David Josephs

Wonder why he says Oswald confessed to both killings... at 5:50pm when he had yet to be charged for JFK... knowing there were no notes being taken? Plus that’s a lot of detail for fri eve... no?

Paul, within your theory... why does the mystery man phot need to be included in the WCR at all. Just to counter ODUM and Mrs. Oswald? Thet photo associated with Oswald seems almost like Goodpasture et al thumbing their nose at HQ... Wring date, wrong man... and they knew it. My problem then is why let Alvarado come forward at all days afterward? He is most certainly a Phillips asset designed to support your idea... lay at Castro’s feet. Let Dallas speculate a bit then cut it off by envoking MX. It would only concern FBI if Oswald was elsewhere doing their work... Odio and 2 cubans... Hoover gets 10/10 and knows the CIA is “double dealing” but they can’t counter by saying where Oswald really was... so the 3 amigos are born.... but at the time, Hoover hesitantly plays along... he never actually corroborated the CIA. He just didn’t push too hard overtly. As I see it that is...

It's too bad someone didn't actually SEE Oswald at the Cuban Consulate taking money from a red-headed negro man.... or one of the multiple phone/internal taps as well as camera coverage would have caught him at one or the other location... or someone who knew Oswald's voice had listened to the tape and found it to be Oswald... or Azcue tells us it was Oswald... or if anything he supposedly bought in Mexico ACTUAL came from Mexico... or if they found where Duran tells him to go for the photos... or who the man at the Consulate 1-2 days prior to the Oswald application dated the 27th... or if anyone, anywhere had any information confirming his being there... even in memos that never saw the light of day...

Of course there are Tracy... innocence abounds.... The entire JFK case is just a series of unfortunate, innocent events.... misinterpreted by all; 'cept you

June 8, 1962... via a rubber stamp Chris... JUN 8

Thanks for the interesting info on George Craig.... ya pull one thread... {pun intended} THIS is one of the 2 reasons I spent time writing those papers: Lopez and the HSCA stayed away from the entire Journey despite it being a falsehood from the word go (Marina - who left 2 days earlier - is the source for the WCR that Oswald took a bus... as if she would know) The other thing that caught my eye was "Lee, Harvey Oswald" on the visa signed by Oswald, Lee Harvey - I can see a simple mistake happening... but when the exact same mistake occurs on the Hotel Registry followed by writing that simply does not match the SOP of the manger rewriting all the names of guests who remained in the hotel... why is Lee Oswald the only one different? So I thought... EVERYONE writes about what happened from 10:37am 9/27 thru Oct 1st... but no one has actually looked at the travel - which if the truth would line up easily... a ticket to travel on a bus or plane or train, immigration records, hotel records, etc.... When you then find out the man getting the very next VISA was CIA and lied about what happened that day... I continued to pull on the threads. Paul posts about the CIA and the car... but he forgets about this CIA document: something heavily redacted for sources and means yet pretty interesting none-the-less. The info on the car comes from a source outside the CIA... Between the first and last sentence of the Mexico article writing, my understanding changed and evolved based on data and evidence... not my opinions What I first understood as an impostor started to fall away when i looked a bit deeper... There was no reason for Oswald's trip to be covert. He could travel freely at this point in time, had gotten a new passport in June (even though the girls testify to seeing only the 1959 passport) naming RUSSIA as a destination country... There was no need for him or his wife to travel thru Cuba to get to Russia, and according to virtually every document we know... Oswald did NOT want to stay in or return to Russia. Yet this innocent man's travel is anything but innocent... or simple. If a poster here wants to claim it was Oswald and he was driven or drove himself - ok... but the preponderance of evidence strongly indicates it was not him, that something specific to the intelligence community was going on, and the name LEE HENRY OSWALD was used. The FBI created a fictitious journey to account for his whereabouts. If Oswald was actually in Mexico City... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof....

