John Dolva

Mark, to reply to some of your other comments. What I'm actually suggesting is that Kennedy stepped into a particular political situation and started a process of change. This was taking hold. Therefore what Kennedy was doing was introducing change to the lives of people some of whom found this hard to bear. Their reaction to this was to change Kennedys direction (in this instance to change him into a corpse) This got things back on the previous track, towards a complete dominance of business of government. 'Government for the business, by the business and of the people'. The strife that followed (and the panthers and so on were later reactions to this trend) was the people attempting to take the government back. As of today that has not been successful.

as I've said, this topic is about coincidences that may or may not mean something. one example is the repeated use of the number 10000 in military style actions in the area. As most of these concern the segregation issue, I'm wondering whether the call by Walker for 10000 men and the purchase of 10000 rifles may ahve something to do with an armed response in case of a failed assassination? perhaps also for military folk 10000 is a size that reflect a standard unit size in the army? a "Call to Negro America" dated July 1, 1941 calling for 10,000 Black Americans to march on Washington D.C. to secure integration and equal treatment in the Armed Forces. Philip Randolph, then the President of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters" was primarily responsible for this attempt to organize the 1941 march, and he participated prominently 22 years later in the 1963 March on Washington. "1957 - Desegregation at Little Rock: Little Rock Central High School was to begin the 1957 school year desegregated. On September 2, the night before the first day of school, Governor Faubus announced that he had ordered the Arkansas National Guard to monitor the school the next day. When a group of nine black students arrived at Central High on September 3, they were kept from entering by the National Guardsmen. On September 20, judge Davies granted an injunction against Governor Faubus and three days later the group of nine students returned to Central High School. Although the students were not physically injured, a mob of 1,000 townspeople prevented them from remaining at school. Finally, President Eisenhower ordered 1,000 paratroopers and 10,000 National Guardsmen to Little Rock, and on September 25, Central High School was desegregated." " During the Ole Miss crisis in 1962, Davis sent the following telegram to General Edwin Walker: "You called for ten thousand volunteers nationwide for Mississippi's fight against Federal tyranny. Will pledge ten thousand from Louisiana alone under your command." (NOTP; September 28, 1962; S 3, p 2)" " ____________________________ ____________________________ "In August 1961, one John Burkman, residing at 535 baseline Road, Northvile, Michigan, and who is employed as a sales representative for the Richmond Arms Company, Blissfield, Michigan, was approached by one William Newton and a Lt. General (FNU) Osborne. William Newton, allegedly residing at Miami, Oklahoma, was suspected of being a leader of a Cuban movement but was a person who stayed in the background. The Customs file did not reflect information on Lt. General Osborne. Newton and Osborne requested that Burkman attempt to obtain 10,000 M-1 rifles for an anti-Castro revolution.

Thomas,in one of the early posts on 'old pics' thread, Robin or Lee posted a large one of this one. I wonder if the coat is different though from the road crosser. The cloth seems different and I think the collar is the thing to look at.

Tom, you always make me think...there are few mentioned there...does it start with H? As far as "One can/could speculate "what if" from now until forever. It will answer no questions regarding the actual event" goes, for it to be a conspiracy that assumed no events beyond the assassination if that assassination had been unsuccessful doesn't make sense. Therefore, what appointments, travel plans, meetings, letters, memos, prepared were altered, filed etc as a result of success? This may very well be a fruitful avenue of research as attention to concealment may not have been as rigorous because the scrutiny was avoided early on. _____________________________ Tom M. Hi, could it be you mean an earlier car bomb attempt I think back in '61 that was foiled as a result of a postal worker who had been receiving disturbing postcards from a guy following Kennedy around? This attempt was foiled as a result of him alerting the authorities. Otherwise, have you more info on 'plan B'? ____________________________ Mark, possibly one thing is coming into this so late in life having spent a lot of life travelling and living in lots of different circumstances. I've always been interested in deBono as well. Others are also applying a kind of 'difference' analysis, offhand Jim and Robert come to mind. As I see it a deliberate viewing of data not for what it contains but for what it doesn't contain. As such I try to look at the events and look for what seems to be missing. If there is a significant omission then I wonder "Why?". Sometimes these amissions are a result of an initially perhaps insignificant skewing of the whole picture that years later has magnified into something even blind freddy can see. Sometimes it's more subtle. Whatever, it's a factor. On the whole I see the investigation (and I have only the experience of this forum to draw on) as a joint effort made up of contributions all different none better (or worse, just different). My role perhaps is to dash off into the unexplored, stumble around for a bit, spot another crack in the wall and hammer away at that. Others who are skilled at putting the pieces together perhaps follow a vanguard of wild theorists and apply a sobering tone to the whole affair. such as yourself, Tom, Pat, John etc. others do other things some a number of different ones. But as far as myself is concerned I try to 'immerse' myself in the situation and see what it looks like from inside and then compare that view with the one I get from todays descriptions.

