The Purloined Projectile

[Michael Crane]

I might be way out of line here but,I`m going to roll the dice & hope that it don`t come up snake eyes....

I could have sworn that Doug Horne came to this forum and said that he had recently discovered 2 new documents.

1 document that he produced was highlighted & said that Russian intelligence/KGB had information that LBJ was behind or had something to do with the death of president Kennedy.

Here is number 2 in which I`m trying to make my point.

I could have sworn that Mr.Horne also produced a second document that had a highlighted area indicating that a "bullet" was found during the autopsy behind the ear of president Kennedy.

Could this be the "missile" that Sibert & O`Neil signed the receipt for?

Edited January 26, 2007 by Michael Crane

[Pat Speer]

I might be way out of line here but,I`m going to roll the dice & hope that it don`t come up snake eyes....

I could have sworn that Doug Horne came to this forum and said that he had recently discovered 2 new documents.

1 document that he produced was highlighted & said that Russian intelligence/KGB had information that LBJ was behind or had something to do with the death of president Kennedy.

Here is number 2 in which I`m trying to make my point.

I could have sworn that Mr.Horne also produced a second document that had a highlighted area indicating that a "bullet" was found during the autopsy behind the ear of president Kennedy.

Could this be the "missile" that Sibert & O`Neil signed the receipt for?

It was an FBI memo on the night of the autopsy repeating what someone had heard. It is most probably a reference to the bullet fragment found behind Kennedy's right eye. There are so many mistakes like this in the early reports it's ridiculous. Let's remember that Hoover told Bobby Oswald had been in a shootout with two cops and LBJ that a bullet had rolled out of Kennedy's head. He said the sniper's nest was on the fifth floor over and over again. These men were just winging it, repeating hearsay and garbling it up even worse.

And Ash, the order of silence was removed for the HSCA, and Custer was free to talk from thereon until the cows came home. And he talked plenty. As far as Burkley at Parkland..you misinterpreted your cited statement. Burkley was in a press bus and was taken directly to the Trade Mart. By the time he got to Parkland Carrico had already administered the steroids for Kennedy's adrenal deficiency. At Bethesda, he spent most of his time upstairs. There was no one looking over Humes' shoulder telling him what to do. He was asked to avoid mention of the adrenals. He was told to find the bullet(s) and was given the impression that exploring the neck would be unneccessary. The back wound was so much lower than the tracheotomy it never occurred to him that the bullet exited from the throat. You've latched onto this "they're all liars and everything's a lie" mentality which makes little sense, IMO. As stated, Sibert and O'Neill have impressed everyone who's met them as being totally forthcoming. Sibert is a CT, O'Neill is not.

P.S. it's standard autopsy protocol to take x-rays first and then embark on a series of establishing shots of the whole body before progressing to the individual wounds. This was done. Humes and Boswell then inspected the head wound, removed the brain, performed the Y incision, and took a picture of the bruised lung in situ. At this time, Finck arrived, ordered a series of photos of the head wound on the skull and then RE-xrayed the neck and chest area in order to help find the missing bullet. They were stumped. The FBI then told them about the stretcher bullet and there you go... You keep saying that the x-rays were taken mid-autopsy and the back wound was inspected mid-autopsy as if this proves some great conspiracy. X-rays and photos were also taken at the beginning. So...

Edited January 26, 2007 by Pat Speer

[Bernice Moore]

I might be way out of line here but,I`m going to roll the dice & hope that it don`t come up snake eyes....

I could have sworn that Doug Horne came to this forum and said that he had recently discovered 2 new documents.

1 document that he produced was highlighted & said that Russian intelligence/KGB had information that LBJ was behind or had something to do with the death of president Kennedy.

Here is number 2 in which I`m trying to make my point.

I could have sworn that Mr.Horne also produced a second document that had a highlighted area indicating that a "bullet" was found during the autopsy behind the ear of president Kennedy.

Could this be the "missile" that Sibert & O`Neil signed the receipt for?

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Hi Michael:

You may be interested in the following for your own information.....

A thread where Doug posted his latest work....

Cover-Up of the Medical Evidence

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ug+Horne+report

And the...

HSCA Report, Volume V! ..Recovered Bullet During JFK Autopsy......on the Sibert and O'Neil Report

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=308

B..

