David Josephs

DVP - you're on ignore too...  

I can't take any more of your regurgitate manure and your "why would he" approach to discussion.

Take it to Dealey Plaza... stand up on the Knoll and preach the gospel baby, preach away.

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1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

I accept that it's possible Oswald killed Kennedy. But the mountain of evidence I've studied strongly suggests otherwise. To put odds on it, I'd say that the odds of Oswald pulling the trigger are less than 1%. I would bet my life against it, but not my son's life. 

There is not a single item of evidence you can offer that cannot shown to be inauthentic... not one.

Evidence on its own is worthless... it has to be Authenticated.  It has to be considered "Real Evidence" in the legal sense of the term to be accepted as such in any court in any court in the land.  And if we are not going to agree that evidence must meet the legal standard, then we really have nothing to discuss.

I've spent my time trying to see if ANY evidence offered by the WCR can be authenticated, so far... not so much.  And since no one can put Oswald in that window with that rifle, the HSCA doesn't do much better.  As for the ARRB, if that work and Horne's work does not show you the WCR (and WCDocs) for what they were, I don't know where we can start...

I respect your work immensely Pat... early on your "slides" online were essential as nobody was doing what you were... so please accept sincere praise.

I cannot abide anyone who knows the evidence as you do, to claim there is evidence that actually proves Oswald's guilt which CAN be authenticated by the legal means available.  No Pat, not even 1% and yes, I'd bet my children's lives too...  Simply not possible.  If you bothered to read the essay I posted.

Please share... what evidence do you know of that would be accepted in a court of law, which incriminates Oswald...  and think carefully about your answer... I've been showing the Evidence to be the Conspiracy for a long time and there are very few areas of the case I have not shown this to be true.

 

Stories told by Russians without sources....  this was something just sent to Gunn.. not generated by the ARRB...

There is a difference...

And the comments tell the whole story...  please go away

btw - Me and Lee is by Judy Baker...  close but no cigar

19 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

Well you're entitled to your viewpoint. I look forward to any new info you can provide. By working together we might solve this mystery.

Difference being my viewpoint is backed by evidence....  what do you think is the most important piece of incriminating evidence that would convict oswald?

And what have you done to Authenticate this evidence... corroborate it?

btw - I'll be here when you get to it... 

31 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

I accept the possibility Oswald killed Kennedy

 

6 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

Well I think Oswald shot JFK.

 

Let's assume for the sake of this discussion that Oswald was indeed at the SE 6th floor window at 12:30, and shots from there are fired by him, AND that he planned to kill JFK with the Mannlicher Carcano rifle. He surely could not have killed JFK with a rifle that was not there in the first place. Oswald has a few items of information he MUST have in order to pull this off, the most important being the knowledge that the motorcade and JFK's limo would pass within shooting distance of the building. Where would he get such information, and what would that info say specifically?

Commission Exhibit 1362 is the Nov 19th Dallas Times Herald article revealing the route the motorcade would take... "The motorcade will pass thru downtown on Harwood and then west on Main, turning back to Elm at Houston and then out Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart" AHA! Oswald, if he read or was aware of this article would now know that the motorcade would pass directly beneath the TSBD... in essence the motorcade was bringing JFK to his doorstep... Good thing he decided to take the lower paying TSBD job in October, right?

This is TUESDAY Nov 19th. The article prefaces with the fact that the formal announcement of the trip was made in Washington DC at 4pm... Could Oswald the Lone Nut have known that JFK would pass by the TSBD before that? I don't see how. Security according to Chief Curry was not even planned until Tuesday the 19th. This must have been the evening edition of the paper.

Is there any evidence from anyone in the building or anyone close to Oswald that he knew about the motorcade route that day?

According to Marina, on the night before the assassination, she asked him about Kennedy's upcoming visit the next day. Oswald seemed totally in the dark about when or where the motorcade would pass. (WC Vol. 18, p. 638)

Junior Jarman told the Commission that he did not learn about the motorcade passing in front of the Depository until that morning at about 9 AM. About an hour later, Oswald was standing near a window looking out at the gathering crowd. He asked Jarman what the people were there for. After Jarman told him, he asked which way the motorcade was coming. Which reveals, unlike the Commission assumption, that Oswald did not read the November 19th Times Herald (WC Vol. 3, p. 201).