John, Have you done this work with z-312? If you have, did it include the whole limo passenger area in the frame? If I may ask, did it reveal anything other than what is shown in z-313? Does this process work on a basis similar to that of the man who found metal in images through his software which also made use of the grey scale? Your work on this is amazing, in my opinion, and it reminds me that one of the two Priests in the room with Jackie and JFK's body had made an observation of a bullet wound in JFK's left temple area. I can only assume that a shot from the post office building would have had to enter in that general area? The blown out area in the back of the head would align itself well with a shot entering the skull at the orientation you presented. Mr. Holmes carried more weight than any Postal Worker I have ever heard of. His access to LHO has always seemed like an unlikely event for a postal inspector. I now have to wonder if he had been looking through binoculars or a monocular (scope)? I am looking forward to more of your work on this. Chuck <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Confirm, refine or debunk, please. Hi Chuck. Are you possibly referring to the grading of grayscale in analysing xrays where I believe 256 or whitest indicating lead as the most opaque to xrays and other material including bone, tissues etc graded below that down to vacuum or air graded at the blackest or 0? It is an important point insofar as it indicates the necessity for such scaling as the eye by itself is incapable of discerning the fine nuances at the extremes of the spectrum. Here on this image is the entire grayscale spectrum shown at top in two pixel wide segments. Below this is the spectrum split into 33 segments. As you can see the extremes are difficult to differentiate by eye. Below this is a 3d sideon view of both scale versions (right half only). As you can see the differences are easily visually appreciated. What is most interesting here is that I discovered that the production of the 33 step scale contains an error in the value of the 12th step. This software can pinpoint to a remarkable degree of accuracy the actual value as opposed to the percieved value. In producing other versions of the trail I am suggesting for z313 I have compared it to views of 3 or 4 frames either side and find no similar trails there. As this particular series of frames I'm using have been distortion corrected one finds a vertical line in the center of the frame where the values have not been shifted. This is discernible but doesn't coincide with the trails I'm pointing out. Also there are a number of rays radiating out from the headwound area that are short and are obviously matter ejected. The longest one of these is the piece spinning off just to the left of the central trail shown. I am hoping that others will not take my word for the existence of this trail but rather endeavour to see for themselves. It's a subtle one but with the proper approach should be reproducible. I haven't previously heard of this Priests testimony. Sounds interesting. As one can see in this image, where the xray is 'wrapped' on to the 3d head, there is a possibility that the shot would have entered tangentially at the 'exit wound'. At this point it would be striking a wall of bone almost side on and soft brain tissue on the right side. the tendency here would be for the path of bullet/fragments to deflect down. Thus the ear wound and right rear hole lines up nicely. Also it makes sense of the brain pulping. I have theorised elsewhere, and have read Pats seminar that also does so, that the front throat wound may be a fragment that came from this bullet. Yup, the ocular Holmes was using.. I wonder too..

What if...the assassination had failed? What if Kennedy had emerged unscathed? Could it be that if he then was aware of butllets shot at him, endangering the lives of his wife, and others. Wouldn't he and his intimates immediately set in motion an investigation such that the conspiracy in the making with all its flaws would have crumbled? What then? There were breaks in the ranks of the armed forces, state and federal. Is the idea that the cuba operations were a cover for an arms/personnell buildup for a civil war too farfetched? thats just one idea I'm toying with. Has anyone else considered the aftermath of an unsuccessful assassination attempt with a view at the evidence uncovered and seeing how it might have been handled by Jack and Robert? Perhaps in doing so one may percieve a plan for such an eventuality and thus point at the perpetrators of the successful assassination?