Yes Paul, that's what the records state... so tell us why CASH lies about it to the Dept of Immigration on Nov 23rd? How does the CIA - or anyone, say you for that matter - prove he took a car? Other than the CIA claiming so as a result of... what Paul? Why does the CIA conclude he took a car? Please provide sources... I for one have had enough of your posts which start "IN MY OPINION" and then go on to talk of facts and conclusions as if they were support by something... what is the basis for these opinions? Did you do some research... did you finally talk to Bill Simpich about how you consistently misrepresent what he wrote and what he meant ? WHO provided these Mexican Immigration records? Do you have ANY idea? Do you have ANY idea what was done to these records by this FBI asset prior to them going to Amer Consul CASH to FBI SA CHAPMAN via TIJERINA? Do you even know who HERRERA is and why he is talking about the FM-11? Ya see Paul, you come up with these OPINIONS yet they are only based on things that occur in your mind - not from any source of evidence or reasoning... That you preface with MY OPINION changes very little about your approach and lack of corroboration... Fact is, most of what you OPINE is based upon provably incorrect assertions made years ago... like Walker and Oswald being somehow connected. And what's that? Sept. 16th? a typo? and what was it that Alvarado said and continued to stick to his guns about? the date of Sept 17th... If you'd take a second just to acknowledge what you don't know and have yet to prove to anyone - maybe you'd find yourself posting ANALYSIS and RESEARCH instead of opinions.

If you are truly interested in being proven wrong, the rest of this thread and these articles should help... Maybe you can tell me... why are these two signature so different? They were supposedly signed within seconds of each other. https://kennedysandking.com/content/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-index The Mexico City Trip Part 1 Part 2 - The Trip Down, Part 1 Part 3 - The Trip Down, Part 2 Part 4 - Leaving Mexico, Part 1 Part 5 - Leaving Mexico, Part 2 Part 6 - Who Knew What and When

STRINGFELLOW... who would have guessed... The man who officially stated Oswald was arrested in the balcony of the theater; wasn't he attached somehow to 112th... as an informant as well? Thanks Bart....

