Thomas Graves

As a side note, On page 133 of my digital copy of Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, Peter Dale Scott wrote: "I myself had suggested that the [HSCA] Committee interview Revill, to learn more about the 'Army Intelligence man' whom 'Lieutanant Revill knew' and drove back to his office right after the President's murder (5 WH 57). I speculated that the Army Intelligence agent might have been James Powell, an Army Intelligence agent present on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository (WCD 329. 57-58) when Revill organized the search there that produced the famous Mannlicher Carcano (4 AH 604). Whoever the man was, Revill omitted his name when testifying under oath to the Warren Commission as to the occupants of his car (5 WH 34)" I think I have found two problems with what what PDS wrote here. Firstly, regarding (WCD 329.57-58), here's a link to it. It's page 58 of "Commission Document 329 - FBI Gemberling Report of 22 Jan 1964 re: Oswald/Russia/Cuba." Dr. Scott seems to think that it indicates that Powell was on the sixth floor. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10730&relPageId=61 . A close reading of this document suggests that the photograph under discussion ("Specimen K53") was not taken from up close on the sixth floor, but from farther away, outside the building. I base this on an analysis of the words used in the document, and the overall context of its subject matter, specifically the time element involved. In a nutshell, it seems to me that neither the "corner sixth floor window" (much less the boxes stacked near it) was the central "subject" of the photograph when it was taken. I think this is evidenced by the fact that the window was only said to be "shown" in the photograph. Regarding the timing aspect, It doesn't make sense that a photographer could have (or even would have) photographed the "sniper's lair" window from inside the building so soon after the assassination. Of course the boxes stacked on the floor around the window, the spent "hulls" on the floor, and the Dr. Pepper bottle were all photographed eventually. But never mind. The apparent reason this photograph (Specimen K53) was analyzed by the FBI in the first place was to determine whether or not anyone was visible in that window and whether or not the boxes near it had been moved immediately after the assassination, before the hulls and Dr, Pepper bottle had been "discovered." Since no photographs of "the window" (or its boxes) were taken from inside the building immediately after the assassination, the FBI had to analyze the next best thing-- photographs taken from outside the building which happened to show that particular window. (Obviously, the photos by Dillard and James W. Powell come to mind.) James W. Powell told the ARRB that he went up to the second floor twice to use the telephone, but never to my knowledge did he or anyone else say that he was on the sixth floor. If this easy-to-misinterpret FBI report is the only "evidence" that we researchers and CTers can point to in trying to prove that Powell was up there messing around on the sixth floor, then I believe we need to re-think the whole Powell-on-the-sixth-floor issue. Am I missing something here? Is there any so-called "corroborating evidence" or testimony that Powell was up on the sixth floor? Would somebody please set me straight on this if they can? The second problem I think I've detected is that Dr. Scott seems to imply that DPD Lt. Jack Revill drove Army Intelligence agent James W. Powell back to Revill's office after the assassination. The above-quoted phrases "Army Intelligence man" and "[whom] Lieutenant Revill knew" come from DPD Detective V. J. Brian's Warren Commission testimony, in which Brian states that he himself was a passenger in Revill's car on that particular journey, and that "an Army Intelligence man" whom "Lieutenant Revill knew" was also a passenger, but that the Army Intelligence man got out "up around Field Street." http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brian.htm It just so happens that the Rio Grande Building, where Powell's Army Intelligence office was situated, was at the corner of Elm and N. Field Street. From V. J. Brian's Warren Commission testimony: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brian.htm [...] What did Revill and you do? Mr. BRIAN. Went back down to our office. Representative FORD. Gannaway's--is that Gannaway's office? Mr. BRIAN. Gannaway's; yes, sir. Representative FORD. As you drove---- Mr. DULLES. What floor is that on? Mr. BRIAN. Captain Gannaway's is on the second floor. Representative FORD. As you drove from the Texas School Depository Building after making a check of the facilities who was in the car? Mr. BRIAN. Our car? 56 Representative FORD. Yes. Mr. BRIAN. Let me see, Lieutenant Revill, myself, [Detective] Westphal, [Detective] Tarver, and we gave a man a lift, and I don't remember whether he was a CID, I don't know the man, I don't remember whether he was a CIC agent or a CID or OSI, he was some type of, as I recall, Army intelligence man. Mr. DULLES. Army, Air Force, or something? Mr. BRIAN. He was connected with the service and we let him out a couple of blocks, if I recall, up about Field Street, somewhere along in there. Lieutenant Revill knew him, who he was, and he rode up there with us. Representative FORD. Who drove the car? Mr. BRIAN. Lieutenant Revill. It was his car. [...] I admire and respect (and I am truly influenced by) Dr. Peter Dale Scott, but I must be audacious here and point out these two apparent mistakes here about James W. Powell. --Tommy PS A narrow reading of Lt. Revill's testimony might explain why he didn't divulge the fact that Powell was one of the "occupants" in his car. Revill wasn't asked who his passengers were. He was asked who went with him to his office. Since Powell didn't go all the way to Revill's office, Revill gave a strictly true answer to that question.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy? Wasn't he a finalist on "Dancing With The Stars" a few years ago ? --Tommy La Jolla, California

