David Josephs

It indeed was used as proof Paul... It was made out to LEE, Harvey Oswald... H.O. LEE was how it was used on the return trip... Signed Lee Oswald.... What we find though, was when the FM-11 master list was compiled, Mr. LEE was filed under "O" for Oswald. We also find problems with the stamps, those working at the border, and a whole host of other things which make this document suspect as a creation... I also go into the evidence about GAUDET at the Consulate to get the VISA (his #24084) ... he fabricates a story of what occurred that conflicts with the few non-CIA assets there that morning. #99 was stamped on the front of the VISA - you can see it above and to the left of the "24" This is the detailed listing for the FM-11... he was given #99 based on the alphabetizing... 97. M 98. O' 99. O swald 100. P There's more of course... that's some of the story related to that Visa... DJ

I've seen, read and commented within that thread... another attempt - this time Tommy Graves.... to get some attention and traction for posts at which no one would otherwise look twice. I wonder if Tracy or Greg or the others would have even known 1% of these things had it not been for the 10 years of research John put in... As for the newest documents being - how'd you put it? right - a big turd... I expect nothing less from you Mike... you wouldn't even know what to look for or have the awareness IF anything was new or not... you simply don't know nor care to find out... It doesn't dawn on you that the time and effort I put into the other work - which you seem to find palatable - was also put into H&L? It doesn't dawn on you that H&L at its core makes Parker's and Tracy's work irrelevant - there is a vested interest in proving it wrong... John could care less whether you accept it, understand it or even look at it... you don't know John yet feel it in your right to abuse his work... pathetic. ======================================= Again, I appreciate the work Jeff put into it... but there are some simple assumptions he makes which preclude him from coming to any other conclusion... What does he say about film 0184 and the film sent to Rowley... 0184 does not appear in either article What becomes of the Rowley film ? Since this is part 2 of his work, maybe in part 1? The ROWLEY copy of the film, in DC Friday night after midnight and then gone to history allows over 20 hours before it gets to Dino and almost 50 hours before Homer. Somehow, Mr. Carter did not include discussion of the Rowley Copy and what occurs between Zapruder, Schwartz, Max Phillips and Sorrells... I'm curious how one can conclude there was no time to alter the film when the one film that was actually in Washington DC that night is not discussed? Any ideas Mike - or should I just talk to Jeff as you haven't the first clue how to answer me since you've done none of the work? Real problem here is you know just enough to be annoying but not enough to know you're wrong... So you make it every one else's problem. Real credit to the effort buddy... ---- As for the MATH RULES thread... do you really want me to count how many worthless posts you offered on that thread? You posted: "Uhh, your point, Chris? Just because you bought into what this surveyor wrote about in an interview written by Marrs doesn't make it so. Just like what Truly said about the "Oh, um, the limo almost rode up onto the curb" in his statement. Do you see that in the Towner film? I don't." You may think this thread is helping other researchers but it's not. It's moved into absurdist territory. " So says the JFK expert... what a joke. I wonder how is it that you are the first to criticize those areas for which you have the least understanding or exposure? You have this NEED to comment on things you know nothing about rather than ask a few questions and maybe learn something... Again thanks, you're a real credit to the effort....

Of course not.... I can chalk it up to a simple mistake as well.... and a mighty coincidence that this 201 file would be opened with HENRY and used to describe the Mr. Oswald in the cables. We do agree though that Angleton and Egerter could have had a reason for entering HENRY on the 201... I also understand that most 201 files have a secret counterpart which contains files not allowed in the "public" one... "Public" to other CIA personnel that is. https://books.google.com/books?id=j7iN57YRRBIC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=agee+201+files&source=bl&ots=sn734I4CI9&sig=aui7MYRtIYMo7a8E8qhsmIQ13Sw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiO1JSm0enXAhUhqlQKHWoUAbkQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=agee 201 files&f=false News tended to get fact-checked... So I do find it somewhat strange.... the word "Henry" appears on his cards or prompter? IDK Yes, people make mistakes.... people also plan covert assassination...

Thanks Dave.... What significance do you attach to this - if any?