The following is not my opinion but the result of years of research on the subject started because of one statement in the LOPEZ report: Hoover spent enormous resources and "capital" to CYA for the CIA by offering "evidence" that Oswald took the trip so even though the voice and photo do not match Oswald, he was STILL considered to have been down there. And then in January 1964 Hoover reveals his understanding of the "false story of Oswald's trip to Mexico". There is simply insufficient evidence available to confirm the that the man Ruby shot was the man at the Cuban & Soviet Compounds in Mexico City There is more than sufficient evidence in the FBI files showing the bus trip offered did not include Oswald as a passenger. There is CIA and only CIA evidence that an Oswald crossed the border in a car and left in a car but very little other info about the event There is NO EVIDENCE of Oswald in Mexico City outside of the Cuban & Soviet Compounds despite extensive searches which were not discussed in the WCR Putting Oswald into that room with Duran and Azcue on the 27th with first acknowledging all the evidence against that being true - is to severely mislead readers about what occurred before Sept 27 and after Oct 1st. Whitten tells Slawson that if they need to get into Mexico City unnoticed, he can arrange that.... so theoretically, Oswald most certainly could have been the person in front of Duran/Azcue... Azcue tells us this person was in a day or 2 BEFORE the 27th (date of the application)... why don't people who discuss this assuming it was Oswald, mention this? Or that the man photos who was given the temp ID of Oswald, also was photographed on the 15th of Oct.... Bottom line: There are no photos of Oswald, no voice records of Oswald, first-hand accounts of Oswald witnesses that were ALL debunked: the PAZ party never happened, Oswald and Duran never happened (Oswald was not there) first -hand witnesses say it was not the man Ruby shot FBI SA CB PECK issues reports all thru Nov 1963 naming over 20 assets in Mexico looking for traces of Oswald - none.. FBI checks with the Gobernacion, Immigration and it turns up negative for ANY travel documentation on Oswald or any variation there of - yet then is the main source for each and every item of evidence Turned up a CIA report from the recent doc dump that states US Immigration records are pure junk and we need to get the info from Mexico... except by the date of this - Nov 25 - the CIA had already established his travel in and out by car.... HARVEY CASH tells FBI SA CHAPMAN that they do NOT know the mode of transportation on 11/24... yet seems to hold the info until the 27th.. here is the start of the cover-up or change to Lone Nut CASH is given info supposedly from the FM-11 which is the master immigration record for all tourists crossing the border... problem being the FM-11 was also in the hands of a single FBI asset and was, according to assistants of this man, "amended by "XXX" for clarity"... This memo from KLINE to LESTER JOHNSON below left is one of the more important docs involved.. It establishes a number of things: Info from Mexico re: the Oswald trip is acquired on Saturday less than 24 hours after the assassination. Mexican "authorities" (DFS) saw this as their investigation with no info going to the FBI (no word about the CIA) Info would need to be obtained thru the American Consulate in N.L. (State department) CASH in N.L. has information culled - again within 24 hours - from Mexican Immigration's FM-11 and typed up Entering Mexico the man is OSWALD, Lee Harvey... (L.H. Oswald) Leaving Mexico he is LEE, Harvey Oswald (O.H. Lee) why does this matter? For the entire trip he is referred to as Harvey Oswald Lee; Mr. Lee or O.H. Lee. Yet when it came time to alphabetize for the FM-11 a strange thing happens Mr. LEE is alphabetized after M and before P... https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0300a.htm #806 coincidentally is BUELL MOORE, #807 Harvey Oswald LEE, #808 MAURICE OUELLET That means the alphabetical position is for OSWALD, not LEE... one of those devil details which reveals to me an awareness of the man's real name... and basically a stupid oversight left in the record The memo above is recalling events on Nov 23rd. The "American Ambassador's office" had provided a detailed report... here is that report We begin to see how the Department of STATE and the CIA are lock-step on this... I find the very last sentence before the signature on page 2 pretty interesting as well. STATE is also pitching the CASTRO angle at this point... Sop here we have what I see as full blown Phase 1: Castro Conspiracy... ALVARADO would show up at the US consulate in Mexico to tell his story on the 26th... Right up until Dec 9th when the FBI delivers it's report, Hoover did NOT want to restrict this to only one man, Oswald for one and only one reason: Mexico. page 2 Memorandum for Messers. Tolson, Belmont, Mohr Conrad, Deloach, Evans, Rosen, Sullivan December 12, 1963 it up with the White House and the President agreed with me that we should reach no conclusion; nevertheless the report does reach two conclusions in substance. I said I personally believe Oswald was the assassin; that the second aspect as to whether he was the only man gives me great concern; that we have several letters, not in the report because we were not able to prove it, written to him from Cuba referring to the job he was going to do, his good marksmanship, and stating when it was all over he would be brought back to Cuba and presented to the chief; but we do not know if the chief was Castro and cannot make an investigation because we have no intelligence operation in Cuba; that I did not put this into the report because we did not have proof of it and didn't want to put speculation in the report; that this was the reason I urged strongly that we not reach conclusion Oswald was the only man. The report on the 9th had already contradicted him stating" On the contrary, the data developed strongly indicates that he acted on his own initiative or impulse with little advance planning... for a look into what that "advance planning" may have looked like... https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-on-november-22-1963

And therein lies the rub.... The Alice in Wonderland - thru the looking glass world of intelligence and counter-intelligence does not follow the rules of common sense. In this world black is white, left is right and right is wrong.... Then Branden, I suggest you do a little digging into history... While on a micro level the CIA could be inept on the world stage, in the macro and in the 50's and 60's - nobody messed with the USA other than a handful of world intelligence agencies... The KGB by far was the greatest enemy yet the intelligence services of Europe and parts of Central and South America. Not even to mention the FBI's intelligence presence with the SIS and ongoing "legat" personnel, the ONI and it's ongoing activities and the MIA/MID who had their share of agents in the field. The leverages held over each country were much more important than the smaller details like this... the details of the Missile crisis are not nearly as important as the desire USSR outcome... remove the missiles from Turkey. Keeping Cuba safe from the US was, I believe, non-sequitur - an agreement was not going to keep them safe from the US if the US wanted to do something... it didn't... the US quickly found a much more fertile "war" in which to get involved with the side benefit of it being thousands of miles away and one of the most fertile drug territory on earth... Who would believe Castro blaming the JFK assassination on the CIA due in part to the Mexico City charade? Sometimes the greatest intelligence oversight is NOT admitting you have or know anything... when in reality, Castro did know an amazing amount about the inner workings of the Kennedy administration... and for good reason... his spies had infiltrated at the invitation of the White House and the CIA... Sides have little to do with things at this level... it's all about who holds the greatest leverage over the others... and whether that leverage is authentic of from a double-agent...