Certainly, Mark. However the agent provocateur stance that the COINTELPRO operations took with regards to extremist organisations such as the wethermen and the panthers differed from the monitoring of say the KKK. The FBI and police force, let alone governors and senators were members of these right wing groups. Where are the panthers today? Kennedy said in the speech he made the evening before Medgar Evers was assassinated (just past midnight) by a KKK sniper in july '63, that the time to ask black people to wait was over. This was a marked change from previous administrations. The ball was rolling. Of course a bipartisan approach emerged. Partly, I argue, in order for anti-segregation elements to keep some degree of control. If one peruses writings on todays activists there appears to be a view that rollbacks are occurring. To jump on the desegregation bandwagon post Kennedy was a wise albeit opportunistic thing to do. It didn't stop the Rodney King affair for example. I feel that MLK and RFK and the subsequent unleashing of gun terror in the streets put the nails in the coffin (for the time being) These affairs were just as much and possibly mostly aimed at the average good american. It showed where the lines were and the consequences of crossing them. While the Kennedys died, the US citizen was terrorized. The criminals who reap the benefit of this terror of conformity I argue are those that killed JFK. ___________________________________ The Beats, Keorouac, the Bus and LSD is another interesting side to the whole picture, often neglected. Though I have my doubts that Ginsberg was involved . Here's Ginsberg on the Hippie trail in india '62, taking a photo of Cassady on a drive to CA in 63 and an early kool aid acid test pic from 65. John Simkin has an interesting thread going on one of the merry pranksters. Possibly this anti establishment behaviour was a way of protesting. The acid test poster has on the bottom a finger print and on the full poster an arrow directing the cops to note it so they will know who is behind the affair. Dylan and Ginsberg at Kerouacs grave in '75

here is a good exercise in gaining proficiency in using Image Analyzer. http://www.meesoft.com/ grab the plugins (3d in particular) and leave a thank you note Open the image in Analyzer.Select the depth map and copy paste. convert to grayscale. select the face profile and copy paste. now you have a zmap and a texture. in plugins open 3d start depth map. select the texture as texture. set scale to 1.2. select black as color. go. you can turn this around to get different views. you can wrap the xray on to it as texture if you want. in this way you can observe the xray from inside the skull as well. take snapshots as you wish. play around with scales. invert the depth map (image : invert). The image of the head from the left ( in this case approximately how it would have looked from the left corner of the post office roof) is a composite of two halves , one from inverted depth map.

This is where I want to tie in other threads I've been working on. The racial climate of the south has been largely overlooked. The Emmett Till topic goes along way towards redressing this imbalance. The 'unknown witness' topic shows how the existing testimony seems to paint a picture where Dallas was almost empty of black people. The 'Oswald communist/ socialist?' thread so far has ended up with a picture of Oswald as very much a weak link in a conspiracy SHOULD THAT CONSPIRACY IN ANY WAY DEPEND ON HIM! The overview of the ENTIRE Dealey Plaza in words and pictures redresses an other imbalance re the prior impression that the northern half of Dealey Plaza was all there was to it. The shot from the left topics highlight other areas of neglect, such as the intriguing omission of Harry D. Holmes from ANY investigation in spite of his deep and obvious involvement in shaping post assassination investigation directions. The various analysis of Kennedys head movements show that this is far from a completed area of investigation. And finally a topic that brought me in to this in the first place. The trail through the air, left by the bullet as shown in the various films. I am fully aware that for anyone to accept this may involve a radical shift from years of involvement. Not easy. Therefore why should it be hard to creditably question these suggestions?