[Charles Black]

And now we have Ashton Gray, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, who in his second career became the worlds foremost authority on the tracheotonomy procedure, now attempting, no doubt with trusty tape measure in hand, to explain to us the square footage of Trauma Room 1. That infamous "LITTLE CLOSET" in which the Parkland Trauma and "Murder" Specialists" did their "dastardly deed". The diminutive size of Trauma Room One and the number of staff and personnel present, can best be compared to the contents of a sardine can. It was in this madhouse "little closet" that the "Parkland Trauma and Murder Team" were able to puncture the President's throat unnoticed. A miniature scalpel was used since the confines of the space did not allow for the use of full sized medical implements.

What most surprises me however, is how the Warren Comission failed to include as an advisor, Joint Chiefs Chairman, General Ashton Gray, "M.D." !

They truly deprived themselves a source of deep insight and understanding of all "worldly matters" and possibly an understanding of the world beyond!

I suppose the Comission later realized that they had realy "blown it" ! Perhaps it is only hindsight that allows us to realize how well that he would have fit in with their type of investigation.

Charlie Black

[Charles Black]

And now we have Ashton Gray, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, who in his second career became the worlds foremost authority on the tracheotonomy procedure, now attempting, no doubt with trusty tape measure in hand, to explain to us the square footage of Trauma Room 1. That infamous "LITTLE CLOSET" in which the Parkland Trauma and "Murder" Specialists" did their "dastardly deed". The diminutive size of Trauma Room One and the number of staff and personnel present, can best be compared to the contents of a sardine can. It was in this madhouse "little closet" that the "Parkland Trauma and Murder Team" were able to puncture the President's throat unnoticed. A miniature scalpel was used since the confines of the space did not allow for the use of full sized medical implements.

What most surprises me however, is how the Warren Comission failed to include as an advisor, Joint Chiefs Chairman, General Ashton Gray, "M.D." !

They truly deprived themselves a source of deep insight and understanding of all "worldly matters" and possibly an understanding of the world beyond!

I suppose the Comission later realized that they had realy "blown it" ! Perhaps it is only hindsight that allows us to realize how well that he would have fit in with their type of investigation.

Charlie Black

[Wim Dankbaar]

CE 399 was not a bullet fired on 11/22/1963.

It was shot with a Mannlicher Carcano into soft material like water or cotton wadding before 11/22/1963

These bullets were meant to reload in higher caliber cartridges to be fired from higher powered rifles.

Some of these bullets were used that day, but not this one.

When found they would trace back to a Mannlicher Carcano.

John Masen knows all about this. Someone, maybe Jack Ruby placed one of those surplus bullets on the stretcher of Kennedy (not Connally), which is logical, because at that time no one had herad of the "single bullet" that ended up in Connally.

Wim

[Thomas H. Purvis]

CE 399 was not a bullet fired on 11/22/1963.

It was shot with a Mannlicher Carcano into soft material like water or cotton wadding before 11/22/1963

These bullets were meant to reload in higher caliber cartridges to be fired from higher powered rifles.

Some of these bullets were used that day, but not this one.

When found they would trace back to a Mannlicher Carcano.

John Masen knows all about this. Someone, maybe Jack Ruby placed one of those surplus bullets on the stretcher of Kennedy (not Connally), which is logical, because at that time no one had herad of the "single bullet" that ended up in Connally.

Wim

Logical????????????????

Define the logic as to exactly why pieces of the bullet which struck JFK in the head with such force that it tore the bullet into multiple fragments, was also ballistically matched EXACTLY to the rifle found in the sixth floor window, which was ballistically matched to have been fired from the same weapon that fired CE399.

It was shot with a Mannlicher Carcano into soft material like water or cotton wadding before 11/22/1963

http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/Rifle_Bullets/index.html

Personally, I would go fire a WCC 6.5mm Carcano round into cotton wadding and a drum of water and then compare it with CE399 before I went out on this limb.

But then again, I would assume that you still believe that CE399 is "Pristine"

Also, in event that you think that cotton will create the circular scratches into the copper of the bullet nose, then perhaps you should corner the market on this grade of cotton and utilize it in bullet proof vests.

These bullets were meant to reload in higher caliber cartridges to be fired from higher powered rifles.

What you are referring to is called a "Framing Round", and since you obviously know so little of this, to include it's name,it is not too likely that you know anything about it as well.

Plus the fact that it is quite doubtful that anyone needed several million "framing rounds".