Consider the source Branden... no disrespect to George... I did an initial draft and Jim D helped edit and finish it adding a few touches of his own.. https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JudythBaker-DJ.pdf I examine the evidence presented thru Fetzer of the connection... Like Mexico City... the evidence to corroborate is, well... see for yourself. the laying of the assassination - initially - at Castro's feet served at least 2 purposes... 1) the JCS wanted to blow Cuba off the map and this would be their excuse... and 2) to shut-off any meaningful investigation into who did what... the players involved were core "sources and means" in the kill Castro campaigns... Cuba says - To WHO Branden - that it was not Oswald or that the CIA switched the photos... It's 1964 - who you gonna believe, the US government or Castro? I truly think you give Oswald too much power within the context of the times... On very real possibility is that this was a mole-hunt against Cuban intelligence within Mexico City... Simpich shows how Harvey and Whitten would have loved to turn Azcue, Duran or Duran's mentor... her name escapes me. and finally, KOSTIKOV... while working down there, was also used as a poison pill which would become more important on the 22nd. When the WC realized the text of a speech from Castro about assassination retaliation only weeks prior, they connected it to the stories of Mexico City and IMO realized that it very well could have been a Castro hit... but what to do? As a related tangent I have to ask you... Do you think the RUSSIAN files are something we should trust for accuracy and truth about the times and situation? RUSSIAN KGB controlled files? How would that be in reverse... Khrushchev is killed... the CIA has files... you think the USSR would not look upon that info with some skepticism? Finally, after JFK's death there were much bigger issues... in reality the ridding the Western Hemisphere of Castro took backseat to shifting the illegal drug business from France to Indo China and the USA... and may in fact be the real reason for the assassination... billions of "black" money would be lost if JFK got his way in Vietnam... even more in defense spending should the Cold war slow down... between 1963 and today we see that regardless of global situation, the US spends a boatload on Military... we won the Cold War - maybe, yet forgot about ideology and power vacuums... we choose to partner with criminals and are surprised when things go south.... and Finally Branden, when Paul is agreeing with you, it's time to re-examine your POV.