This is a tactic Mike... One used by Trump and his admin.... It's the "But what about what YOU do" argument... We're not talking about me here Mike... we're talking about you repeatedly posting an attack on John and his book without the understanding or qualifications to do so... So you read something by someone whose work hinges on there NOT being 2 men... and you take up the battle cry so, what... you'll be liked at ROKC? And then after your belittling... are you expecting anyone here to take what you post seriously? Agreeing to disagree is fine with me... offering blatantly incorrect analysis simply because the conclusion of others doesn't fit your needs is another thing. Yet you guys look at 1000 offered conclusions, pick a dozen and offer an alternative analysis... in some case very good alternatives to THAT conclusion... In your mind debunking 12 of a 1000 negates the other 988 - even before you've ever looked at them? Does that sound like a path the knowledge... or the cherry picking of a perceptibly easy target? ie... Harvey is in Ping Tung while Lee is in hospital for STDs... proven. You guys chalk it up to administrative mistakes... unless of course it HELPS your case... then the records are fine... Gorsky lied, Donovan lied, Felde lied, Marine Unit Diaries are all incorrect, John Ely is wrong, the list of men in Oswald's life that does not compute with Ely... There remains thousands of examples for which you'll need an alternate explanation... I see Tracy and Greg and others working hard at their alternatives... again, fine. What do YOU do Mike... other than comment of other people's work? Not that you have to do anything to have an opinion ala PT... yet if you actually did some of the source work maybe you wouldn't be so quick to criticize... As for my attacking those with whom I disagree.... you offer PT as example... PT doesn't offer anything but his opinions which conflict with the source material from which they are formed... He posts absolutes like - "No proof anywhere ever that Marina lied under oath"... and when I show him how wrong he is... he just keeps on posting.. no recusal, no explanation... just onto the next opinion from which there is no basis. So no Mike... everyone I disagree with who DOES NOT fail to offer even a shred of supporting evidence... I read into, check the sources and make a decision. The ignorance I refer to in your case is only that you feel qualified to belittle the work of someone else when you admit not having read the material in the first place... The ignorance I refer to in PT's case is his inability to incorporate proven fact into his opinions.. while still spouting the same conclusions Jeff Carter does amazing work. So do many contributors to the cause. You failed to mention David Healy who brought forth the means to alter years and years ago. Or Chris Davidson who has helped explain the survey charades perpetrated by the FBI and SS and how the alteration of CE884 was accomplished.... there are so many contributions to knowledge and discussion offered on these pages - yet you choose to spend a majority of your time criticizing that which you haven't read or even try to comprehend. "The Zapruder film is (most probably) an intact and authentic 8mm motion picture sequence." Jeff writes this as the first sentence. The Zfilm which is in the Archives contains numerous splices and does not have on it the "0183" identification punch holes... furthermore, these spliced together pieces add to more than 50% more film than a side of film contains... "INTACT" it is not. AUTHENTIC? How to prove Authenticity Mike? How could 0184 have been skipped? Why does Max Phillips refer to a 4th COPY being sent to Rowley? One of the most important question which has NEVER been answered: What did ROWLEY do with his copy of the film that night? Mike - how can anyone read that work and consider the writer ignorant? you can't. Neither can I.... but I'm allowed to disagree and state the reasons why... I don't belittle him, or his work... Paul, on the other hand derives his opinions and conclusions from thin air and hope. He presents and builds upon info which remains provably false. You, just spout off.... as if you've earned some right to do so.... and then give us a link or references to some rebuttal work that Tracy or Parker or one of the other ROKC minions has done... Do you know John Armstrong, personally, so you can make that statement without it sounding as uninformed as it does? How do you know enough to post the following about a "scam"... or "bloated fiction" when as you say, you didn't read it? Out of the blue, mean-spirited BS is all you seem to be able to offer on the subject.... that and a glimpse into an ignorance that knows no bounds. No worries Mike... been on these boards for 15 years and sadly have suffered worse fools... I've been wrong about things more times than you've been right.. and know that many use my work to gain a deeper and better understanding... We are seeing with the release of docs that my hypothesis about Oswald in Mexico is gaining authentication.... I worked extensively on those articles for over a year and continue to work and discover new things.... I firmly see that the CIA's auto evidence was also part of the charade.... If Oswald was flown into and out of Mexico Friday morning... ok... authenticate and we can incorporate it into the analysis Until then, one of THE pivotal events in the painting of Oswald as JFK assassin - was created, not experienced. I am currently trying to find out when the FBI's asset in the Immigration area of the Mex gov't providing all the incriminating evidence, became an asset.... it may go as far back as the University of Mexico in the late 40's.... So again, what is it that YOU do to improve understanding for all in this case?