It's just business. Traditionally 'capital' uses specific elements to carry out its 'dirty work'. Thats why there is an old term used to describe such element. 'Lumpen'. --- "lum·pen·pro·le·tar·i·at (lum'p?n-pro'li-târ'e-?t, l?m'-) n. The lowest, most degraded stratum of the proletariat. Used originally in Marxist theory to describe those members of the proletariat, especially criminals, vagrants, and the unemployed, who lacked (edit : should be 'lack') class consciousness. The underclass of a human population. [German : Lumpen, pl. of Lump, ragamuffin (from Middle High German lumpe, rag) + Proletariat, proletariat (from French prolétariat)" --- Quite apart from the derogatory aspect of this classification is what this grouping means to the ruling classes in this case classified as the 'bourgeoise'. The important concept here is "Of or relating to dispossessed, often displaced people who have been cut off from the socioeconomic class with which they would ordinarily be identified: (eg) lumpen intellectuals unable to find work in their fields." Tthis group, contrary to other definitions need not be un-intelligent. Rather they may very well contain members who are intelligent sociopaths. They tend to group together in gangs, neo-nazi groups, and such groupings as KKK. They run on emotions, or the feelings they have, for whatever reason, and use rationales that explains their outlook, for example 'christian identity', free masonry, JBS BS, white supremacy, and other produce of right wing 'think' tanks. They are manipulable by more dispassionate ruling powers. With a bit of fear here, a sweetener there, they are willingly ignorant of being herded in directions that suit these manipulators. Amongst these are the actual foot soldier. The directors, or bankers, rely on connections to them and easily remain anonymous and control leaks. The footsoldiers themselves are controlled by members of their own groupings in more direct ways. These connections would traditionally be other 'class traitors'. For example the persons without actual ownership of industry, and technically are wage slaves but with aspirations to become members of the ruling elite, act to promote the interests of the ruling class. This puts them in the position of being intermediaries. They may be so as individuals with connections to all classes such as shop keepers, ot they may be employed in the various industries formed to maintain capitalism, such as the FBI or the military..for example Walker. So. within this philosophical construct are the assassins. The planners, leaders of industry, with whom the germination of the 'idea' lie. The raw detail organisers, persons who depend on income derived from services provided to the planners, and the foot soldiers who quite frankly couldn't give a xxxx as long as it's 'fun'. There is no need, except where such needs coincide, for any specific government entity or individual to be involved except coincidentally. One reason I don't think it was for example the 'mob' is because the point, as has been shown by subsequent events, was NOT to kill Kennedy, or to frame Oswald. The point was to change direction. If such an important event was to depend on Oswald then the entire show was extremely iffy. How could one possibly know that Oswald was not going to be home sick in bed for example, or gotten involved with a conversation on the doorsteps of the TSBD in full view of photographers. NO. NO. NO!!! To leave such a thing entirely to chance is RIDICULOUS. Therefore, the fact that there were multiple rifles, sound locii, potential patsies etc is clear indication of a conspiracy that covered all bases. That Kennedy was going to be killed at 12 30 on the 22 november in Dallas was as near a certainty as concievably possible. The multiple directional options available for the investigation to go was essential to deal with the chance elements. The complicity of elements of the DPD is therefore obvious. Richard Craig is therefore a very important figure. The power structure of the ruling bodies of Dallas contain names of those involved. The elusive DCC members lists and those of other groupings in Dallas at the time must be cross referenced. Those that are in for example the DPD and the KKK need special attention. The fact that no-one has been convicted in this case is due to the involvement of members of those bodies charged to investigate.

