Dawn Meredith

Greg, many years ago, an elderly friend of mine met an intoxicated "Bo Bo" Rockefeller (wife of Winthrop, a brother of David and Nelson and the first Republican governor of Arkansas) aboard the cruise ship Rafaello on a trip to Italy. Bo Bo told my friend—and this is a direct quote: "The most dangerous family in America are the Rockefellers." Those are not my words. Those are the words of a member of the Rockefeller family. I think that they are extremely dangerous. David especially. (Is he even still alive?) And actually the person referenced mainly thinks LBJ was "the Mastermind"

Very good presentation Greg. Wish it has been a bit longer. A little more focused on 273. (I thank Terry Mauro for bringing this to my attention yesterday in a moment of synchronicity.) Dawn Thanks Dawn. Did you recognize the voice of our favorite "Rockefeller did it" nut in the audience? Oh yes. And he is wrong to say it was merely CD who had him banned at DPF. His spamming with matters sexual, as well as continually spamming on other topics irrelevant to the forum, after he was warned countless times to cease, resulted in a vote to ban him. As I recall there were no dissenters. He does some good digging at times, but his total obsession with sex, both real and imagined, detracts so greatly that taking him seriously becomes impossible. Dawn

Very good presentation Greg. Wish it has been a bit longer. A little more focused on 273. (I thank Terry Mauro for bringing this to my attention yesterday in a moment of synchronicity.) Dawn

It is good to see someone else say this. I absolutely detested the remake, it bore no resemblance to the original. I do not know if Sinatra pulled it for the reason given here, but I believe it was pulled for political reasons. It totally explains the assassination of Bobby Kennedy. The irony of Frankenheimer driving Bobby to THAT spot is nearly impossible to believe. One of those coincidences that seems almost Divine. Not not in a positive manner, more in a way to guide one's thinking when viewing this very important film. Like Seven Days In May, these films are must owns. Dawn

More than one agenda can be occurring at a time. Hillary went on tv and said that there was a "right wing conspiracy" out to get her husband. This was true. Richard M. Scaife had an agenda and it is well- described in the book Blinded By The Right" (David Brock). However the points made in Don's post are extremely important. Also, even if only half of what Reed and Cummings report in their chilling memoir "Compromised" is true Clinton was in very deep, along with Poppy Bush. That is why the "Starr chamber" stuck to the lying- about - sex angel to impeach. IMHO. Dawn

Thank you Dean. I appreciate the kind words. This is a very different venue to be sure. I'm looking forward to it. GO_SECURE monk Boy it did not take "the entity" long to begin to interrogate you. I did not read his questions. By now you are familiar with the "players" here. Speaking of the entity... http://www.rense.com/ufo6/jfkss.htm Loved it, to the point. Thanks. Dawn

Thank you Dean. I appreciate the kind words. This is a very different venue to be sure. I'm looking forward to it. GO_SECURE monk Boy it did not take "the entity" long to begin to interrogate you. I did not read his questions. By now you are familiar with the "players" here.

I echo Mike Hogan, very glad to see young people interested in this. Passing the torch. Dawn

Greetings Billy and good luck with your new forum. My thanks to Robert Morrow for letting us know. Robert is a self-admitted Oswald accuser, and I respect him for making that admission. It is refreshing to meet such honesty because in my experience most Oswald accusers hide behind the screen of being legitimate conspiracy theorists Can you tell me if your forum allows someone to argue that Lee Oswald was completely innocent JUST LIKE MICHAEL MORTON http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7403194n&tag=contentBody%3BstoryMediaBox EDIT Ray That is simply not true. Robert is a lot of things but an accuser of LHO is not one of the. Dawn

Thanks for bringing it back on topic. The problem- one of many- with this forum is that people get off topic easily and get into pissing contests that the entire thread just turns into. Robert's obsession with all things sexual is disturbing. Dawn

Thanks for this Doug. I watched it again then posted it on facebook.

I completely agree Don. He also knew all about the October surprise. You do not have to kill someone to render then a threat. I give you Gary Hart. In Perot's case I have always felt the threat of "sabotaging" his daughter's wedding was code for a larger threat. Just my opinion. He's certainly disappeared and has never been heard from again. His "great sucking sound" of jobs leaving the US was sooo correct re NAFTA. Dawn

Right on. You didn't mention Juanita Broaddrick, whose story of being raped by Clinton was credible and, considering everything else about him, almost certainly true. It's both amusing and sad to see people defending the character of the Clintons. I think the problem here is that supporters of Democrats will not believe anything about their man. And in some cases they don't believe certain things about crime family Bush... Dawn