You wear your ignorance so proudly... You find insulting the work of other people... funny? You find making up derogatory names for other writers/researchers... amusing? It's truly sad that people like you must resort to calling out what you don't understand just so people will read it.... Put out something of your own Mike... what have you done which can be held up to scrutiny... Oh, right. Nothing. Makes you supremely qualified to judge others who have....

Brendan - have you read State Secret? The primary objective in Mexico City was to turn agents... to encourage defection and the sharing of information... Castro sent agents to get doubled on purpose to infiltrate the US planning process... I see that working much better than what we accomplished... which as you say... was next to nothing from an informational POV... We should remember that the CIA was last to the party.... Intelligence agencies from all over the world had been playing their games in Mexico.. The FBI had been entrenched since 1940 and the SIS... The Military intel agencies also had their agents as did the STATE dept.... No doubt the CIA took a while to ramp up effectiveness... sadly they found they were better at doing illegal, covert actions than gathering and interpreting intelligence... Same with the FBI of the time.... That's why today's wholesale striping of the State Dept will have terrible consequences... diplomacy gives way to military and covert actions since these boys and girls are not thinning their ranks at all....

Wade... ex FBI. Wonder if he got it from Hosty who got it 10/18 from Woosley ... who got it from Win Scott... should an I&NS agent be relaying CIA memo to FBI? Marked card gives that away....

Then explain this.... if the name HENRY gets to CBS, the source had to have known something about this file... not a mistake... just the trail of who got what info from where....

Wow... wouldn't it be something if I was actually correct about this...

So Sandy, Why does the camera only take an image from horizontal DOWNWARD but not upward? If I place a camera where he's placed it (blue lens far left) the field of view would include the area above his head as much as below unless you were right up against the man's nose... The Red line at the top represents the entire field of view... you'd have to raise the camera up higher than it is for these photos and then point it downward which would result in a different final image than those military photos... The blue lens to the right, turned downward still has a full field of view yet it captures what you claim the other diagram shows... without that tilt the man's forehead would be in the middle of the image, not his nose. The field of view that Richard offers is not physically possible using the physics of light... to put the man's head at the top of the frame the lens would need to move DOWN not up We get this right? Field of view from the lens works in both directions, not just down... the green lines and the lowered lens position would push his head to the top of the frame but the man's chin would be in the center of the image UNLESS YOU TURN THE LENS... which changes the perspective of the photo. yes?

He was WHERE? John.... I don't recall ever seeing a reference to BOWEN/OSBORNE other than on that one bus... to "oversee the impersonator" (who I understand NOT to be related at all to any bus ride or car ride for that matter.... who the voice is on the phone remains a mystery - we know it was not Oswald's... Something to be aware of.... every single interpretation of the info below states that the line after BOWEN's name relates to the same thing that the McFarland line does and the VASQUEZ line, and the MORALES line and the MITCHELL line..... Looking thru the rest of WCD 676’s listings we come to find that not a single name other than BOWEN, McFARLAND and OSWALD are both on the FM-11 and the Flecha Rojas baggage manifest. CE2463 is the re-typed Flecha Rojas manifest which states that 18 passengers boarded bus #516 in Nuevo Laredo. We must then assume from this information that the other 14 passengers did not come thru Mexican Immigration that morning or did not travel with a bag to check. That all 14 of these passengers were already on the Mexican side and boarded bus #516 going thru Monterrey to Mexico City while traveling with only a carry-on. BOWEN traveled with a companion ... referred to here as "fellow passenger"... The Australian girls and McFarland were on DEL NORTE buses... not Flecha Rojas... That BOWEN offers up tickets on Flecha Rojas on adds to the proof that he not only did not travel with Oswald... but he also did not travel with the McFarlands and the 2 Aussie girls... So how is it that they refer to this man repeatedly? Furthermore, this report also removes these 4 English speaking people from the Flecha Rojas bus.... which again makes sense with then having taken del Norte... Also, the fact he brought this one zippered bag onto the bus and placed it above him means there was never a VELIZ to check in order to get claim # 320435 The CIA chrono states the FBI tells them that Oswald takes ANAHUAC from Monterrey to Mexico City and that the Hotel he supposedly stayed in is but a short walk from ANAHUAC terminal... again we have a conflict with his departure in that one of the witnesses describes calling him a cab to take him to the bus terminal... this hotel employee does not know which driver it was and he remembers not telling the driver anything about a destination.... This despite the story being Oswald asks for help since his Spanish is so poor. Another thing to be raise if OSBORNE was to watch over the imposter... WHERE DID THE CALL to Sov Mil Attache originate and where does the caller get THAT number as opposed to the Consulate #? Again... Osweald checks into the hotel FIRST.... after a 10am arrival and then calls from.... ???? This also keeps BOWEN traveling on the same line - Flecha Rojas - which makes sense as passengers don't usually bounce back and forth between bus lines... In one breath the FBI has him on 1 of 3 different bus lines... in another we have confirmation he was NOT on any of these buses.... but since he HAD to be there.... it must have been by car... the CIA Phase 1 cover story to incite an attack on Cuba or Russia.... Oswald conspiracy... pick a time when he is known to be traveling with Cubans for the FBI and use his name to curtail all inquiries into what really happened that weekend in Dallas and Mexico. Thank you all for such great work on BOWEN/OSBORNE.... So a question... Does anyone think this OSBORNE is THAT Osborne?

