the man's back" so maybe the one I'm trying to point out is the "other one" you're seeing. And the strip I do see is "perfectly" located relative to the blob in the Dark-Complected-Man hand. Further, the strip doesn't go through the DCM's head (which an antenna wouldn't being behind his head), but shows up perfectly emerging from his head across the other person's back. Okay, I guess I must be Black Dog Guy after all. But for whatever reason this one looks obvious to me, unlike all the other guys-in-the-bushes I've been exposed to. Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weaver Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Rex, The strip that looks like an antenna could possibly be an artifact in the photo. I say that because there is a similar strip visible halfway down the man's back. And there is another one under the left shoulder of the motorcycle cop. But then that strip right where an antenna would be sure is coincidental, isn't it? I hate coincidences. Ron Well, I guess everybody has different eyes! I don't see similar strips in the other places you mention - in fact the one I'm talking about is about "halfway down the man's back" so maybe the one I'm trying to point out is the "other one" you're seeing. And the strip I do see is "perfectly" located relative to the blob in the Dark-Complected-Man hand. Further, the strip doesn't go through the DCM's head (which an antenna wouldn't being behind his head), but shows up perfectly emerging from his head across the other person's back. Okay, I guess I must be Black Dog Guy after all. But for whatever reason this one looks obvious to me, unlike all the other guys-in-the-bushes I've been exposed to. Rex Is there a clearer picture that does show the DCMs right hand where it is supposed to be while holding the walkie talkie ? I mean one that is conclusive in regard of the hand ? Here is my take on the antenna and his right arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Thanks to Gary Mack for the following: The original Towner slides and movie film are at The Sixth Floor Museum, although she still owns them. Several years ago I did a very high-res scan of DCM and the "antenna" is, in fact, part of the picture - it is not an artifact. I can see the grain of the film and the silver highlight is not a scratch or any other defect. To me, it looks like DCM might be bringing a transistor radio up to his ear. I suspect that if there were any pictures of him before the motorcade arrived, they would show he was listening to the live KRLD coverage of the motorcade on Main Street. Gary Mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Would you say that this man is 5'11", 158 lbs, has brown hair, wears dark glasses, and has a dark complexion? Maybe. The physical description provided above is not that of the Dark Complected Man, but of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro. See 5/26/64 FBI Report of SA Wallace Heitman, page 5 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=223 Steve Thomas _______________________________________________ OK, so I clicked on the link, Steve, and read the report and now I'm wondering which (earlier) report said that Rodriguez was "violently anti-Kennedy". Steve? James? Larry? ?? --Thomas _______________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 (edited) Would you say that this man is 5'11", 158 lbs, has brown hair, wears dark glasses, and has a dark complexion? Maybe. The physical description provided above is not that of the Dark Complected Man, but of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro. See 5/26/64 FBI Report of SA Wallace Heitman, page 5 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=223 Steve Thomas _______________________________________________ OK, so I clicked on the link, Steve, and read the report and now I'm wondering (just out of curiousity) which (earlier) report said that Rodriguez was "violently anti-Kennedy". --Thomas _______________________________________________ P.S. In answer to your question(s), I would have to say "yes" because DCM is, by definition, "dark-complected." He also obviously has dark hair (brown?) and is "lanky" (around 5' 11"; 158lbs?) Regarding the "dark" glasses, I think they can be seen in at least one of the other photos taken of him at that time. (But what about Felipe Vidal Santiago? Isn't it equally plausible that he was DCM?) --Thomas P.S. Thank God the woman wearing a dark coat was passing behind DCM when the photo was taken, making the antenna clearly visible. _______________________________________________ Edited January 7, 2011 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Would you say that this man is 5'11", 158 lbs, has brown hair, wears dark glasses, and has a dark complexion? Maybe. The physical description provided above is not that of the Dark Complected Man, but of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro. See 5/26/64 FBI Report of SA Wallace Heitman, page 5 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=223 Steve Thomas _______________________________________________ OK, so I clicked on the link, Steve, and read the report and now I'm wondering (just out of curiousity) which (earlier) report said that Rodriguez was "violently anti-Kennedy". --Thomas _______________________________________________ P.S. In answer to your question(s), I would have to say "yes" because DCM is, by deffinition, "dark-complected." He also obviously has dark hair (brown?) and is "lanky." Regarding the "dark" glasses, I think they can be seen in at least one of the other photos taken of him by the same photographer. (But what about Bernardo de Torres? Isn't it equally plausible that he was DCM?) --Thomas _______________________________________________ In the color Rickerby, the Cuban has switched the radio to his left ear. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I missed the ORCARBERRO photo posted by James earlier. If that is him - doesn't seem to be much of a match for DCM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Richards Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 (edited) I missed the ORCARBERRO photo posted by James earlier. If that is him - doesn't seem to be much of a match for DCM. Hi Lee, I'd just like to reiterate that I am not 100% sure the photo is of Orcarberro. I tried to contact his daughter some time back for confirmation but she never replied. James Edited October 4, 2006 by James Richards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 More on the Cuban and his radio. Jack The Cuban, his glasses, his cap. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 (edited) Was the Cuban packing a sidearm? Look at the shape of the bulge. Jack Edited October 4, 2006 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Agbat Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Was the Cuban packing a sidearm? Look at the shape of the bulge.Jack That is, without a doubt, the best view of DCM I've seen to-date. Thank you. I'm not sure it is a sidearm, but it could answer (quite easily) the question I had which was: "if he's using a radio in the other photographs, where did it go?" Walkie-Talkies from that era were substantially larger than today's, and were not as easy to conceal. If one was pocketed or belt-clipped under the jacket, it could very easily look like this. No question, though, there is something under that jacket (other than the DCM himself)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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