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    In the early 80's I helped weaponize rocknroll (see bio); in the early 90's I helped weaponize collectors' trading cards; since then I've been helping to weaponize the salient fact of conspiracy in the murder of JFK: the bullet holes in his clothes are too low to associate with his throat wound.

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  1. Cliff Varnell

    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    Saigon, September 1963: Ellen J. Hammer, A Death in November – America in Vietnam in 1963, pg. 251, emphasis added The generals still seemed to think they could make a deal with Diem. Don went with Dinh to Gia Long Palace to deliver a letter asking for a reorganization of the government that would give the military no less than the key cabinet posts of defense, interior, psychological war, and education. They also wanted the Nhus out of the government. There would be no coup until a reply was received from the president, General Khiem told his CIA contact that September. But he reassured the American that the generals had not given up their plotting. They feared that Nhu might actually succeed in working out a reconciliation with the North. A dangerous prospect, according to Conein, because “what the devil are they fighting for if the central government was negotiating behind their backs.”
  2. Cliff Varnell

    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    Interesting information on William Corson: David Talbot, The Devil’s Chessboard, pgs. 753-4 <quote on> William Corson, a former Marine Corps officer and Navy intelligence agent who was close to Dulles, confirmed that the spymaster pulled strings to get on the Warren Commission. He “lobbied hard for the job,” recalled Corson, who had commanded young Allen Jr. in the Korean War. After he took his place on the commission, Dulles recruited Corson to explore the Jack Ruby angle. After spending months pursuing various leads, Corson eventually concluded that he had been sent on a wild goose chase. “It is entirely possible I was sent on an assignment which would go nowhere…Allen Dulles had a lot to hide. <quote off> Corson had been recruited by Kennedy to find out who ordered the assassination of Diem and Nhu -- did Dulles send Corson on a wild goose chase to prevent him from investigating who killed Kennedy? Allen Dulles was Averell Harriman's personal lawyer for decades. Perhaps Dulles was trying to keep Corson from drawing the same conclusion about the Kennedy assassination that he did with the Diem murder -- Harriman ordered it.
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, pgs. 184-5 <quote on, emphasis in the original> Kennedy’s main State Department advisers on Vietnam, Averell Harriman and Roger Hilsman, and his White House aide, Michael Forrestal, were all just as dismayed as Lodge was by the president’s decision to send McNamara and Taylor to Vietnam [on late September ’63 fact-finding mission]. When Harriman learned about it, he phoned Forrestal to say he and Hilsman thought the president’s proposal was “a disaster” because it meant “sending two men opposed to our policy” of promoting a coup. Forrestal glumly agreed. But Kennedy had made his decision. The coup that his closest State Department advisers on Vietnam and his Saigon ambassador regarded as their policy, and that they had manipulated the president into endorsing, was not in fact his policy. <quote off> As skillful as JFK was maneuvering McNamara and Taylor to sign off on his Vietnam withdrawal policy, in the end he took a scalpel into a samurai sword fight.
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    Lodge makes his appearance around the 39 minute mark of Episode 2..
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    Joseph Trento, The Secret History of the CIA, pgs 334-5: <quote on, emphasis added> Who changed the coup into the murder of Diem, Nhu and a Catholic priest accompanying them? To this day, nothing has been found in government archives tying the killings to either John or Robert Kennedy. So how did the tools and talents developed by Bill Harvey for ZR/RIFLE and Operation MONGOOSE get exported to Vietnam? Kennedy immediately ordered (William R.) Corson to find out what had happened and who was responsible. The answer he came up with: “On instructions from Averell Harriman…. The orders that ended in the deaths of Diem and his brother originated with Harriman and were carried out by Henry Cabot Lodge’s own military assistant.” Having served as ambassador to Moscow and governor of New York, W. Averell Harriman was in the middle of a long public career. In 1960, President-elect Kennedy appointed him ambassador-at-large, to operate “with the full confidence of the president and an intimate knowledge of all aspects of United States policy.” By 1963, according to Corson, Harriman was running “Vietnam without consulting the president or the attorney general.” The president had begun to suspect that not everyone on his national security team was loyal. As Corson put it, “Kenny O’Donnell (JFK’s appointments secretary) was convinced that McGeorge Bundy, the national security advisor, was taking orders from Ambassador Averell Harriman and not the president. He was especially worried about Michael Forrestal, a young man on the White House staff who handled liaison on Vietnam with Harriman.” At the heart of the murders was the sudden and strange recall of Sagon Station Chief Jocko Richardson and his replacement by a no-name team barely known to history. The key member was a Special Operations Army officer, John Michael Dunn, who took his orders, not from the normal CIA hierarchy but from Harriman and Forrestal. According to Corson, “John Michael Dunn was known to be in touch with the coup plotters,” although Dunn’s role has never been made public. Corson believes that Richardson was removed so that Dunn, assigned to Ambassador Lodge for “special operations,” could act without hindrance. <quote off> This memo shows Harriman flexing his muscles for the coup. Memorandum of Conversation, "Vietnam," August 28, 1963, Noon https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn07.pdf
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    Bless the Universe! I can now demolish DiEugenio's mis-prepresentations of the historical facts behind the Bay of Pigs, the partition of Laos (a country he apparently cannot bring himself to mention), the over-throw of Diem, and the root facts of the JFK assassination -- without being called a t-r-o-l-l, an agenda-driven provocateur, or Machiavellian. The historian has no clothes.
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    Not "probably." The 17th Parallel was east of Laos.
  8. Cliff Varnell

