Robin Unger

Yes, and on top of all that, he goes and gets himself killed before he can be brought to trial. Now thats what i call covering your tracks.

Thanks Tim for the comments regarding my website: Yeh, we aussies are slowly infiltrating the Jfk assassination forums, it must be some sort of Conspiracy.

James. I am having trouble corrolating that image: Does this photo below look like the position where i have marked the (X) I am only going by the path, and the fact that there is a tree overhanging to the left of the image. ?

Notice on the image below, how close the industrial blvd (where Hudson said his friend on the Knoll steps had said he worked) is to the Trade Mart. Good place for a back up assassination point in case the first attempt failed.

Thanks Larry. That is a great help when i am trying to sort in my mind, in which order the photo's and film were taken, in relation to the time the assassination took place, and Baker entering the TSBD which would have been approx 12:40pm

Thanks Dixie. This whole story is like a tangled web of lies and coverups. Am i right in assuming that 8th street was only two streets over from where tippitt was killed on 10th street. ? Hi Tim. QUOTE: At the Inn, Marina met its manager, James Herbert Martin, who soon became her personal manager. It was Martin who negotiated the sale of the backyard photographs to Life magazine. Thanks, i wasn't aware of that information.

My next question is, if they new that the assassin had been seen and identified shooting out of the east end of the building, then what are all these cops doing congregated around the west end of the building.

Thanks Larry. Good information, do you have a time stamp on the Alyea film. James great pic, good view of the pergola. Alyea Frame:

Thanks Bernice. Yes that image appears to be the same as the one i posted in my thread (Furrows in the grass) Thanks again.

Dixie. Thanks for that exellent information, that gives me a lot to think about. As you say were the "Plumbers" actually tradesman, or were they "Nixon" style plumbers. And it also helps to explain what the police officers were gaurding in shift's, (24-hours} around the clock. (Speculation) Were some of these cops paying off gambling debts racked up, or favours, by doing this gaurd duty. Since we now KNOW from the WC Testimony, that there were at least two cops involved in this gaurd duty, i wonder how many more there were. Also it makes sense to secure the house next door, no complaints from neighbours, and no prying eyes watching who is coming and going.

That is very interesting indeed. It looks like it extends beyond the vertical surface of the exterior of the building. Another curious not. Look at the two windows on the extreme west side of the sixth floor. Both of them are open. Now compare them with the beginning of the Alyea film here: http://www.jfk-online.com/1alyea.html The easternmost of the two windows is closed. Which came first, the Hughes film or the Alyea film? If Alyea came after Highes, why would someone close that window? Steve Thomas <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I once tried to identify this motorcycle officer and through a process of elimination, came up with Bobby Joe Dale. Report of an FBI interview with Jack Hardee December 26, 1963 at the Mobile Co. jail, Mobile AL. Hardee was incarcerated there in "federal custody" Hardee's wife also worked for Jack Ruby. (23H373) HARDEE also stated that the police officer whom LEE HARVEY OSWALD allegedly killed after he allegedly assassinated the President was a frequent visitor to Ruby's night club, along with another officer who was a motorcycle patrol in the Oaklawn section of Dallas. HARDEE stated from his observation there appeared to be a very close relationship between these three individuals. I was curious if the motorcycle officer Harry Olsen and Jack Hardee mention could be the same person. Ian Griggs in the Lancer Forum 1/30/03: "DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (who rode in the motorcade) lived at 3615 Theatre Lane at this time. This was located in the Oak Lawn district of Dallas, close to the Lemmon Avenue/Turtle Creek Boulevard intersection. This is about three miles north of Dealey Plaza. Now it gets interesting. During the period leading up to 22nd November, Harry Olsen was also living there, I believe as Dale's lodger (when he wasn't spending his nights at Kathy Kay's apartment!)." From Harry Olsen's testimony: Mr SPECTER. Then what time did you go to Kay's house? Mr OLSEN. When I got--when the motorcycle officer came and relieved me. Mr SPECTER. About what time was that? Mr OLSEN. Oh, 8; about 8. I was curious to see if I could find what time Dale got off duty, so I started checking around. In Purdue Lawrence's personnel assignments, it shows B.J. Dale being assigned to the rear of the motorcade and given call number 161 ( I think). http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol20_0255a.htm I went through the DPD radio transcripts and didn't see any broadcasts from 161 on either channel 1 or channel 2. His name doesn't appear in the DPD Archives Index, so it doesn't look like he filed an after-action report either. In Batchelor's Exhibit of Personnel assignments, B.J. Dale's normal monthly routine for November was the 4:00PM to Midnight shift, but then it looks like all those motorcycle patrolmen had their assignments rearranged for the President's visit. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol19_0076b.htm Steve Thomas <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE: Robin, >And what is with the meeting at the garage with Ruby after >the assassination. ? Try to reconcile the accounts of Kathy Kay, Harry Olsen and Jack Ruby and determine how much time they spent in that car that evening. It will make you dizzy. Steve Thomas Steve , i see what you mean, i am already starting to feel dizzy. So, Olsen was asked by the other officer to gaurd the house in his place because he had to ride in the motorcade. He would then come back and take over minding the house once the motorcade was over and he finished work. Then when he arrives at the house, Olsen leaves him to it, and walks 4-blocks to Kays house with his leg in a plaster to pick up his car which he left there, but when asked why he didn't just drive it to the house he was gaurding he couldn't remember why, or the name of the cop who he had just been talking to at the house. Clear as mud. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve, i would be very interested to know exactly who owned that estate, and where it was.

