David Josephs

Sigh... There's nothing but the evidence. Look at the first post and see whathe response has been. Powers is with Lee. A different group is with Harvey at the same time... The records are right there. If Greg does not know what was said of Harvey and his mouth and the topic of conversation... He needs to read the book... Or search the topic here... Is he that incapable of using the search function.. If how he addresses my posts and evidence convinces you so be it.

No Greg, I'm ignoring your incredibly stupid question. If you don't know the subject matter, find something else to do... Now go back to your childish life whining and pouting over H&L. Your confusion and ineptitude here has become legendary... Great when the subject of the joke is too self absorbed to notice everyone is laughing at you...

Thanks Tom... With so many WC Docs I appreciate being led to different ones with specific info buried under anonymous headings... One of the things that most bother me about the USMC records is the conflict between "Aircraft Control and Warning Operator" school (Radar operator) and the recommendation as well as preference of duty in his records as a "Aircraft Maintenance and Repair"... With as poor hearing as he had, I fail to see how he gets into a Air Traffic Control. Felde tells us that his Oswald did not go to Biloxi but was in Florida thru July when they go to "Aviation Electronics School" in Memphis TN which as I understand it would be for Aircraft Maintenance nad Repair, not Air traffic controller... http://www.marines.com/being-a-marine/roles-in-the-corps/aviation-combat-element/avionics Marines in the Avionics field install, remove, inspect, test, maintain and repair all aviation weapons and electrical systems. They also support communications, radar and navigation systems. http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10535&search=landes#relPageId=2&tab=page On the next page in that WCD with the Landes info WCD131, we are told yet another little white lie by the FBI who, when necessary, couldn't find their a$$ with two hands and a flashlight... "The records fail to name any personnel assigned or attending above school with Oswald" When in reality the records could not be more clear... and later on, Powers produces the orders for these six men at his testimony.. Mr. POWERS. I have the travel orders, and if you want them----- Mr. JENNER. Fine. If you have anything from which you may refresh your recollection so that we can have the exact date, I appreciate it. Mr. POWERS. This would be, 2 May 1957 is on the date of these orders. Mr. POWERS. Yes. "Effective 3 May 1957, the below listed marines are directed to report to the 3380th Technical Training Group, 3383d Student Squadron, Block 21, Building 17, Shipping and Receiving Section, Keesler Air Force Base, Biloxi, Miss., for duty under instruction, USNAC&W Operators Course No. AB27037, Class 08057, for a period of about 6 weeks. Upon arrival thereat, they will report to the Commanding Officer for duty." And then it lists six marines with Lee H. Oswald as one of these marines. Mr. POWERS. (1Pfc. Edward J. Bandoni.) 551427. Pfc. James N. Brereton, 1644586; Pfc. Donald P. Camarata, 1632342. Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. Would you check that number again as against mine? I had 1653230, am I in error? Mr. POWERS. You're in error, sir. It's 1632342. The next name that appears is Lee H. Oswald, private, first class, 1653230. And the next name is my name, Powers, Daniel P., 1497089. And the next name that appears is Schrand, Martin E., private, first class, 1639694 Mr. POWERS. Up to--you could say that's true to a certain extent. We did attend school there. Then from Mississippi we were assigned orders to go overseas, and report to El Toro, Calif. Here, while we were at Mississippi, it was parallel. We attended the same classes, and in the same particular group as far as the initial starting of training and graduation, if you would like to call it that. Mr. JENNER Yes. Mr. POWERS. And then once we got to California, they changed somewhat because some of the people reported in early to California and some of them reported later, so this getting into an overseas draft meant that some were leaving out of California earlier than others, of course, which would mean their assignments as far as orders, were different. I would say that four of the names mentioned previously, Camarata, Oswald, Powers, and Schrand, went to the Far East; Bandoni and Brereton, I'm not sure where they went. I think they went to the east coast, as I recall Mr. JENNER. Did he ever express any sympathy toward the Communist Party? Mr. POWERS. None that I recall. Mr. JENNER. Toward Communist principles? Mr. POWERS. None that I recall. Mr. JENNER. Or Marxist doctrines? Mr. POWERS. None that I recall; no, sir. HARVEY was said to be spouting off on Communism and Marxism a great deal of the time... This is NOT Harvey Mr. Powers here is talking about... but LEE and helps to illustrate the existence of these two separate men. The list of men HARVEY is known to is completely different and NEVER includes these other 5 names.... Have at it boys

