Shanet Clark

Two doctrines collide here, the Monroe Doctrine says we should secure Caribbean islands against foreign empires in the Western Hemisphere (the comintern in cuba). However, the Cold War's nuclear weapons made MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION the doctrine dictating prudence with Cuba in 1961. Invading Cuba could easily have led to a nuclear exchange, so the risks outweighed the benefits, which is why Kennedy "choked" on the Bay of Pigs... For a Madison boy, you are over on the right!

Albert Spaggiari, Author of Fric Frac, The Great Riviera Bank Robbery. Former OAS mercenary and paratrooper in Laos in the early 1960's. Claimed to have had George DeGaulle "in his sights" but didn't pull the trigger.

Tim By "bring Democracy to Cuba" I assume you mean an invasion by U.S. troops? I think some members would like to see you lead the first wave onto the beach...

Please do!

Emmett Hudson was a grounds keeper for the plaza. While anything is possible - the two men on the steps with Emmett may have just walked off into history as did the majority of people in and around Dealey Pplaza that day who were never heard of again. Unlike the dark complected man next to the umbrella man, which seemed to be on a radio soon after the shooting, the men on the steps didn't seem to be trying to communicate with anyone following the shooting. As for spotters ... with their backs to the knoll and the alleged assassins up over the hill and behind the fence - how could they have been spotting for anyone? It appears that Hat Man and Badge Man already had lookouts near them and one carrying a fake Secret Service badge. The man in red sat down with Hudson after the shooting. The man who ran off when the shooting began does not seem all that suspicious to me because of what he did. If associated with the assassins, then he would have drawn attention to himself and the assassins by running back into the RR yard during the shooting. This doesn't seem like a good move. He also would have known where to stand so not to be in the line of fire and if part of the pplot, then why would he have to run off when he could have just remained looking innocent and stayed put for a little while. So anyway, I just wanted to point out another view as to what may or may not have happened concerning the three men on the steps. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bill Why do you always minimize the obvious importance of these events? You have "explained away" so much evidence, and dismissed things other people see as very important. I expect that next you will say that NO shots were fired, and that John Kennedy is still alive.

There would be no war in the middle east today and no chance of Social Security being dismantled if little Elian Gonzalez had been left alone with his auntie. When the Janet Reno squad busted in to take that little boy back to Cuba, that is the exact moment when the Democrats lost their majority in Florida.

John, I was watching an old news clip of the Dallas TSBD on 11/22/63 and the authorities brought out a rifle with a scope. The newscaster said they had found a BRITISH 303. What is a British 303? Is it the same as a MC 6.5? What with the Mauser (7.6?) this makes for 3 SMOKING GUNS.... Have you seen this TV video? Is the gun the same as the "Hidell" rifle? thanks Shanet

Dude, if that is your best piece of evidence you have a real problem...

We are bigger men than the ones in power. We are critical and courageous, they are timid and docile. We speak up at great risk, they clam up for personal gain. We make sense, they make a mockery of reason. We probe for the truth, they deny, deny and classify. We speak out in dismay, they hide behind grim institutional walls. We think, they only react. We explore the world, they retreat from it's reality. We struggle, they sit in wealth and arrogant contempt. We see the truth, they are blinded by misplaced self-interest. We fight for Constitution and Reason, they consolidate power irrationally. We live in pride, they are shameless and neurotic in their denial. We look for explanations, they only hunt for excuses. We act in the tradition of patriots, they act in the tradition of treason. We are free, they are indoctrinated, trained to go along, co-opted & intimidated. We are people, and they are simply beasts with polyester suits and trophy wives. We are self actualized, they are programmed. Be brave, be courageous, be critical..... we are better Americans, better scholars, better thinkers, better people. ...And then Shanet climbed down from the mountain and went unto Galilee....

Your name is going on a list, young man, you have no respect for authority...