Between the evening of Nov 19th and Thursday Nov 21 Oswald decides to get to the home of Ruth and Michael Paine to get his rifle out of the garage and bring it to work on Friday so he can do the deed. Does he make sure to ask Texas School Book Depository colleague Wesley Frazier for a ride home that day? For if he doesn't get home by Thursday night how can he get the rifle to work Friday?

Good thing Wesley was so accommodating... Asking Thursday for a ride home, a ride that would make or break his plan to kill JFK Friday seems cutting it a bit close... And he'd have to bring that paper bag he made to hold/hide the rifle with him... yet the man who sits by the paper dispenser never leaves his desk, eats his lunch at his desk and testifies to not being away from that area... yet somehow Oswald accomplishes this construction project with no one seeing him do it... and gets it home that Thursday in the car with Wesley... maybe hidden in his pants, or shirt, or jacket, or sweater, maybe???

Marina and Ruth are very surprised to see Oswald on that Thursday as he usually gives them fair warning...

It is here we are treated to Ruth Paine's story about the garage door and light being left on... she never sees Oswald in the garage, never hears him... and even goes on to tell reporters:

As noted researcher Carol Hewett pointed out, evidently Ruth did not know that Marina said Lee was with her that night in her room and fell asleep. Yet somehow, he got into the garage, into the blanket, disassembled the rifle, placed it in the paper bag and made it ready for his leaving the following morning... if the OSWALD PLAN to kill JFK can even occur... maybe all this happened in the morning?

So the entire household was awake at 9pm when Oswald goes to sleep... and there is no mention of the time or sounds involved in what Oswald needed to do to get his 40" rifle into that bag...

But he must have at some point as he walks to the Frazier's with this large bag in his possession... which we come to learn must be at least 34" long to hold the largest piece of the broken down rifle. Also in this bag are the clip, the ammo, the scope and the barrel with firing mechanism... Metal and wood adding up to 7.5 lbs, with nothing to keep it from banging into itself, tearing this bag, or anything else.

Surely the people at the Frazier household see this bag? And they do and testify to it...

Hmmm... maybe she didn't get a good look... what does Wesley say about this bag?

So it appears that Oswald is able to carry a 34"-40" rifle in a bag quite a bit smaller... yet measurements can be deceiving... maybe they underestimated; they MUST HAVE since the Lone Nut Oswald did get the rifle from the garage; where it had never been seen by anyone in the house; to the TSBD on the morning of the 22nd in the back seat of Wesley's car. And was able to tuck this rifle under his arm and carry it into the TSBD... Did anyone see Oswald when he arrived that morning?

One man, Edward Shields, claims he is told by his "friends" that they see Wesley drop Oswald off at the back door... yet this is 2nd hand hearsay and virtually impossible to prove... Luckily Mr. Dougherty was not only at the back entrance when Oswald arrives, but see whether or not anything is in his hands at the time...

After the same question about Oswald is asked and answered a number of times we finally have as evidence:

Is there anyone other than Wesley and his sister that claims they see Oswald with a package, bag, rifle or anything in his hands that morning? Nope. Yet he MUST HAVE since his plan was to kill JFK as he passed by later that day... and we get back now to the timing from that day.

After slipping by everyone with the package he stows it... where? Where does Oswald place this 27 to 40 inch bag with rifle parts in it so that it is undisturbed and available when he is ready to execute his plan. Maybe behind some boxes on the 6th floor? Since he knows there is work being done up there and the place is in disarray, no one would notice it... Maybe the 1st floor domino room? A hall closet? Well, no matter, it had to have been somewhere since this same rifle (supposedly) is found on the 6th floor, fully assembled at 1:22pm.

Back now to his knowledge of the motorcade route and the timing. What information is available to this Lone Nut master planner of JFK's death as to WHEN the motorcade would pass by the TSBD? He'd have to know this to at least be looking out a window at the time so as to take a shot... right?

We come to find that Secret Service agent Winston Lawson tells Chief Curry that the luncheon was to begin at 12:15... that the plane was to land at 11:30 and after a 45 min motorcade thru Dallas, arrive at the Trade Mart. VIP invitations had been sent and received which stated the Luncheon was to start at 12 NOON.