Robert: I was studying the enemy's propaganda almost before you were born. I don't need to go up there to see how ridiculous it all is. Your level of critical thinking is not even worthy of this response. I do love this Bill Hicks vid and have seen it many times. Dawn

You asked a serious question in a thread that then deteriorated. This quote has been around a very long time. I do believe it. To answer your question yes I think he found out a lot via the excellent appointments he made to the ARRB. The work they did is and was invaluable and has produced new evidence as well as further evidence to back up other research. Dawn

Greetings Dawn. Good to hear from you again. As a student of Charles Sanders Peirce I believe that truth will emerge in the long run even in Texas. I was very pleased by the handling of the subject by 60 Minutes. One thing that struck me however is that I wonder if the attorneys (current) are aware of Williamson County's (prior) practice of not giving defense attorneys the police report UNTIL THE DAY OF TRIAL, commencement of it. Imagine not being able to contact important witnesses because you do not know of their existence. Judge Anderson's attorney was so clearly lying. Of course Anderson had that particular police report and it was not part of whatever the trial atty. got on trial date. Ray, the truth has already emerged. Now it's gone national. And maybe Judge Anderson will not be re-elected. But there will be no justice. I am glad you put this on the JFK part as I rarely go to the other sections and would have missed this story. (I often miss 60 Minutes as there is always some damn game on and you never know when the show will begin) So I think you again for posting this as this is a story I have been very interested in for some time now. I used to practice in that county. They don't like it when you set cases for jury trials. It's also a long drive in traffic so, I don't miss going up there. Dawn

Please do not support Gary Mack. There is so much to do in Dallas without wasting your time at a location of lies and whose owners plan to take over Dealey Plaza on the 50th anniversary and drown out dissenting voices. Either you are on the side of truth or killers of truth. Please ignore Robert on this. (My opinion). Dawn

I don't understand this post. I get your sarcasm but are you also saying that you don't buy into anything connected to Barry Seal? Or the Franklin cover-up? Obviously not Tatum..... And so it goes... Dawn On a different note there is a move on facebook to try to get as many as possible to unite for the 50th and get JFKU read by as many as possible. Far better way to spend one's time than to argue this any further.

Sad that you lump Tatum here. Some incredible research has been done on him. Do you think JFK jr was a victim of murder or his own negligence?

Besides Ventura and Jones exactly what is "in between"? Jones and Ventura are NOT op mockingbird. Or not lefties who won't touch these matters, as much as I love Rachel Maddow, for example, she won't go near this stuff.

You do yourself a disservice, Jim, because much of what you've said seems well argued, but then you go and spoil it with your absolutist, dismissive stance toward some sources. Torbitt contains some unique details, but you are not willing to concede even that, so out goes the baby with the bathwater; all or nothing. You're simplistic dismissal of evidence implicating Bush is boiled down to. "alright, he was acquainted with the baron, so what?" I'm not going to again go through the list of Bush related "coincidences" you didn't mention or debunk, because you have demonstrated that you actually are not as you described.: "I am all for new evidence when it is actually new, and sound." Your annoyance at Russ Baker (you were unable to use his first name) seems as much about your own inability to address some of his gems as it is about Baker's shortcomings. Instead of giving a scholarly, or any kind of thoughtful response to one of several of Baker's observations; what were the relationships and roles of William B. Macomber, Jr., Thomas J. Devine, and Macomber's brother, John, with the Bush family and with each other, and, for example, with the CIA? Isn't it just a bit curious that William Macomber was both the best man of Bush's sister and of Devine, and that Macomber was asking Otepka about Oswald and the rest of the tiny number of defectors in late 1960, and that Devine himself was exposed as emerging from more than a decade long officially described divorce from CIA, to meeting with "the baron" and Clemard Charles in May, 1963, and reporting on the meeting to the CIA over a "secure line" under cover of a cryptonym? There is so much more, and if you were true to your self description, you might show curiousity concerning Hooker's daughter's marriage to Ames Braga, her second marriage to John Macomber's protege, Michael Ainslie, Byfield's sister-in-law's marriage to Braga's father's first cousin, Byfield's OSS relationship with William Macomber and William Casey, Byfield's realtionship with William HG Fitzgerald, Fitzgerald's usher, OW Hammonds being an oil depletion allowance expert and the accountant of Arabian Shield Corp. and partner of Jack Crichton, Fitzgerald's son marrying Robert G. Stone, Jr.'s daughter and Tom Devine being a director of Stone's Stonetex Corp., Stone using the Harvard endowment to fund Quasha's bailout of GW Bush, Stone's brother, David being the trustee of the CIA "student" funds run by Paul F. Hellmuth, Hellmuth being Dr. Tom Dooley's lawyer and pimp, and exposed as setting up at least two CIA proprietary Corps., and Robert G. Stone's reward, as Baker pointed out, a seat on RS Reynolds's private board, along with Jonathan Bush. I pointed out that Reynold's father was given an engagement dinner by Frank Vanderlip, Jr., and that Vanderlip, Jr. happened to be Bill Quasha's daughter, Jill's godfather. Macomber, Jr. was retired from State/CIA after collaborating on Nixon whitehouse smear of Ellsberg and on Hunt's faked cable, re: Diem assassination, and put into the presidency of the Met. Museum or art, home of a board of directors intertwined (Houghton and Plimpton) in the identical CIA front financing in which Paul Hellmuth and David Stone had been implicated. Jim, you show almost total incuriousity to new research, Baker's, mine, and almost all others. By the way, Robert G. Stone's brother-in-law was "Mr. Bell Helicopter", Godfrey A. Rockefeller, and Byfield had so many relations to persons of interest in this research, even putting aside that his mother leased Glen Ora to JFK and his widow married Robert S. McNamara right at the time when McNamara was getting publicly weepy and quite loud, that your miniaturized dismissal of the Bush evidence tends to make you appear, by your own way of thinking, as someone who might not have the agenda you exhibit on the surface. Again, more very good questions geing raised. And ignored. I wish you well with your book Jim, and I agree that these forums are way too time consuming for those of us with jobs and other pursuits, but when you get some time...I would like to hear your take on Poppy Bush. I asked you just one question that I will repeat: Do you believe his testimony (under oath) that he had no CIA ties prior to Ford appointing him head of the freaking CIA? I remain perplexed. Do you also believe that JFK Jr was NOT murdered? Again Don J, great post. Dawn

