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2 hours ago, Lance Payette said:

I appeared on this thread, emerging from my self-imposed exile, only because someone told me my legal expertise had been requested.  Here’s what I would say in terms of a resolution:

1.  If there was a clear term of service that no member may do what DVP has done, or DVP had received previous specific warnings, then warn or ban him if you wish.  If not, there is nothing illegal or immoral about what he has done.  I personally have no problem with it whatsoever - as I had previously told DVP..

2.  If there was no clear term of service, then it doesn’t seem fair or reasonable to ban DVP or require him to “undo” what he has done.  If it is the wish of the site administrators, a clear term of service should be adopted for future application, to wit:

No member shall quote or reproduce, in whole or part, the post of another member on any blog, other forum, other website or anywhere else outside this forum, without the express written consent of the member being quoted.  A violation of this rule may, in the discretion of the Administrators, result in discipline up to and including a permanent ban of the violator.

And I thank you. :) I hope I have not gotten you into too much hot water since you are now back to dealing with Cliff.

The EF people have stated that they have a policy in place now (similar to what you wrote above), but I am not clear about whether or not it was in place when all of this occurred. Regardless, it was common knowledge for at least two years that David was archiving posts at his site and nobody expressed serious reservations until recently. Of course, I realize that this is a private forum and they can do whatever they wish. But I don't have to like it.

Edited by W. Tracy Parnell

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54 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

And I thank you. :) I hope I have not gotten you into too much hot water since you are now back to dealing with Cliff.

No Mr. Parnell, it is the historical record Mr. Payette (and you) refuse to deal with.

Due to your intellectual bankruptcy you have to identify me personally with the evidence, which doesn't belong to anyone.

 

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On 8/30/2019 at 1:56 PM, Michael Clark said:

.256 “ is a very small round.

That's why the military used them to plink at tin cans, old bottles and oncoming enemy soldiers.

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On 8/30/2019 at 4:06 PM, Lance Payette said:

 

Given a patsy with a large-caliber military rifle

 

 

On 8/30/2019 at 4:56 PM, Michael Clark said:

.256 “ is a very small round.

 

39 minutes ago, Lance Payette said:

That's why the military used them to plink at tin cans, old bottles and oncoming enemy soldiers.

 

M-16 is a .223” round, even smaller. They don’t get much smaller in terms of caliber, which is the bullet’s diameter.

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4 hours ago, Micah Mileto said:

YAWN anybody notice the ed forum is way less entertaining since DVP was banned for made-up, butthurt reasons?

 

The forum owners and administrators set and enforce the rules on this forum, not you. I suggest that you start your own forum if you don't like it.

If you want to be entertained, go to a movie. If you want to watch people argue online, Facebook and Twitter are a mouse click away.

To be honest, it sounds to me like you're the butthurt one, bringing this off-topic and already settled stuff back up for no reason other than you're bored.

There is nothing "made-up" and "butthurt" about Von Pein breaking the rules. He broke the rules. After breaking those rules multiple times over quite a long period of time, he was still afforded multiple opportunities to make it right and remain a member here, and he chose not to do so. That's not anyone else's fault but his own. If he weren't so lazy and just created his own content in the first place instead of stealing it from others, he would be here today entertaining you. Do you think he didn't break the rules, or that the rules on this forum should be waived in his case so long as it provides for your personal entertainment?

Clearly you, @Micah Mileto have never been a content creator for your own website. If you had been, you would know that content doesn't grow on trees. If Von Pein wants someone to create content for his website, he can PAY them or ASK them. Simple as that, and not at all unreasonable, (as if asking to not be the victim of theft was unreasonable in the first place). Somehow you expect members of this forum to be okay with being unpaid content creators for another member's separate website that

  1. we didn't join
  2. we didn't agree to write for
  3. we have no opportunity to respond on
  4. was in violation of this forum's rules that every member agreed on signup, and that we agree on every time we participate here

If you want to create content for Von Pein's website, go for it. That's your decision. Please respect the decisions of others who do not want their content stolen and put on another site without their knowledge, without any compensation, and without any way to respond.

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As an aside, I would like to say that I personally value this forum. I find it a great educational resource, and it continues to further my understanding of the JFK assassination. I am grateful to the other members here, to the moderators and administrators, and to the owners of the forum as well. Thank you.

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On 10/28/2019 at 8:45 AM, Denny Zartman said:

 

How is it stealing to copy and paste text from a public social media platform? I believe stealing is when you take something from somebody else and that person doesn't have that thing anymore. And isn't there an implied consent just by posting online to a public forum? Either way, I don't think it was as bad as disregarding the moral principle of free speech. It's not like DVP was spamming, If someone didn't like his posts, they could've scrolled or moved their eyeballs slightly down.

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1 hour ago, Micah Mileto said:

How is it stealing to copy and paste text from a public social media platform? I believe stealing is when you take something from somebody else and that person doesn't have that thing anymore. And isn't there an implied consent just by posting online to a public forum? Either way, I don't think it was as bad as disregarding the moral principal of free speech. It's not like DVP was spamming, If someone didn't like his posts, they could've scrolled or moved their eyeballs slightly down.

Wrong about Fetzer and wrong about Von Pein

Von Pein lifted the content and then replied to it at his own place and made it look he won the debate whereas he had left the thread with his tail between his legs beforehand. This was clearly brought forward in that thread and that was also the reason he got deep sixed. Get your facts straight Micah MIleto.

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On 10/28/2019 at 4:48 PM, Bart Kamp said:

Von Pein lifted the content and then replied to it at his own place and made it look he won the debate whereas he had left the thread with his tail between his legs beforehand. This was clearly brought forward in that thread and that was also the reason he got deep sixed.

...Ok? Still not important enough to ignore principles.

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19 hours ago, Micah Mileto said:

YAWN anybody notice the ed forum is way less entertaining since DVP was banned for made-up, butthurt reasons?

 

There are other JFK forums you are welcome to join. No one is holding you here.

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30 minutes ago, Kathy Beckett said:

There are other JFK forums you are welcome to join. No one is holding you here.

Come on, I'm not saying it's the biggest deal in the world. I already said everything I think about it, not trying to write War and Peace here. I think this site is pretty cool even with the occasional censorship. Don't go hating me now!

Edited by Micah Mileto

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