Here's a list of obscure books, obviously of mixed legitimacy and value: Murray N. Rothbard, Economic Determinism and the Conspiracy Theory of History Revisited, (Audio-Forum) & America's Great Depression, (Nash, 1972). Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (Macmillan, 1966) Carroll Quigley, The Evolution of Civilizations. Gabriel Kolko, The Triumph of Conservatism, (Quadrangle) Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible, (Avon Books, 1969). Arkon Daraul, Secret Societies, (Citadel Press, 1962). Count Egon Caesar Corti, The Rise of the House of Rothschild, The Reign of the House of Rothschild, (Cosmopolitan Book Corp., 1928). Max Stirner, The Ego and His Own, (Libertarian Book Club, 1963). Robert Ardrey, The Social Contract, (Dell Publishing, 1970). Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil: Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future, (Random House, 1966.) George Orwell, Animal Farm, (New American Library) Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince, (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1955). Ludwig von Mises, Theory and History, (Arlington House, 1969). Human Action, Henry Regnery, 1966. James J. Martin, Revisionist Viewpoints, (Ralph Myles Publisher, 1971). Committee on Government Operations-U.S. Senate, Disclosure of Corporate Ownership, (U.S. Government Printing Office, 1974). Antony C. Sutton, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street and FDR, (Arlington House, 1975.) Gabriel Kolko, The Triumph of Conservatism, (Quadrangle Books, 1967). Richard Ney, The Will Street Gang, (Praeger Publishers, 1974). Ferdinand Lundberg, The Rich and the Super-Rich, (Lyle Stuart, 1968). America's 60 Families, (Vanguard, 1938). William G. Domhoff, Who Rules America? (Prentice Hall, 1967.) The Higher Circles. (Random House, 1970). Matthew Josephson, Money Lords, (New American Library, 1973). The Robber Barons. (Harcourt Brace & Co., 1934). George H. Shibley, The Money Question, (Stable Money Publishing Co., 1896). Jules Archer, The Plot to Seize the White House, (Hawthorn Books, 1973). William Hoffman. David: Report on a Rockefeller, (Dell Publishing, 1972). Joel Andreas, The Incredible Rocky, North American Congress on Latin America, 1973. Gustavus Myers, The History of the Great American Fortunes 1907 Antony C. Sutton, National Suicide, (Arlington House, 1973). Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., The Economic Pinch, Dorrance & Company, Inc., 1923, Reprinted by Omni Publications. Louis T. McFadden, Collective Speeches of Congressman McFadden, (Omni Publications, 1970.) H.S. Kenan, The Federal Reserve Bank,( The Noontide Press, 1968). Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy , (Concord Press, 1973.) Richard Nixon - The Man Behind the Mask, (Western Islands, 1971). The Rockefeller File, ('76 Press, 1976). Dan Smoot, The Invisible Government, (The Dan Smoot Report, Inc., 1962). W. Cleon Skousen, The Naked Capitalist, 1970. Taylor Caldwell, Captains and Kings, (Fawcett Publications, 1973). John Robison, Proofs of Conspiracy, 1798, Reprinted by Western Islands. Nesta Webster, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements, (Christian Book Club, 1967.) A. N. Field, The Truth About the Slump, 1931, Reprinted by Omni Publications, 1962. William Robert Plumme, The Untold History, (The Committee for the Restoration of the Republic, 1964). June Grem, Karl Marx: Capitalist, (Enterprise Publications, 1972). Emanuel Josephson, Rockefeller Internationalist: Man Who Misrules the World, (Chedney Press, 1962. ) DOMHOFF and QUIGLEY are probably the only two I would put into any bibiography, although the others have value as cultural markers and may contain some legitimate content.....the Jules Archer book "the plot to seize the White House" may have some relevance for us .... feel free to add to the list, or post opinions on the books, Lyndon LaRouche, the New World Order, John Birch Society theory, Skull and Bones, Trilateral and CFR theory, etc ...... "IGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN" ..... Frank L. Baum

