Shanet Clark

This is a full public retraction of all statements I have ever made concerning TIM GRATZ. I was wrong. I apologize. I had only the material posted here to go on. I exceded the standards of decorum, and I apologize to the member. This will also be my final posting on the FORUM. Best wishes to all...........

John Great list of mistakes made by the Watergate burglars. I have always been most struck by the fact that Frank Sturgis resorted to loud hammering to break down the door. It seems these experienced "tradecraft" professionals failed to use their skills while working for CREEP....would they have bungled a job so badly if their CIA case officers had been overseeing them? Probably not. I have reason to believe that Watergate burglars Eugenio Martinez, Bernard Barker and Virgilio Gonzales were involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.... They are unlikely to talk, because of the threatening presence of other "enforcers" in Miami today, the same men whose names are sometimes suppressed by the search engines..........

That shot probably came from the south knoll (to kennedy's left) and not from the sewer.

I have a number of friends and journalistic associates in Wisconsin. They have struggled to publish newspapers for many years, under the auspices of a loose Alternative Press Syndicate. They have been infiltrated and sabotaged in many ways, burglarized, the papers have been infiltrated by known federal agents repeatedly. They have told me about personal knowledge they had of the manipulation of Arthur Bremer. This is a sad story, one tied to CHAOS and MOCKINGBIRD. It is absolutely appalling that one of our most vocal FORUM members was at the center of this effort. ......................

Tim I was never named as part of the group manipulating ARTHUR BREMER. I was not part of the 1972 CREEP dirty tricks campaign. I don't believe ANGLETON or HELMS or repeat their theories here. YOU DO !

Good point John Marks never would have found out the facts about MK/ULTRA (since the operational files were destroyed) unless the financial files had turned up. Oswald's money is just another sign that this guy was working for the government long after he left the Marines, defected and counter-defected.

James Good advice. Best Wishes. Shanet

In general this is now a REACTIONARY regime in Washington. This word has a specific meaning. Since Social Security was a New Deal Democratic program, the REACTIONARIES want to reverse (privatize) the policy. Since JIMMY CARTER wanted conservation, the reactionaries do not. Since BILL CLINTON ended the US production of PLUTONIUM, the reactionaries want to make it again, etc. This is the bankruptcy of ideas now plaguing Washington... If a DEMOCRAT did something, that something must be reversed.

James The same could be said of the man with the "tramps." This photo resembles Jack Ruby, and the tramps photo resembles Maxwell Taylor AND Colonel Lansdale..........

Then there are the George Bushes, Skull and Bones, CIA and Texas Oil all in one. Brown and Root, DRAPER industries and BELL HELICOPTER...... And of course Earl Cabell ......

Absolutely, Ron. Not a coincidence...............

I found Judyth's story in TMWKK television show to be credible. With so much of the story classified (and so many witnesses murdered) we have to loosen our historical standards a little, to get at the truth. I believe Judyth saw what she said she saw: Oswald working with Ferrie on a cancer weapon, the injection of prisoners, etc. She has credibility precisely because she has no government sinecure...... Her story should be taken at face value until it is DISPROVED, in my view....

I want to recommend a book to the group. It is available on Amazon. VIRTUAL GOVERNMENT CIA MIND CONTROL OPERATIONS IN AMERICA It ties together OPERATION PAPERCLIP, the MK ULTRA, DILLON READ, ALLEN DULLES and some recent events. It is not specifically about the JFK assassination, but it sheds light on the workings of the Nazis, John McCone, John J. McCloy, Frank Wisner and Cord Meyer. There is a full chapter on OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD. The Taos ELF hum, Jim Jones' Peoples Temple, the SLA and recent occult child abuse rings -- (the work of old Nazis and the new CIA) --- are all addressed in a sober, referenced and convincing manner........

I think Shackley was Florer. Florer was apprehended around the Dal Tex building and gave a story so similar to Brading/Braden that they seem to be scripted. It seems to me that "babyface" Shackley and "gangland" Braden were a shooting team, one with a rifle, the other with a radio, in the Dal Tex.

What did I tell you? Thanks for the support ............

I knew Harry had something substantial to share with us, and this is it. Reactonary militants and some very strong candidates from the past. Thanks

This thread is GUARANTEED to be swamped by disinformation, so I will keep this short and direct: The problem with Tim Gratz's theory is that hinges on Santo Trafficante. Trafficante had shadowy dealings with organized crime in the US and he had running interests in Cuba. By twisting the limited record, he can be linked to Castro's agents.....but... It is just as easy, or easier, to see that TRAFFICANTE was linked to Carlos Marcello, Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli..... In Fact, isn't it more likely that TRAFFICANTE was in bed with BEBE REBOZO and RICHARD NIXON, because of his Florida organized crime connections with MEYER LANSKY ??? My point is this: Trafficante may have paid the odd Castro double agent, but if Marita Lorenz is to be believed, it seems that LANSKY, NIXON and TRAFFICANTE sent Frank Sturgis to Dallas with weapons in 1963. The volume of material Gratz is willing to post never really gets beyond this basic objection, does it. Gratz relationship with DONALD SEGRETTI and KARL ROVE, as a dirty tricks campus organizer in 1972 -- BUT WATCH OUT --- HERE IT COMES ---- THE TSUNAMI OF B.S. !!! and published material linking him to a group influencing ARTHUR BREMER make it imperative that we be SUSPICIOUS of this UNUSUAL member.....