Hey there George... In my post above you can see both the PASSPORT photo and the Visa Photo... here they are side-by-side Taken the same day? 1. He got the new Passport in New Orleans... in the US most of these offices had their own cameras - no? If you are mailing off your application, that's another thing... 2. Size: Was this the same in 1963? 6mm is not much of a difference.... Cuba Passport photos and Visa photos Requirements: 4 photos passport size (45 x 45 mm).Feb 14, 2011 2 x 2 inches (51 x 51 mm) in size. Sized such that the head is between 1 inch and 1 3/8 inches (between 25 and 35 mm) from the bottom of the chin to the top of the head. View the Photo Composition Template for more size requirement details. Taken within the last 6 months to reflect your current appearance. Acceptable—Photo is clear and in color, reproduces skin tones accurately, and is properly exposed with no shadows George... I'm more in the camp that Oswald did these himself... or at least reproduced them himself... Again... with a 6mm variance, cutting them a little off will result in size differences... I truly believe the one image of the Carbon Copy that does not have any staples on the photo provides more info on the possibilities of forgery than anything else... Bill Simpich mentioned to me that he thought Mexican authorities procured the Cuban copy... but he is not sure and I have yet to find anything that tells us. (I finally came across the explanation) Copies of photos... copies of photos of photos... https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol3/pdf/HSCA_Vol3_0918_2_Azcue.pdf Mr. CORNWELL. Do those pictures of that individual appear to you to be the same individual who visited the consulate in Mexico City on the occasions you have previously described to us? Senor AZCUE. Truly, this photograph is one that I saw for the first time when the honorable U.S. committee members came to Cuba in April of this year, and I was surprised that I believe that it was not the same person. Fifteen years had gone by so it is very difficult for me to be in a position to guarantee it in a categorical form. But my belief is that this gentleman was not, is not, the person or the individual who went to the consulate . Senor Azcue, I would like at this time to show you JFK exhibit F-407. For the record, that would appear to be a carbon copy of the previous JFK exhibit F-408 . The previous JFK exhibit, F-408, is a photograph of a visa application which the staff of this committee took while they were in Cuba this year. It was taken of a document which was provided to us by the Cuban Government in an original form. We were allowed to inspect the original and to photograph it . The exhibit which we just placed on the easel, JFK F-407, is a photograph of a visa application which was provided to the Warren Commission in 1964 by the Cuban Government. As you can tell, the writing on JFK F-407 appears to be somewhat displaced on the lines; part of it sitting directly on top of lines instead of resting over them as you would expect, and otherwise its content appears to be virtually identical to 408. So they took a photo of the carbon document and gave it to the WCR in 1964 and in the mid 70's a photo is taken of the supposed "original"... which ultimately becomes F-408. How you feeling about the process, format and chain of custody for those photos of documents 12 years apart...? JFK Exhibit F-434 The passport photo you inquired about George... how many times does a witness need to state this? Mr. CORNWELL. Did the individual who visited the consulate look like that individual? Senor AZCUE. No. Mr. CORNWELL. What differences were there? Senor AZCUE. Many differences . The individual who visited the consulate is one whose physiognomy or whose face I recall very 'clearly . He had a hard face. He had very straight eyebrows, cold, hard, and straight eyes. His cheeks were thin. His nose was very straight and pointed. This gentleman looks like he is somewhat heavier, more filled, his eyes are at an angle with the outside of his eye, at an angle with his face. I would have never identified him or recognized him. I believe I can recall with fairly good accuracy the individual in such a way that I could recognize him now in a group of 100, that is better than a photograph of him because obviously during a period of 15 years he might change. I think I could recognize him, and this is not him A link to 408 which is posted upside down... and the carbon F-407 below.... Wanna bet the FBI never looked to see if any of the cameras in his possession could have been the source for these photos? DJ https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=954&search="f-407"#relPageId=133&tab=page

Great point Paul.... My take is he was one of a very few who could easily put Ruby and Oswald together... the three ate together just before the 22nd.. if the witness is accurate.... We must also consider the 2nd police car which backed its way back up an alley and the testimony related... From JA's work: Seconds after shots were fired, Mrs. Holan saw a man (probably Capt. Westbrook) emerge from the 2nd police car and walk toward Tippit's body lying in the street, apparently to see if he (Tippit) was alive or dead. In 1990 a resident of the neighborhood was interviewed by JFK researcher Prof. Bill Pulte, on the condition of anonymity. This resident said that he heard that a man walked down the driveway and approached Tippit just after the shooting. In January, 1968, Playboy Magazine interviewed Jim Garrison. In response to the Garrison interview a reader wrote to Playboy and said, “I read Playboy's Garrison interview with perhaps more interest than most readers. I was an eyewitness to the shooting of policeman Tippit in Dallas on the afternoon President Kennedy was murdered. I saw two men, neither of them resembling the pictures I later saw of Lee Harvey Oswald, shoot Tippit and run off in opposite directions. There were at least half a dozen other people who witnessed this. My wife convinced me that I should say nothing, since there were other eyewitnesses. Her advice and my cowardice undoubtedly have prolonged my life-or at least allowed me now to tell the true story...” (Playboy, January 1968, Vol. 15, No 1, pg 11. Mrs. Acquilla Clemmons (interview August, 1964) said that after the shooting she saw the killer wave to the other man and they departed the scene in two different directions. This is a clear indication that the killer (LEE Oswald) and the occupants of the 2nd police vehicle were co-conspirators in the murder of Officer Tippit. From her 2nd floor bedroom Mrs. Holan hurried downstairs to the 1st floor and outside the house. She watched the man standing beside Tippit as he began to retrace his path up the driveway while the 2nd police car backed up to the alley. The 2nd police vehicle quickly and quietly left before witnesses began to arrive at the scene. Sam Guinyard, who worked at the Harris Motor Company, directly south and across the alley from Virginia and Barbara Davis' home (400 E. 10th), apparently saw the 2nd police car. In 1970 Guinyard told JFK researcher Michael Brownlow that he saw a police car in the alley shortly after Tippit was shot. After the shooting the second occupant of the police car, Sgt. Kenneth Croy, remained at 10th & Patton and was seen moments later by Virginia Davis. Capt. Westbrook quickly left the scene, briefly met up with LEE Oswald, and then drove the police vehicle back to the TSBD and arrived around 1:15 PM. Westbrook and Croy, occupants of the 2nd police car, were co-conspirators whose involvement and manipulation of evidence will be further explained. Mrs. Margie Higgins, a neighbor of Mrs. Holan who lived at 417 East 10th St. said, "Well, I was watching the news on television and for some reason the announcer turned and looked at the clock and said the time was six minutes after one (1:06 PM). At that point I heard the shots." Mrs. Higgins described the shooter and said, "He definitely was not the man they showed on television." Mrs. Higgins called the police.