Bill, You know how much I hate to disagree with you, but I'm afraid that I must in this instance. So count me in the minority. Basically, I don't believe anyone who constantly says "To be perfectly honest with you, ..." and "You know, it's funny, but..." , ... and can't remember the answers to so many questions that are posed to him regarding what he did and why he did it on 11/22/63, especially a military intelligence agent who claimed that he took off work that day because he wanted to see the President (from far away) and take some (long distance) photos of him (without a telephoto lens). Sincerely, --Tommy PS I wish someone had asked Powell what he wore to Dealey Plaza that day because I'm wondering if he was the guy Roger Craig said was on the TSBD steps, wearing a gray business suit, who told Craig he was a Secret Service agent, and to whom Craig gave a verbal report. Here's an excerpt from Roger Craig's book When They Kill a President: "As we [Craig and Buddy Walthers] were scanning the curb I heard a shrill whistle coming from the north side of Elm Street. I turned and saw a white male in his twenties running down the grassy knoll from the direction of the Texas School Book Depository Building. A light green Rambler station wagon was coming slowly west on Elm Street. The driver of the station wagon was a husky looking Latin, with dark wavy hair, wearing a tan wind breaker type jacket. He was looking up at the man running toward him. He pulled over to the north curb and picked up the man coming down the hill. I tried to cross Elm Street to stop them and find out who they were. The traffic was too heavy and I was unable to reach them. They drove away going west on Elm Street. In addition to noting that these two men were in an obvious hurry, I realized they were the only ones not running TO the scene. Everyone else was running to see whatever might be seen. The suspect, as I will refer to him, who ran down the grassy knoll was wearing faded blue trousers and a long sleeved work shirt made of some type of grainy material. This will become very important to me later on and very embarrassing to the authorities (F.B.I., Dallas Police and Warren Commission). I thought the incident concerning the two men and the Rambler Station Wagon important enough to bring it to the attention of the authorities at the command post at Elm and Houston. I ran to the front of the Texas School Book Depository where I asked for anyone involved in the investigation. There was a man standing on the steps of the Book Depository Building and he turned to me and said, “I'm with the Secret Service.” This man was about 40 years old, sandy-haired with a distinct cleft in his chin. He was well-dressed in a gray business suit. I was naive enough at the time to believe that the only people there were actually officers—after all, this was the command post. I gave him the information. He showed little interest in the persons leaving. However, he seemed extremely interested in the description of the Rambler. This was the only part of my statement which he wrote down in his little pad he was holding. Point: Mrs. Ruth Paine, the woman Marina Oswald lived with in Irving, Texas, owned a Rambler [sic] station wagon, at that time, of this same color [sic]." [emphasis added by T. Graves]

Here's a thought for you, David. Maybe Studebaker / Day brought the rifle over here so he could look at it in the better light. Just a thought. --Tommy

You've got "Joan Mellon" in your title, John. --Tommy

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Larry, My question was whether or not Gordon Novel was the only person to claim that Interarmco markings were on the boxes stolen from the Houma "bunker." --Tommy