Well this is a twofer.... Thanks for reading my work and enjoying it and/or get something out of it... With regards to my last post here.... WTF are you talking about Michael? Maybe you could - like with Mexico - go READ THE EVIDENCE before you insert foot in mouth... k? I didn't say it wasn't him, ever. Steve offered an explanation of his attire in the evidence... I remembered a photo of Oswald in white on white... and given the man saved EVERYTHING or was made to look that way we should find these clothes in the inventory... we don't. If you haven't been paying attention, there is a mountain of corroborated evidence suggesting the existence of another OSWALD... a larger Oswald with different clothing and experiences... I don't really care anymore what you do or do not accept in that presentation... the evidence is there... accept it or not... moving on. ===== I also have been thru the DPD FBI inventory a number of times and also remember that the same thing happened when he was described in Houston... the beige canvas shoes remembered were not anything found in his possession only weeks later... If you're not referring to the BLEDSOE shirt comment... then what? If you refer to BLEDSOE ... there is nothing to indicate he comes to work in a shirt torn at the elbow and missing three buttons.... Mr. BALL - Now, what color shirt did he have on? Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had a brown shirt. Mr. BALL - And unraveled? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Hole in his sleeve right here [indicating]. Mr. BALL - Which is the elbow of the sleeve? That is, you pointed to the elbow? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it is. Mr. BALL - And that would be which elbow, right or left elbow? Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right. Fritz, Bookout, Kelley, Hosty all state he changed his shirt and pants leaving them in his bureau - where they were found and inventoried... BLEDSOE could not have seen this shirt with those rips - and as Milton and McWatters both reiterate - it was NOT Oswald on his bus.... WHALEY also supposedly sees Oswald and actually takes him to Beckley... maybe. He too describes the ARREST shirt... Mr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed? Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants. He, his shirt was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the shirt was open three buttons down there. So from the above Mike... "blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki" that describes Oswald's clothes? Do you find anything in inventory that resembles the clothing described? Mr. BALL. Here is Commission No. 162 which is a gray jacket with zipper. Mr. WHALEY. I thank that is the jacket he had on when he rode with me in the cab. Mr. BALL. Look something like it? And here is Commission Exhibit No. 163, does this look like anything he had on? Mr. WHALEY. He had this one on or the other one. Mr. BALL. That is right. Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt. Mr. BALL. Wait a minute, we have got the shirt which you have identified as the rust brown shirt with the gold stripe in it. Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket-- Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir. Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket. Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Later that day did you--were you called down to the police department? Mr. WHALEY. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Were you the next day? Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; they came and got me, sir, the next day after I told my superior when I saw in the paper his picture, I told my superiors that that had been my passenger that day at noon. They called up the police and they came up and got me.

