Robin Unger

Lee. Here is your pic.

Mark, Please check the broadcast and see if there was a live report from Love Field at approximately 2:15CST. A fellow researcher has previously indicated that he heard a radio broadcast from Love involving the arrival of a black hearse on the front starboard side of AF1. As we know, the hearse that left Parkland was white, and JFK's casket was loaded on the rear port side. Thanks RJS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I beleive this may be part of the "eight hours" of tape, on Real Player streaming media. http://www.reelradio.com/se/index.html#klif112263

James. I think that the two men in your image are the same man. Robin. Interesting pics. Thanks

James. Thanks for the Dillard pic

WC Testimony of James Crawford. Mr. BALL - Where were you when you watched the President pass? Mr. CRAWFORD - I was at that location. Mr. BALL - Which corner of the intersection? Mr. CRAWFORD - The southeast corner of the intersection. Mr. BALL - Where was the Texas School Book Depository Building from where you were standing? Mr. CRAWFORD - It would be the northwest corner of the intersection. Mr. BALL - Directly across? Mr. CRAWFORD - Yes; right. Mr. BALL - Did you have a good view at that point of the south exposure of the Texas School Book Depository? Mr. CRAWFORD - I had a very good angle. Mr. BALL - Did you see the Presidents car pass? Mr. CRAWFORD - I did. Mr. BALL - And just tell me in your own words what you observed after that? Mr. CRAWFORD - As I observed the parade, I believe there was a car leading the President's car, followed by the President's car and followed, I suppose, by the Vice Presiden't car and, in turn, by the secret Service in a yellow closed sedan. The doors of the Sedan were open. It was after the Secret Service Sedan had gone around the corner that I heard the first report and at that time I thought it was a backfire of a car but, in analyzing the situation, it could not have been a backfire of a car because it would have had to have been the President's car or some car in the cavalcade there. The second shot followed some seconds, a little time elapsed after the first one, and followed very quickly by the third one. I could not see the President's car - Mr. BALL - At that time? Mr. CRAWFORD - That's right; I couldn't even see the secret Service car, at least wasn't looking for it. As the report from the third shot sounded, I looked up. I had previously looked around to see if there was somebody shooting firecrackers to see if I could see a puff of smoke, and after I decided it wasn't a backfire from an automobile and as the third report sounded, I looked up and from the far east corner of the sixth floor I saw a movement. It was just barely a glimpse. Mr. BALL - Which window? Mr. CRAWFORD - That would be the far east window - Mr. BALL - On the - Mr. CRAWFORD - On the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. I turned to Miss Mitchell and made the statement that if those were shots they came from that window. That was based mainly on the fact of the quick movement observrd in the window right at the conclusion of the report. Mr. BALL - Could you give me any better description than just a movement? Could you use any other words to describe what you saw by way of color or size of what you saw moving? Mr. CRAWFORD - If I were asked to describe it, I would sayhat it was a profile, somewhat from the waist up, but it was very quick movement and rather indistinct and it was very light colored. It was either light colored or it was a reflection from the sun. When the gun fas found, or when a gun was found, I asked the question if it was white, simply because if it was a gun I saw, then it was either white or it was reflecting the sn so it would appear white or light colored. Mr. BALL - Did you see any boxes in that window? Mr. CRAWFORD - Yes, directly behind the window, oh possibly three feet or less, there were boxes stacked up behind the window and I believe it was the only place in the building that I observed where boxes were stacked just like that. Mr. BALL - Did you see any boxes in the window? Mr. CRAWFORD - No, I didn't see any. There wasn't any boxes in the window. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/crawford.htm