Hi Jim... I think it very important to add something I found when researching that 12:20pm bus out of New Orleans... In Dec MAJOR GREEN does not mention a 12:20pm bus since it does not go thru to Mexico as a part of a single trip... but only the 4:40pm and 8:15pm buses which cannot get Ozzie to Houston in time... So what does the FBI do? In Sept 1964, 3 days before the publishing of the WCR, MAJOR GREEN is mysteriously interviewed again - and this time there is a 12:20pm bus to Houston. So the FBI back dates the report and offers it in December as proof the FBI knew about a bus which could get Ozzie to Houston in time... This is how the FBI starts the trip and "presumes" he left on this bus... why does it assume this... Marina says he left on the 25th... even though she had already left 2 days earlier... and had no contact with Ozzie while on her trip to Irving... This is the FBI doing their thing... and it only gets worse with the rest of the MC evidence... Please notice that the original report from 12/16 with only 2 buses and the 9/21 report verbiage are virtually identical... Nice article Jim... the Chicago FBI office WCDocs virtually all include mention of Vallee and how he and only he was arrested, NOT other gunmen

So says the man who has yet to step to the plate and offer his defense for the WCR fiasco.... talk about indefensible. As for your self proclaimed "Watch dog" status... I guess everyone needs a hobby... set the world on fire. No diversion Tracy... you think you accomplished something - bravo... you want a gold star or something? Take a few minutes and address the evidence the USMC offers along with the DoD which proves not only did they lie about it, but that there are Oswalds at Ping Tung and Atsugi simultaneously... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19762&page=71#entry309157 you seem to be the only one of the group who actually does some work to support your conclusions... ...Can you disprove the USMC evidence regarding his being at Ping Tung or on a ship to and from in Sept/Oct 1957 while also in Atsugi?

You going to turn the big brain now to proving Oswald shot JFK as you believe... or you only good for taking on other people's work? How about that thread of your own work proving your beliefs - or do you not hold your work out for examination and analysis? You see Tracy - I've been to your LHO Research Page - and I come to find nothing but a couple H&L arguments and no original content whatsoever besides your book reviews. July 2001? Keeping things up to date we see Three Key Areas That Disprove the Armstrong Theory Newsgroup Post by W. Tracy Parnell July 2001 1. HSCA Fingerprint and Photo Analysis. 2. HSCA Handwriting Analysis 3. Oswald Exhumation Really? The HSCA is your source material which disproves the H&L evidence in the record... that'll take you far Acknowledgements Thanks to the following people who helped make this site possible: Stephen E. Lewis (contributor) John McAdams (site host) Jerry Organ (contributor) Vince Palamara (contributor) Carol Parnell (editor) Dave Reitzes (contributor) Gary Sumner (contributor) Very impressive set of people Tracy... you should have no trouble at all proving your POV To be fair your blog was started in April of this year yet you do seem to be focused predominantly on H&L.... Posts by category •Category: "Harvey & Lee" Rizzuto’s Lies Latest Armstrong Tale Now DOA The 3 AM Interview Using Photos to Misrepresent Orvie Aucoin So What? Myrtle, Julian and Clem LHO at Monnig Frankenstein Oswald Harvey & Lee: Who Was Involved in the Plot? Leander D’Avy •Category: Conspiracy Theories ◦Paul Groody’s Theory Jack White and the LHO Exhumation Photos Conspiracy Theorists and Suspension of Disbelief •Category: LHO ◦The Hunter Photo •Category: Marguerite Oswald ◦Marguerite Never Smiled Marguerite and The Fort Worth Press •Category: News ◦Gary Mack Do you ever plan to get around to your OSWALD DID IT threads and posts which present YOUR WORK which shows the WCR was correct - at least DVP has the persistence to stick by his convictions... Mission Statement (tracy's blog) I believe the evidence shows that Lee Harvey Oswald is guilty of the crime of assassinating President John F. Kennedy. The goal of this website is to present articles and other information that will refute conspiracy theories and clarify facts.

That's because I see no one providing the actual source document. Take yours or Armstrong's word for what anything says? When pigs fly. Produce the document and then I'll discuss it. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19762&page=68#entry308997 you must have been on a time out Funny thing is it was YOU Greg who pointed out the DoD letter as an argument that Oswald never left Atsugi - too bad you don't remember that. So I guess we need to understand how Donovan can know Oswald in the Phillipines if he never went... Or how he is on the ship manifest on Oct 6th coming back from Taiwan Phillipines - if he never left Japan.... Focus on the EVIDENCE Greg, I know you can do it. If he is sailing back from Ping Tung on the 6th of October... the Donabedian Exhibit showing his STD treatments in Japan from Sept 14th thru the 5th of Oct must be referring to some other Lee Oswald as is CE1961 which clearly states he went and was at Ping Tung North Taiwan on Sept 30th... yet was treated in Atsugi on Sept 16, 20, 22, 23, & 29th... So you get to explain how this evidence does not show one man in two locations simultaneously