[...] I take what both Novel says and La Fontaine's say with a grain of salt. I also believe the internal CIA memos that Novel was not CIA, and neither was the Houma bunker material. But I certainly didn't make up the fact that it has been reported in more than one place that the boxes taken from Houma bunker were stamped "INTERARMCO" and "SCHLUMBERGER," both of which would make sense, and leads worth pursing. [...] BK Bill, You showed us in an earlier post (#44) that Gordon Novel told the police in Louisiana that the boxes from the Houma "bunker" were marked "INTERARMCO." More recently you've said, "... it has been reported in more than one place that the boxes taken from the Houma bunker were stamped "INTERARMCO" and "Schlumberger..." Question: Who else besides Novel said that the boxes had INTERARMCO markings on them? (Or did you mean that more than one place reported that Novel said that?) Thank you, --Tommy PS Do you agree with Tom Purvis that the "arms" that were stolen from the Houma shed consisted solely of explosives (and detonators and fuses, etc) used by the oil drilling industry in seismic testing, or do you think it included stuff like guns and ammo ? (In post #41 you wrote, "Some of the boxes of arms, ammo and explosives removed from the Houma bunker bore the stamps INTERARMCO and SCHLUMBERGER.")

Here's what I have compiled about Dinkin: Document # 104-10015-10231 is a two page cable. This is a wild one. This originates from "John Scelso" C/WH/3. It is dated November 29, 1963. It went to the White House, State Dept. and the FBI. A report alleging that there was advance knowledge on the assassination of President Kennedy. On November 4 1963 a U.S. Army PFC. Eugene B. Dinkin, went AWOL from his unit HQ Co. U.S. Army general depot, Metz, France. He was scheduled for a psychiatric examination that same day. He apparently entered Switzerland using a false Army identification card with forged travel orders. On November 6 and 7, 1963 he appeared in the press room of the United Nations office in Geneva and told reporters he was being persecuted. He voluntarily returned to his unit on November 11, 1963. On November 26, 1963 a Geneva journalist named Alex Des Fontaines who was a stringer for TIME-LIFE and was a correspondent for Radio Canada was reported to be filing a story about Dinkin's story. Dinkin said that "they" were plotting against Kennedy and that "something" would happen in Texas. The last paragraph of the cable is interesting, "All aspects of this story were known, as reported above, by U. S. Military authorities and have been reported by Military attache cable through Military channels." Lisa Pease in alt.conspiracy.jfk 1/8/97 All 2 messages in topic - view as tree Lisa Pease Jan 8 1997, 12:00 am show options Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk From: lpe...@netcom.com (Lisa Pease) - Find messages by this author Date: 1997/01/08 Subject: Pre-assassination Evidence Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse I went through the FBI's reels released in 1977 and found some interesting stuff on Dinkin. It would not surprise me if he'd "mad as a hatter" NOW, because he claimed to have been mentally tortured by the Army. Those of you who order our Nagell file (available by March from CTKA) will see that that's exactly what was done to Nagell, in spades. Anyway - this is from a 9 page FBI doc on the guy, dated 4/9/64. It's in report form and looks like this was what they gave the Warren Commission. Quote on: EUGENE B. DINKIN In December, 1963, it was reported that Beth Cox, who was residing in France with an American schoolmate, had a boyfriend named Howard C. Cowen stationed in Metz, France, with the United States Army. Betch Cox was informed one of Howard C. Cowen's acquaintances "translated or decoded the G.I. paper's headlines to read 'Kennedy will be assassinated Thanksgiving Day,' and later changed it to read the very day he died.' On March 4, 1964, Lieutenant Colonel W. L. Adams, Jr., Assistand Chief of Staff, G-2, furnished the following...: Captain Howard C. Cowen, assigned to the United States Army Depot at Metz, France, advised on February 18, 1964, that during the evening of November 22, 1963, he conversed with an acquaintance named Dennis De Witt. During the conversation, De Witt said that a friend of his, Eugene Dinkin, had predicted President Kennedy's assassination for November 22, 1963. According to De Witt, Dinkin had first predicted that the assassination would take place on November 28, 1963, but later reportedly changed the date to November 22, 1963. According to Colonel Adams, Captain Cowen reported the above conversation to officials of the 766th Army Intelligence Corps Detachment at Metz. A short time later, Captain Cowen also related his conversation to a girl friend named Beth Cox. ... Colonel Adams stated that Eugene B. Dinkin was the subject of a closed investigation by the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, G-2, United States Army Communications Zone, Europe. [Lisa's note: I've also read allegations that he was NSA, detailed to Army in Europe.] He advised further that according to local Army records at Metz, France, on February 18, 1964, PFC Eugene B. Dinkin, RA 