WC Testimony of James Richard Worrell. QUOTE: Mr. SPECTER - How many shots did you hear? Mr. WORRELL - Four. Mr. SPECTER - Did you observe anything at about that time? Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir, I looked up and saw the rifle, but I would say about 6 inches of it. Mr. SPECTER - And where did you see the rifle? Mr. WORRELL - I'm not going - I am not too sure but I told the FBI it was either in the fifth or the sixth floor on the far corner, on the east side. Mr. SPECTER - Now looking at the picture which we have identified as Commission Exhibit No. 360, which is where you have drawn an "X," can you indicate the line of vision which you followed to the point where the rifle was to the best of your ability to recollect? Mr. WORRELL - Well, when I heard the first shot it was to loud to be a firecracker, I knew that, because there was quite a big boom, and I don't know, just out of nowhere, I looked up like that, just straight up. Mr. SPECTER - Indicating you looked straight back over your head, raising your head to look over your body at the 90 degree angle? Mr. WORRELL - Yes; and I saw it for the second time and I looked back to the motorcade. Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe at that time? Mr. WORRELL - I saw about 6 inches of the gun, the rifle. It had - well it had a regular long barrel but it had a long stock and you can only see maybe 4 inches of the barrel, and I could see -- Mr. SPECTER - Were you able to observe any of the stock? Mr. WORRELL - Oh, yes. Mr. SPECTER - How much of the stock were you able to observe? Mr. WORRELL - Just very little, just about 2 inches. Mr. SPECTER - How many inches of the barrel then could you observe protruding beyond the stock? Mr. WORRELL - About 4 inches, I would say, not very much. Mr. SPECTER - Now, at the time of the second shot were you able to observe anything at that precise instant? Mr. WORRELL - You mean as to firing it. Mr. SPECTER - As to anything at all. What did you see when the second shot went off? Mr. WORRELL - Well, I looked to see where he was aiming and after the second shot and I have seen the President slumping down in the seat, and -- Mr. SPECTER - Did you see the President slump in his seat after the second shot? Mr. WORRELL - Uh, huh. And about that -- Mr. SPECTER - Did you look up and see the rifle between the first and the second shots? Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir. And saw the firing on the second and then before he could get a shot I was - I took in everything but especially the car, The President's car, and saw him slumping, and I looked up again and turned around and started running and saw it fire a third time, and then -- Mr. SPECTER - When did you see it fire a third time, when you looked up, the time you just described? Mr. WORRELL - When I was, I did it all in one motion, I looked up, turned around and ran, pivoted. Mr. SPECTER - What did you hear, if anything, after that? Mr. WORRELL - Just a lot of commotion, everybody was screaming and saying "duck." Mr. SPECTER - After the third shot, did you hear a fourth shot? Mr. WORRELL - Oh, yes. Just as I got to the corner of Exhibit 360, I heard the fourth shot. Mr. SPECTER - Well, did these four shots come close together or how would you describe the timing in general on those? Mr. WORRELL - Succession. Mr. SPECTER - Were they very fast? Mr. WORRELL - They were right in succession. Mr. SPECTER - Now going back to the position of the rifle which you testified that you saw, you say it was either on the fifth or sixth floor? Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER - Is there any way you can tell us which floor it was on, or would the angle of your observation permit you to be sure it was the fifth or sixth floors? Mr. WORRELL - I am not going to say I am positive, but that one there. Mr. SPECTER - All right, would you mark that one -- Mr. WORRELL - Because that right there, I feel, would have obstructed my vision but I said it was either on the fifth or the sixth floor. Mr. SPECTER - Well, now, will you mark with a "Y" the window which you have just pointed to? (At this point Chief Justice Warren departed the hearing room.) Mr. WORRELL - A "Y?" Mr. SPECTER - A "Y." (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER - You have marked the "Y" over two windows. Was it the window - which window was it there as best you can recollect, as between those two? Mr. WORRELL - I didn't mean to bring it down that far but this one. Mr. SPECTER - Would you put an arrow then at the window that you have just indicated, was the one where the rifle was protruding from? (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER - So the sum of it is you are not sure whether it was the fifth or the sixth floor, but you believe it was the floor where you have marked a "Y" which is the sixth floor and that was the line of vision as you looked straight up over your head? Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER - Where did you run, which is what you have just described that you did next? Mr. WORRELL - Well a better view of it is here in 360. I ran down Houston Street alongside the building and then crossed over the street, I ran alongside the building and crossed over, and in 359, I was standing over here, and I saw this man come bustling out of this door. Mr. SPECTER - All right. Now will you put a "Z" where you first saw the man whom you have just described or mentioned? Mr. WORRELL - It is here I am pretty sure, I am not positive. (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER - You are pretty sure - but you can't be positive - but you are pretty sure? Mr. WORRELL - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - Okay. Now describe as best you can the man whom you have testified you saw at point "Z." Mr. WORRELL - Describe his appearance? Mr. SPECTER - Yes. Start by telling us how tall he was, to the best of your ability to recollect and estimate? Mr. WORRELL - To the - it is going to be within 3 inches, 5-7 to 5-10. Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate as to his weight? Mr. WORRELL - 155 to 165. Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate as to his height? Mr. WORRELL - 5-7, 5-10. Mr. SPECTER - Pardon me, your best estimate as to his age. Mr. WORRELL - Well, the way he was running, I would say he was in his late twenties or middle - I mean early thirties. Because he was fast moving on. Mr. SPECTER - Of what race was he? Mr. WORRELL - White. Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe the characteristics of his hair? Mr. WORRELL - Black. Mr. SPECTER - Did he have -- Mr. WORRELL - Well, I will say brunette. Mr. SPECTER - Did he have a full head of hair, a partial head of hair, or what? Mr. WORRELL - Well, see, I didn't see his face, I just saw the back of his head and it was full in back. I don't know what the front looked like. But it was full in back. Mr. SPECTER - What clothes did the man have on? Mr. WORRELL - Dark, like a jacket like that. Mr. SPECTER - Indicating a dark gray jacket? Mr. WORRELL - No, no. It was a jacket like that. Mr. SPECTER - A suit jacket? Mr. WORRELL - Yes. Mr. SPECTER - Or was it a sports jacket? Mr. WORRELL - Sports jacket. Mr. SPECTER - Did not have on matching coat and trousers? Mr. WORRELL - No. Mr. SPECTER - Was it dark in color or light? Mr. WORRELL - It was dark in color. I don't know whether it was blue, black, or brown, but it was dark, and he had light pants. And that is all I can say on his clothes, except his coat was open and kind of flapping back in the breeze when he was running. Mr. SPECTER - Now, are there any other distinguishing characteristics that you can describe about him? Mr. WORRELL - Not a thing. Mr. SPECTER - What did he -- Mr. WORRELL - He wasn't holding nothing when he was running. He was just running. Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe him do if, anything? Mr. WORRELL - Well, when he ran out here, he ran along the side of the Depository Building and then when he got -- Mr. SPECTER - Make a dotted line as to where he went, or take this black pencil and make a line as to where he went. (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER - Where did you see him eventually go? Mr. WORRELL - Well, he went on further. Mr. SPECTER - Is that the last you saw of him? Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/worrell.htm