Thanks for the kind words Brendan... it truly means a lot to those of us hacking away at adding to our understanding. One part of me agrees with you about MX while another... a gut one, suggests to me that Lee HENRY and Goodpasture's mystery man started life as something not at all connected to JFK in Dallas... but with enough dangling connections that could be paired when needed. Yet as I've posted... it seems to me the CIA made sure it's assets or those they were maneuvering could be used for a variety of things depending on the need... truly pawns in a game. Kind of like Tippit.... Would it be the strangest coincidence if an estranged husband did the shooting on a street he was known to frequent... Regardless, Oswald will always be paired with Tippit... despite many seeing him not the shooter in this at all. There is duality in virtually every aspect of the case... on purpose. That way witnesses are telling the truth as they know it despite it contradicting what others saw and heard. Much success in your JFK endeavors... DJ

The same question can be asked about virtually everyone involved that night.... Specter got to be a Senator, LBJ POTUS, Hoover kept his job, the CIA stayed intact... I can speculate... but why? I'll ask you... there were over 20 men for the FBI, and the resources of the CIA, DFS, I&NS, etc.... yet the only place they can put the patsy is within the walls of the Cuban Compound.... how come? and this comes from Scott, Andersen, Mann... everyone down there and of course the FBI assets who looked for a sign of him all of November. None of the other leads providing corroboration for his being there were authenticated... in fact, many were removed from consideration for NOT being from Mexico.... I'm not able to explain the motivations behind every act here Brendan... and of course I could be 100% wrong and it WAS Oswald on the 27th thru the 3rd.... My focus was to prove the evidence provided by the FBI for this trip was fraudulent and created to tell a story that needed to be told in order to counteract a story about Oswald with others in a car going to Mexico City to get to Cuba to get to Russia.... so the assassination could be laid at Castro's feet. Curious... have you read any of Peter Dale Scott's work? He is instrumental in showing the CIA/DFS drug connections and how they shaped activity around the world. He also talks of Phase 1 and 2 of the conspiracy... Phase 1 being the phony Oswald conspiracy which morphs into Phase 2 - Oswald did it alone. You can see the change, especially in MX with regards to Alvarado...

Tom... all I can say is I hope you're right... You remain one of the very few looking at this from that angle and working it thru... I know so many find it hard to follow and a bit out there... Understanding the Intelligence World of the 1963 Cold War requires such an approach. Reminds me of a quote from the movie "Barfly" "He's as right as any of us" Keep on rocking Tom....