16710292, was reassigned to Walter Reed Hospital, Washington D.C., as a patient on December 3, 1963 and was ordered to proceed to that destination on or about December 4, 1963. [skipping typical diagnosis that the guy was schizophrenic, pyschotic, history of depression, delusions of persecution - the typical stuff when someone badly wants to discredit everything you say.] On April 1, 1964, Mr. Eugen B. Dinkin, ... advised Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that he had been recently discharged from the United States Army after having been in detention for four months while undergoing psychiatric tests. Dinkin advised that while stationed in Europe with the United States Army in 1963, he had begun a review of several newspapers including the "Stars and Stripes" as an exercise in "pyschological sets". He explained that he had taken courses in psychology at college and was extremely interested in this subject matter. He advised that "psychological sets" was a term referring to a series of events, articles, et cetera which, when coupled together, set up or induce a certain frame of mind on the part of a person being exposed to this series. He stated that this method of implanting an idea was much in use by the "Madison Avenue" advertising people who attempted to influence one who was exposed to these "psychological sets" to "buy" the product being advertised, whether this product was physical or an idea. [subliminal seduction is another term for it. Such was in use here in early TV, then banned. But who checks, right?] Dinkin stated that while so reviewing the newspapers for "psychological sets", he discovered that "Stars and Stripes", as well as certain unidentified Hearst newspapers, were carrying a series of "psychological sets" which he believed were deliberately maneuvered to set up a subconscious belief on the part of one reading these papers to the effect that President John F. Kennedy was "soft on communism" or "perhaps a communist sympathizer". [Contrast that with today's line that he was a hardline Cold Warrior, ala Chris Matthews et al.] Further study of these newspapers and the "psychological sets" contained therein made it evident to Mr. Dinkin that a conspiracy was in the making by the "military" of the United Stated, perhaps combined with an "ultra-right economic group", to make the people of the United States believe that President Kennedy was, in fact, a communist sympathizer and further, that this same group planned to assassinate the President and thus was preparing these "pyschological sets" to pave the way for this assassination to the point where the average citizen might well feel that "President Kennedy was sympathetic to communism and should have been killed." In addition, Dinkin believed the "pyschological sets" were adjusted to present a subliminal predisposition to the effect that a "communist" would assassinate President Kennedy. Dinkin advised that he discussed his theories with certain individuals stationed with him in the Army, but had declined to furnish this information to persons of authority in the United States Army since he believed that the plot against President Kennedy was being set in motion by high ranking members of the military. He said that in October, 1963, his research into the "pyschological sets" appearing in "Stars and Stripes" had led him to the conclusion that the assassination of President Kennedy would occur on or about November 28, 1963. He stated that his research had not, in fact, reflected a certain date, but that he believed the assassination would take place on or about a religious or semi-religious occasion which he felt would be picked by the group behind this plot in order that the murder itself would become even more reprehensible to the average citizen because of the religious connotations. Since he believed that the plot consisted in part of throwing blame for the assassination onto "radical left-wing" or "communist" suspects, he stated that the religious tie-in would lead the average citizen to accept more readily the theory that a "communist" committed the crime since "they were an aetheist group anyway." Dinkin advised that he had been in trouble with the officers of his military group, the 599th Ordnance Group stationed in Germany, due to his refusal to purchase United States savings bonds. He stated that he was against the enforced purchase of these bonds because of his political convictions which made him believe that the United States should not spend 52 per cent of its income for materials of war, part of which would be financed by any enforced purchases made by him. He stated that he had been outspoken in his views concerning these bond purchases, and that he and others who felt that the compulsory purchase of bonds was an infringement on their civil rights, had been denied "passes" as a result of their stand. [He sounds totally sane to me!!] As a result of his opposition to the bond purchases, according to Dinkin, he was removed from his position in the code section and transferred to an Army Depot at Metz, France. On October 25, 1963, Dinkin went to the United States Embassy at Luxembourg where, he stated, he attempted for several hours to see a Mr. Cunningham, the Charge