JFK Research in 2005

[Dawn Meredith]

Happy New Year to all

I'd like to interview Specter, Dallas police officers- (more later on this), Ford, Marnia and daughters, (for some legal action) .

There is no dispute re the fingerprint: The latent was found on 6th floor on a box, not able to be id'd.

A deep cover researcher< (and close friend of mine)- obtained same from Nat'l archives. He also obtained the known prints of Mac Wallace from Austin dept of Public Safety. They were given "blind" to certified print expert Nathan Darby- (also a close friend of mine, as a result of this, since 97). As Nathan tells it, he thought it was "some family matter X was asking him to take a look at". And study he did. And made the match.

Now noone can get a copy of the known prints from DPS due to the way Glen Sample handled obtaining same. Sample is the co author of The Men on the Sixth Floor". He had two so called "print men" in CA. compare them- (NOT EXPERTS LIKE NATHAN),- and it's my understanding, it was not given to them "blind". They concluded there was no match. (Sample has since met with Nathan and is now convinced that there is a match). When Sample got the DPS prints he had "no case to which to attach it", so now as a result, NO ONE can get these prints., "except a member of the family of Mac Wallace" Barr McClellan cannot even get them now. BUT, there is good news on this issue, but that's from another source. He will post (again) when it's time.

A second print expert in Tx. also made a match but then got scared and did not wish to be associated with this in any manner.

Sorry, noone can bring a wrongful death action re LHO, there is a two year statue of limitations.

The only way this case can come to court is for the Dallas DA to convene a grand jury. I wrote him a letter to this effect last year. He did not respond. Of course we also need a defendant. (I was writing him concerning Mac Wallace stuff, but Mac's been dead for many years).

There are researchers persuring the Grand Jury issue tho. Will find out who. As it's slipped my mind.

Dawn

[Richard J. Smith]

"There are researchers persuring the Grand Jury issue tho. Will find out who. As it's slipped my mind."

Bill Kelly in New Jersey. He was to give an update on his progress at NID but couldn't make it.

RJS

[Don Jeffries]

Happy New Year to all from the U.S. The first two witnesses I would love to interview would be Ruth and Michael Paine, who are both still alive and, IMHO, very crucial to understanding the framing of Oswald. Another living witness who undoubtedly knows something is James Hosty, although he's spoken out a lot and is probably not going to tell the truth regardless. I would like to really grill Eugene Boone about the finding of the rifle on the 6th floor, and why both he and Seymour Weitzman signed sworn affidavits identifying it as a German Mauser. I have mentioned a fascination with Weitzman before, and I would also like to speak to any llving relatives who could add some first hand knowledge about what he was experiencing behind the scenes in his personal life in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.

I have learned a great deal about the personal impact on the families of those connected to the assassination through my friendship with Dean Andrews III, son of the New Orleans attorney whose WC testimony started Garrison down the Clay Shaw path. I still hope to meet his mother, who is stil alive but, according to Dean, very reluctant to talk about any of this stuff. Dean and I have become good friends, and he is going to try to introduce me to the son of FBI agent Regis Blahut, whom he knows pretty well, to see if he can offer any interesting personal anecdotes. With so many of the witnesses dead, contacting their children or spouses may provide us with some great insight, if not actual eyewitness testimony. Along these lines, Mark Oakes has communicated with the widow of Buddy Walthers (in addition to his large number of wonderful interviews with people in Dallas) and she sounds like she'd have a lot a of interesting things to say. As I understand it, however, she's been reluctant to come on camera thus far. How are things going on that, Mark? Keep up the good work!

If I had one wish, however, in connection with this case, I would like to have a personal audience with Ted Kennedy or Caroline Kennedy, to thoroughly brief them on the subject. Of course, I know it's extremely naive to think that they aren't aware of at least some of the more publicized controversies surrounding the assassination, but I guess to personally illuminate them is a fantasy many of us share. Failing that, it would be very nice to see Caroline Kennedy or some other prominent member of the Kennedy clan break silence and speak out about the assassinations of JFK and RFK. One impassioned public speech from any of them would be worth more than all of our collective research.

As for other living persons who should be interviewed, I believe E.Howard Hunt is still alive. I'm sure he'd be unlikely to be candid about anything, but he should be deposed in any new investigation. I think Bill Moyers probably knows a lot more than he's saying. The same goes for Jack Valenti, although he'd be even less likely to reveal anything significant.