From basic logic one would think that if anyone in the US ordered a C20-T750 between March 1962 and Nov 1963 and got the 40" FC rifle instead.... and then Oswald is accused of using the same rifle with the same shipping mistake - we'd have heard about it. It is my belief that these 10 cartons of rifles may have still been at Harborside on Nov 23rd... There were 86 cartons, 860 rifles, still at Harborside which were transfered to a "card". It certainly does not show that any more rifles were removed and none of the withdrawl receipts include rifle serial #'s or even carton numbers after the Aug 29th withdrawal that did NOT have carton #3376 listed which showed C2766 listed Waldman has all of this inventory (M91/38 FC - the 6th floor rifle) removed by the 25th of Nov and they basically disappear. the ten packing slips connected to the Feb delivery by the FBI is in direct conflict to what Feldsott told them on Nov 22d. These ten slips were part of the 520 slips which would have come from Italy with the shipment. They would have nothing to do with a shipment from Crescent to Klein's as evident by the "38 E" designation on each one. When Rupp ships these rifles they are listed as "T-38" whereas "38 E" is the international designation for the rifles in those cartons. The WCR tells us that Waldman gave us those 10 slips in March 1964 yet the WCR docs says that Feldman provided these same 10 slips on Nov 22nd. Quite a trick, right? I've spent the last 3 months focused on the Rifle evidence article I'm writing and have found things that may surprise a few folks... 11/23/63 At 7:55pm in DC the original PMO is recovered and sent to SS Asst Chief PATERNI At 8pm SS SA Mroz in KC is told the PMO has been recovered At 8pm a finance officer at the Postal Records Center in VA is asked to initiate a search for the PMO At 8:30pm PATERNI asks SAIC Gaiglein to locate the PMO (??) At 9:15pm SS SA Burke contacts this Postal Records Finance Manager and tells him that the computers require more time to warm up (meaning someone is already at the Postal Records center on a saturday evening) and another 20 minutes to locate the PMO once the computers tell them where it is At 9:35pm this Finance Officer receives the PMO in question from a Management Analyst At 10:10pm SS SA Parker is at the Finance Manager's home getting this PMO... the initials on the back are of the Finance Manager, the Management Analyst and SA Parker 11/24/63 At 9am SS SA Parker gives the original to SA Gaiglein in an envelope they both initial and put the PMO into the DC Field office safe At 10am PATERNI authorizes SA Grimes to give the original PMO to the FBI At 10:30am SS SA Grimes removes the PMO envelope from the safe, made 4 copies, and gave it to FBI SA Chisholm who in turn brings it to FBI SA Freeman at the FBI lab... CE1136 http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0073a.htm Since the PMO does not have any of the marks the US Banking system would leave on such an item, I find one of the most important errors told related to the rifle was that this PMO was not created between 9:15 and 10pm on 11/23 but that Oswald bought it on March 12 at one post office and then traveled miles to another post office to mail it and that Klein's received such a PMO and deposited it within the US banking system. The Money order was a creation orchestrated by the Postal Inspection and Records services in conjunction with the Secret Service... who, thru Asst Chief PATERNI at 8:30pm on 11/23 gives a detailed enough description of the PMO Deputy USSS Chief PATERNI asks SS-SAIC GAIGLEIN to locate PMO 2,202,130,462 dated March 12 for $21.45 payable to Kleins by Hidell to be able to create one from scratch...

Well that settles it. My bad! Funny, that's exactly what the WC did at every turn... just take the FBI and CIA and Secret Service's word for it... LOL The HSCA is shown 6 xrays - Hey Dave - you want to rethink that conclusion... Dr. BADEN. I see. When Colonel Finck came in these had already been taken? Dr. EBERSOLE. Yes, and repeated once. Dr. BADEN. Now when you say repeated, were X rays repeated after the autopsy had started? Do you have an independent recollection of that? Dr. EBERSOLE. The second group of X rays were taken either before the incision was made or very shortly thereafter. Dr. BADEN. Dr. Finck arrived later. Now you have mentioned that the tracheostomy was sutured when you first saw it. Dr. EBERSOLE. There was a sutured wound, a transverse wound at the base of the neck Dr. EBERSOLE. Absolutely not. If I may add now, there was a specific Secret Service agent who did ask me to repeat some of these X rays when the first set showed no bullet. Dr. BADEN. These three films in particular, were they all taken before the autopsy was begun? Dr. EBERSOLE. Yes. The skull films were definitely taken before the autopsy. Dr. BADEN. Did you repeat the skull films? Dr. EBERSOLE. To my knowledge. Here Dr E begins the conversation by making up medical terms and then telling us that the xrays we see cannot possibly be the same as the skull he saw. Thanks Dave... anytime you post WCR or HSCA propaganda it becomes so easy to illustrate how the Evidence IS the Conspiracy... Upon removing the body from the coffin, the anterior aspect, the only things noticeable were a small irregular ecumonic area above the super ecolobular ridge and a neatly sutured transverse surgical wound across the low neck. As we turned the body on the autopsy table there was a textbook classical wound of entrance upper right back to the right of the midline three or four centimeters to the right of the midline just perhaps inside the medial board to the upper scapula. Again I would like to emphasize this was a textbook wound -- round, smooth, pure pellish, no raised margins. The back of the head was missing and the regular messy wound