So basically even if he was able to know about what Lawson said to Curry, or had seen an invitation to the event, to this LONE NUT KILLER the motorcade would have to pass by the TSBD between 11:55 and 12:10... well before 12:30 in any case. At the same time he knew he had to retrieve the bag with the rifle in it, reassemble the rifle and be at some window facing Elm when he drove by or miss out on his chance for immortality. We make the assumption that Oswald MUST determine a time for the limo and JFK to pass by his place of work; otherwise how can he carry out his plan?

So, is there any corroborated sightings of Oswald during this time? It seems that Eddie Piper, who was with Junior Jarman and Harold Norman, sees Oswald on the 1st floor around noon... no bag, no rifle. Oswald even mentions seeing these 2 men in statements attributed to him. Carolyn Arnold claims to have seen him around 12:15 also on a lower floor... all the while Arnold Rowland eventually testifies that a man with a rifle is in the SW 6th floor window around 12:15... SOMEONE knew when to expect the motorcade... Concurrently Bonnie Ray Williams is eating his lunch 10 feet from the SE corner of the 6th floor sometime between 12 and 12:15.

Why would the FBI lie about that? According to them, no one sees Oswald between 11:50 and 12:30. If Williams is on the 6th floor only a few yards from the sniper's window, surely he would hear the assembling of a rifle or the moving of boxes to encircle the "nest." With Williams leaving at 12:15 or just after, and leaving via the elevators next to the stairs, Oswald, whose only knowledge of the motorcade timing can come from those he is in contact with between 11:30 (when the plane was supposed to land) and 11:55 (when the plane actually lands), MUST have passed him either on the stairs, on the 6th floor, or was already on the 6th floor at 12:00 with the bag and rifle. Yet we've already proven that he was on the first floor around 12:00... Maybe he arrives at the 6th floor just as Williams arrives at the windows of the 5th floor?

Williams finally meets up with pals Harold Norman and Junior Jarman on the 5th floor since, as he put it:

The man who finds out about JFK passing by his window just 3 days before and goes through a variety of activities to insure he is at ANY window facing Elm when he KNOWS JFK is passing by... appears completely unconcerned about the motorcade and timing as late as 12:15... and most definitely not involved in preparing for this event PRIOR to 12:00. He has gone home, out of the ordinary; walked to Frazier's rather than get picked up, out of the ordinary; is carrying a bag which has to contain a 34" piece of rifle with other rifle parts/ammo, out of the ordinary; find a place to stow this weapon for later retrieval, out of the ordinary; and has an idea as to when the limo carrying JFK will be within range so he can be ready.

Between 11:50 and 12:20 there are people on the back elevators and stairs either coming down for lunch, retrieving cigarettes, going up for lunch, going up to view the parade, coming down to join friends. While the plan may be sound, the opportunity simply never presents itself. From all the available evidence, Oswald is either in the 1st or 2nd floor lunchrooms at around 12:00 and must be concerned that his plan to kill JFK requires him to vanish unnoticed only to appear ready to fire at the correct time. The correct time... one of the largest holes in Oswald's plan for immortality. From the time, 3 days prior, that Oswald learns that JFK is passing by his workplace, until he places the bagged rifle in a safe hiding place for retrieval at the appointed time, there remains little if any evidence to support any of the actions necessary were ever carried out. And now, at 12:00 on the fateful day, this small, never-amount-to-anything man with the US intelligence community swirling around him for the past 2-4 years, is just sitting calmly eating his lunch.

When WAS the limo going to pass by, for real?

We come to find that Mrs. Reid talks to her husband who is listening to the radio which states that the plane arrived late and the limo did not leave Love field until 11:55... how fortuitous for the assassin who is obviously pressed for time to get to a window when he BELIEVES, when any information available to this loner tells him the limo should pass by.

Yet how would Oswald know this? There is not a single bit of evidence that is shared by anyone who claims to have told Oswald anything about a radio broadcast and the delay in the motorcade... it is also not until 12:20 at the very least that Mrs. Reid finally decides to leave the lunchroom and attend the parade.

Is it possible that Oswald was still in the same lunchroom as Mrs. Reid? Did she see any men in the lunchroom when she finally decides to leave, KNOWING that the parade is running a bit late...?