I once tried to identify this motorcycle officer and through a process of elimination, came up with Bobby Joe Dale. Report of an FBI interview with Jack Hardee December 26, 1963 at the Mobile Co. jail, Mobile AL. Hardee was incarcerated there in "federal custody" Hardee's wife also worked for Jack Ruby. (23H373) HARDEE also stated that the police officer whom LEE HARVEY OSWALD allegedly killed after he allegedly assassinated the President was a frequent visitor to Ruby's night club, along with another officer who was a motorcycle patrol in the Oaklawn section of Dallas. HARDEE stated from his observation there appeared to be a very close relationship between these three individuals. I was curious if the motorcycle officer Harry Olsen and Jack Hardee mention could be the same person. Ian Griggs in the Lancer Forum 1/30/03: "DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (who rode in the motorcade) lived at 3615 Theatre Lane at this time. This was located in the Oak Lawn district of Dallas, close to the Lemmon Avenue/Turtle Creek Boulevard intersection. This is about three miles north of Dealey Plaza. Now it gets interesting. During the period leading up to 22nd November, Harry Olsen was also living there, I believe as Dale's lodger (when he wasn't spending his nights at Kathy Kay's apartment!)." From Harry Olsen's testimony: Mr SPECTER. Then what time did you go to Kay's house? Mr OLSEN. When I got--when the motorcycle officer came and relieved me. Mr SPECTER. About what time was that? Mr OLSEN. Oh, 8; about 8. I was curious to see if I could find what time Dale got off duty, so I started checking around. In Purdue Lawrence's personnel assignments, it shows B.J. Dale being assigned to the rear of the motorcade and given call number 161 ( I think). http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol20_0255a.htm I went through the DPD radio transcripts and didn't see any broadcasts from 161 on either channel 1 or channel 2. His name doesn't appear in the DPD Archives Index, so it doesn't look like he filed an after-action report either. In Batchelor's Exhibit of Personnel assignments, B.J. Dale's normal monthly routine for November was the 4:00PM to Midnight shift, but then it looks like all those motorcycle patrolmen had their assignments rearranged for the President's visit. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol19_0076b.htm Steve Thomas <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE: Robin, >And what is with the meeting at the garage with Ruby after >the assassination. ? Try to reconcile the accounts of Kathy Kay, Harry Olsen and Jack Ruby and determine how much time they spent in that car that evening. It will make you dizzy. Steve Thomas Steve , i see what you mean, i am already starting to feel dizzy. So, Olsen was asked by the other officer to gaurd the house in his place because he had to ride in the motorcade. He would then come back and take over minding the house once the motorcade was over and he finished work. Then when he arrives at the house, Olsen leaves him to it, and walks 4-blocks to Kays house with his leg in a plaster to pick up his car which he left there, but when asked why he didn't just drive it to the house he was gaurding he couldn't remember why, or the name of the cop who he had just been talking to at the house. Clear as mud.

Hi Bernice. Great information, thanks. I posted the image of the cop pointing to the TSBD it would be interesting to see the uncropped version of that image. I am interested in the "clock" and the windows on the 5th and 6th floors at the time of the assassination.