I have a question for you Bob... I recently realized that the Klein's order was initially for the M91TS All the ads for C20-T750 says it has an Adjustable Rear Sight Do you agree that the original M91TS order was NOT for the 91/38 TS rifle which has the fixed sights but for the 91TS to satisfy orders for an ad that begins running in March 1962? Which basically means they advertised a rifle for which the records do not offer any evidence they ever received 91TS rifles to fulfill them. The rifle found was the 91/38 FC... so not only did they replace the 91TS rifles with a larger rifle but they swap fixed sights for adjustable... Wouldn't that bother anyone ordering C20-T750 scoped? Have you ever heard of anyone having a 91/38FC rifle with any one of the other 99 serial numbers offered via Klein's? Is it not strange that a company would advertise a rifle for a year and either not sell a single one or is it more strange that a an order for the rifle to be advertised starting in March would be changed to Berreta or Terni made M91/38 with no designation regarding TS or FC? In April 1963 the same ad, same Item # C20-T750 is now for a 40" 7lb Rear open sight rifle - the M91/38FC... Do we know if Kleins sold a single FC rifle between Feb 23 and Nov 23? Thanks Bob... DJ

One of the things that most bother me about the USMC records is the conflict between "Aircraft Control and Warning Operator" school (Radar operator) and the recommendation as well as preference of duty in his records as a "Aircraft Maintenance and Repair"... With as poor hearing as he had, I fail to see how he gets into a Air Traffic Control. Felde tells us that his Oswald did not go to Biloxi but was in Florida thru July when they go to "Aviation Electronics School" in Memphis TN which as I understand it would be for Aircraft Maintenance and Repair, not Air traffic controller... http://www.marines.com/being-a-marin...ement/avionics Marines in the Avionics field install, remove, inspect, test, maintain and repair all aviation weapons and electrical systems. They also support communications, radar and navigation systems. http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...eId=2&tab=page On the next page in that WCD with the Landes info WCD131, we are told yet another little white lie by the FBI who, when necessary, couldn't find their bum with two hands and a flashlight... "The records fail to name any personnel assigned or attending above school with Oswald" When in reality the records could not be more clear... and later on, Powers produces the orders for these six men at his testimony.. Mr. POWERS. I have the travel orders, and if you want them----- Mr. JENNER. Fine. If you have anything from which you may refresh your recollection so that we can have the exact date, I appreciate it. Mr. POWERS. This would be, 2 May 1957 is on the date of these orders. Mr. POWERS. Yes. "Effective 3 May 1957, the below listed marines are directed to report to the 3380th Technical Training Group, 3383d Student Squadron, Block 21, Building 17, Shipping and Receiving Section, Keesler Air Force Base, Biloxi, Miss., for duty under instruction, USNAC&W Operators Course No. AB27037, Class 08057, for a period of about 6 weeks. Upon arrival thereat, they will report to the Commanding Officer for duty." And then it lists six marines with Lee H. Oswald as one of these marines. Mr. POWERS. (1Pfc. Edward J. Bandoni.) 551427. Pfc. James N. Brereton, 1644586; Pfc. Donald P. Camarata, 1632342. Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. Would you check that number again as against mine? I had 1653230, am I in error? Mr. POWERS. You're in error, sir. It's 1632342. The next name that appears is Lee H. Oswald, private, first class, 1653230. And the next name is my name, Powers, Daniel P., 1497089. And the next name that appears is Schrand, Martin E., private, first class, 1639694 Mr. POWERS. Up to--you could say that's true to a certain extent. We did attend school there. Then from Mississippi we were assigned orders to go overseas, and report to El Toro, Calif. Here, while we were at Mississippi, it was parallel. We attended the same classes, and in the same particular group as far as the initial starting of training and graduation, if you would like to call it that. Mr. JENNER Yes. Mr. POWERS. And then once we got to California, they changed somewhat because some of the people reported in early to California and some of them reported later, so this getting into an overseas draft meant that some were leaving out of California earlier than others, of course, which would mean their assignments as far as orders, were different. I would say that four of the names mentioned previously, Camarata, Oswald, Powers, and Schrand, went to the Far East; Bandoni and Brereton, I'm not sure where they went. I think they went to the east coast, as I recall Mr. JENNER. Did he ever express any sympathy toward the Communist Party? Mr. POWERS. None that I recall. Mr. JENNER. Toward Communist principles? Mr. POWERS. None that I recall. Mr. JENNER. Or Marxist doctrines? Mr. POWERS. None that I recall; no, sir. HARVEY was said to be spouting off on Communism and Marxism a great deal of the time... This is NOT Harvey Mr. Powers here is talking about... but LEE and helps to illustrate the existence of these two separate men seen and traveling with different Marines. Add this to the Ping Tung duplicity, the Gorsky duplicity, and a significantly large number of other conflicts AS OFFERED BY THE WCR which supports the existence of two Oswalds at the same time and I'm sure the H&L critics will have plenty to work on in their attempt to find other answers for these conflicts... I see noone has addressed the HSCA, Blakey and the DoD lying about where Oswald was... maybe instead of claiming an application is a driver's license with no sources and nothing but pure speculation you biys can address the actual meat of the situation... The EVIDENCE IS THE CONSPIRACY... How can Donovan be with Oswald in the Phillipines if he was never there, or how he can be with Oswald thru the Summer and Fall of 1959 when Gorsky has him discharged in March 1959...