If indeed Oswald was in that lunchroom; and there is evidence he was for his lunch around 12:00; then he was there when Mrs. Reid leaves the room... If this is NOT Oswald... where is he given his plan to have the rifle ready to fire from a South facing window between 12:00 and 12:30.

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt... at a little after noon on the 22nd Oswald has to accomplish the following: Retrieve the rifle, assemble the rifle, assemble the sniper's nest in the SE 6th floor corner without leaving a prints on any of these 20+ 40 lb boxes, hope that no one is on the 6th floor at the time, and do so without being seen or heard by anyone... for as we have the testimony... no one hears any of this happen or sees any of this occurring...

What is seen are men on the 6th floor at 12:15, one on the SW with a rifle and one on the SE looking out a window... neither of these men are Oswald... and both of these men are seen by a number of witnesses.

But no matter... since he MUST HAVE been able to accomplish all this within 15 to 20 minutes without actually knowing any of the timing details... we have to give him kudos for a good plan, even though there is virtually nothing to prove that any of these necessary steps were taken by Oswald.

Within 2 minutes of the shots being fired he is supposedly stopped in the lunchroom on the 2nd floor... yet that's not what Officer Marrion Baker writes on 11/22 and signs on 11/22 in his AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT.

No 2nd floor, no door to the lunchroom, no window in the door, no pulling of his pistol, none of this story to be is recorded on the afternoon of the killing by the Officer who stopped someone coming down the stairs 1-2 flights higher up and from where the shots were supposedly fired... the lunchroom scene does not materialize until the testimony of Roy Truly and Officer Baker, and in fact takes what would have been a much shorter time period for Baker's affidavit; "we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway." The content of this first hand first day recollection is ignored by the WC, which creates a scenario to avoid identifying whoever it was that Baker and Truly intercept coming down the stairs.

Despite all this we still have Oswald firing 3 times from this window with "that" rifle. For Oswald to have accomplished this amazing feat of shooting and to corroborate with witnesses, the barrel of the rifle was protruding from the window...

Three men, Norman, Williams and Jarman where positioned on the 5th floor directly beneath the SE corner not 15 feet from the muzzle of the rifle. These three men just feet below the SE window are subject to a rifle blast that produces over 150dB of sound/shockwave. Studies show that this level of sound, even down to 120dB, will render a person temporarily deaf, cause ringing in the ears and be quite painful for some time afterward... and not only does it happen once but 2 more times... yet one of these men claims to be able to hear the working of the bolt and clinking of the shells on the floor above... A sound this loud, repeated twice more from the same location and these men can only "think" or "believe" someone is shooting at the president... It stretches the bounds of credibility... but it MUST have happened that way...

Given what we now know about what Oswald could have known, and that we agree that he must have had a plan, even if only created three days before on Tuesday once he learns JFK is coming to Dallas and passing under his place of employment... It stretches the bounds of credibility to accept that this plan includes not knowing when the limo is to pass by and in turn having to be in a position to use the rifle he took such pains to bring to as well as hide in the TSBD. None of Oswald's necessary activities are offered by the WCR to support such a plan. It's all tautological: He must have been there because he had to be in order to fire the shots.

The Evidence is the Conspiracy...

When I originally offered the concept in August of 2010 on the Spartacus Education Forum it was well received and completely blows the WCR scenario out of the water... it remains impossible for the events to have happened the way they were described and not even possible to be considered by any thinking person.

As Vince Bugliosi says, although he wishes you conclude the opposite, this is indeed the most complicated murder of all time, and the WCR proves it to be so. Talking about the "evidence" as if it indicates anything related to the assassination is a hoax and a cruel joke on anyone who continues to play the game... The magician's trick of getting you to look here while the deception is happening over there...

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2 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

Yeah, he's probably thinking about the electric chair at this point. 

You just don't give up do you...   not to cast doubt, are you who you say you are?

ok, yes, casting doubt...  you're here like 5 minutes, present next to nothing but pithy, unsubstantiated one-liners... and what, you want to have a discussion or just make the point you have no idea what you're talking about?