[Robert E. Cox]

let me make a wish: that through the efforts of the research community, 2005 will show significant progress toward a resolution of the Crime of the (20th) Century.

In that regard, perhaps we could post our thoughts on research avenues that still need exploring. 

Tim: Great idea. Also to be wished for, I think, is a discussion about what to do with all this research. What's the purpose? How do we move forward with what has been uncovered in the four decades since the murder and cause some meaningful investigation to seek reasonable answers?

On that topic, I posted an essay last November, entitled "Just Where Do We Go From Here?" It was prompted, among other things, by questions that had been asked by a young American, Alana Collins, and an interesting proposal she had made to Cyril Wecht.

Here's a snippet from that essay: "There are many of us for whom Alana Collins has spoken: We believe that something needs to result from all this research. We believe the conspiracy research community needs to end the childish squabbling and get its act together. We believe we should move as one force to get something done."

I won't post the full essay here. The complete version will be found at http://www.grassyknollgazette.com/wherenow.dwt.

I hope that it might add something to this discussion.

Happy New Year, all.

Bob

[John Geraghty]

lets get contacting.

i find www.whitepages.com to be good in locating people if you know the general area in which they live.

john

[Dave Weaver]

I wish you all a happy new year .

May 2005 be a good year for you and your family.

My areas of interrest are very wide, but here are some things I hope we can find out more about:

1) The space race and how Oswald eventualy was involved in a secret

program to monitor and spy on the USSR's space efforts.

In my mind this is still somehow overlooked.

The US had placed radar specialists into the USSR,what was that programm's name, who did overview it, are there known agents

still alive and ready to talk ?

Oswald did photograph military installations if I remember right,

what installations, and had they anything to do with space.

2)George DeMohrenschild and his brother Dimitri, the white Russian's

in the USA and especialy Dallas, their connections to remnants of the

3'rd Reich and the ultra conservative circles and mainplayers in the US

and intelligence agencies.

Quote George DeMohrenschild "Lee was like a son or like one of my soldiers for me..."

A soldier for what army ?

3) Israel's mossad and if he played a role in the assasination,

as I think one can not rule that out.

Possible motive here, the israely atomic programm.

See how far the circles go nowadays, we had the USA,Israel and

France together with parts of the Palastinians getting rid of

Arrafat (my opinion).

Or do you think it was just a coincidence that Arrafat died when he died.

So we still have to look at all directions, there are pr's and contra's,

but as long as the case is open, almost every theory (well no not

the Alien's of course) should be regarded as worth looking in.

Also,

did you know that german chancelor Adenauer did only narrowly

escape an assasination attempt by a secret israely group in 1952.

This attempt in was keept a secret by all sides, in order to

not endanger the german-israely relations, although the members

of that group were known and some of them were caught only

to be left off the hook.

Finaly Luciane Goldberg (?) of Monicagate fame, her tracks go

back to Oswald and she is probably a CIA member.

By the Goldberg example I mean, we should try and see

what person's carreer's looked like that had anything

to do in the jfk assasination, what path did they take

afterwards, did their names surface in any other

political or criminal scandal as whistleblower's, witnesses

or just as persons commenting on it.

Some of the persons I would like to see interviewed about their "real" knowledge:

Fidel Castro

George Bush sr.

The sister of Jacky Kennedy Onassis, if still alive.

Ellen Rometsch

Thomas Masen

Gerald Patrick Hemming, about his work at Klein's

Jack Edwin Dougherty (I think he is dead), or any close family members

Gerhard Frey

And I would be very interrested what the german BND

and other foreign agencies have in his files relating to the assasination.

Edited December 31, 2004 by Dave Weaver

[Nic Martin]

Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis' sister, Lee Radziwill, IS still alive.

[Dawn Meredith]

Hi ! 

Happy New Year to all Members!

I would like to know the real reasons why Sam Pate (and buddies) has done a re-creation of the well known K-Box tape !!!

"it…it…it appears as though something has happened in the motorcade route…something…I repeat has happened in the motorcade…there are numerous people running up the hill alongside Elm Street there by Stemmons…several police officers are rushing up the hill at this time…standby…just a moment please."

In fact, the K-Box tape(s) were sized by the FBI the day of the assassination!

The well known K-BOX tape cannot be used in research purpose!!! 

On 22nd November, 1963, Sam Pate used an omnidirectional microphone (ambiant sounds are perfectly audible), therefore, the shots should be (more than probably) recorded on the original tape. 