WC Testimony of Harry Olsen. I am very sceptical about Olsen's WC testimony, when asked about his leg Olsen says that he fell down and injured it, but doesn't tell the WC that Ruby did it. And what is with the meeting at the garage with Ruby after the assassination. ? Also when Olsen was gaurding a ladies house because he was off work on the 22/11/63 why did he leave his car behind, and then have to walk home 4-blocks with his leg in a plaster. ????? QUOTE: Ian Griggs. Joe Cody was apparently an expert ice skater (former pro player?) and he recalled occasions when he had seen Ruby skating at Fair Park. When I read this I was reminded of an interview I conducted of Shari Angel in which she described going ice skating there with Jack Ruby, Kathy Kay and Harry Olsen. Jack collided with Harry on the ice and seriously injured Harry's knee. It was as a result of this injury that Harry Olsen had a leg in plaster and was off duty on the day of the assassination. Testimony: Mr SPECTER. Do you recall November 22, 1963, the day President Kennedy was assassinated? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. Tell me, as specifically as you can recollect, exactly what your activities were on that day. Mr OLSEN. I was employed by the Dallas Police Department and I was working at an extra job guarding an estate. Mr SPECTER. Whose estate was that? Mr OLSEN. I don't remember the name. Mr SPECTER. How did you happen to get that extra job? Mr OLSEN. A motorcycle officer was related to this elderly woman and he was doing work, but he was in the motor---- Mr SPECTER. Cade? Mr OLSEN. Motorcade of the President, and I was off that day and able to work it. Mr SPECTER. Do you recall the name of the motorcycle officer? Mr OLSEN. No. Mr SPECTER. Where was that estate located? Mr OLSEN. On 8th Street in Dallas. Mr SPECTER. Do you recall the specific address or the cross street on which it was located? Mr OLSEN. It's in the Oak Cliff area, it's approximately two blocks off of Stemmons. Mr SPECTER. How did it happen that you were not on duty with the police department on the day President Kennedy was in town? Mr OLSEN. I had my leg in a cast and I was doing light duty, which was working in the office, patrol office, and I had asked them if they needed me to work that day and they said no. Mr SPECTER. What sort of an accident did you have to injure your leg? Mr OLSEN. I fell and broke my kneecap. Mr SPECTER. When did that occur? Mr OLSEN. Oh, several weeks before. Mr SPECTER. At what hospital were you treated? Mr OLSEN. Baylor Hospital. Mr SPECTER. Is that in Dallas? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir; it's on Gaston. Mr SPECTER. What time did you start to guard the estate on that particular Friday? Mr OLSEN. About 7 a.m. Mr SPECTER. And how long did that guard duty last? Mr OLSEN. Until about 8. Mr SPECTER. Eight p.m.? Mr OLSEN. P.m., yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. Did you have any visitors while you were guarding the estate on that day? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. And who was the visitor or visitors? Mr OLSEN. Kay. Mr SPECTER. What time did she visit you? Mr OLSEN. Right after the President was shot. Mr SPECTER. How did you learn of the assassination of the President? Mr OLSEN. A woman called me on the phone who was a friend of the person who had lived there. Mr SPECTER. Do you know who that woman was? Mr OLSEN. No, sir.- And she wanted to know if I had heard the news, and I said no and she said, "The President has been shot." Mr SPECTER. What time did that telephone call occur? Mr OLSEN. Right after he was shot. I don't know exactly what time it was. Mr SPECTER. Did you talk to anybody else on the telephone or in person between the telephone call and the time that Kay visited you? Mr OLSEN. Passers-by. I went outside. Mr SPECTER. Whom did you see outside? Mr OLSEN. No one who I knew by name They just said, "Have you heard the news?" And I said, "Yes, I had." Mr SPECTER. Did you have any other telephone calls while you were guarding that house? Mr OLSEN. I called the police department and asked them if they needed me to work. Mr SPECTER. To whom did you talk at the police department? Mr OLSEN. I don't recall. Mr SPECTER. What response did you get? Mr OLSEN. They said no. Mr SPECTER. What time did Kay visit you on that Friday? Mr OLSEN. In the afternoon sometime. Mr SPECTER. How long did she stay? Mr OLSEN. Oh, I would say an hour or two. Mr SPECTER. Where did you have lunch on that Friday? Mr OLSEN. There at the place that I was watching. Mr SPECTER. Where did you have supper that day? Mr OLSEN. At her house. Mr SPECTER. What time did you go to her house? And by "her" I take it you mean Kay's house? Mr OLSEN. Yes. Mr SPECTER. Then what time did you go to Kay's house? Mr OLSEN. When I got--when the motorcycle officer came and relieved me. Mr SPECTER. About what time was that? Mr OLSEN. Oh, 8; about 8. Mr SPECTER. Did you have an automobile? Mr OLSEN. No, sir. Mr SPECTER. How did you get from the house which you were guarding to Kay's house? Mr OLSEN. Walked. Mr SPECTER. How far was it? Mr OLSEN. About 4 blocks. Mr SPECTER. Did the cast on your knee restrict your walking in any material way? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. Were you able to walk with the cast on your knee? Mr OLSEN. A little bit, not much. Mr SPECTER. But you were able to walk well enough to cover those 4 blocks to Kay's house? Mr OLSEN. Yes. And it swelled after I had walked it, though. Mr SPECTER. What did you do after arriving at Kay's house? Mr OLSEN. Well, going back to that, I had crutches, I believe, that I used. Now, what was the question? Mr SPECTER. After you arrived at Kay's house, what did you do then? Mr OLSEN. We talked about the assassination. Mr SPECTER. How long did you stay at Kay's house? Mr OLSEN. I would say several hours. Mr SPECTER. And about what time did you leave Kay's house, to the best of your ability to recollect? Mr OLSEN. What time I don't know. Mr SPECTER. Was anybody else at Kay's house with you besides Kay? Mr OLSEN. No, sir. Mr SPECTER. In what manner did you travel away from Kay's house, by foot, by car? Mr OLSEN. By car. Mr SPECTER. Whose car was that? Mr OLSEN. Mine. Mr SPECTER. How was it that you didn't have your car at the house which you were guarding? Mr OLSEN. I didn't want to drive it, I don't remember why. I think I left it for her to use. Mr SPECTER. Did Kay go with you when you drove away from her house? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. Where did you go? Mr OLSEN. Downtown. Mr SPECTER. What was the purpose of your trip to town? Mr OLSEN. To see where the President was shot. Mr SPECTER. Did you go then to Dealey Plaza? Mr OLSEN. Yes, we drove by there. Mr SPECTER. Did you go anyplace else? Mr OLSEN. We went to a garage. Mr SPECTER. Where was that garage located? Mr OLSEN. Jackson and Field. Mr SPECTER. What was the purpose of going to a garage at Jackson and Field? Mr OLSEN. We knew the man who worked there. Mr SPECTER. What was his name? Mr OLSEN. Johnny is all I know him by. Mr SPECTER. What sort of work did he do at that garage? Mr OLSEN. He was an attendant. Mr SPECTER. Why did you want to go see him? Mr OLSEN. To talk. Mr SPECTER. For any special purpose? Mr OLSEN. No, sir. Mr SPECTER. Do you recollect about what time you arrived at that garage? Mr OLSEN. Oh, 12, approximately. Mr SPECTER. Did you see Johnny when you were there? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. Did you see anybody else while you were at that garage? Mr OLSEN. Yes, sir. Mr SPECTER. Who else did you see? Mr OLSEN. Jack Ruby http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/olsen_h.htm