The Reitzes article also contains a reference to the Tom Dillard photo that may show a man in the westernmost window: The photograph taken by Tom Dillard around fifteen seconds after the shooting captured the upper part of the Book Depository's south side. Photographic researcher Robert Groden has made a series of enlargements of a number of the building's windows in this picture. He has identified two men on the sixth floor. One can be indistinctly seen in the westernmost window (among the farthest windows from the camera); he appears to be a heavy-set white male with a receding hairline Perhaps James can help post the Dillard photo. Are there any other witnesses beside the Rowlands who stated they saw someone in the west window of the TSBD? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> WC Testimony of Robert Hill Jackson of the "Dallas Times Herald" QUOTE: Mr. SPECTER - All right. Will you now proceed to tell us what happened as you rounded the corner of Main and Houston , Please? Mr. JACKSON - Well, as our reporter chased the film out into the street, we all looked back at him and were laughing, and it was approximately that time that we heard the first shot, and we had already rounded the corner, of course, when we heard the the first shot. We were approximately almost half a block on Houston Street. Mr. SPECTER - Will you identify for me on Commission Exhibit 347, Precisely as possible, where your automobile was at the time you heard the first shot? Mr. JACKSON - Approximately right here, I would say the midpoint of this building. Approximately where we heard the first report. Mr. SPECTER - Now, will you mark a black "X" on 347 the spot where your car was at the time you heard the first shot? Mr. JACKSON - Right here approximately. And as we heard the first shot, I believe it was Tom Dillard from the Dallas News who made some remark as to that sounding like a firecracker, and it could have been somebody else who said that. But someone else did speak up and make that comment and before he actually the sentence we heard the other two shots. Then we realized or we thought it was gunfire, and then we could not at that point see the President's car. We were still moving slowly, and after the third shot the second two shots seemed much closer together than the first shot, than they were to the first shot. Then after the last shot, I guess all of us were just looking all around and I just looked straight up ahead of me which would have been looking at the School Book Depository and I noticed two Negro men in a window straining to see directly above them, and my eyes followed right on up to the window above them and I saw the rifle, or what looked like a rifle approximately half of weapon, I guess I saw. and just looked at it, it was drawn fairly slowly back into the building, and I saw no one in the window with it. I didn't even see a form in the window. Mr. SPECTER - What did you do next? Mr. JACKSON - I said "There is the gun," or it came from that window. I tried to point it out. But by the time the other people looked up, of course, it was gone, and about that time, we were beginning to turn the corner. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/jackson.htm