1) you answered your own question Michael... "I did not" 2) If you write what you mean then isn't this your position? "My personal opinion is that these are clearly the same man, taken at different points in his life. Lighting, head tilt, pursing of the lips in the marine photo (edit: I mean photo on the right, I mistook that for a photo of Oswald in the marines) can easily account for many of the subtle differences between photos. I think there is some interesting evidence suggesting there were sightings of "Oswald" in more than one place at once, but this set of photos doesn't convince me we are looking at two different men" So these two are the same man, to you. The evidence which I've been discussing which Tracy nor anyone else cannot refute other than the reality of the situation "will never be known".. what an amazing cop out this is... we know EXACTLY what the WCR and DoD says about the situation - THEY provided the evidence. thing is I'm asking him or you to explain the DoD conflicts with the Marines who were with the man in Taiwan while his records claim he is in Japan being treated for a STD... How can he both never go, and be there at the same time? (The Unit Diaries which show his leaving and returning are NOT in the WCR or exhibits... wonder why) Forget for a second what you see... what does the evidence the WCR offers say about the records of this man other than it is in conflict with those who were with one versus the other man? Stick to the evidence offered... CE1961 conflicts with CE1962 and the Folsom/Donabedian Exhibits... and then the DoD lies about it... How can Lee Oswald be in both Ping Tung and Atsugi at the same time?

I'm guessing that this is not your correct head size? The lobotomy scars appear smaller than I imagined they would.. I am willing to stand corrected, however... So says the man using an image from 35 years ago... Something about stones and glass houses Parker... did you have a nice little break? Doesn't seem to have helped much though as you are right back to insults... lobotomy scars? what are you, 5 years old?

Well, David, if I'm wrong about it, then so was Jack White when he first announced it in 1991. Jack White, you may recall, was the original source of the "Harvey & Lee" theory. You now admit he was wrong? Besides, anybody can tell that both of those photos were RETOUCHED. Regards, --Paul Trejo Not exactly sure how you get up each morning and try to be this incorrect about things... but there you go anyway. Jack White was under the impression that many of the faces in his poster where the composite of two people... he was aware of Palmer as was Armstrong. White supported John's work which sprung from both White's work and Palmer's statement. H&L was the result of looking at the evidence. H&L p.9 I telephoned Jack, in Fort Worth, and suggested that we gather all of our photos of Lee Harvey Oswald and put them together, chronologically, in a poster. Jack thought it was a good idea and the result was a poster that contains 77 photographs of both Oswald's, Harvey and Lee. JFK101-13 As I continued to gather documents from the Dallas Public Library, the JFK collections at UTA and TCU, the Warren Volumes, the 33 rolls of microfilm, the New Orleans Historic Collection, the National Archives in Washington, DC, and other locations, I arranged them in chronological order in 4-5 inch wide, 3-ring notebook binders (after 10 y ears of gathering documents, I have over 100 binders). I placed the "official" (Warren Commission, FBI, Dallas Police, Secret Service, etc.) documents relating to Oswald's whereabouts in one set of binders and documents relating to a 2nd "Oswald" in a different binder. By comparing documents year by year I was able to follow, and reconstruct, the lives of both "Oswald's." This is NOT what Jack said about these images at all... from his "faces of Oswald" poster he states that the "Misnk" photo is a composite, while the 1959 passport photo is not questioned or presented as a composite. Get your facts straight FIRST Paul... or will that request always fall on deaf ears?