Thanks James. That frame makes the light spot even clearer than the frame i posted. Lee. In the WC images of the far west window on the 5th floor showing the 3 boys it doesn't show any dangling light globes swinging in front of the window, i am sure that lights were all fixed to the ceiling. CE 488 - Photograph of the southwest corner of the fifth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building. In this image note the light shade is fixed to the ceiling. [CE 492 - Photograph of the west side of the fifth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building.

Lee. This is a crop of a frame Z-183

Hi Alan. Nice spot of Hammerman in that pic.

Lee is this the area you are looking at. ?

Lee. I beleive that the dent to the chrome strip was a missed shot, which slammed into the chrome strip and then fragemented some of the particles causing the crack to the windshield. What interests me is that when you look at the chrome strip photo the bullit strike seems to have come in from a low trajectory, more like a second floor shot. Speculation: possible from 2nd floor Dal Tex Building. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Robin, I favor the North Peristyle bushes. Also for the possible shot from the front through the windshield, maybe the Connally back shot. - lee <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lee. I can't tell which area of the plaza that image reffers too, can you mark the location on a photo so i can get a better perspective.

http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/bench.jpg The old steam pipe near the underpass. http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/steampipe.jpg <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Robin, Many that questioned Gordon Arnold's presence referenced his TMWKK interview, in which he claimed he placed one leg over the steampipe. It was suggested that this pipe was quite hot, and the Gordon would have burned himself. Here is a photo of the end of the pipe - well insulated, as per your other 2 photos. Poor Marguerite searching Dealey Plaza for clues to vindicate her son - lee <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Great Image Lee: I had never seen that before. I don't give much creedence to the Gordon Arnold story. On don's site he does a good job of questioning the validity of the arnold story. http://members.aol.com/DRoberdeau/JFK/addi...noldCLAIMS.html

Lee. I beleive that the dent to the chrome strip was a missed shot, which slammed into the chrome strip and then fragemented some of the particles causing the crack to the windshield. What interests me is that when you look at the chrome strip photo the bullit strike seems to have come in from a low trajectory, more like a second floor shot. Speculation: possible from 2nd floor Dal Tex Building.