Some coincidences that I wouldn't mind getting into perspective. ________________________________________ "Banister, Singelmann, Donnels. It is not always fair to judge a lawyer by his clients. However, in this case, Hennessey made his own statement as president of the subtly named White Educational Association. In an announcement for an August 1960 meeting, it was promised that Hennessey would "discuss possible action to be taken to keep the New Orleans Public Schools open and segregated." (NOTP; August 10, 1960; s1, p9) A few days later, the White Educational Association sponsored a meeting which featured GNOCC chairman, Emmett Lee Irwin, as a speaker. (NOTP; August 25, 1960; s1, p26) Banister's positions attracted the backing of the chairman of the Citizens' Council of Gentilly, Louis Pennington Davis, Jr. (NOTP; March 19, 1961; s 1, p 21) The Gentilly Council was a subunit of the larger Citizens' Council of Greater New Orleans (referred to as GNOCC). Davis had been involved since the inception of GNOCC in 1956 (NOTP; January 27, 1956; p 13) Leander Perez was a member of the board. Other members of the Gentilly section were Robert L. Hickerson and George L. Singelmann, usually identified as an assistant to Perez (NOTP; March 4, 1956; p 28). Perez himself spoke at an early meeting of the Gentilly Council in 1956. His topic was the "menace" of the Supreme Court. (NOTP; March 10, 1956; p 2) Davis made his position on the NAACP clear: "a small group of Russian Jews with known Communist ties is procuring the vast amounts of money being 'poured into NAACP activities.'" (NOTP; August 5, 1956; p 2) In 1961, Davis and Singelmann held forth on CORE: 'No less than 13 members of its national advisory board belong to numerous organizations that have been cited for their Communist front activities. The avowed purpose of this organization is to create incidents and excite people to violence. If their objective is successful, the South and the nation will be a seething mass of racial strife and violence.' (NOTP; June 3, 1961; S 3, p 20) During the Ole Miss crisis in 1962, Davis sent the following telegram to General Edwin Walker: "You called for ten thousand volunteers nationwide for Mississippi's fight against Federal tyranny. Will pledge ten thousand from Louisiana alone under your command." (NOTP; September 28, 1962; S 3, p 2)" ____________________________ ____________________________ "In August 1961, one John Burkman, residing at 535 baseline Road, Northvile, Michigan, and who is employed as a sales representative for the Richmond Arms Company, Blissfield, Michigan, was approached by one William Newton and a Lt. General (FNU) Osborne. William Newton, allegedly residing at Miami, Oklahoma, was suspected of being a leader of a Cuban movement but was a person who stayed in the background. The Customs file did not reflect information on Lt. General Osborne. Newton and Osborne requested that Burkman attempt to obtain 10,000 M-1 rifles for an anti-Castro revolution." ____________________________ ____________________________ In August 1961, Johnson was in Sweden. Apart from attending Dag Hammarshold's funeral he met with Swedish Americans. ____________________________ ____________________________ "Bernard Weissman was born on 1st November, 1937. After graduating from Edison Technical High School in Mount Vernon in June, 1956, he went to work for the Nuclear Development Corporation as an experimental machinist. He the moved to New Jersey where he was employed as a sales manager. In August, 1961, Weissman joined the U.S. Army and served in Germany where he met Larrie Schmidt. The two men shared an interest in right-wing politics and were both supporters of the John Birch Society. While in Germany the two men discussed the possibility of establishing a right-wing political group when they returned to the United States. Weissman was discharged in August 1963 but was unable to find work. Short of money, Weissman contacted Larrie Schmidt who at that time was living in Dallas. Schmidt told Weissman about his involvement in the attack on the liberal politician, Adlai Stevenson. According to Schmidt, this had been organized by General Edwin Walker. Schmidt added that his brother was working as General Walker's chauffeur and general aide." "In April 1961 Major General Edwin Walker, commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara relieved Walker of his command an announced an investigation into the affair. Kennedy was accused of trying to suppress the anti-Communist feelings of the military. Walker resigned from the army in protest about the way he had been treated. In September 1961 Walker organized the protests against the enrollment of James Meredith at the University of Mississippi. Attorney General Robert Kennedy responded by issuing a warrant for Walker's arrest on the charges of seditious conspiracy, insurrection, and rebellion." _________________________________ _________________________________ "May 5th: Lee reopens his correspondence with his family by writing his brother Robert. 25th: Lee notifies the Embassy that he has married, and his wife would like to accompany him to the U.S. July 8th: Lee travels to Moscow to talk to Snyder concerning his efforts to return to the U.S. 9th: After a call from Lee, Marina joins him in Moscow. 10th: Lee returns to the Embassy to see Snyder, who agrees to return his passport. 11th: Lee and Marina return to the Embassy to fill out papers for Marina. 14th: Lee and Marina return to Minsk. In a letter to Robert, Lee reports on his efforts to leave Russia. ________________________________________________ August : 20th: The Oswalds send the necessary papers to leave the country to Russian officials. ________________________________________________ October 4th: Lee writes the Embassy requesting the U.S. Government intervene in his case. Marina spends 3 weeks with her aunt in Kharkov. 12th: The Embassy replies to Lee offering little hope for a speedy exit from the country. 18th: Lee spends his 22nd birthday at the opera. November 1st: Lee writes the Embassy saying that if his residence permit were renewed, it would be over his protest. 12th: Marina returns from Kharkov. 13th: The Embassy replies telling Lee that retention of his passport would not jeopardize his request to leave. December Lee writes Texas Senator John Tower, asking for his help with the exit visas. 25th: Marina is called to the passport office and told that she an Lee will be granted exit visas. 27th: Lee tells the Embassy that they will be given visas and asks to extend his passport. 1962 January 1st: Lee and Marina spend New Year's Day with their friends, the Zigers. 2nd: Lee writes his mother that he and Marina expect to arrive in the U.S. in March. 5th: He writes to the Embassy asking for a loan from the U.S. Government. 13th: Lee writes to the International Rescue Committee asking for $800. 15th: The Embassy tells Lee it needs proof that Marina will not become a ward of the state. 23rd: Lee replies to the Embassy, saying that his affidavit should be enough but contacts Marguerite the same day requesting that she file an affidavit. 24th: The Embassy receives an affidavit from Lee for Marina, but tells Lee to obtain another one. 26th: Lee writes to the International Rescue Committee again asking for $1,000. 30th: Lee learns of his "Undesirable" discharge, which is incorrectly reported by his mother to be "Dishonorable". 30th: He writes John Connally, former Secretary of the Navy, asking for help reversing the discharge. February 1st: Lee writes his mother rejecting her suggestion regarding raising money through a newspaper appeal. 6th: The Embassy contacts Lee asking him to make a formal application for a loan. 15th: June Lee Oswald is born. 23rd: Marina comes home from the hospital. March 3rd: the Embassy receives Lee's request for a loan. 15th: Marina's visa is approved. 28th: Lee receives an affidavit of support from Marguerite's employer. April 12th: In a letter to Robert, Lee indicates they are not in a hurry to leave since good weather has arrived. May 10th: The Embassy asks Lee to come and sign the final papers for the departure to America. 18th: Lee leaves his job. 22nd: He picks up his exit visa. 24th: The Oswalds arrive in Moscow to visit the Embassy. June 1st: Lee signs a promissory note for $435.71, and the Oswalds leave for America. 13th: The Oswalds arrive in Hoboken, NJ. 14th: They leave by plane for Fort Worth." ______________________________________________ Johnson revisited Sweden in early '63. Olof Palme was one of the staunchest western supporters of Ho Chi Minh. (From memory, US Vietnam defectors were granted automatic swedish citizenship if they wanted it? My memory of growing up in Sweden was seeing Vietnamese refugees coming into the country and coming into school, also of a great sadness when Kennedy was killed.) Swedens 'aristocracy' was also traditionally tied to the upper classes in Finland. (and Norway) What I can't find is exactly hwer Walker was in August '63. Also peripherally, I'm curious about McNamaras* movements during this time. EDIT:: *from interview with Mcnamara http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/McNamara/mcnamara6.html "During the seven years I was Secretary, on three occasions we came very very close to war with the Soviet Union. They put pressure on West Berlin to take West Berlin from NATO in August of 1961, we came close to war then. They introduced nuclear weapons into Cuba and we came close to nuclear war with the Soviets then -- that was in October of 1962. They were backing Egypt to destroy Israel, eliminate it from the face of the earth, in June of 1967; the hotline was used for the first time in connection with that. The message from Kosygin, the Prime Minister of the Soviet Union, to Johnson was "If you want war you'll get it." So we faced what we considered a terrible threat to Western security from the Soviet Communists and the Chinese Communists. I think we exaggerated, but to some degree it was real. But with respect to Southeast Asia, I am certain we exaggerated the threat. Had we never intervened, I now doubt that the dominoes would have fallen; I doubt that all of Asia would have fallen under Communist control. I doubt that the security of the West would have been materially and adversely affected had we not intervened, or had we withdrawn after it became clear that we were having serious problems militarily. That was our major error."