Mr. Morrow, You prove what I said to begin with here... these computer models are identical - the same distance, same focal length, same everything EXCEPT for the head tilt... does your program allow you to move the distance from the subject while keeping everything else the same? Move back 3 feet and to the right 6 inches... then compare them.... As basic photography and perspective teaches, regardless of the lens, a photo taken from the exact same spot and distance CAN be compared and of course if there is movement in the subject it will change the perspective... but this model representation is not of the two different images you posted and then drew lines upon... There was another pseudo photo expert who used to do the same things with perspective and images to illustrate his points yet in every case we found that he used these subtle differences to his advantage. All you've shown with that terrible composite and measurement is that two images from different sources cannot be measured in 2 dimensional space to determine 3 dimensional distances... Your conclusions and text notwithstanding - we can try and resize one to match the other - but cannot do it accurately due to basic photographic problems That you used these two images and disregarded everything about photography to reach your conclusion is almost as bad as whoever did this comparion to claim they are two different men... That they are is not proven by this image or gif... that they are two different men comes from the evidence provided the WC by the Dept of Defense... Why would they claim he was in one place when their same evidence proves he wasn't?

I'm sorry you can't see that they are not the same person... if you want to post the HSCA process please do... In the entirety of the Photographic section of the HSCA reference to Photogrammetry appears here in one paragaph: (376) Finally, in addition to these methods of visual inspection, the materials were studied photogrammetrically. "Photogrammetry is the science of ascertaining the positions and dimensions of objects from measurements of photographs of these objects." (162) In the Oswald backyard pictures, photogrammetry was given particular emphasis in studying critical shadow areas. When you have a chance, post the process and results of this photogrammterical analysis the HSCA panel did... as you read thru Vol 6 section B you find over and over the HSCA expert panel using lines and measurements directly from the photos... sorry, but this is not photogrammetry... Tracy - Can you refute the Department of Defense evidence which suggests the existence two different men? Stay with the DoD letter that Oswald did not go to Taiwan... Please explain who then was in Taiwan described as "Lee Harvey Oswald" while the same man is in Japan getting medical treatment... Can we all stop dicking around with any other topic you can find that means virtually nothing to the conclusion... and focus on the official evidence of duplicity? Why is there a full list of Marines who claimed they were with Harvey which the WC ignored, while those who knew Lee were included? https://books.google.com/books?id=SC-wBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=fbi+interview+of+Major+Gorsky+about+Oswald&source=bl&ots=eeXPZyMJSz&sig=W7_vGrtETy7NXgtzNv5siOZlXxM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBGoVChMIjKyk0azgxgIVhIuSCh0QVgAK#v=onepage&q=fbi%20interview%20of%20Major%20Gorsky%20about%20Oswald&f=false John Ely was supposedly given all the Oswald military records - 100 photostated pages - by Allison Folsom who got originals from William Odom Tracy - it was in these photostats that the Evidence of Oswald in Taiwan and Atsugi simultaneously is found... Armstrong did not create these docs, did not invent Gorsky, Oswald's STD or treatment, the ship which sailed to Ping Tung and back with Oswald on it's manifest, the men listed below stationed with Harvey as well as Felde's conflicts with the record and the FBI's attempt to bury them by using a different Felde.... ...the records of the USMC as offered in the Folsom and Donabedian exhibits presents this all on its own. El Toro and Santa Ana are two separate facilities. So take a little time and address these conflcits as offered by the Dept of Defense thru it's Deptuty Asst Director of Public Affairs... The Landesberg situation simply provides more corroboration for the existence of two seperate Oswalds... but the core of the case comes from the WCR evidence itself... The Evidence IS the Conspiracy... John and many others understand this... maybe you too, after some more digging into the actual meat of the evidence, will see this to be true as well. DJ

In case some readers here don't know it -- this discovery was first announced in 1991 by Photographer Jack White from Texas. It seems that some of y'all don't remember his first discoveries about this. Both of these photographs were made in the USSR, using a tried-and-true KGB trick for concealing identities, namely, the left-half of a face is duplicated and reversed, then pasted over the right-side of the face. Or, as in the second photo, the right-half of the face is duplicated and reversed, then pasted over the left-side of the face. That is why these two photos of Lee Harvey Oswald remind us of Oswald, and yet differ significantly. That is also why the two halves of these faces are so SYMMETRIC, which is not really natural. You can try this yourself with your own photograph sometime. It's fun to see that the left-half and right-half of our faces are actually a little bit different! Regards, --Paul Trejo Paul - you are so incredibly wrong about this it's embarassing. You speak with authority as if you've actually done something to support your opinions when we come to find you;ve done nothing FIRST but decalre your conclusions and THEN you go look for support. Still looking for that Hoover evidence or gave up the ghost on that one? The photo on the right was taken for his 1959 passport in Santa Ana - can you not read? The image on the left is CLAIMED to be from Minsk, yet there is not proof of the origin of the photo... If you have sources for your conclusions, post them...otherwise maybe an ouce of prevention would be worth not having to listen to you guess on every post.

