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4 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/1959_80AF25CF0E76A.pdf

 

Memorandum to: Each member of Congress

 

In compliance with provisions of Public Law 476 of the 79th Congress, I am forwarding herewith the annual report of the Civil Air Patrol of 1959.

Stephen D. McElroy

Brigadier General, USAF

National Commander

 

“On 8 August (1959) the National Headquarters opened for business in its new home at Ellington AFB, Texas, in a building far more suitable than the old Bolling AFB facility. The Corporation received a new chief executive officer when Colonel D. Harold Byrd replaced General Carl Spaatz who retired in April after many years of service as National Chairman”

 

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5 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/1959_80AF25CF0E76A.pdf

 

Memorandum to: Each member of Congress

 

In compliance with provisions of Public Law 476 of the 79th Congress, I am forwarding herewith the annual report of the Civil Air Patrol of 1959.

Stephen D. McElroy

Brigadier General, USAF

National Commander

 

“On 8 August (1959) the National Headquarters opened for business in its new home at Ellington AFB, Texas, in a building far more suitable than the old Bolling AFB facility. The Corporation received a new chief executive officer when Colonel D. Harold Byrd replaced General Carl Spaatz who retired in April after many years of service as National Chairman”

 

Steve Thomas

Linda J. Minor writes in her blog: Quixotic Joust

http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2011/06/other-uranium-explorers-in-texas-in.html

“Other Uranium Explorers in Texas in the 1950's “

 

“Jerrell Dean Palmer writes: "In 1952 the entrepreneur [Byrd] began to phase out Byrd-Frost and organized the Three States Natural Gas Company, which was purchased by Delhi-Taylor Oil Corporation in 1961."

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fby13

 

The United Press reported in mid-March of 1955: "Byrd Uranium Corp. had a new charter from Delaware Thursday making it a wholly-owned subsidiary of Byrd Oil Corp., President D. Harold Byrd said. The new company, authorized to operate in Colorado, Utah, New Mexico and Texas, will examine uranium prospects on the oil company's extensive holdings in the Rocky Mountain region."

 

It would have been during this period of time that George De Mohrenschildt's resume * reflects he worked for Three States Natural Gas in the Rocky Mountain area and in the Uintah basin.

 

* COL. LAWRENCE ORLOV: EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL RECORD

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=7491#relPageId=3&tab=page

 

“During the period of 1949 – 1959 acted as consultant on various projects, namely in Haiti, West Indies... for Western Hemisphere Oil Corporation; in France... for Three States Natural Gas Company...” “July, 1946 to January, 1949. Field Engineer for one year and then Chairman of Rangely Field Engineering Geological Committee, Colorado.”

 

George DeMohrenschildt worked in Rangely.

Orlov was with DeMohrenschildt when they first sought out the Oswalds in 1962.

 

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Once you see clearly the fact that DeM would have no reason to befriend Oswald for social reasons it becomes clear it was for intelligence purposes, which by extension makes all of DeM testimony and writings suspect. The story about the rifle and the Hunter of Fascists comes to mind.

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Steve - have you seen the book titled ‘The Military Order of World Wars’? Researcher Larry Haapanen says, according to Peter Dale Scott, that on page 120 of that book that Crichton ‘commanded the 488th MID, reporting directly to the Army Chief of Staff Intelligence and the DIA’. Haapanen also says, according to Scott, that he was told by Crichton’s commander in the Texas Army Reserve, Lt. Colonel Whitmeyer, that Crichton’s Unit did its summer training at the Pentagon. This info was presented by Scott at the 2010 COPA convention.

What do we know of Haapanen? Still around? 

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6 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Steve - have you seen the book titled ‘The Military Order of World Wars’? Researcher Larry Haapanen says, according to Peter Dale Scott, that on page 120 of that book that Crichton ‘commanded the 488th MID, reporting directly to the Army Chief of Staff Intelligence and the DIA’. Haapanen also says, according to Scott, that he was told by Crichton’s commander in the Texas Army Reserve, Lt. Colonel Whitmeyer, that Crichton’s Unit did its summer training at the Pentagon. This info was presented by Scott at the 2010 COPA convention.

What do we know of Haapanen? Still around? 