Tim, the best liars tell the truth 95%of the time.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I haven't seen it but have read of the existance of a document described as 'the first' to suggest a conspiracy as being a product of JBS released soon after the assassination possibly by a guy who wrote a regular newsletter called something like 'the ... report'. Sorry can't be more specific at this point. It slipped by before I realised the significance. I'm mentioning in case someone knows. In meantime am continuing to hunt for it. Assuming this is the case and assuming that the 'forces' behind such produce are connected to the assassination then it seems to me to be reasonable to think that they would wish to take charge and direct the search for conspiracy. (part of the problem/part of the solution) Considering the Angleton Orchids, then this is therefore a layer of deception. Similarly, should Time be seen as a defender of an untenable position it would have more attention turned to it. Instead preempt and take charge.

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OK, Robin, having made a little animation of it and looking at what's been pointed out, I can see what you mean and while the smear from the 'jiggle' is there it does seem there is a rapid head snap to the right.. Have you got the next frame posted?

Ahh...you're lucky..I grab what sleep I can when it comes. Besides if I want to see the posts as they happen for you guys 'over there' I gotta stay awake. 'McUltra'

Robin, your honesty is not in doubt. Thank you for taking my comment in the spirit it was meant. this illustrates more of what I mean. As can be seen the blurs have smeared the lighter areas. When separated out (I hope it's clear enough) the aspect of the head indicates perhaps (to me) a slight tilt but not a turn.

Robin, I beg to differ, perhaps as devils advocate, but if I take into account the direction and amount of blur in the two following images (after the clear one) I think it's possible to say that the head of the MC officer is not turned. Similarly the blur on the 'closed fist' pic may be better analysed looking at the shadow indications on what may have been the back of the hand had it not 'fisted'. Again here as I see it it's possible the hand is merely turned slightly from previoius and possibly slightly more relaxed, say perhaps 1/3 along a move towards a more curled finger pose?

http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/jbs.html "Welch was born in 1899 and worked "in the candy manufacturing business all of his adult life," for many years as the vice president for sales and advertising of the James O. Welch Company, founded by his brother. He was on the board of directors of the ultraconservative National Association of Manufacturers for seven years starting in 1950, and chaired NAM's Educational Advisory Committee for two years. It was at NAM, during the height of the Red Menace hysteria, that Welch honed his Americanist philosophy. Welch toured the country chairing meetings on the state of American education, and producing a 32-page brochure "This We Believe About Education," that "concluded that in America parents--and not the State--have the ultimate responsibility for the education of their children." 200,000 copies of the brochure were distributed by NAM. Welch served as vice chairman of the Massachusetts Republican Party finance committee in 1948, and unsuccessfully ran for Lt. Governor in the 1950 Republican primary. Welch supported the ultraconservative Taft over the more moderate Eisenhower by running as a Massachusetts Taft delegate to the 1952 Republican convention. In 1952 Welch wrote May God Forgive Us, a study alleging "subversive influences" by government officials and their allies to shape "public opinion and governmental policies to favor the Communist advance." The book was published by the ultraconservative Henry Regnery Company, which in 1954 also published Welch's The Life of John Birch, which told the story of a fundamentalist missionary in China who became an intelligence agent for General Claire Chennault's Flying Tigers. Birch was killed by Chinese communist soldiers while he was on a mission at the end of WWII. In February of 1956 Welch started publishing a magazine, One Man's Opinion, and in January 1957 he left the candy business to devote his energies to "the anti-Communist cause." "