So TIM GRATZ is an unindicted co-conspirator from the Watergate Era ! This would explain his attack on Mark Felt, his sympathy with COLSON, and his ability to accept the theories of ANGLETON and HELMS. Why does he try to take over every legitimate thread? What is his motivation to say "Castro did it"? Why does he cry crocodile tears over C.D. DILLON being suspect in 1963? Some say TIM GRATZ has no job, but I say he is WORKING .......... END OF STORY ! YOU ARE OUT OF THE GAME !

The failure of the SS to maintain speed and accelerate out of the ambuscade have not gone away, not by any means. The route, the slow slow speed, the braking under fire, indicate some willful resistance to basic limosine security standards. After DeDaulles driver saved his life from ambush by pure acceleration; the agencies failed in a spectacular manner. If Oswald was only a sociopath who defected to USSR and came back, he would have been watched. Look at the fourteen agents atop the railroad overpass directly over Kennedy's head. Look at the bright red brake lights in the color photos. Watch the film of a CLINT HILL run and catch the vehicle and climb aboard the walking speed vehicle !!!!!!! A heavy limousine would COAST down that grade at 20-30 miles an hour, with no acceleration at all............ The security didn't "fail" it simply did as instructed to allow the EXECUTIVE SANCTION /// /// ///

To say Gratz is fatuous and intellectually impotent is like saying the Elephant Man was a little puffy under the eyes. Lecturing Greg (and all else)? Amusing, or not so, depending on how you look at it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, I was taking it easy on him. You should hear what I really think............

DISINFORMATION AND FLOODING OF THIS FORUM IS NOW OCCURRING IGNORE THE DISRUPTIVE AND REACTIONARY MESSAGES USE CRITICAL THINKING AND QUESTION AUTHORITY

Let me elucidate. Clarence Douglas Dillon had a similar background to Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles. International banking with plenty of contact with German corporate interests, intelligence and highest level financial privateering, war profiteering. I introduced him as a possible conspirator based on his STRUCTURAL location in the chain of command, and because of the outlandish failures of his employees in the Secret Service. I have named THOMAS KARAMESSINES, MARSHALL CARTER, MAXWELL TAYLOR and RICHARD HELMS for similar reasons. The executive sanction model, based on incapacity or loss of clearance, is a common sense approach and should be viewed as a synthesis of reasonable difficulties with the AUTOPSY, WARREN REPORT, HSCA 1978 REPORT, etc. The theory that Castro and the KGB murdered Kennedy is based on the statements of ALEXANDER HAIG, RICHARD HELMS and JAMES JESUS ANGLETON. Tim Gratz theory is not credible by any stretch of the imagination. It is not coherent, coherent or compelling. It is false and in fact, disinformation. While I believe John Simkins, Larry Hancock and James Richards have identified the TACTICAL agents responsible for the assassination, I have reason to believe my theory of EXECUTIVE SANCTION is the STRATEGIC and closely held source of the tactical ambush. When Barr McClellan gained notoriety for his theory implicating Lyndon Johnson, I decided (at great personal risk) to disclose my conclusions concerning the intelligence findings, incapacity findings and removal of JFK by Cabinet Level executives within the government. Tim Gratz presence on the FORUM is disruptive and comically inept. His point of view is typical of the Neoconservative and right wing mindless authoritarians who are now in power in Washington. Tim Gratz failure to engage critical thinking or use rational approaches is obvious. He is in fact a simple foil, and a straw man. He is like the simpleton who writes angry patriotic letters to the local paper. Those of us who have broken through our indoctrination and socialization to question authority see Tim Gratz's material for what it is: Right wing propaganda which shows a laughable lack of critical thinking. It is obvious that this individual is out-numbered and pathetically incompetent in pushing his outlandish and unsatisfactory hypothesis. I saw G. Gordon Liddy give a speech once, and he defended the burglary of the Democratic Headquarters because the McGovern people were "Communists" Gratz is fatuous and intellectually impotent, and his disinformation campaign should be heartily ignored as the work of an amusing reactionary...........

The FBI reorganization efforts have all been flawed. They could not research their own databases and they scrapped their computer system. Mueller keeps adding layers and Executive reorganization schemes. This new shake up will not help them, either. The CIA and NSA don't trust them at all, and keep everything from them. Justice and FBI are the Barney Fife's of the intelligence agencies, real deadwood. Plus they used their labs to frame people so often judges don't believe their technical findings. The FBI is full of tenured state employees who trip over each other trying for institutional advancement but the terrorists and criminals in the street never quite make the list..............

Anybody got any more stuff on the Novel One?