d'Affaires at the Embassy. He stated that he sent word to Mr. Cunningham by phone. He said that Cunningham refused to see him in person or to review the newspapers and research papers which Dinkin said were evidence proving his theory of the impending assassination. Dinkin advised that he spent approximately two hours with the United States Marine Corps guard at the Luxembourg Embassy and had generally set forth his theories to this individual, whose name he did not know. Following this incident, Dinkin was notified by his superiors that he was to undergo psychiatric evaluation on November 5, 1963. Due to this pending development, Dinkin said he went absent without leave to Geneva, Switzerland where he attempted to present his theory to the editor of the "Geneva Diplomat", a newspaper published in Geneva, Switzerland. In addition to this editor, Dinkin spoke to a Mr. Dewhirst, a "Newsweek" reporter based at Geneva. Dewhirst would not listen to Dinkin's theories. While in Switzerland, Dinking attempted to contact officials of "Time-Life" publication and succeeded in speaking to the secretary, name unknown, of this organization in Zurich. According to Dinkin, all of his efforts in Luxembourg and Switzerland were made to present to appropriate officials his warning of the impending assassintion of President Kennedy. He stated that he did not attempt to see these people in connection with his personal dissatisfaction with the program of the United States Army as regards to bond purchases. When he was unable to accomplish his purpose in Switzerland, Dinkin advised that he then returned to Germany where he gave himself up to the custody of the military authorities. Dinkin advised that he first became aware of this "plot" to assassinated President Kennedy in September, 1963. At first, he did not have enough facts, as taken from the newspapers, to support his theory, but as of October 16, 1963, he felt that his research into the "psychological sets" had substantiated his theory. As of October 16, 1963, he wrote a registered letter to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy [let's get the review board to look for THAT] in which letter he set forth his theory that President Kennedy would be assassinated, adding that he believed that this assassination would occur on or about November 28, 1963. He stated that he signed this letter with his own name and requested that he be interviewed by a representative of the Justice Department. He said that on the envelope, he placed the return address name of PFC Deniis De Witt, an Army friend. He said he did this to preclude anyone from intercepting this letter since he felt that Army authorities might well be censoring his mail [again, sounds very logical, very sane.] He stated that he never received any answer to this letter, nor was he ever contacted by any representative of the Justice Deparetment prior to this interview with Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Dinkin advised that the following individuals would have knowledge of his theory and predictions, having been informed of these predictions by Dinkin prior to November 22, 1963: PFC Dennis De Witt United States ARmy ... PFC Larry Pullen United States Army Headquarters Company ... Seargeant Walter Reynolds Headquarters Company, WSAGD ... Dr. Afar (phonetic), a civilian psychology teacher employed by the United States Army at Metz, France; R. THomas ...Switzerland. Thomas is an Indian student attending the University at Fribourg with whom Dinkins discussed his theories immediately prior to his return from Switzerland to France. Dinkin advised that on his return to the custody of the United States Army in November 1963, he was held in detention. While in detention, he stated he was contacted by a white male who identified himself verbally as a representative of the Defense Department. This individual asked Dinkin for the location of the newspapers which Dinkin had compiled as proof of the theory of the assassination of President Kennedy. This individual stated that he desired to obtain these proofs and would furnish Dinkin a receipt for the papers. Dinkin advised that he instructed this individual as to where the papers were located at the base, at which point this man left. Dinkin advised that on his release from detention, he discovered that all of his papers and notes were missing and presumed that the individual mentioned above had taken them. He never received any receipt for his papers. Mr. Dinkin advised that he had undergone numerous psychiatric tests at Walter Reed Army Hospital in Washington, D.C. He stated that he was aware that the Army psychiatrist had declared him to be "psychotic" and a "paranotic". He said that several of the tests given him were familiar to him from his studies in psychology at the University of Chicago. Because of his familiarity with these tests, and his background knowledge as to what the test answers should be, he believed it impossible that the results of these tests could have shown him to be "psychotic" and "paranotic". He stated that if he had desired, he could have "faked" the answer to prove he was sane even if he were, in fact, mentally disturbed. Mr. Dinkin stated he believed that the psychiatric