Kathy... you of all people should understand the difference between a theory and the evidence which repeatedly suggests something is up. We all know that the evidence proves Oswald was in Ping Tung - there are witnesses, guard duty stories and recaps of his USMC time which all includes time in Taiwan yet the DoD wrote the HSCA to let them know that Oswald did NOT go to Ping Tung. Why would the DoD lie about what occurred with Oswald in Taiwan given the Atsugi medical records have Oswald being treated for an STD during this entire time? Why would Gorsky claim he signed the discharge of Oswald in March 1959 and all the Oswald records were ordered to Washing DC? Who is it that Anna Lewis sees in Feb 1962 in New Orleans while Harvey is in Minsk? She repeats Jan-Apr 1962 a number of time yet Oswald was not in New Orleans until Apr 24, 1963 The bottom line Kathy is that while it is possible that these sightings are of some other Oswald impersonator, the USMC records, Taiwan, Felde, Donovan, Gorsky and on and on - JA came to find that there were two different sets of witnesses - those who knew Lee and those who knew Harvey... with precious little cross-over... I know that John appreciates the digging and clarification of the minute details... I also know that in each and every case there are arguments which can support both sides of the debate. I hope they continue to dig deeper yet start to focus their time and effort on the evidence which shows the duplicity... why would the DoD deny where Oswald was while their own confirms he was in Taiwan ?

My personal opinion is that these are clearly the same man, taken at different points in his life. Lighting, head tilt, pursing of the lips in the marine photo (edit: I mean photo on the right, I mistook that for a photo of Oswald in the marines) can easily account for many of the subtle differences between photos. I think there is some interesting evidence suggesting there were sightings of "Oswald" in more than one place at once, but this set of photos doesn't convince me we are looking at two different men. When did his ears drop? Puberty? His head is clearly tilted more downward in the right photo, which would make his ears appear higher. If you don't understand how perspective works, I'm afraid there is no helping you. Mr Morrow, you berate Ray here about perspective and you claim authority while measuring a 3d dimension on a 2d image by drawing some line... there is something called photogrammetry which is a complex method for measuring objects on a 2d space which results in 3d analysis. What you did can best be called "eye-balling" it... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photogrammetry Photogrammetry is the science of making measurements from photographs, especially for recovering the exact positions of surface points. What you've actually done above, frankly, is a joke in relation to the comparison of two different images... personal opinions aside, this work doesn't prove your opinion, it only proves how little you know about measuring distance in photographs... Knowing something about perspective you'd also know your comment about why the ears appear "higher" is complete gibberish. (your pick line even proves the opposite of what your opinion is - it shows these people's faces are NOT the same at all... why exactly do you ignore the results of this work in the first place? You basically prove the images do not match at all, and then state the opposite as an opinion... and then get on Ray related to perspective which you completely fubar. http://commonsensephotography.com/what_is_camera_perspective/index.php Below are examples of a 24mm lens and a 200mm lens taken from the same position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_(photography) gives you a walkthru example of different focal lengths and photographer distances to the same object... You'd also know you'd need to know much more about the taking of these images to be able to compare them at all.... How far from each camera were these images taken? With what lens do you think each was taken - 35mm, 50mm, zoomed or not - the same for each or not? What is the scale of each image to the original negative? If the two images were taken with different settings or distances of any kind it is impossible to use lines, pixels or anything else for that matter to compare or measure what is seen on the images. Maybe read up alittle about measuring distance on a 2d representation of 3d space... It's nice you think it is so easy as to just draw a few lines... sadly, that's not at all how it works. By sizing and lining up the right ear we can at least see how the two images work with each other... no measurements, just starting with a feature that is sized to match each other which SHOULD result in the faces matching each other... What we also find is that no matter what we do we cannot get LEE's dropped shoulders to match Harvey's more straight shoulders But if there is something you can do to make them match... let's see what you got. There is that fact as well that the 1959 Passport image and the image of Harvey from a week or so later do not appear too similar

deleted Smartest thing you've posted in years Tommy... Why exactly do you need to be such a to others when at the slightest provocation you whine to the moderators? Hume has some ideas which are obviously so over your head as to make you dizzy.. but you being you MUST try some witless comment to let others know how lost you are in so many areas. I don't have to agree with him to be courteous... obviously you do. As for you being a lawyer... ... obviously you have trouble enough putting on briefs let alone writing one.. thanks for staying out of the law... Regarding my post, the sheet places the taking of this test in April 1962...the "62" even looks exactly like the 10/10/"62" next to it.. Without Greg here to have your back, not so interested in posting actual thoughts on a topic - are ya mate? Better off keeping at that "wit" thing you fail so miserably at each and every time... Much love and affection Tommy.. you know it's all in fun...