According to Anthony Summers (Conspiracy, p. 43), the Warren Commission failed to follow up on a reminder that observers in the County Jail would have a perfect view of the assassination. John Powell and other inmates on the jail’s sixth floor were therefore not questioned. Thanks to the ARRB, however, we learn that the FBI did follow up (in December 1964) on a report that inmates on the jail’s fifth floor had witnessed the assassination. The fifth floor was where the jail housed its mental cases. (Sheriff Bill Decker told the FBI as it was checking out the mental ward that a thorough investigation at the jail immediately after the assassination had located no witnesses.) This is a passage from “The 11th Batch” on ARRB document releases, reviewed by Joseph Backes, with reference to Document # 124-10027-10235, written by the FBI’s Robert Gemberling: On December 1, 1964 Fay Leon Blunt, Dallas, Texas, phoned the FBI at Washington, D.C. stating that 17 individuals in the Hospital Ward of the 5th floor of the Dallas County Jail had witnessed the assassination of President Kennedy on November 22, 1963; however, Blunt stated that none of these witnesses have ever been interviewed. The following investigation was conducted by Special Agent Richard J. Burnett. On December 14, 1964 Sheriff Bill Decker, Dallas County Sheriffs Office, Dallas, Texas advised that thorough investigation was conducted at the Dallas County Jail immediately subsequent to the assassination and no witnesses to same were located among inmates. Chief Jailer Ernest Lloyd Holman, Dallas County Jail, Dallas, Texas, on December 14, 1964, personally escorted Special Agent Richard J. Burnett through the hospital section of the County Jail on the fifth floor where white inmates with a mental history are confined. The mental inmates are kept in a large tank type cell which has one barred double window overlooking the scene of the assassination. The view from this window would have seen the President at the time of being struck by the assassin's bullets, but the window in the Texas School Book Depository from which the shots were fired is not visible from this cell area. The hospital section for white prisoners on the fifth floor also has another large cell area in the northwest corner, which has west windows overlooking the site of the President's car at the time of the assassination, and another window on the north side of the building which overlooks the TSBD, including the window from which the shots were fired by the assassin. However, Chief Jailer Holman advised that this large cell area is used only on weekends by persons serving their three-day sentences for "Driving While Intoxicated" charges and is not occupied until late on Friday nights as Texas law states any part of a day constitutes a full day's credit on drunk sentences. Thus, Holman noted that persons serving such "DWI" sentences report late on Friday's night to gain credit for one full day. Holman further advised that no "DWI" prisoners were in this cell at the time of the assassination. It is noted that the north corner jail window (which overlooks the TSBD and the window of the TSBD from which assassin's window were fired) is very dirty and is backed by an iron mesh type grid guard. The view from this particular window is very distorted and it is believed by Holman to be impossible to identify anyone from this window, including the President in his car which would have been rounding the corner of Houston onto Elm Street approaching the Triple Underpass seconds before the shooting. Both Sheriff Decker and Holman pointed out that anyone who would have been confined in the hospital section on the fifth floor of the jail at the time of the assassination would have been a mental case and the reliability of such a person would be highly questionable. Holman noted that it would be a most difficult and time consuming task at this late date to attempt to determine just who was confined in the Hospital Ward at the time of the assassination. Furthermore, Holman pointed out that such persons, if identified, have since been either released or sent to other State mental places of incarceration. Holman and Chief Identification Officer James H. Kitching advised that Fay Leon Blunt (complainant in this matter) is well-known to them as a person completely unreliable who has been arrested on several occasions in the past on lunacy charges. Both stated they would place no confidence whatsoever in any information furnished by him. Kitching pulled Blunt's arrest record and noted that Blunt was not incarcerated in the Dallas county Jail at the time of the assassination. http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_...ue/arrb_11.html Ron <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Ron. I had not seen that information before. Convenient, that any wittness in that situation who came forward with information other than Gov line, could easily be labelled as a "NUTCASE" and therefore not a reliable wittness.