Frequently I suffer from sleep deprivation. There is a distinct possibility that the consequences are the occasional appearance of attempts at 'art' on my computer screen. 'Black Ops in Line'

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fascinating information, Robert. Lee described his reason for having so many post boxes as being that it was easier for him to have mail redirected as he moved than to for example notify address changes to subscriptions he had. One magazine he subscribed to was Time. After the assassination, in the post box in the Dealey Plaza Post Office that he had only had for a month or so, Harry the postal Inspector in keeping a close watch on it only found one item in it : A copy of Time with the cottect post box address, not redirected. As it was one of the last issues in that subscription it means that in this instance he DID notify directly of an address change. Wheteher this means anything, I don't know. * Also, 20 years or so ago I had a friend I've since lost touch with, who had moved to Australia from Indonesia. One thing he told me was of his surprise in reading Australian versions of Time issues he had read in Indonesia just how much he had 'missed out on'. I'm going go to the local library and check the October issue of the Austaralian or International Time copy this week and see what it says. EDIT:: * There are from memory 8 cities mentioned as ones where the illegal CIA FBI Postal Inspection Service mail opening operations were happening. One of three that I have seen named is New Orleans. Given that Lee notified Time magazine of his change of address to Dallas, and that it is extremely likey that his mail was being monitored then it seems reasonable to assume that not only was Lees location on record at Time but also that the agencies were aware of it. This is quite apart from any other (of which there are) indications that they were aware. In other words all up I think it's fair to say that they knew. Whether or not Luce knew of this Time subscription or if the info stayed put in the Time mailing list is another question. Perhaps the fact that no such record has previously been mentioned is an indicator.

Considering that Marina reportedly made the statement that she, not unlike LHO was an illigitiment offspring, then LHO could have been the only one to transmit such information to her. Perhaps a lie on the part of LHO, perhaps not! Perhaps merely one of those language/understanding problems. Perhaps the truth? Tom <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My understanding on this issue is so far. Lee had two brothers, John, a half brother, son of previous marriage to a Mr Pic. and Robert, same father, as Lee, whom Robert knew for 5 1/2 years before he died two months previous to Lee being born. Lee was put in a home with his two brothers when Lee was 3. These two brothers in this situation became his protectors. For example John would be the one to change Lee's clothes and clean him up. And John was the overall big brother and both John and Robert were the main males in Lees life. Then Lee went to live alone with his mother and her new husband. So, before becoming either 'a boy spy' or a 'soldier for the revolution, at about 15. Lee had lived first with a legendary father described to him in stories by his brother Robert, and the father that John remembered (which must have been a bit confusing to Lee at age 3),secondly with his two older brothers, thirdly with new father alltogether, in a way the 'first' real father. lastly came then the hierarchy of leadership in the organisations he joined. Added to this is the awareness of great ancestors. (this is one area where Tom's input has been particularly enlightening) Then in Dallas came to visit one of the 'Great Fathers'? The literature available to me does not give any concrete guide to how this would shape a boy. In fact if anything it's highly contradictory. Lee was without doubt intelligent. He had wide and varied experiences. I don't know how much he could be expected to have sorted things out (or even if he really had issues to 'sort out') at the time of his death. I'm trying to work out if there is any clear indicator as to his own private self that would answer whether or not he was an infiltrator of the 'Capitalist' intelligence community or an infiltrator of the 'Communists' on their behalf. One factor as alluded to by Tim is his choice of TV programs, also he liked the usual wild west fare. On the one hand his daring to take an unpopular position could be seen as an indicator he was capable of trancending the status quo and be a genuine marxist. On the other hand one could speculate that becoming a gung ho agent for the powers ,that are theorised as his control, is an expression of a burning need to be one of the good ole' boys?