John Masen knows all about this. Someone, maybe Jack Ruby placed one of those surplus bullets on the stretcher of Kennedy (not Connally), which is logical, because at that time no one had herad of the "single bullet" that ended up in Connally.

Probably "Someone" from one of those space alien aircrafts no doubt.

Lastly, had you done your homework, had any such event as planted bullets been a part of the overall "giant" plan, then most probably it would have been planted by the Otis Elevator Repair Man.

Lastly, the nice thing about factual research is that it will withstand the test and scrutiny of any number of qualified persons who review it.

One can sit back in their chair and expouse completely hypothetical thoughts all day long.

And, there has most certainly been more than sufficient of this.

I do believe those who have chased the "planted bullet" theme have been doing so for a considerable number of years.

With I might add, ZERO results.

So, anyone who believes this "planted" bullet theory, with the "Pristine" condition of CE399, has taken little time in evaluation of the facts which surround this bullelt.

Evaluation of the bullet will tell you how it came to exist. ALL other opinions are merely that!

Likely that you will accept or believe this????-----------About like the snowball in hades.

However, I do recognize that a few persons on this forum (or at least a few who read it), have the capabilities for separate and independent thought as well as the means for conducting scientific and empirical research.

So, this is merely to continue to point to the CORRECT pathway for them in order that the evidence in the JFK assassination can be better understood by these persons.

Edited January 26, 2007 by Thomas H. Purvis

[Ashton Gray]

While the resident spin doctor spins like a dreydl dipped in sewage, spattering malicious filthy fictions on everything in its path, while the howler monkeys swing and chatter and fling their dung, adding nothing relevant or factual to the discussion, here are some incontrovertible facts that are going to be methodically, mercilessly, and inarguably documented in this thread:

1. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was not at any relevant time on any bus—as you have been maliciously misled to believe, right here in this thread—but was in what was called "the VIP car" in the motorcade.
   
2. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was at Parkland Hospital, by his own admission, within as little as three minutes of the arrival of JFK at Parkland hospital.
   
3. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was indeed in the small Trauma Room 1 on Dr. Carrico's arrival in the room, just as Dr. Carrico has testified, and Jacqueline Kennedy was seated outside Trauma Room 1 on a folding metal chair during those early crucial minutes.
   
4. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY personally supplied John F. Kennedy's blood type, which happened very early on, before Nurse Henchliffe left Trauma Room 1 to go get the necessary blood, which she says was within about two minutes of JFK's actual arrival inside Trauma Room 1.
   
5. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY then was in Trauma Room 1 with Nurse Diana Bowron, who is documented as having lied about the throat wound.
   
6. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was in Trauma Room 1 with Nurse Diana Bowron when Kennedy's clothing was partially removed, including his tie and the opening of his shirt.
   
7. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was in Trauma Room 1 and personally "checked the President's physical condition," "viewed the President" at the "head of the table," and "saw President Kennedy's wounds at Parkland Hospital."
   
8. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was in Trauma Room 1 when the cutdowns were done to start administering fluids to JFK. Jaqueline Kennedy was still outside Trauma Room 1 on a folding metal chair. Some hospital personnel felt she even was being neglected and arranged for some water for her, and asked if she would like to remove her bloodstained gloves, which she would not do.
   
9. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY was in Trauma Room 1, within arms' reach, when Malcom Perry came in and had the conversation with Dr. Carrico about the throat wound, then started the tracheotomy.
   
10. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY not only was already in Trauma Room 1 when steroids were administered to John F. Kennedy, but in fact ordered the administration of the steroids himself, and in fact supplied the steroids to be used: SolU Cortef (spelled in evidence as Sol U Cortef). The assertion that Carrico administered steroids on his own is yet another willful and malicious falsehood designed to deceive. The source in testimony of that falsehood is Malcolm Perry himself—entered into the record under the guiding questioning of John J. McCloy himself—and the motive for the lie was to cover up the presence and activities of George Gregory Burkley inside Trauma Room 1. That's the same motive behind someone in this very thread propagating that exact McCoy-Perry supplied lie for no other purpose but maliciously to confuse and deceive you.
    
11. ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY personally went into the corridor and brought Jacqueline Kennedy into Trauma Room 1 only after the tracheotomy incision had been made—when he was damned good and ready for her to be there.
    

These facts are proven beyond any reasonable doubt as will be documented in this thread point-by-point, despite any and all efforts by the disinformation mechanics trying to keep the fictions alive and keep you confused.