Thanks for the heads up Ray. I have been closely following this story for sometime. It is far bigger than the hidden DNA. The Williamson CY prosecutor withheld crucial evidence from the trial attorney. He is now a judge. I am thrilled that 60 minutes is covering this. HOwever I still do not expect true justice. This IS Tx. after all. Dawn

Vanity Fair early on urged Jack to get this done but the man who he had been raised to believe was his father died before Jack could do so. Jack was living in the Netherlands and his alleged father was living in Houston and this was a contributing factor in it not being timely done. How convenient. Perhaps there is something around that has his DNA on it. A stamp on a letter, many things hold DNA for a long time. Any siblings? Just a thought... Running for dog catcher is a stretch, makes me doubt him all the more and I was already in that camp. Dawn

The voice of reason. Amen, Don! The CT is its own worst enemy for all the petty infighting. No wonder after nealry 50 years we are where we are: so divisive. Jim is a friend of mine and I find his work extremely valuable, however I too have major problems with what (almost) appears to be his dismissiveness of the Crime family Bush. Does he believe, for example that Poppy had no CIA ties before Warren Commissioner and fraudster Ford appointed him head of the CIA? Robert asks some great questions too. I have told him that I feel his review of Family of Secrets is so unfair, imho. However, his information on so many areas of this case is beyond invaluable. I too think Janey was most brave to take on the obvious murder of JFK Jr. Did he make errors? Absolutely. And he needed to be taken to taks for that. I am troubled that so little work has even been done on this case. There is a lot of evidence of murder and coverup. If Mr. Coogan is so quick to condem Janey why does he not write an article or better yet a book on this case. Something. Ditto with Jones, and Jesse Ventura. Jesse does not get it all correct but who else on tv is even talking about this? It appears being critical is sometimes easier than giving credit where it is due. My wish for the 50th is of course that the truth come out, but also that we all come together in spite of our petty differences and ego- driven theories and agree on the basics: that LHO was set up, JFK was murdered by forces so powerful that it is doubtful we will ever know their names, as it does not matter who did it, what matters is that the government and media have engaged in lies and cover-ups for forty nine years. As for Matthews, I do not for a second believe it is "fear". It is a combination of purposeful ignorance and Operation Mockingbird. Now O'Reilly and his book will be interesting given his KNOWLEDGE. But it will be all lies. Gotta keep that big Op. Mock paycheck coming in. Dawn

first words out of you and it has to be Judyth Baker, your perpetual crusade. Methinks you donated to her cause when she fled to Europe. And for some reason didn't quite get what you wanted out of that donation, not enough bang for your buck there Glenn? Is that correct? Jim Fetzer isn't the thread topic, Gary Mack is. And his very public position concerning the JFK's assassination on the streets of Dallas Texas. However, I will admit, there are a more than a few lone nut, LHO did it all by his lonesome advocates on this board with strange obsessions, you're one, the obsession: JUDYTH! Thank you David. Amazing how some just go off topic with their one note wonders. How you can go from email and Mack to Judyth is quite telling. Dawn