51 minutes ago, Lance Payette said:

I don't really view him as scared at all. Consistent with his demeanor during interrogation, he's remarkably composed and in control. I wouldn't go so far as to say he's enjoying himself, but I do have the sense this is all theater and, at least in his mind, he's the scriptwriter and director. As I said previously, I think at this point he saw the endgame as a dramatic trial at which he and John Abt would make the Marxist case.

   wow... it's as if you have no idea there are millions of pages of documents that shows how wrong you are...  you ever even LOOK at the ARRB?

No wonder I put you on ignore...  that has to be one of the most uninformed posts I've ever seen...  sure does look like he's having a good time...

Any idea who the guy in the middle is?

1 hour ago, Gerry Down said:

Alot of people came to Tippits aid. The wallet could belong to any of these people.

Gerry... maybe take a little time to go read something about the subject before you express an opinion?

"Could"?

"If" grandma had a hanging set she COULD be my grandpa....  anything in your mind is possible, in reality it becomes a different story with constraints and other items of corroboration...  grandma ain't never going to be grandpa.

Is it really too much to ask that you prepare yourself BEFORE you post to explain what you are trying to say?

No Gerry, the wallet could NOT have belonged to any of those people, otherwise when looked at and commented about it it could be given back to the person who dropped it...

You are aware that Oswald was set up to take the blame for Tippit and JFK...  or do you think this forum exists on Fantasy Island?

38 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

He probably wishes he hadn't shot Kennedy at this point. Now he's gonna get the chair.

You kidding, right?

Is this really Bugliosi with a pseudo-name...  

Thanks Bill...

I'm satisfied that is WESTBROOK....   and his being with Morales in Vietnam does add an air of spookiness to the whole matter (pun intended)

Those who read this and can take their knowledge of Westbrook and Croy to the next level will begin to see how out of character for a Captain of Personnel he behaved that day....  even if the photo was manufactured or is not him... we do know that he went to Vietnam as an advisor for the CIA ...

The HSCA asked him about the side door to the 1st floor of the Courts building, which is the closest entrance to Western Union and leads directly to stairs which take you to the basement parking area.. he said neither the DPD or FBI bothered to check that possibility...  HSCA concludes THAT entrance was the most likely one Ruby took... and it turns out "a reserve officer" (ala Croy) relieved the patrolmen by those stairs/elevators so they could direct traffic...

Other than the one Reserve Officer, no one was there who could have seen Ruby come thru the stairs door and walk over to the railinig were CROY says he saw him standing minutes before Oswald came out...  Others confirm Ruby standing by the railings and then moving into position.  again, FWIW.

Joh and I did quite a bit of work to find out what we did.... https://harveyandlee.net/Oswald_Killed/Oswald_Killed.html

The writing is John's with my input on most the images and some of the salient points made...  John sometimes exceeds the bounds of fact with speculation about the pre-planning due to the unavailability of direct evidence.. yet the suppositions are worth considering.

DJ 

Thanks Gil... Love that amazing moment in this clip when he is told again that he IS charged with JFK...

Like a double-take of misbelief and reluctant acceptance...  wrote too soon, the end of the clip is cut off...  at :56 he is told "You have been charged"

reaction is priceless...

 

6 hours ago, Chris Bristow said:

Aligning the overlay using the eyes will correct most of the differences. There will still be subtle differences and whether they are due to a difference in head tilt and head turn would require some fairly subtle modeling.

I agree Chris, which is why I did it 2 ways on page 1... first aligned to the right ear, and below that aligned to the left eye, the 2 color one... the left eye overlay is almost impossible to differentiate front from back Oswald... but look at the rest of the overlay...

mouth, nose and eyes do not align at all, and the size/shape of the head is different (and the body skeleton's are different as to how their shoulders fall...)

Just for added backup, go to CE1961 and 1962...  1961 is where Oswald was throughout his military service, 1962 is ALLEN FELDE telling a much different story and why ELY found so many conflicts in his Military bio...

And then the FBI goes out and finds the wrong FELDE (below)

They go find ROBERT ALLEN FELDE when the man's name was ALLEN R FELDE...  the NOTE in the report even admits they have the wrong FELDE...

Good ole FBI . When they do finally find FELDE in JUNE 1964, we get CE1962 above.

9 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

Let me join Stuart in requesting a way to prove Westbrook is with Morales!    That would be a golden find.

Me too for that matter...