Paul,

 

Thank you. Yes, I have seen it (at least as much as you can get online). Here is Crichton's entry on page 87:

https://books.google.com/books?id=ibtADE8gMeoC&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=%22Legion+of+Merit%22+Crichton&source=bl&ots=UsV17DJRk7&sig=sw-DLTVYZL9P6SKEfsWpeLEhvEg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJruvqzcvRAhXKw1QKHbOTD2IQ6AEINzAF#v=onepage&q=%22Legion%20of%20Merit%22%20Crichton&f=false

 

Page 120 is not available in this online version

 

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16 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

It would have been during this period of time that George De Mohrenschildt's resume * reflects he worked for Three States Natural Gas in the Rocky Mountain area and in the Uintah basin.

 

* COL. LAWRENCE ORLOV: EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL RECORD

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=7491#relPageId=3&tab=page

 

“During the period of 1949 – 1959 acted as consultant on various projects, namely in Haiti, West Indies... for Western Hemisphere Oil Corporation; in France... for Three States Natural Gas Company...” “July, 1946 to January, 1949. Field Engineer for one year and then Chairman of Rangely Field Engineering Geological Committee, Colorado.”

 

George DeMohrenschildt worked in Rangely.

Orlov was with DeMohrenschildt when they first sought out the Oswalds in 1962.

 

Steve Thomas

I'm sorry. I have a correction to make.

Even though the title of this document is COL. LAWRENCE ORLOV: EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL RECORD, it is actually a resume of George DeMohrenschildt that he gave to Orlov in 1958. (see p. 2 of that document). It was DeMohrenschildt who was working for Byrd.

 

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2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

I'm sorry. I have a correction to make.

Even though the title of this document is COL. LAWRENCE ORLOV: EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL RECORD, it is actually a resume of George DeMohrenschildt that he gave to Orlov in 1958. (see p. 2 of that document). It was DeMohrenschildt who was working for Byrd.

 

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Would you agree that DeM was working for US Intel? I forget who made the very cogent point that he associated with high level figures his entire life, and the Oswalds were a notable exception. I used to believe he was being truthful in his book I Am a Patsy. But now I think everything he said and did is suspect, especially his so called friendship with Lee. So I discount his testimony in regards to the rifle and to Walker.

in regards to the book, shall we believe Haapanen? Is the book Military Order an official publication? I’d like to move beyond the questioning of the reality of the 488th.

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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Would you agree that DeM was working for US Intel? I forget who made the very cogent point that he associated with high level figures his entire life, and the Oswalds were a notable exception. I used to believe he was being truthful in his book I Am a Patsy. But now I think everything he said and did is suspect, especially his so called friendship with Lee. So I discount his testimony in regards to the rifle and to Walker.

in regards to the book, shall we believe Haapanen? Is the book Military Order an official publication? I’d like to move beyond the questioning of the reality of the 488th.

Paul,

 

 

It looks like you can pick up a used copy for about $12.50

The Military Order of World Wars
By Turner Publishing Company Staff, Military Order of World Wars
Published by Turner Publishing Company, 1995
ISBN 1563111845, 9781563111846
208 pages

 

Admiral George C. Dyer was the author of MOWW – Its First Fifty Years.

https://www.amazon.com/Military-Order-World-Turner-Publishing/dp/1563111845

 

As far as DeM goes, I think I would classify him as an asset. His "walking tour" of Mexico down to the Panama Canal at the time of the Bay of Pigs is suspicious; so is his move to Haiti at a time when serious thought was being given to overthrowing the government of Haiti.

 

I read the other day that his wife Jeanne was business partners with Abraham Zapruder.

 

Lately, I've become interested in the role that uranium mining might play in the JFK story. I'm not a geologist, but uranium deposits seem to be found near oil fields. I lived in that Rangely, CO. area for a while, so I had a personal interest in DeMohrenschildt's comings and goings. When I read that D.H. Byrd sold his interests in Byrd Oil and used the money to found Byrd Uranium, my ears perked up. Whey would a person give up the lucrative money of big oil to invest in uranium? You have to figure that in the later 50's and early 60's, uranium would have to be a pretty hot commodity.