evaluation given him by the Army psychiatrist was, in fact, an attempt on their part to cover up the military plot which he had attempted to expose. Dinkin advised that during his detention at Walter Reed Army Hospital, arrangements had been made through his family for him to be given a psychiatric test by a private psychiatrist chosen by his family. He stated when these arrangements were finally made, he had declined the services of this private physician. Dinkin explained that he had reached a point where his only desire was to be released from custody and discharged from the Army. He sated that in order to do this, he had felt it necessary to "go along" with the examining Army psychiatrist and pretend that he had, in fact, been suffering from delusions but was now cured. He was afraid that should an outside psychiatrist examine him and be told by Dinkin the facts as set forth herein, that this psychiatrist would probably believe Dinkin to be mentally disturbed, and this would result in further detention for Dinkin. Mr. Dinkin stated that he was well aware that his theory and the facts surrounding his attempts to bring this theory to the proper authorities was extremely "wild" and could be construed by a person untrained in psychology to be "crazy". Despite this, Mr. Dinkin advised he was still of the belief that there had been, in fact, a plot perpetrated by a "military group" in the United States and aided and abetted by newspaper personnel working with this military group, which plot had to do with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. END QUOTE, END DOCUMENT. Lee Forman in the Education Forum 12/2/05 Dinkins story, which we've probably all seen before - but I had forgotten that last piece. http://pages.prodigy.net/benede/_import/pa...ede/index4.html QUOTE Russell presented the story of Private Eugene B. Dinkin, who had been trained as a army cryptographic code operator, which in effect made him a small part of the National Security Agency. In early 1962, he had been assigned to the 529th Ordnance Company in France, where he was awarded the requisite security clearances. When Dinkin became upset during his duties, he was given a psychiatric evaluation, and his security clearance was removed. In late October of 1963, Dinkin mailed a letter to Attorney General Robert Kennedy, warning him that an attempt would be made to kill President Kennedy during the latter part of November. In the letter he revealed, that blame would be cast on a Communist, while he claimed that the conspiracy involved elements of the military, especially far right elements of the same. An FBI report of April 3, 1964 acknowledged Dinkin's warning, but made no mention of attempts made to rectify the situation. Hearing via the grape vine that he was about to be locked up as a psychotic, Private Dinkin went AWOL and tried to warn media in Switzerland and Germany without success. He also made an attempt to warn the U.S. Embassy in Bonn but was advised to return to his place of military assignment. Defeated, he returned, and was immediately "hospitalized" at Landstuhl General Hospital in a closed psychiatric ward until Kennedy had been killed, whereupon he was flown to Walter Reed Hospital in Washington D.C. There he was given therapy to help him deal with his unfortunate condition of "schizo-assassination prognostication syndrome," a decease [sic] one would normally associate only with the former Soviet Union. He was made to understand, that if his condition did not improve, he would undergo electric shock treatment, whereupon his condition dramatically "improved." He was released from Walter Reed Hospital and the U.S. Army on a medical discharge. During the trial of Clay Shaw in New Orleans, Garrison found out that Dinkin's duty had been to decipher telegraphic traffic originating with the French OAS, which was extremely close to factions of the CIA at the time. One surmises, that Dinkin caught his unfortunate disease while dealing with communications between the two venerable organizations. Steve Thomas Some people say Dinkin predicted the assassination by analyzing the Army's Stars and Stripes and "certain Hearst newspapers," and some people say he did it by "intercepting a cable" or two. So, which is it? Both? The Mary Ferrell website says that Dinkin was trained by the Army to be a "cryptographic code operator." In trying to find out what that means, I googled "cryptographic code operator" and got about 480,000 results. I then googled "cryptographic code operator" and Dinkin (together) and got about 419,000 results (87%). Interesting. What the heck is a "cryptographic code operator" ? Do "cryptographic code operators" normally analyze publications for "psychological sets" (subliminal suggestions)? Do they "intercept cables"? If they do intercept cables, are they supposed to analyze them, too? (Was Dinkin doing any of this on his own time?) FWIW, "Cryptographic Code Operator" is not listed in this (unofficial) list of Vietnam War - era Army MOSes. http://ed-thelen.org/MOS-Vietnam-era.html Nor is it to be found in this list of Army MOSes from 1950: http://militaryyearbookproject.com/references/old-mos-codes/korean-war-era/army-mos-codes-korean-war-era --Tommy