How would/could you confirm that was Westbrook in any case Bill?   What would be a reasonable proof?

3 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

I cant find the source for this atm in my files. But the russians admitted they slipped stuff into his drink in order to get him to talk more in the hope he would slip up and reveal he was a U.S. agent or something.

Does anyone else here have a link to the document in which the russians admit to spiking Oswalds drink?

If the spiking was regular, it could in part explain changes to Oswalds appearance from the time he was in the marines to the time up to the JFK assassination. 

Hope it was not "Passport to Assassination"....  not a lot of truth offered in that book

Just now, Stu Wexler said:

David. Do you have confirmation that is Westbrook in the photo with Morales?  That does indeed look like Morales

Stu

I didn't look at the name written on his underwear... . 

What kind of confirmation would you like ? 

Other than the obvious set of circumstances placing him in Vietnam at the time, the two images of the man look the same to me...  and everywhere I have found reference to this image it has been understood and accepted THAT is Westbrook...  best I can do right now

.  Slightly older version of him 

Yes Greg it is... this forum simply has no place for the work of Myers, Posner, Mack or Bugliosi...  and for you to honestly support the work of dishonest men in an attempt to make factual points is just a shame.

Myers kept the deception he fostered upon the community and whoever else reading his drek for as long as possible...  he's been exposed for the charlatan he is.

I have no doubt you have a photo of the man hanging on your wall next to Bugliosi... and Gary Mack.

You want to accept 3rd hand stories as fact, fine... then don't bother challenging anything I post with 1st hand  corroborated evidence

K?

If you missed it on the first page...  this is indeed Jenner and Rankin discussing the wholesale alteration and/or omission of facts related to the biography of Oswald because there are so many men who were with Lee in different places and different settings that is became absurd for Ely to continue.

Check out CE1961 and 1962...  the list of places Oswald supposedly was in the marines, and Allen Felde reporting where he was with Oswald...

They don't match... which leads us back to ELY and Jenner and Rankin.

57 minutes ago, Mark Ulrik said:

The guy in the photo seems to have an overbite, so perhaps Robert is a better candidate than Lee.

Pretty sure it's Lee, Mark.

I have thousands of images of the man in my files, many are simply not available on the internet as they were never scanned from the archives ...

Armstrong and Malcolm Blunt spent weeks there together every year for many, many years... thanks to Bart we have much more of Blunt's collection digitized..

And thanks to the old Baylor site and John himself, I was able to acquire many of them ...

Also been thru the Weisberg directories... and I've still only scratched the surface...  as well as thousands and thousands of files from the '17, '18 and '22 releases...
Many repeat of course yet I still have over 62,000 lines in my spreadsheet of links to docs from these releases.

2 hours ago, Lance Payette said:

Do they look quite startlingly different? Absolutely. Am I prepared to say they are two different people? No, but I will grant they look different. Take a look at the childhood montage I posted - in two of those photos, his shoulders seem quite sloped. (Look at the first image.) I would need at least three highly respected experts in this type of analysis to say "This is simply not the same man."

Lance, all the early photos are of Lee except for the bottom left... and as I've mentioned... there is much much more than just photos to illustrate they were different men...

Airplane mechanics do not suddenly become air traffic controllers on a CIA controlled base where the U2 was kept.

btw - we also have the comparison of his marine dental records and the exhumation teeth which simply do not match at all...
these are the top teeth, the marine records, the exhumation record and the bottom teeth..

Teeth 1, 16, 17 and 32 (wisdom teeth) were gone on LEE in the marines... they were there in 1981...
Tooth #30 appears to be some sort of dental work... Sandy Larsen did a great write up here you can find...  and below you can see how there also Lee's mother and the woman how was with Harvey..  Lee's mother never wore glasses and never was a nurse...  The Marge with Harvey was a very strange bird indeed....

FWIW

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Seems I found it in a google search.. and it was probably from an auction site...

32 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

I second this emotion. Where did you get that supposed teenage Oswald photo? 

I believe it came off an auction site...  but I will dig a little and see if I can pinpoint where I found it

Too many files and my naming convention is not helping me find it...  

More than likely it was scanned at the archives and was in one of Armstrong's notebook which are no longer easy to search at Baylor.