These are the facts.

I pointed out some time ago that one of the most glaring omissions in all the so-called "investigations" of the Kennedy murder was the omission of a careful timeline of the events at Parkland Hospital. One of the Timeline Elves, I'm happy to report, has concentrated on constructing just such a timeline of those few hours, particularly the first crucial half hour, from every scrap of testimony and written reports and documentation that could be scraped up from anywhere.

As a result, the lies are being stripped off like bargain-basement shingles in a category five hurricane. What suddenly was found to be standing there starkly included the above incontrovertible facts about a man whose presence and activities inside Trauma Room 1 have been lied about, covered up, smoke-screened, hidden, obfuscated, and grossly omitted (where facts and testimony about his presence should have been) in extraordinary ways.

But from careful, meticulous timelining of miniscule facts scattered all over the case, it is proven now beyond even the slightest doubt that George Gregory Burkley was present inside Trauma Room 1 at all relevant times, and knew, at all relevant times, about the throat wound. It would have been utterly impossible for him not to have known about the throat wound. So George Gregory Burkley actively suppressed that knowledge throughout the Bethesda autopsy that night—which autopsy he supervised, according to his own sworn affidavit.

Other curious facts have emerged from the timeline:

• ADMIRAL GEORGE GREGORY BURKLEY became John F. Kennedy's personal physician in July 1963.
  
• DIANA BOWRON arrived from England at Parkland hospital on 4 August 1963—less than a month after Burkley had been announced as Kennedy's personal physician.
  
• MALCOLM PERRY arrived back at Parkland Hospital, after a year away in San Francisco, on or around 1 September 1963—about a month after Bowron's arrival at Parkland.
  

There are no "theories" in this message. None. There are only incontrovertible, documented facts. Any "theories" you are viewing are inside your skull, and are yours—not mine.

Ashton Gray

Edited January 26, 2007 by Ashton Gray

[Charles Black]

Ashton

I am not going to waste much time with your ridiculous posts....I will be spared your "merciless" proof.

I am going to refer back to your "Parkland Trauma Room Staff and Murder Team" !

You stated that "Burkely was present in Trauma Room 1 at all relevant times" and "....had the conversation with Dr. Carrico about the throat wound" prior to the trach. incision.

Was Burkely standing there with closed eyes when the murderous throat puncture wound was inflicted ?

As you noted, the Trauma Room was crowded. Am I then to assume, that all present within that room, simultaneously closed their eyes, in order for the throat puncturing assassin to do his dirty deed ?

You also stated that Admiral Burkely "actively supressed that knowledge" of the throat wound from the Bethesda Autopsists in order to aid the conspiracy.

Has it ever occurred to you that DR. Admiral Burkely, may have thought that the autopsists at the Naval Medical Training Facility at Bethesda, were perhaps competent enough professionals, to see for themselves, that the the trach incision had been made thru an already existing bullet entrance wound, that had been pronounced as such by the "expert testimony" of the Parkland medical staff ?

Get your "facts" straight before you engage in, above your capacity debate, with knowledgeable forum members. For your future info., Burkely was not in the autopsy room during the entire procedure.

Ashton....I feel that you are nothing more than a waste of forum time !

The only reason that I bother to respond is that newcomers might otherwise think that you know what you are talking about ! ! !

Charlie Black

[Guest Mark Valenti]

Some interesting bits from Burkley's testimony:

"We might mention something about the assassination here which will clear the record I think, to a great degree. When we were in Forth Worth, Mrs. Lincoln and I were in the second car in the motorcade. When we arrived in Dallas the President got off one end of the plane. Mrs. Lincoln and I got off the other end of the plane, and when we got to the bottom of the stairs, the motorcade was already in motion and I complained to the Secret Service that I should be either in the followup car or the lead car."

Question: "Who did you speak to at that time?"

"Members of the Secret Service. And they said it couldn't be arranged, that the politicians had gotten in that group of cars, that everyone wanted to be in those cars, and also the motorcade was in action. We, therefore, were put in a so-called VIP vehicle. When the assassination occurred, I got to the scene by securing a car through one of the Secret Service, Andy Berger, and an escort of a policeman. I was there probably within three to five minutes of the time the President arrived. I went immediately to see the President, and went to the table on which he was being treated, and immediately saw for all intents and purposes life did not exist, or could not be sustained.