That may too much of a blanket statement for me to make, yet I do believe the FBI/Klein's chose Waldman for his cooperation skills rather than his knowledge of the business. I believe him when he says it was Westra and others who were responsible for the order Mr. BELIN. And that is who? Mr. WALDMAN. Mitchell W. Westra. Mr. BELIN. At that time was he an employee of your company? Mr. WALDMAN. He was. Mr. BELIN. Was he under your jurisdiction and supervision? Mr. WALDMAN. He was not under my direct supervision, no. He was under the supervision of Sam Kasper ---- Mr. WALDMAN. He is the vice president of our company. Mr. BELIN. He is the other vice president of the company? Mr. WALDMAN. Correct. If Kasper is the VP of let's say OPERATIONS... one wonders what Waldman was VP of... that he would not be involved with shipping or inventory? And who was the President and/or Owner of Klein's? I can't seem to find any detailed info on "Klein's" the business. He makes a jumble of the 10 packing slips which he claims were sent as memos instead of with the Feb 22 shipment as Rupp states his procedures are... Waldman 3, per WCD881 p10, was provided on March 12, 1964 by Waldman. Yet, what makes this even more suspect is that FELDSOTT is credited with supplying these same 10 slips on Nov 22 - WCD 790 p3... while the report itself connects these 10 slips to this Feb Order it fails to mention that the only documents Feldsott offered - as mentioned in his affidavit were related to a JUNE 1962 shipment. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0108a.htm And finally is the greatest contradiction of them all related to Waldman - the Microfilm. He repeated claims that he gave the film to FBI SA DOLAN and got a receipt... of course we don't have the receipt and in fact what we do have is anotehr FBIreport under DOLAN's name whcih states that Waldman KEEPS THE FILM IN HIS SAFE to be subpoenaed if need be... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10408#relPageId=195&tab=page is the link to page 2 of the first report with DOLAN and 2 other FBI SAs... the page prior is the beginning of this doc while the following page is the DOLAN REWRITE of this memo... Here they are side by side - this is primae facia evidence that the FBI created reports that said what they needed them to as well as creating other reports after the fact and back dating them as needed. The report with the taking of the film only has DOLAN, with TOEDT & MAHAN not listed.

According the the records, there were 860 rifles still at Harborside and up to 99 rifles at Klein's on 11/22 for which he have no information.. Or do we? Waldman tells us he removed the "remaining inventory" of the Oswald rifle that weekend due to the gruesomeness of selling these at all... which I find very hard to believe a gun dealer would not take advantage of the "weapon type" as a collector's item and sell them at a premium... But they simply seem to vanish by the 26th of Nov... does anyone know what happened to these and the Harborside inventory? ------------ Has Anyone EVER come forward claiming to have purchased a C20-T750 yet was shipped "the same rifle Oswald used" PRIOR to the Hidell shipment? - the rifle was advertised from Feb 62 thru Feb 63. Has any one of these Serial #'d MC rifles ever been found? The WCR records only offer info on these 100 rifles.. Has anyone ever seen a "blank order" for any one of these rifles with corresponding serial #'s? It is my theory that the FBI took Feldsott's 10 packing slips and created these two pages. So far, the only thing we've seen to corroborate that this page is "original" is the Hidell Order Blank. Does seem strange to me that the serial #'s are all written on what looks like a blanked out background, while everywhere else on the 'copy' we see the black dots of the lined paper. A bigger clearer verson of a page shows what I mean... Would it be that hard to see these VC=Serial # sheets for ANY OTHER GROUP OF RIFLES? It would seem that any and all documentation which was available and would confirm the FBI story of replacing the scoped TS rifle with an FC... was never sought.

For the same reason they find the wrong Felde, claim that Hall and Howard are with Odio, fabricate and alter Mexico City evidence, create a money order while key evidence is both handed over to the FBI in one report and NOT in others, and have conflict after conflict related to evidence which "incriminates" Oswald... The FBi was not in the business of finding out WHAT happened, but only gathering and creating evidence which implicates Oswald while confusing the issues at every turn. "The FBI conducted an exhaustive investigation" - per Tracy Parnell... Here's a thought Tracy - "WAKE UP!!" The FBI was in the business of protecting the FBI, killing those who needed to be killed, and leaving a history of worthless evidence... I'm terribly sorry to have to tell you this Tracy... but there is no Santa or Easter bunny and the FBI does nothing "exhaustively" but Cover it's A$$.... They don't automatically get the benfit of the doubt Tracy, in fact, given their track record - it is terribly important that everything from the FBI is checked against the reality... It is really sad to see grown men so completely blinded to the realities of the FBI, CIA, SS and military from the late 30's to the present. Snowden didn't expose anything NEW... this has been going on for 80 years...

Rose estimated him as 5'9" and 150lbs... Yet is it said he never topped 135 and was barely 5'9" if that... as opposed to his 5'11" 150 lbs as he left the USMC... Not sure how a man shrinks 2 or more inches between ages 20 and 24...

Nice story... can we have a little corroboration and etail.. "accompanied the pair to Mexico City" how, when, where... thanks DJ