However, there is no supersonic blast (shots) audible on the "extant" K-Box tape. 

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I wrote a long post on this topic and saw the preview, but it's not posted.

confused????

Dawn

[Dawn Meredith]

Opps, now it is posted.

E Howard Hunt gave an interview I believe to Slate mag. I have it around someplace and it was discussed on an earlier thread on this forum.

Lucianne Goldberg is definately one to look into. She actually goes back to LBJ, worked in his press office, according to "The Men On the Sixth Floor" (Sample and Collom). I googled her day before yesterday to be sure of this, as there was no cite for this in the book.

She's CIA for sure, dirty tricks up the wazoo., inho

Dawn

[Jack White]

Great posting Tim. I think it is a good idea if we can make some sort of joint commitment to do our best to come up with some understanding of the events surrounding the assassination of JFK.

We will never agree about different aspects of this (Tim and I are good examples of this), but if we try hard enough we should also be able to work together in an harmonious way.  We should also use the forum to help each other in our research.

I think it would be a good idea to use this thread to map out our main areas of research. Here are mine:

LBJ and the Democratic Party in Texas (1930-1968)

The Military Industrial Complex (1940-1968)

The Texas Oilmen (1900-1968)

Bobby Baker and Political Corruption (1950-1963)

Suite 8F Group

I also agree that we should also draw up a list of people who need to be interviewed about the case. Here is my list:

Bobby Baker

Don Reynolds (if still alive)

Grant Stockdale (son of Grant Stockdale)

Ann Stockdale (daughter of Grant Stockdale)

Bernard Barker

Virgilio Gonzalez

Eugenio Martinez,

Gerry P. Hemming

William Seymour

Howard K. Davis

Antonio Veciana

Bernardo De Torres

Helen Burke (someone who provided me with some interesting information but then cut off contact).

I would like to see all active members post on this thread. It will give us some idea of how many there are involved in this joint investigation.

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John asked me to post my areas of JFK study and interests. Here is my reply:

1. I no longer initiate NEW RESEARCH in the JFK case, since

I long ago have covered all aspects which interest me. There

is very little new to be discovered, and I do not like to

retread the same trail.

2. I study the entire case, with special interest in photography.

3. My special areas of expertise are backyard photos, MC rifle

and bullets, Badgeman/Moorman, identity of LHO, CIA, Zapruder film,

and all other films and photos.

4. My areas of least interest are Cubans, Mafia, most documents and

several other things.

5. My areas of ACTIVE RESEARCH, which are all part of the same

corrupt government activity, include the misdeeds of 9-11, the

Apollo moon photo hoax, the bombing of the Murrah Building, the

downing of TWA 800, UFO coverup, etc. The JFK case is only a minuscule

part of a much larger ongoing malfeasance by essentially the same

corrupt group.

Jack

[James Richards]

I agree with John's list, as well as yours. Duran is critical, and may be one who would eventually tell what he knows(albeit on his deathbed). Most however, will not talk, and a few, well, as you said, safety first. (Richard J. Smith)

Hi Richard,

It seems that you and I are about the only ones who recognize how important Duran may be. I honestly believe that he may eventually speak regarding the assassination.

Regarding John's request to list my areas of interest in researching JFK's murder, I would have to say that it primarily lies within the photographic and film record. I am aware of the existence of certain photographs and films that will help clear up a lot of current discussion about how things went down. I am hunting this evidence down which can be a frustrating task.

I am also interested in the teams that were employed for Dealey Plaza, their coordinators and the planners.

FWIW.

James

[Tim Gratz]

A few more names:

Ruth Paine (I am sure she knows more than she has said so far)

Billie Sol Estes (has never replied to my emails)

Ron Pataky (has never replied to my emails)

Norman Redlich (has never replied to my emails)

Harris Wofford (JFK aide who might know more than he has said so far)

Theodore Sorenson (JFK aide who might know more than he has said so far)

Dick Billings (currently unwilling to answer my questions)

G. Robert Blakey (currently unwilling to answer my questions)

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Good names. How about Marina Porter too?

[Larry Hancock]

Great thread Tim; as per some of my thoughts for very specific research that still needs to be done, here goes:

Areas for research…

John Martino’s telephone records for October and November of 1963 – unfortunately BellSouth tells us no records of that age still exist. Question

is, is that really true?

The new CIA document releases offer a huge opportunity; one area of special interest is all the JMWAVE summary and operational reports – which include JMWAVE’s own surveillance (using special exile shadow teams) on targeted exiles.