When I talk to John again, I will ask...  I'm usually very good at naming files so I can find them later as well as where they came from, usually in the file name...  but no such luck yet... sorry

DJ

Just now, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

I still have a lot to read on the subject, but I do know comparing pictures (and handwritings)

can be a challenge, pictures below from George'von Mohrenschildt's Immigration files in Belgium.

Only 3 years in between 

Agreed Jean...  If it was just image comparison to present my case, it would be difficult... luckily there are many, many other aspects to the existence of these 2 men to call upon...   and like most any area of this case, it take time and some dedication to work thru all the data.

How does a trained Mechanic go overseas to a U2 airbase and become an air traffic controller?

How is the man both in the Philippines on guard duty and on his ship getting medical treatment at the same moment?

Why do we have Provo Marshal GORSKY claiming that his Oswald left the Marines in March 1959 and his records sent to DC?

How do we have one Oswald on a boat to Europe while another one takes a plane?

Again, tip of the iceberg stuff... I mentioned JOHN ELY, Jenner and Rankin earlier...  Amazing what he found out, and more amazing what the lead lawyers wanted to do about it.

This stuff has Angleton/Phillips/Hunt all over it as the CIA had a much better working situation with the military than the FBI.  Same budget basically.
All the FBI did was manufacture the evidentiary cover-up.  at least how I see it after 25+ years at this.

DJ

 

3 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:

It's thought-provoking. Didn't Robert say he wouldn't have recognized the kid in the zoo photo as his brother? Or was he speaking about the Oswald in the leafleting footage? Either way, it's an odd thing for anyone to say.

Pic says this repeatedly when shown images from LIFE magazine...  He gets it right each and every time...  His testimony with the exhibits nearby helps alot...

Robert on the other hand could almost pass for Harvey... and might have.  Their writing is very similar as well

45 minutes ago, Lance Payette said:

In my adult life, my weight has ranged from 135 (marathon runner) to 190-something (overeating fatty with my Achilles in a cast for months) to 158 for the past 20 years. I have photos of myself that even I would swear aren't me. I'll spare you, but I could post 15 photos here that everyone would say, "No way is that the same person!"

What is the provenance of the last photo?

His childhood photos do show a propensity toward chubbiness quite different from the emaciated character of 1963.

You make a great point - being a runner will indeed change your physique.  whether it changes your skeletal structure from sloped shoulders to not, I doubt it.

Point blank Lance....

Do you see these as the same man side by side? Inset on left in uniform same as man in uniform on right?

btw - the image at the bottom left of your collage is HARVEY at Beauregard Jr High 1954

 

30 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

Plus he was drugged in Russia. God only knows what that did to him. Hair started falling out and everything.

Ekdahl prob fed Oswald well. Plenty money in that timeframe. Marguerite afterwards maybe not so much.

Then the marines prob fed him well. Then the Russians started drugging him. Only good dinner he got again was prob in DPD custody.

Where do you get all this stuff Gerry?   

The Russians claimed they drugged him?  Never heard that before...  please cite a source or 3...

Thx

31 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

Well i'm taken aback by the last photo. That doesn't look like Oswald at all.

That's the point Gerry... it is not the man Ruby killed... that is the natural born LEE H. OSWALD who hated being called Harvey, was tough as nails, never spoke or read Russian and was an aircraft mechanic in the Marines... not a radar operator as Harvey was in ATSUGI.

A man with this designation is not qualified to be a radar operator, a completely different discipline...  this is also why Harvey was such a terrible mechanic for any job he took... Harvey focused on photography, Russian, and being very secretive until he needed to create a scene and be remembered...

 

12 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

Well i'm taken aback by the last photo. That doesn't look like Oswald at all. Are you sure its not someone else like his half-brother John Pic?

It does look a little like the youth in the Bronx zoo photo though. 

I'm sure, yes....  looks to me this boy is even bigger and heavier than the 23 year old Oswald..

 

 

Also please notice how LEE's shoulders slope down while Harvey's doesn't.. the same in virtually every photo...  the 1959 passport photo is the LAST IMAGE OF LEE we know of...

Been over this for many years.... and this is just the tip of the evidentiary record showing 2 Oswald's...  Look up John Ely and how Jenner and Rankin need to "correct or omit" much of the work he did on Oswald's bio...

DJ