Gerry, a couple of asides. I enjoy your input here for a number of reasons. One is the language. I find coming from a different part of the world I have to learn things in order to understand the finer nuances of for example testimony. I'm referring here to a dictionary of Civil War slang which defines a Johnathan as a 'downeaster' and 'a yankee'. Is it correct to read that Manolo Rebosos use of the word 'yonny' is an indication that the Cuban Exiles had a greater affinity with the southerners? Also, have you come across the word 'cattywampus' as used to describe a spatial relationship. IE 'that building is cattywampus of this one'. Does this word also carry some hierarchical connotations, ie. 'this building is in a worse (or better) position'?

I agree, this was a time when he 'broke free' from his old life and set off into his own. Exactly what he might have choosen is what I'm currently trying to figure out. I think that he only had a vicarious awareness of his father from his brother Roberts stories of a wonderful Dad is probably an important factor. Heres a brief visual timeline.

My theory is still 'in the making' ... Motive : money, power, money Capitalism is a system that depends on imbalance in the form of diverse markets. It also depends on room to grow. Where this room to grow contracts it seeks new fields and failing that takes steps to creatre them. This takes the form of wars of commercial and military nature. Whole populations and industries are wiped out, rebuilt and reorganised. War is also an impetus for technology creation. Unequal markets and instability is important. (one can say that 'Japan and Germany won WWII'. Simlarly, perhaps, in time one may be able to say 'Russia won the cold war') The socialist revolutions of the 20th century, and the division of markets after WWII, were severely contracting the capitalist world. As such, winning the cold war was a must. Along came Kennedy. His voice of reason and peace was perhaps the greatest enemy of rampant capitalism. (I think it was a failure to recognise that he had an agressive anti-communist stance, just not a militaristic one, rather a war for hearts and minds by example, education and judicious funding.) Kennedys approach was a radical shift. He had been warned by Eisenhower and he set about to create alternative structures to turn the US away from the confrontations that may have resulted in the destruction of the entire world. Nuclear weapons was the new factor. Contrary to Reagan's and others statements, there are no friendly atomic bombs. However to people whom I would class as sociopaths, Kennedy was an obstruction in the quest for 'divide and rule'. Kennedy was into 'unite and live'. Hence he was prepared to seriously tackle issues such as civil rights. In this environment in southern of USA, these sociopaths found ready elements of fanatics to do their bidding. Means : hate, bigotry, strife These right wing elements in the south, the racist bigots, could easily be manipulated as their interests and those of the 'Bankers' coincided. Someone like Walker would have been well placed as the bridge to the actual assassins. Separate but allied in common purpose were agency and gocvernment elements prepared to participate in a coverup. Opportunity : a presidential visit to The heart of Texas, Dallas. The heart of Dallas, Dealey Plaza. Here conflict was right up front, thus the first layer of concealment already in place. Fertile ground for conspiracy to take any of a number of directions, just not in the right one. Capital. The population of Dallas in tight control of its Citizens Council and law enforcement. People, black and white, knew what it meant to step out of line. An area whos interests coincided with those of the 'Bankers' of the assassination. In a way here Oswald is unimportant. If it hadn't been him it would have been someone else. Similarly, Ruby was peripheral to this closed society, his non-local status combined with his Jewishness put him on the outer. He despearately wanted in. He was used and discarded. Others that in this way were manipulated were elements of agencies, (CIA, FBI and DPD) and anti Castro activists. I don't subscrire to the Mob scenario except insofar as individuals stood to gain finacially (itsa just business), perhaps elements of rightwing union structures, but then only where membership overlapped. The actual assassins were drawn from connections within the Dallas ruling bodies. These were likely KKK, fanatical white supremacists who had a warped view of black people, communists, catholics and Jews. they also had a secret society where members were very aware of the consequences of breaking ranks.

Thank you Tim, for steering the topic back on track. Gregs response to John's post has made me look into even earlier formative years. In the period of Lees puberty, he started looking at joining organisations. he looked at an astronomy club. And he looked at CAP. The Civilian Air Patrol. CAP had a significant history as the civilian arm of the Air Force.. Not only had it during WWII been responsible for the sinking of subs, it had also been involved in Texas in the surveilance field, namely on the lookout for spy's and saboteurs. This was around the time when Lee was around 4. After the war, CAP was reorganised with a charter giving it a role perhaps not unlike a fire service, something benevolent and useful. This seems to have an appeal to a boy set on adventure. I find the idea of Lee 'boy-wonder spy' a bit farfetched. The idea of a boy with a social consciousness at this point makes more sense. However. This was also the time of the great anti communist drives. Was Lee someone who wanted to 'do his bit for queen and country' and thus set his mind on becoming a master spy op. Or was he reacting against the system, and decided as a 'marxist' to infiltrate the 'system to do his bit for the revolution? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>