    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    No, there is no difference between the Douglass quote and my paraphrase. Are you going to sprout orange hair and start ranting about Spygate, next?
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    The Ho Chi Minh Trail was in Laos and Cambodia, Jim.
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    What part of this do you not comprehend? "In late August, the CIA had agreed with the plotting South Vietnamese generals that just such a cut in economic aid would be the US government's green light to the generals for a coup." My paraphrase is accurate. You have this weird compulsion to personally attack anyone with whom you disagree.
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    So you know for a fact that the New York World Telegraph-Sun report was wrong? You know for a fact that there was no negotiations under way between Diem and the North? How do you know that, Jim? Spare us your phony outrage, Jim. I wrote: " the CIA controlled Agency for International Development cut the Commodity Import Program for So. Vietnam – the signal of US support the rebel generals were looking for to go ahead with a coup " Douglass wrote: "In late August, the CIA had agreed with the plotting South Vietnamese generals that just such a cut in economic aid would be the US government's green light to the generals for a coup." My paraphrase is accurate. Are you incapable of civil discourse, Jim?
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    Primary sources: Memorandum of Conversation, "Vietnam," August 27, 1963, 4:00PM https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn05.pdf It was decided to send a cable to Lodge and Harkins asking for their judgment on the probable success of a coup and their estimate on whether the turmoil would spread to the countryside and the military. Memorandum of Conference with the President, August 27, 1963, 4:00 PM https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn06.pdf Secretary Rusk stated that we should make clear to our officials in Saigon that we were not changing their existing directive on which they had already proceeded to take numerous actions. Memorandum of Conversation, "Vietnam," August 28, 1963, Noon https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn07.pdf The President said we should decide what we can do here or suggest things that can done in the field which would maximize the chances of the rebel generals. We should ask Ambassador Lodge and General Harkins how we can build up military forces which would carry out a coup. At present, it does not look as if the coup forces could defeat Diem. Secretary Dillon interrupted to say, “Then don’t go.” The President asked the Defense Department to come up with ways of building up the anti-Diem forces in Saigon. <quote off> Kennedy kicked the can down the road which came to an abrupt end days later when the CIA controlled Agency for International Development cut the Commodity Import Program for So. Vietnam – the signal of US support the rebel generals were looking for to go ahead with a coup (Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, pg 192.)
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    Not necessarily. "Today's World Report: Truce Moves Reported In Viet Nam," New York World-Telegram & Sun, (Friday), 25 October 1963, p.6:* "LONDON - The government of South Vietnam and Communist North Viet Nam are apparently making exploratory contacts that could lead to a truce, diplomatic sources said. There was no official confirmation…Diplomatic sources said the current moves were believed to be aiming at some sort of truce arrangement with possible wider ramifications." <quote off> The CIA conducted a false flag attack on Buddhists in Hue in May; Harriman and Ball bum-rushed JFK into approving Cable 243 green-lighting Lodge to organize a coup; the CIA ordered the cut in economic aid to Diem, a signal to the rebel generals to go ahead with a coup. The Diem government was headed for a fall because Americans kept pushing. If left alone Diem may have cut a deal with the North.
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    Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam

    JFK ordered regime change in Cuba and Vietnam, and partitioned Laos. I'm sympathetic to the view Kennedy was out-played by his advisors in all three instances -- advisors with their own secret agendas.
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    Why was JFK assassinated but Trump has not been?

    Looks like that one drew blood with the Trump Cult.
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