That's not the scenario I asked to imagine Brendan.... A man walks in and by 10:37am (check to see when the FBI says he arrived... checked into his hotel... and get to the Cuban compund... just sayin') is on the phone to the Soviet Military Attache who tells this person to call a different number... the consulate... any idea how our OSWALD has the Russian Military Attache's number Brendan? Anyway... Duran gives him the names of a couple of places to get photos for the application... she types it up with a carbon in a somewhat strange manner in that the two applications are not "copies" of each other as much as the typing from the original makes it to this carbon in a very skewed, and unaligned way... If you've seen my comparisons, lining them up and into a typewriter would be very difficult. When one lines up the "779" and the paper in general... the carbons are not... When you line up the typing, nothing else works... just another detail. Do we agree the two signatures are not really the same at all..? I am not saying the applications were created from thin air... just that the photos attached are conveyed to us as a single photographic reproduction of application and photo together... We know Duran and Azcue describe a different person in their presence than was Ruby's target... "He could be convinced".... All I am suggesting is that the photo attached to the photocopied application does not have to be the same photo as the one sent to Cuba. Making a copy of something is the easiest way to alter it... Putting a different photo in there is not all that hard and was more straight forward back then. Staple the picture you want and make a copy... whether that happened in Mexico, Cuba or the US... IDK... The alteration, correction, replacement and disappearance of evidence is the signature act in this case... this one is very easy... I don't "rule it out" I use it as an example that the Evidence IS the Conspiracy... If he didn't go to Mexico in the manner the FBI offers... and the FBI offers a ton to try and prove he did... the FBI is lying about either him going at all, or how he went if he did... and they are offering us evidence like this to support their case.... forgive me for being somewhat skeptical about its authenticity, especially since I altered it by putting a different photo there.. Something else not address Brendan... Azcue claims this person was there 2 days before the application date.... which was the 27th... making that the 25th... He was in Austin with Mrs. DANNELLY on the 25th... proven. Sadly, a simple thing like a staple really does matter... when authenticating evidence. DJ

Of course they did... Duran names a couple for Oswald... These places keep negatives. Should have been a simple thing to look into a few places around the compund and secure Oswald's negatives... Uh, but since it was not Oswald in Mexico, these photos and this application could use a bit more Chain of Custody work.... The investigation offers nothing to put the photos and Mexico City together.... and in fact leads the WC to state they MAY have been made in the US.

THAT just made my head hurt.... Curious Paul... from the reproductions - how do you know the size of the images? Passport photos - if you check the board Tom posted with multiple photos - are the small ones... The woman's job is to help customers apply for a variety of things that require photos... she mentioned "one or two place" and yet the search for a location having taken these photos was never found... so the WCR concludes that these may have been printed in the US. Sounds to me that Duran is not interested in confirming this was Oswald... the bracelet that Ozzie supposedly bought in Mexico was also traced and found NOT to be available in Mexico... Oh yes... Duran and Azcue tell us it was not Oswald yet Odio and her sister recognized him immediately... One is WCR front and center... the other is hidden away... I think we can piece that together from there, no? CORNWELL - So, from all the circumstances, did it appear to your that he just went somewhere locally and had the pictures made?TIRADO - Yeah. I think that I already explained (to) him where he could take the photographs.CORNWELL - You told him some locations in town where ge could go? Were there some right in the neighborhood of the Consulate there?TIRADO - That I don't remember. CORNWELL - All right. But at any rate you knew of some place at the time, mentioned one or two places to him?TIRADO - Yes.

C'mon Brendan, you really cannot fathom ANY WAY a photo of Oswald gets attached to a copy of an application? What makes you think the Chain of Custody is intact for this application? (I've sent Bill Simpich a note - maybe he knows how the WC got the Cuban copy of this app.) Cuba sends up a file... what's in that file? who has the file and for how long before the evidence is entered.... The original has the date typed in at the top "27 de septembre de 1963".... CORNWELL - Do you remember how many times he came to the Consulate?TIRADO - Three times.CORNWELL - Do you remember the date or dates upon which those three visits occurred?TIRADO - No, I saw the application. You showed me the other day, and in the Warren Commission was September 27, but I didn't remember, of course, until I read it. According to the LOPEZ report... OSWALD was at the Cuban Consulate because "his signature is on the application"... page 405 Lopez2003 part 7 Analysis They go on to acknowledge that anyone can take blank applications which is countered by stating DURAN saw this person sign the application(s) Here are the signatures... Do they look the same to you? They do NOT to me.... When I get an answer from Bill I'll post it... If anyone else knows the story of how this document comes to the possession of the WC... please let us know.