I talked to the doctors who were busily engaged in doing what was indicated and would have been indicated had there been any hope of salvation of the President. I gave them some hydrocortisone, to put in the intravenous which was being given, and also told them his blood type. There was no need for anything in my estimation, but they were correct in doing all possible procedures. I then contacted Mrs. Kennedy, who was sitting outside, and that is of record, and from then on it was my interest."

"I supervised the autopsy and kept in constant contact with Mrs. Kennedy and the members of her party who were on the seventeenth floor in the suite at that level. I made trips back and forth. I delivered to her personally the ring from the President's finger, and talked to her on a number of occasions."

"It took practically the entire night, and the embalming was done very carefully, and the reconstruction of the area which had been involved in the gunshot wound in the head had to be cared for in a very professional manner."

Question: "Do your conclusions differ at all with the Warren report of the circumstances or cause of death?"

"My conclusion in regard to the cause of death was the bullet wound which involved the skull. The discussion as to whether a previous bullet also enters into it, but as far as the cause of death the immediate cause was unquestionably the bullet which shattered the brain and the calvarium."

Question: "Do you agree with the Warren Report on the number of bullets that entered the President's body?"

"I would not care to be quoted on that."

"Most of the time, however, I was within one or two cars of the President. This was one fo the few times that this did not occur."

[Guest Mark Valenti]

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Edited January 26, 2007 by Mark Valenti

[Pat Speer]

Some interesting bits from Burkley's testimony:

"We might mention something about the assassination here which will clear the record I think, to a great degree. When we were in Forth Worth, Mrs. Lincoln and I were in the second car in the motorcade. When we arrived in Dallas the President got off one end of the plane. Mrs. Lincoln and I got off the other end of the plane, and when we got to the bottom of the stairs, the motorcade was already in motion and I complained to the Secret Service that I should be either in the followup car or the lead car."

Question: "Who did you speak to at that time?"

"Members of the Secret Service. And they said it couldn't be arranged, that the politicians had gotten in that group of cars, that everyone wanted to be in those cars, and also the motorcade was in action. We, therefore, were put in a so-called VIP vehicle. When the assassination occurred, I got to the scene by securing a car through one of the Secret Service, Andy Berger, and an escort of a policeman. I was there probably within three to five minutes of the time the President arrived. I went immediately to see the President, and went to the table on which he was being treated, and immediately saw for all intents and purposes life did not exist, or could not be sustained.

I talked to the doctors who were busily engaged in doing what was indicated and would have been indicated had there been any hope of salvation of the President. I gave them some hydrocortisone, to put in the intravenous which was being given, and also told them his blood type. There was no need for anything in my estimation, but they were correct in doing all possible procedures. I then contacted Mrs. Kennedy, who was sitting outside, and that is of record, and from then on it was my interest."

"I supervised the autopsy and kept in constant contact with Mrs. Kennedy and the members of her party who were on the seventeenth floor in the suite at that level. I made trips back and forth. I delivered to her personally the ring from the President's finger, and talked to her on a number of occasions."

"It took practically the entire night, and the embalming was done very carefully, and the reconstruction of the area which had been involved in the gunshot wound in the head had to be cared for in a very professional manner."

Question: "Do your conclusions differ at all with the Warren report of the circumstances or cause of death?"

"My conclusion in regard to the cause of death was the bullet wound which involved the skull. The discussion as to whether a previous bullet also enters into it, but as far as the cause of death the immediate cause was unquestionably the bullet which shattered the brain and the calvarium."

Question: "Do you agree with the Warren Report on the number of bullets that entered the President's body?"

"I would not care to be quoted on that."

"Most of the time, however, I was within one or two cars of the President. This was one fo the few times that this did not occur."

Thanks, Mark, for posting this. It appears Burkley's statements to the JFK Library--this wasn't actual testimony that you posted--are the source of parts of Mr. Gray's theory. I think Burkley exaggerates his role somewhat. When shown these statements by the ARRB Humes was outraged, as I recall. In Humes' mind, he was running the show, after agreeing with Burkley on how to treat the adrenal question.

That said, Burkley's words deflate Ashton's "Burkley and Perry did it" scenario. Burkley's strange statement about there possibly having been two headshots--I quote him in my presentation--and his later unexplored offering to the HSCA that he had reason to suspect a conspiracy--make his role in the actual killing extremely doubtful.

