Oswald was not in MC

[James DiEugenio]

Paul:

The indications are that they are lying.

I have a CIA report from 11/23/63  on the phone communications at the Soviet Embassy.  Not one mention of Oswald being at that embassy.

Pretty incredible.

My idea about all this KGB endorsing of CIA legends is that I agree with Amy Wright, the illustrious Russian scholar.  She does not come out and say it, but she suggests that once the USSR started to crumble, and money got scarce, a lot of these guys decided, heck, there is no USSR anymore, Yeltsin is a drunken buffoon who is selling off the country anyway, so why not curry favor with the Brits and Americans and maybe make some money overtly and covertly.

 And the Anglo/Americans were all too eager to oblige.  And boy did the former Russians do all they could to give the Americans what they wanted.  There were literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table to be made.  And that was just overtly.

Edited January 19 by James DiEugenio

[Paul Brancato]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Paul:

The indications are that they are lying.

I have a CIA report from 11/23/63  on the phone communications at the Soviet Embassy.  Not one mention of Oswald being at that embassy.

Pretty incredible.

My idea about all this KGB endorsing of CIA legends is that I agree with Amy Wright, the illustrious Russian scholar.  She does not come out and say it, but she suggests that once the USSR started to crumble, and money got scarce, a lot of these guys decided, heck, there is no USSR anymore, Yeltsin is a drunken buffoon who is selling off the country anyway, so why not curry favor with the Brits and Americans and maybe make some money overtly and covertly.

 And the Anglo/Americans were all too eager to oblige.  And boy did the former Russians do all they could to give the Americans what they wanted.  There were literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table to be made.  And that was just overtly.

That makes logical sense. I have a feeling that there was Deep State Military/industrial (big money) collusion decades earlier, and that when Krushchev referred to his own ‘hardliners’ he was pointing the finger in that direction. Vince Salandria even opined that the conspiracy to kill JFK may have included elements from both US and Soviet Intelligence. 

Edited January 19 by Paul Brancato

[James DiEugenio]

I think that was the plot of the movie The Package with Tommy Lee Jones and Gene Hackman.

[Pamela Brown]

Of course, KGB went out of their way some time ago to present their version of LHO in MC: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/980873.Passport_to_Assassination

[Sandy Larsen]

22 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:

Of course, KGB went out of their way some time ago to present their version of LHO in MC: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/980873.Passport_to_Assassination

And sadly David Lifton has fallen for some of this misinformation. Unless I misunderstood what he wrote in some posts on this forum.

 

[Pamela Brown]

On 1/20/2019 at 11:57 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

And sadly David Lifton has fallen for some of this misinformation. Unless I misunderstood what he wrote in some posts on this forum.

 

Odd.  I tend to consider Lifton to be discerning about his sources.  Could you point me to that thread?  

Lifton resisted going down the rabbit trail of the Fetzer/Weldon "t-+t" hole in the limo windshield, which I found impressive. At that time, he was publishing an essay in a book with Fetzer and, I have no doubt, under a lot of pressure. Lifton was also the one who clued me in on Judyth being a fake.  I appreciated that as well.  

On the other hand, Lifton has yet to acknowledge my viewing a copy of the Zapruder film(s) in NYC in 1964, which I find disappointing, as I consider this to be of great significance. Others who have knowledge of this viewing and are still living refuse to talk about it.  

Edited January 22 by Pamela Brown

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Pamela Brown said:

On 1/20/2019 at 10:57 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

And sadly David Lifton has fallen for some of this misinformation. Unless I misunderstood what he wrote in some posts on this forum.

 

Odd.  I tend to consider Lifton to be discerning about his sources.  Could you point me to that thread?  

Lifton resisted going down the rabbit trail of the Fetzer/Weldon "t-+t" hole in the limo windshield, which I found impressive. At that time, he was publishing an essay in a book with Fetzer and, I have no doubt, under a lot of pressure. Lifton was also the one who clued me in on Judyth being a fake.  I appreciated that as well.  

On the other hand, Lifton has yet to acknowledge my viewing a copy of the Zapruder film(s) in NYC in 1964, which I find disappointing, as I consider this to be of great significance. Others who have knowledge of this viewing and are still living refuse to talk about it.

 

Pamela,

Here is a good example of Lifton accepting as fact a KGB agent's story of Oswald in Mexico City:

 

BTW, I'm fascinated by your viewing of the Z film. Do you actually know others or remember the names of others who also saw the film at the time? You say that those still living refuse to talk about it. Did some who are now dead ever talk about it?

 

[Pamela Brown]

3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Pamela,

Here is a good example of Lifton accepting as fact a KGB agent's story of Oswald in Mexico City:

 

BTW, I'm fascinated by your viewing of the Z film. Do you actually know others or remember the names of others who also saw the film at the time? You say that those still living refuse to talk about it. Did some who are now dead ever talk about it?