Private files (possibly donated to Universities) of the media people who covered Cuban and exile activities circa 1963, these include notebooks and photos. If there were resources this should also be extended to media coverage of exile activities in Mexico City.

Contact with the Division 5 FBI staff, Secret Service staff and Police Dept Intelligence staff who monitored exiles in Dallas, New Orleans and Miami – possibly fruitless but by this time they might be willing to talk about any suspicions they had at the time. Especially if researchers did enough homework to give them a briefing book on the doubts, concerns and issues raised by a host of FBI and Secret Service employees to date. These folks need to know that they would not be the first ones to start talking about things they saw that they still wonder about. This could also be extended to all the personnel on AF1 and AF2 ….non-Secret service personnel.

Locating the Roselli FBI and organized crime surveillance files for the last six months of 1963.

Background research on Al Gruber in Los Angeles; Gruber represents the key link to who was actually controlling Ruby before the assassination and the following weekend.

Contact with Earl Goltz and development of the box of Ruby-Oswald evidence that was turned over to the DPD and viewed by officers Cash, Preston, Callaham, Keene and Stockard as well as by Wade.

Investigation of the Harrelson trial records to determine the dates and people involved in the exile gun sales scam he was involved with in Florida.

Investigation of the series of names and companies given by Holt as to their being actual CIA front companies connected to Domestic Operations and Tracy Barnes in 1963.

....all of these are real challengies and are definitely not the sort of research

that can be done on the internet; I'm afraid it would require people in the

field and probably some significant expense. But since you asked...grin...

[Larry Hancock]

I'd like to share two other thoughts in response to Tim's original questions.

First, I think that in approaching individuals who have never gone on

the record or those who did at a point in time when the official story was

the only way to go without putting your reputation or career at risk, it would

be very desirable to create a "briefing book". This book would essentially

be a list of FBI agents, Medical Personnel, Secret Service agents and other

investigators or witnesses who eventually decided to either express their

doubts in the official investigation, to share the fact that they had either been

ordered to ignore or manage information or to actually discuss instances

in which information had been witheld or destroyed.

After starting with Hosty, Siebert, Oneil, Burkley and others I think this could

be a very valuable project to create a resource to help people know they would

not be "going it alone" and also as a background document for legal staff

working on grand jury or court of inquiry filings. In line with that I would say

such a briefing document should be shared with all the living Oswald family.

I'd also like to note that the key element in really getting either started is to offer concrete testimony or evidence which was not reviewed as part of any initial investigation. That was the approach that was used successfully in the Henry

Marshall situation as related to Billy Sol Estes.

Second, a research group could join Bill Kelley's grand jury effort by working on a specific background document listing instances where evidence was suppressed, managed or simply not presented.....and which would counter the evidentiary conclusions presented to the WC by the FBI and DPD. We have all seen lots of posts and lots of instances of this but it needs to be collected and vetted to put it into shape in order to support any potential legal opportunities. Its great

to make lists of names that we would like to see talk but personally I doubt that

very many in the "suspect" or "guilty knowledge" category are going to fess up at this point in time. On the other hand a couple of well documented briefing books as outlined above could go a long way to documenting the case for a cover-up (which is really the strongest case we have now in my opinion).

-- Happy New Year everyone

[Tim Gratz]

let me make a wish: that through the efforts of the research community, 2005 will show significant progress toward a resolution of the Crime of the (20th) Century.

In that regard, perhaps we could post our thoughts on research avenues that still need exploring.  

Tim: Great idea. Also to be wished for, I think, is a discussion about what to do with all this research. What's the purpose? How do we move forward with what has been uncovered in the four decades since the murder and cause some meaningful investigation to seek reasonable answers?

On that topic, I posted an essay last November, entitled "Just Where Do We Go From Here?" It was prompted, among other things, by questions that had been asked by a young American, Alana Collins, and an interesting proposal she had made to Cyril Wecht.

Here's a snippet from that essay: "There are many of us for whom Alana Collins has spoken: We believe that something needs to result from all this research. We believe the conspiracy research community needs to end the childish squabbling and get its act together. We believe we should move as one force to get something done."

I won't post the full essay here. The complete version will be found at http://www.grassyknollgazette.com/wherenow.dwt.

I hope that it might add something to this discussion.

Happy New Year, all.

Bob

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Thanks! I'm looking forward to reading it and agree with you that something needs to be done with the research (once it has been completed).