Evan, (and whoever else is following this odd thread), I found a few copies of Josephson's book for sale on Amazon for 40-80 dollars. No summary or reviews were found. But the full title is "the Strange Death of FDR: History of the Roosevelt Delano Dynasty, America's Royal Family." (1948 Chedney Press) Dr. Emanuel Josephson also wrote "Your Life is Their Toy" about radiation and medicine, "Rockefeller Internationalist, The Man Who Misrules the World" (Chesney 1962) and "The Federal Reserve Conspiracy and the Rockefellers" Apparently Dr. Josephson saw the Rockefellers as Satanically evil and hegemonically powerful.... Here's a list of other obscure books, obviously of mixed legitimacy and value. Carroll Quigley was certainly legitimate, but the trend of the Josephson sites was toward hysterical New World Order conspiracy theories.... Heres the list that includes his FDR book: Murray N. Rothbard, Economic Determinism and the Conspiracy Theory of History Revisited, (Audio-Forum) & America's Great Depression, (Nash, 1972). Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (Macmillan, 1966) Gabriel Kolko, The Triumph of Conservatism, (Quadrangle) Carroll Quigley, The Evolution of Civilizations. Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible, (Avon Books, 1969). Arkon Daraul, Secret Societies, (Citadel Press, 1962). Count Egon Caesar Corti, The Rise of the House of Rothschild, The Reign of the House of Rothschild, (Cosmopolitan Book Corp., 1928). Max Stirner, The Ego and His Own, (Libertarian Book Club, 1963). Robert Ardrey, The Social Contract, (Dell Publishing, 1970). Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil: Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future, (Random House, 1966.) George Orwell, Animal Farm, (New American Library) Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince, (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1955). Ludwig von Mises, Theory and History, (Arlington House, 1969). Human Action, Henry Regnery, 1966. James J. Martin, Revisionist Viewpoints, (Ralph Myles Publisher, 1971). Committee on Government Operations-U.S. Senate, Disclosure of Corporate Ownership, (U.S. Government Printing Office, 1974). Antony C. Sutton, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street and FDR, (Arlington House, 1975.) Gabriel Kolko, The Triumph of Conservatism, (Quadrangle Books, 1967). Richard Ney, The Will Street Gang, (Praeger Publishers, 1974). Ferdinand Lundberg, The Rich and the Super-Rich, (Lyle Stuart, 1968). America's 60 Families, (Vanguard, 1938). William G. Domhoff, Who Rules America? (Prentice Hall, 1967.) The Higher Circles. (Random House, 1970). Matthew Josephson, Money Lords, (New American Library, 1973). The Robber Barons. (Harcourt Brace & Co., 1934). George H. Shibley, The Money Question, (Stable Money Publishing Co., 1896). Jules Archer, The Plot to Seize the White House, (Hawthorn Books, 1973). William Hoffman. David: Report on a Rockefeller, (Dell Publishing, 1972). Joel Andreas, The Incredible Rocky, North American Congress on Latin America, 1973. Gustavus Myers, The History of the Great American Fortunes 1907 Antony C. Sutton, National Suicide, (Arlington House, 1973). Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., The Economic Pinch, Dorrance & Company, Inc., 1923, Reprinted by Omni Publications. Louis T. McFadden, Collective Speeches of Congressman McFadden, (Omni Publications, 1970.) H.S. Kenan, The Federal Reserve Bank,( The Noontide Press, 1968). Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy , (Concord Press, 1973.) Richard Nixon - The Man Behind the Mask, (Western Islands, 1971). The Rockefeller File, ('76 Press, 1976). Dan Smoot, The Invisible Government, (The Dan Smoot Report, Inc., 1962). W. Cleon Skousen, The Naked Capitalist, 1970. Taylor Caldwell, Captains and Kings, (Fawcett Publications, 1973). John Robison, Proofs of Conspiracy, 1798, Reprinted by Western Islands. Nesta Webster, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements, (Christian Book Club, 1967.) A. N. Field, The Truth About the Slump, 1931, Reprinted by Omni Publications, 1962. William Robert Plumme, The Untold History, (The Committee for the Restoration of the Republic, 1964). June Grem, Karl Marx: Capitalist, (Enterprise Publications, 1972). Emanuel Josephson, Rockefeller Internationalist: Man Who Misrules the World, (Chedney Press, 1962. ) DOMHOFF and QUIGLEY are probably the only two I would put into any bibiography, although the others have value as cultural markers and may contain some legitimate content.....the Jules Archer book "the plot to seize the White House" may have some relevance for us .... { Sorry to wander into the Larouche and John Birch paradigm, but they may be on to something --- how does one explain the Skull and Bones, for example....}

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it is Emmett Hudson and two other unnamed men who have never come forward...generally people think they were securing the stairs and sidewalk leading back to the fence/wall area where all the "action" was. Even if you dont' believe in BADGEMAN, BLACK DOG MAN or NIX CLASSIC GUNMAN, the traffic, car tracks, cigarettes and blood make that a real hotspot -- plus people heard shots from there. They look like a team in the same way that the Dark complected man and Umbrella man do....the men who waved and then just sat down in place on the curb.....

The timing was pretty tight, supposedly ninety seconds. I don't think Oswald ever saw the "snipers nest" and was framed. The palm print (post mortem?) and the lack of nitrates --- along with the lunch room event --- point away from "Oswald, on the 6th floor, with a Mannlicher Carcano" Has anyone else seen the Wim Dankbaar documents that point to only two shells on the sixth floor....? The original report said two shells only... Ron, you are the master of all testimony, what do you think of the "two cartridge" theory. Also I watched the MSNBC jfk special and it showed news footage of a rifle being brought out and named as a "BRITISH 303" Is a 303 the same as a 6.5? Is the rifle in the newsreel a Mannlicher Carcano? Of course I think 'they' used a stash of Il Duce high grade Carcanos with no serial numbers that Max Taylor got out of Mussolini's offices in Rome in 1943, "they" shot Kennedy with one and then "found" the other one, all with the same added Serial # ...........this explains a number of otherwise impossible things about the rifle(s)..........

A murky morass of mirrors. Epstein's LEGEND lays out a pretty reasonable summary.