As far as his being in a "VIP" car, I could have sworn it was the staff bus towards the end of the motorcade. My bad. He was most definitely not in any of the early VIP cars and was most definitely not in Dealey Plaza at the moment of the first shot. The only thing we have as far as his being there within three minutes is his say-so. Well, this is an obvious guess on his part. He had no idea how long the limo sat outside while people tried to co-erce Mrs. Kennedy to let them take a look at her husband. This supposedly took some time. While he says he provided the doctors with hydrocortisone, it is my recollection that it had already been administered. I believe Carrico discusses this in his testimony, as well as Perry. It is the testimony of several, as I remember, that Kellerman provided the Parkland doctors with Kennedy's blood type upon arrival. Just because Burkley provided the Parkland doctors with hydrocortisone and information does not mean they hadn't already applied hydrocortisone and learned his blood-type. To my understanding, he arrived late-on-the-scene, barked out some orders, saw people responding to what he said, and mistakenly assumed that he was the first one to say these things.

If I remember where I read that he was initially taken to the Trade Mart, or why I thought such a thing, I'll post that information.

In the meantime, it appears Ashton is on another one of his "There were no Diem cables" type distractions. I share Charlie's concern about his motivations. It seems to me that "Mr. Gray" delights in finding pieces of accepted information that are extremely damaging to certain parties, e.g. that everyone around Nixon believed that Hunt had created the cables to implicate the Kennedy Administration in a murder or that everyone at Parkland knew Kennedy had suffered a throat wound but that the Bethesda doctors and everyone around them were so half-assed they failed to figure this out, and twist them into some completely bizarre conspiracy that makes almost everyone out to be a xxxx, and everyone who disagrees with him a CIA apologist or disinformationist. I fail to understand what his role is here. At first I thought he was defending Nixon. Then I thought he was pushing Scientology and Remote Viewing. Now I tend to believe he's just a xxxxx, more concerned with rattling cages than getting anywhere near a truth, and more concerned with impressing people with his high-voltage verbiage than making a clear argument to support his "theories". To me, his little tag-line about Watergate, in which he deliberately misrepresents my views as a way of goading me for disagreeing with his almighty greatness, is indicative of his utter contempt for anyone who takes this forum seriously and uses this forum for anything but verbal jousting. In my opinion, whether he means to or not, his behavior is likely to drive anyone away who has any inside knowledge on anything, as, with one look at the forum, they'd see the inevitability of his illogical attacks. And this upsets me greatly, as I've been here a long time and am well aware of John's attempts to use this forum for revelatory discussion among noted experts and participants in events of historical importance. But that's just me, the "disinformationist."

Edited January 26, 2007 by Pat Speer

[Guest Mark Valenti]

Sometimes the volleys on the Forum can sting but in the end, I think everything moves toward the same goal. I occasionally joust with people whose motives I suspect, or whose theories I find faulty, but I believe in the fresh-air approach - let it all be stated in broad daylight, and the correct answer will emerge. Probably best not to descend into fisticuffs....but I don't always follow my own advice.

[Michael Crane]

I just wanted to take this time and thank Bernice & everyone else for sharing.

Edited January 27, 2007 by Michael Crane

[Ashton Gray]

You stated that "Burkely was present in Trauma Room 1 at all relevant times"

Yes, that is what I said. And that is what I am going to back up very thoroughly with documentation. Sorry you're going to miss it. Not sorry enough to lose sleep, though.

and "....had the conversation with Dr. Carrico about the throat wound" prior to the trach. incision.

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<BZZZZZZZZT!> No, that is not what I said at all. But thanks for playing.

Was Burkely standing there with closed eyes when the murderous throat puncture wound was inflicted?

Of course I couldn't answer any such smarmy rhetorical question with any certainty, since I wasn't there. But I'm happy to give you my opinion: no, I don't think he closed his eyes. The wound, after all, was precisely placed where a tracheotomy incision soon would be made.

As you noted, the Trauma Room was crowded.

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When?

You also stated that Admiral Burkely "actively supressed that knowledge" of the throat wound

Yes, that's what I said. I said that's what he did because that's exactly what he did.

Ashton....I feel that you are nothing more than a waste of forum time!

For all its many virtues and poetic prowess, the woeful inadequacies of the English language are refreshed to my attention at times like these when I search for a way to express how little I care.

But tomorrow's another day, and the sun soon will be over the yardarm again—somewhere. So: cheers, pal.

Ashton Gray

Edited January 27, 2007 by Ashton Gray