 

Thank you for that link; Lifton does definitely promote the Nicheporenko book.  I find that disappointing.  

As far as my viewing of the Zapruder, I have been on a quest -- once I realized how extraordinary this was -- to track down everything I can find about it.  When I began to put my 2013 NID presentation together (Midnight Blue to Black) I managed to locate the woman who went with me to the Charles Theater. I hoped she would make a statement that I could include in the presentation.  However, when I spoke to her by phone, she seemed frightened and refused to discuss it.  

A fairly well-known  person who was a NYC theater manager at that time came to my aid when I was tracking down the theater, -- I provided the description of what I recalled that included the interior of the theater and the general location which he was able to confirm, but he refuses to let me talk about him and his experiences.

Here is a link to the theater: http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/6017/photos/36029

I also contacted Mark Lane and asked for his help, as he was active in NYC at that time, but did not hear anything from him.  I have posted on this Cinema Treasures website asking for anyone who saw the film to contact me, but, as yet, to no avail.  And so, this fascinating quest goes on...

 

Edited January 23 by Pamela Brown

[Pamela Brown]

On 1/19/2019 at 1:27 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Paul:

The indications are that they are lying.

I have a CIA report from 11/23/63  on the phone communications at the Soviet Embassy.  Not one mention of Oswald being at that embassy.

Pretty incredible.

My idea about all this KGB endorsing of CIA legends is that I agree with Amy Wright, the illustrious Russian scholar.  She does not come out and say it, but she suggests that once the USSR started to crumble, and money got scarce, a lot of these guys decided, heck, there is no USSR anymore, Yeltsin is a drunken buffoon who is selling off the country anyway, so why not curry favor with the Brits and Americans and maybe make some money overtly and covertly.

 And the Anglo/Americans were all too eager to oblige.  And boy did the former Russians do all they could to give the Americans what they wanted.  There were literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table to be made.  And that was just overtly.

Well, then, where did Mr. Hosty get his information about LHO being in MC? Wasn't that from CIA?  

[Sandy Larsen]

53 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:

Thank you for that link; Lifton does definitely promote the Nicheporenko book.  I find that disappointing.  

As far as my viewing of the Zapruder, I have been on a quest -- once I realized how extraordinary this was -- to track down everything I can find about it.  When I began to put my 2013 NID presentation together (Midnight Blue to Black) I managed to locate the woman who went with me to the Charles Theater. I hoped she would make a statement that I could include in the presentation.  However, when I spoke to her by phone, she seemed frightened and refused to discuss it.  

A fairly well-known  person who was a NYC theater manager at that time came to my aid when I was tracking down the theater, -- I provided the description of what I recalled that included the interior of the theater and the general location which he was able to confirm, but he refuses to let me talk about him and his experiences. I also contacted Mark Lane and asked for his help, as he was active in NYC at that time, but did not hear anything from him.  I have posted on a website for old NYC theaters asking for anyone who saw the film to contact me, but, as yet, to no avail.  And so, this fascinating quest goes on...

 

 

Thanks for sharing that, Pamela. At least you were able to find the person who went with you. And though she wouldn't confirm what you'd seen, I think her silence says a lot.

 

[Steve Thomas]

18 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

On the other hand, Lifton has yet to acknowledge my viewing a copy of the Zapruder film(s) in NYC in 1964, which I find disappointing, as I consider this to be of great significance. Others who have knowledge of this viewing and are still living refuse to talk about it.  

Pam,

 

Do you think this is the same version that

Rich Della Rosa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrRbkY9gEnQ

and

William Reymond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSdyqDBTpeo

said they saw?

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

[James DiEugenio]

Pamela,

To this day the CIA says that Oswald was in MC.  And they will tell everyone that.

Even though the evidence trail indicates they could not find a trace of him. 

[Larry Hancock]

This should prompt an interesting revisit of where Oswald was if he was not in MC according to the official story....where was he and what was he doing?   As I recall at one point he told Marina he had been in Houston job hunting...Houston anyone?

[Michael Cross]

3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Pam,

 

Do you think this is the same version that

Rich Della Rosa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrRbkY9gEnQ

and

William Reymond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSdyqDBTpeo

said they saw?

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

I'm wondering that as well.  Greg Burnham has seen it as well.

Pamela?

[David Josephs]

17 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

Well, then, where did Mr. Hosty get his information about LHO being in MC? Wasn't that from CIA?  

Pam, Jeff Woosley of INS was a contact for Hosty...  they all knew the CIA was lying very early on....

if you’ve seen any of my MX stuff you know all of Nov was spent trying to find him