Duncan, the second lens is pretty clear, thank you. This of course would give a back-up film stock (or a "take Two") for use in the editing process, from virtually an identical Point of View....very cool post......

Thanks Jim, The Bartholomew material was the first reference to Darnal that I came across, and Bartholomew thinks the assassination to Admiral Darnal was an Allen Dulles project....so they are linked. I am still looking for anything on the Cabarra attempt in 1962 on DeGaulle, to see if any operational or personnel aspects resemble Dallas........

Pat, that is the consensus, you are right. The tasking issue is complex though, John Dean was more powerful within the White House than people thought. He has been shown to have lied in a number of instances; where he said he checked with Haldeman before going forward on the taps...The Larry O'Brien theory of a Hughes file (on Nixon) in the DNC desk is the leading long term theory for the motivation, but the call girl ring, sexual extortion and Dean's personal agenda is the new challenger to the O'Brien theory. Of course it is eminently germane to the JFK assassination because of the presence of Howard Hunt, McCord, Sturgis, Martinez, Gonzales and Bernard Barker, who has been shown to be the "Secret Service" man behind the fence in Dealey Plaza 11/22/63.....Hunt and McCords priorities were mixed and murky.

Or just following orders....

Testimony and photos support it. Bill Miller and others downplay it as a soft drink. One witness said he tasted it and confirmed it was blood, but I think that was the "Lansdale gate" puddle, not the one at the wall. I think Tippett was killed for the same reason Oswald was framed and killed, they were both trying to save Kennedy after signing on to work the operation...

Her alleged code name in the CATHY DIETER trick book was CLOUT, because of the White House connection. I think this term is connected to KLUTE the 1971 film where JANE FONDA played a prostitute. Supposedly, Dean "tasked" the Cuban Burglars to steal the trick book out of the DNC offices because his girlfriend was in it....but they sue people who claim that as fact, so I am just telling you what the theory is. It involved the PIMP, a Mr. Phillip Mackin BAILEY, and his trial for procuring and prostitution. The deeper version holds that the CIA ran the CALL GIRL RING in order to extort and control politicians and ambassadors...this is where JOHN PAISLEY and ROBERT BENNETT of the CIA meld into the WATERGATE scandal. It is actually a very legitimate theory, as I found out by reading "straight" history articles on Watergate. MAXIE WELLS, the DNC secretary at the Watergate, sued G.Gordon Liddy for saying the TRICK BOOK was in MAXIE WELLS desk. This is the desk that the burglars, I believe Martinez, had the key to. The key to MAXIE WELLS desk was found on the CREEP burglary team, and supposedly JOHN DEAN had sent the burglars to WELLS desk to get the "HEIDI" CATHY REIKIN trick book. This trick book had the code name CLOUT in it, and JOHN DEAN arranged to see the TRICK BOOK when PHILIP BAILEY was on trial in Washington. But you knew that. Whores, bugs, politicians and law suits...it all makes sense, really........ And of course MO DEAN sat behind JOHN DEAN when he testified before the IRVIN COMMITTEE and wore a tight cashmere sweater to go with her cold & aloof look.

Two Large Puddles of Blood. One was at the NIX Classic Gunman position, between the retaining wall and the fence on the grassy knoll. It is in the Crouch Film. The other puddle of blood that afternoon was at the sidewalk of the TSBD, near the gate where "Lansdale" got so close to the three "tramps" -- the two puddles of blood are often mixed up in the testimony and commentary............never explained. Since the Police and Secret Service didn't return fire, it is reasonable to assume the blood came from shots fired during the ambush, ie crossfire. I don't think you can see the Retaining Wall position from the 6th floor "nest" but there is some evidence shots came from another window or the roof of the TSBD....perhaps Oswald and Tippett were a two man team who wanted to foul things up and shot at the grassy knoll sniper.

Mo Dean was privy to some of the DEA and DEAN secrets, she definitely had a few tricks up her sleeve...

Perhaps there was a crossfire, or "friendly fire..." Perhaps the TSBD shooter didn't really want to kill Kennedy, and took a shot at the team on the knoll, injuring the BADGEMAN, the BLACK DOG MAN, or the NIX CLASSIC GUNMAN. This would explain the blood. Oswald hinted to Judyth he might do something like that....

Dawn - I can vouch - both are great books, they really shaped how historians see Watergate. Silent Coup builds upon Secret Agenda so you should read HOUGAN first. They get into the call girl ring, Admiral Moorer (JCS) spying on Kissinger, and lots of dirty stuff about R.Bennett, Lou Russell, John Dean, Huston, etc.................I know you are busy, but these are fundamental. Shanet