 

There's a woman named Linda Minor, who writes a blog called, Quixotic Joust. She explored the topic of uranium exploration among rich Dallasites here:

http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2011/06/other-uranium-explorers-in-texas-in.html

“Other Uranium Explorers in Texas in the 1950's “

She talks about the shadowy Dallas Uranium and Oil Company in the Dal-Tex building, and more.

 

It's intriguing.

 

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Purchased just now. Thanks

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14 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Purchased just now. Thanks

Paul,

 

When you get it, please let me know if there is an entry for George Whitmeyer.

 

Thanks,

 

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On 6/9/2018 at 3:26 AM, Steve Thomas said:

Paul,

 

When you get it, please let me know if there is an entry for George Whitmeyer.

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Thomas

No Whitmeyer, no Brandstetter. Crichton and Lumpkin were both members of MOWW, listed as Colonels. Crichton has a short bio. He commanded a Strategic Intelligence Unit, but no dates given and no further identification. 

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Charles Waters:

 

Posted by Ed Ledoux in the Reopen the Kennedy Case Forum on May 11, 2018

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1759-library-card-clues

 


http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/G%20Disk/Garrison%20Jim/Garrison%20Jim%20Early%20Statements%20Open%20Leads%2011-14-67/Item%2001.pdf
32.

 

Dalzell,

“William Dalzell has admitted to me that he formed Friends of Democratic Cuba as well as the Free Voice of Latin America. This is:an extremely intelligent man who apparently was very much involved with the CIA in the early 1960's, although he will make no such admission. He states that the name Joseph Moore is very familiar to him and such 7-10- a person may have been connected with Friends of Democratic Cuba -- but he cannot place the individual. He did state also, however, that one Charles Waters was very active with the organization. The description of Charles Waters at the time describes a youngish man, rather slim with somewhat blond hair. It is entirely possible that Charles Waters used the name Oswald in soliciting bids for trucks at Bolton Ford. It is to be noted that-there is a Charles Waters who is now employed in Dallas by H. L. Hunt and who seems to be a right-hand man to Hunt's assistant, Paul Rothermell. One of Charles Water's last comments here in New Orleans was to the effect that "Everything is lined up in Dallas" and that he was going to go to Dallas. We should attempt to obtain a driving license photograph of Charles Waters. This photograph should be shown.to the Bolton Ford people and added to our photograph file. 33. In connection with Friends of Democratic Cuba and the activity of the early 1960's, Grady Durham's name keeps coming up. He was, for example, the individual who drew up the papers for the charter of that organization. Anyone going to Washington on any office project should also make arrangements to see Grady Durham and interview him in this regard. We have his address available.”

 

Posted by Ed Ledoux in the Reopen the Kennedy Case Forum on May 16, 2018

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1759-library-card-clues

 

 

Christopher Courtwright, "The Strange Allegations of Raymond Carnay", Kennedy Assassination Chronicles, Volume 2, Issue 3, p. 19.
Carnay's odyssey began when he received a call from Charlie Waters, who described himself as "vice-commander of the anti-Castro revolutionary forces in the Western Hemisphere" and that he was in Dallas "recruiting pilots" for "flying harassment raids over Cuba". He met with the Oswald-type character in person three times over 7-9 days and several follow-up phone calls. "How could the Oswald impostor have known in the first place that Carnay had turned a list of names and other information over to the FBI? Was someone in intelligence circles testing Carnay's loyalties by sending in a straw man to pose as a Castro advocate? A similar story to Carnay's is told to Jim Garrison by William Galzell, the head of Friends of Democratic Cuba in New Orleans. In 1961, Jim Moore was purchasing trucks for the FDC and documents were signed by Moore and a man called Lee Oswald. When asked before the grand jury, Galzell said that "Colonel" Charles Watters was working with Joseph Moore and he could tell Garrison all about Moore. http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1179&search=moore#relPageId=17&tab=page Waters treated the group as a "hangout for arms and ammunition". See 124-10288-10389: Like Carnay, Dalzell describes Waters to the FBI as a "lieutenant colonel in the Western Hemisphere". See 124-10288-10389, p. 47 of 59: Dalzell was not a marginalized character - in the 50s he worked for DOD as a cryptographer.