I think you've circled some moiré... background noise on the copy... a staple looks like a staple Brendan... Suppose you could make that a little smaller? lol Stumbled upon this today... these two photos are identical and two more of the photos found in his possessions... Now didn't Odio say that Leon Oswald looked like he had a stubble beard... the image with the staples is close... another day or so and.... Mr. LIEBELER. Did she think it was Oswald?Mrs. ODIO. Well, her reaction to it when Oswald came on television, she almost passed out on me, just like I did the day at work when I learned about the assassination of the President. Her reaction was so obvious that it was him, I mean. And my reaction, we remember Oswald the day he came to my house because he had not shaved and he had a kind of a very, I don't know how to express it, but some little hairs like if you haven't shaved, but it is not a thick moustache, but some kind of shadow. That is something I noticed. And he was wearing--the other ones were wearing white dirty shirts, but he was wearing a long sleeved shirt. I simply do not believe these photos were taken in Mexico, that Oswald most likely created them... how many photos does one normally need for applications? Are the photos taken usually all the same? Do they take one and make copies....? Just some things to ponder. And I still think the missing staples on the Carbon is more than just nothing...

Agreed Brendan... so the question becomes... is this the same application that was filled out by Duran on the 27th? Are the photos the same as what was provided... One thing that just screams "problem" is the following inability to remember a basic element of her job: and then CORNWELL's top n otch questioning to determine who she could possibly forget the name of the few places she would send tourists or locals for application photos... usually an enterprising person would spiff back people like Duran for sending business their way... CORNWELL - So, from all the circumstances, did it appear to your that he just went somewhere locally and had the pictures made?TIRADO - Yeah. I think that I already explained (to) him where he could take the photographs.CORNWELL - You told him some locations in town where ge could go? Were there some right in the neighborhood of the Consulate there?TIRADO - That I don't remember.CORNWELL - All right. But at any rate you knew of some place at the time, mentioned one or two places to him?TIRADO - Yes. Now many will claim I'm in the weeds... too much minutia... IMHO, the devil is in the details... the truth usually does not have trouble with details... Even the WCR doesn't lean towards believing Duran: "Oswald returned to the Cuban Embassy that afternoon..... passport photos he MAY HAVE OBTAINED IN THE UNITED STATES" the footnote is 1164 which refers to CE2121 p39 (offers nothing) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=607&tab=page and CE2249 - shown below. Because they could not find a single place where those photos could have been taken, and Duran is never asked to name them... MAYBE be brought them from the US... if so there'd be no need for him to leave the Embassy to get photos taken on Duran's recommendation. Can't have it both ways... so yes... a minor detail which if she was truthful and this was a real investigation she would have easily offered the correct location... Since IT NEVER HAPPENED (according to the 5 years of work I've put in studying Mexico City Mr. Walton) there is little to Authenticate these as the same photos "taken" in Mexico or related to this application... Authentication of REAL EVIDENCE includes Chain of Custody: Real evidence may be authenticated in three ways--by identification of a unique object, by identification of an object that has been made unique, and by establishing a chain of custody. Duran identifies these photos as unique to a local shop where she directed him... SHE is the authentication since the other two are impossible to determine. But she was not truthful. The uniqueness of the object is lost upon investigation... It is no longer AUTHENTIC evidence which a court can accept as an exhibit without conditions and restrictions... This process was not used when items was entered into "evidence"... Authentication was assumed or poorly supported and glossed over. It is here, during Authentication that I see the JFK evidence betraying the Conspiracy... Scratch the surface and the veneer crumbles away... if the overwhelming majority of the evidence cannot be Authenticated (e.g. every item from Dallas secretly went to the FBI Friday night and when returned had more than was taken... Cadigan and Dulles prove the Chain of Custody cannot be used to Authenticate ANY of the evidence taken... the Chain is broken... With respect to you being okay about the staples... She specifically recalled stapling photos to both application... these are the two images offered... it seems to me that one of these was not attached to anything....

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By putting him a car, the CIA - knowing Oswald was known for not driving - created a situation where he HAD to have comrades.... Someone may actually have impersonated Oswald and traveled by car with others... the only results from investigation is the BRILL mess... When the Conspiracy turns to LONE NUT... any evidence of driving or him with others had to disappear... Why again does HOOVER CYA for the CIA?