James, Fair enough, though your description of Herminio would also seem to eliminate him as the black man whom Rowland saw at the window. Rowland described the man as "very thin" and 55 or 60. The black man in the photo appears to be holding some long white or light-colored object under his arm. Can anyone tell what it might be? Ron <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hello Ron! I gave it a whirl, but the file is only 11K - not much to work with. I'd need a higher res photo to work on. - lee BTW - I always enjoy your posts. Many times your sense of humor hits home hard and gives me a good laugh. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lee/Ron It looks as though he is carrying a sighn or billboard of some kind.

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Sunday 4 October 1981: Lee Harvey Oswald's body exhumed. QUOTE: Lee Harvey Oswald's grave, at Rose Hill cemetary, is opened so that the body might be examined. The physicians conclude it truly is Oswald, which is contradicted by the morticians who had buried him. A counter-expertise however proved the remains to be Oswald's, confirming the physicians' conclusions. Full Story Here: http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/lhox1.htm

Thanks Lee. Yeh eventually i will have another webpage with just documents in "thumnbnail" style, i have already started to work on it. It takes quite a while to upload all that information, and then set it out in a style that is easy to navigate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Guys, Extremely funny exchanges, all. You're forgetting Jack, though. Just to go one-up on his old buddy Lee, he decides to sacrifice his life and liberty in front of 40 million viewers for what--to save a person he has never met the trauma of a courtroom trial!! Those gun running, violent, gangster connected nightclub owners are really the most altruistic guys aren't they? Robin, I tried to access your site but it said something about insufficient data space. My computer's a musuem relic which I will soon update. I'm looking forward to checking out your site. I know it'll be a beauty. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Mark. Yeh, it's not your computer My site has been getting hammered the last couple of days, since Tim kindly put up this post. At the moment i have a restricted bandwidth limit. The site should usually returns again in approximately 30-minutes. I will have to contact my server and increase my bandwith allowance, or spread my files over two websites and link them.

Hi Shanet. I'm not really sure who that man is. What do you make of this image.? This is the description of the photo i inserted into the Moorman 5 pic, i found it in Gerhard's Exellent JFK image Galleries: "McAULAY, Joe (Ft. Worth arrest of unknown man)" The man has a similar hair style, his hair is short and receading on the right side of his head. Also similar cheek bone structure and protruding chin. http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/photos.html Thanks Lee Thanks for the great information, i was not aware of this guys story. I emailed your post to Gerhard. Thanks.

Hi Shanet. I'm not really sure who that man is. What do you make of this image.? This is the description of the photo i inserted into the Moorman 5 pic, i found it in Gerhard's Exellent JFK image Galleries: "McAULAY, Joe (Ft. Worth arrest of unknown man)" The man has a similar hair style, his hair is short and receading on the right side of his head. Also similar cheek bone structure and protruding chin. http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/photos.html

Hi James here's your John Abt pic. I am also having trouble posting pics, i linked to this one from my website.

Hi Jim. I beleive this is a photo of John Abt

Who is this guy, being taken from the knoll.

Thanks Lee. Yeh eventually i will have another webpage with just documents in "thumnbnail" style, i have already started to work on it. It takes quite a while to upload all that information, and then set it out in a style that is easy to navigate.

Alan. Something i just noticed, that freaky guy's image seems to be blended in with that of a woman who is standing just to his right. What looks like the extension of his hat is the top of her hair.

I don't have the Dallas Times Herald - but if she is referring to the concrete by the manhole cover, this is approximately [using Cutler's map] an additional 50 feet further down Elm, heading towards the underpass. Anyway, that's where my thinking has led me to date. Tough sell all around. Not much to work with. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Lee. Here are your pics.

OK now i get it, i thought the camera position was near the south pergola, but it isn't. It is up at the east end near the wall by the pool, directly across from the TSBD.

Thanks Bernice. No problem.

James/Mike Thanks for that. This is another image i have a hard time corrolating. What is the wall to the right of the image, and why can't i see main st in between this camera position and elm st