 

 

 

Posted by Ed Ledoux in the Reopen the Kennedy Case Forum on May 16, 2018

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1759-library-card-clues

 

This comes from a memorandum on an interview with members of the 30th of November group dated March 8, 1962.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=112691&relPageId=2&search=%22Charles_Waters%22

 

 

 

 

Possible arms sale involving Charles Waters in April, 1961

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=76769&search=%22Charles_Waters%22#relPageId=18&tab=page

and

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=76766&relPageId=30&search=%22Charles_Waters%22

For the short period of time of its subsequent existence, the Friends of Democratic Cuba, Inc. was headed by Charles Waters.”

 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=112690&relPageId=2&search=%22Charles_Waters%22

Charles Waters was interviewed by SA James Hosty in March, 1962 in connection with the 30th of November group. Hosty told Waters that the FBI “was not condoning his activities and would not recommend any action in this matter on his part.”

 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=76763&search=%22Charles_Waters%22#relPageId=2&tab=page

 

Charles Waters appears at the Dallas FBI office on May 15 and August 3, 1961 and tells them of his activities with the “Liberation Forces of the Western Hemisphere” and the “Democratic Revolutionary Front.” “On 11/12/64, Charles Waters, then employed as fleet manager, Johnson Chrysler, Plymouth Corporation, 5311 Lemon Ave., Dallas, informed CIA representative, James Walton Moore (protect identity), at Dallas, that he had been contacted by a friend of his, Donald Sparks, with whom he had worked on the “Free Cuba Committee”, with an invitation to Waters to come in with him in the selling of military equipment to anti-Castro groups.”

 

At the time of his original visit to the Dallas office in May, 1961, Waters stated that he had served in the U.S. Marine Corps from 1951 to 1959 and from 1954 to 1957 had been a Marine Corps Guard at the U.S. Embassy at Montevideo, Uruguay. He claimed to hold a top secret clearance. He said he later served in the Marine Corps Intelligence. He furnished his serial number as 122-37-48.”

 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=93881&relPageId=28&search=%22Charles_Waters%22

 

William Wayne Dalzell, New Orleans, LA, advised that while in telephonic contact with Charles Waters, Dallas, Texas, on 6/7/61, he learned that Waters was a Lieutenant Colonel in the “Liberation Forces of the Western Hemisphere”(105-99586).”

 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=76769&search=%22Charles_Waters%22#relPageId=8&tab=page

 

FBI Memorandum of June 6, 1961 re: William Dalzell

pp 6- 8:

Charles Waters given as a source for supply military equipment and automatic weapons.

 

Steve Thomas

 

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This has been the subject of two straight Lancer presentations for me.  Charles Waters, I am rather confident, was involved with one if not two Oswald impersonations prior to the assassination, including the infamous Bolton Ford impersonation.  He becomes even more suspicious as he worked at one point (no earlier than 1962) as a car salesman at Mohr Chevrolet, which happens to be marked (although there is some controversy about it) on Oswald's Dallas map and at another car dealership that happened to be right at the corner where Oswald was dropped off by the cab driver on 11/22/63.  Mohr Chevrolet is interesting because it connects, indirectly, to the library card found (supposedly) in Oswald's wallet.  The latter was the actual focus of the presentations.

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3 hours ago, Stu Wexler said:

This has been the subject of two straight Lancer presentations for me.  Charles Waters, I am rather confident, was involved with one if not two Oswald impersonations prior to the assassination, including the infamous Bolton Ford impersonation.  He becomes even more suspicious as he worked at one point (no earlier than 1962) as a car salesman at Mohr Chevrolet, which happens to be marked (although there is some controversy about it) on Oswald's Dallas map and at another car dealership that happened to be right at the corner where Oswald was dropped off by the cab driver on 11/22/63.  Mohr Chevrolet is interesting because it connects, indirectly, to the library card found (supposedly) in Oswald's wallet.  The latter was the actual focus of the presentations.

Stu,

 

Do you happen to know off the top of your head, the exact period of time when Oswald and Jack Bowen's employment at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall overlapped?

Yesterday, I was musing to myself about that "missing two weeks" in Oswald's life from October 19 - November 3, 1962 when nobody in Oswald's life knew where he was living, and wondered if it was possible he was staying with Bowen.

 

Steve Thomas

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