CIA dated 1/1/63 in the index - so basically the date is unknown... Win Scott's mentioning of ODESSA and the spelling of the name, etc was dropped since it was quite obvious it was not Oswald... these calls are made from the Cuban Embassy - supposedly. If the calls on the 27th were not Oswald... and Duran/Azcue say it was not Oswald, and the FBI cannot any trace of Oswald, and the travel evidence is complete junk... Fluent Spanish? Broken Russian? BTW - the bus to Mexico did not arrive there until 10:30am... and by 10:37 this man has already made it from the terminal to the Hotel, checked in and then to the Cuban Consulate... Pretty slick https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10414-10413.pdf

Yet if this person stepped back to the wall... his real height is shorter that the 5'10" the photo suggests... As stated, the camera would have to be level with the top of his head to get a true height... this lens is most certainly lower than the top of this person's head. He could be as much as 3 inches shorter once he steps back.... With regards to the crushed out colors suggesting another person... uh.. I don't see it that way.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10068-10061.pdf is another report explaining how Mexican assets lied about what Oswald supposedly did.... in connection with a link earlier to a doc stating that the FBI must keep secret that they are down there "assisting" with gathering the evidence... Over and over the stories which put Oswald in Mexico are shown to be false... created by the CIA. Also, https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10068-10070.pdf many of the routing slips have a single name whited out up near Phillips... do we think this was HUNT trying to cover for even being in Mexico?

She also placed the ripped post-clothing change shirt on Oswald before he had gone home and changed... The changing of his clothes is IMO the thing that mucks up some of the plans... witnesses were led to the "right" testimony using the arrest clothing. Whaley is a good example of a witness screwing up their lines with respect to his clothing....

Hey there Jeff... thanks so much for the kind words... comments like yours are my greatest reward... I honestly do not remember making that reference... I may have said we'd find out they were in Mexico if the assassination occurred in either Tampa or Chicago... The information contained in the 10/10 cables to MX, ONI, STATE and FBI would never have seen the light of day had the assassination taken place earlier.... Why would they be? I truly do not accept that the Mexico charade was part of the assassination planning until it became necessary to be... While Bill Simpich's conclusions can be questioned... the use of the marked HENRY card and the State department claiming the evidence states that LEE HENRY OSWALD did all these things when they all say HARVEY... leads me to agree with the reasoning behind it coming to the surface.... Again, if 11/22 doesn't happen, none of this info would have been public. Furthermore, I am not convinced that Tampa and Chicago were "created"... I believe they were very real... and the reason the SS logs and notebooks are gone for that time period. Why put Oswald, Kleins and Vallee all in the same FBI report if they were not trying to tie them together... why bring Vallee up at all?

From what I can tell... there are no white pants, no white tie or white shoes There are 3 pairs of shoes: brown, black and thongs... There are 2 pairs of slacks: The faded grey torn ones and a traditional gray pair

Have you considered that OSBORNE/BOWEN was inserted into the story to create another closed off lead? He denies the person next to him was Oswald.... Only McFarland and the Aussies discuss this old man on the bus... the same two who SWEAR Oswald was on the same del Norte bus I've shown he wasn't on.... As the thread of BOWEN is pulled it exposes so many other pet projects of the CIA/FBI/etc.... so the road blocks pop up... and the investigation is led elsewhere. I think a large portion of the Mexico situation was simply to create a roadblock to the truth of epic proportion... Oswald in Mexico and the related evidence insures the investigation stops short of the truth or even scratching at the truth. Sprague was removed because of Mexico Blakey helped hide Mexico With Oswald at Odio and in Dallas... the car to MX evidence is as false as the bus journey. Our Oswald was not there... and nothing beyond the CIA's transcript of an impersonated call puts him there.

Michael... Shame on you. "excellent rebuttals"? Amazing how much you exercise your G~d given right to be wrong on so many things... ROKC is recruiting I hear... all you need is to insult John and know how to curse and they give you the keys to the kingdom... Your kind of crowd Mike... your chariot awaits...

Guess that depends on whether you're remembering correctly or not... I doubt very highly anyone outside of Mexico used the name HENRY

White on white? Looking thru the property inventories for white pants, white shoes, etc.... Like the description of him in Houston buying the bus ticket... the clothing described were not among his possessions.

You can ask.....

NIce.... Success for Clark Anderson as well?