Robert, Maybe "it" was a bullet hole through the windshield or a shooter somewhere. Or did Greer make "it" up because he felt like he had to say something to Mrs. Kennedy? --Tommy

Weigh in by all means, now If we can get beyond all your links here and to the subject, we'll of scored success. I shall remind you this is not a discussion started by a flutist about the air pressure in JFK's limo tires.... You're fully capable of posting your OPINION, yes, concerning whatever or whomever posts here, that it! Attempting to sound the eminent authority concerning Doug Horne's expertise, not to mention, his first person, hands on expertise-- passing judgement on his work is quite frankly, ludicrious. You should find someone else's boat to ride. This is not LANCER. Just a tad disrespectful, don't you think, David? My issue with Doug Horne's article is that it includes false information. I am doing what I can to provide accurate information so that people will be able to decide for themselves what to think. Isn't that what research is all about? Pamela, Your link to your blog on google groups is no good. --Tommy

Richard, I like your analysis of the sequence of the Allen photographs, and your conclusion that the Dr. Pepper bottle that Inspector Sawyer is holding is not the same one that is visible on the steps in the two photos taken by Allen sometime between 12:40 and 1:00. My "analysis" of the situation is based on the fact that Inspector Sawyer is casually smoking while holding the Dr. Pepper. Could it be he got thirsty for a soda pop while standing in the hot sun in that coat-and-tie uniform? He obviously wasn't concerned about being photographed while smoking in uniform, so it makes sense that he wasn't concerned about being photographed drinking a soda pop, either. That's why I figure the bottle was his. What the heck, if you're a high-level policeman and you're gonna smoke in front of cameras right after the President of the United States has been assassinated on your "turf", ya might as well drink soda pop, too! You can quench your thirst, calm your nerves, and send the media a message about how important you are! Question: Would it have been unprofessional (or unreasonable or unrealistic) for Inspector Sawyer to leave his partially drunk soda pop in the shade on the steps at some point, and retrieve it a bit later to "finish it off"? --Tommy

The bad guys took 'em back for the deposit? --Tommy

Vince, CONGRATULATIONS! --Tommy

Larry Hancock said, " [...] as we all know, nothing ever goes away on the internet. " ___________________________________________________________ Larry, Except, of course, old photos on the JFK Assassination Debate forum! LOL For example, the Highland Park High School photo of Larry Florer that James posted for me several years ago, proving that the Larry Florer arrested in Dealey Plaza wasn't really Ted Shackley in disguise http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9129 is just gone, and as far as I can tell, nowhere to be found on the Net. --Tommy

Larry, I apologize for bringing up such old news. Until I read your explanation five minutes ago, I didn't know what it was all about! Who do you think the "mystery guy" is who "ducks" behind Sturgis in the video? (Obviously not LHO.) Thank you, --Tommy PS At least now we know what "Frank Bender" (Gerry Droller) looked like!

Thanks, Mark. Here's an uncropped capture from 104:54 of the Italian film "I Due Kennedy" (The Two Kennedys). I used to think the skinny dude on the far left was Jean Souetre, but now I think the guy looks more like Sturgis' old buddy (and his former military commander in Castro's Cuba), Pedro Diaz Lanz. I also used to think the guy partially visible behind Frank Sturgis (with pistol raised near his head) might be Oswald, but now I don't think so. Doesn't look like him. Whoever it was, when you watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLpfVBiQi-Q you can see that Sturgis apparently didn't want the guy to appear on the film, because he ducks out of sight when Sturgis turns and says something to him. The fifth guy from the left with the sunglasses and receding hairline is, I believe, Bernard Barker. Marita Lorenz is pretty obvious. Standing next to her, wearing sunglasses and a dark shirt, is Isidro Borjas. Sitting down on the right is, I believe, Gerry Patrick Hemming, very cleverly hiding his all-too-easily-identifying height. Not visible in this "capture" but visible a couple of seconds later in the video is "Frank Bender" (real name Gerry Droller), standing behind Sturgis and wearing army fatigues, fatigue hat, and glasses. Thanks to Scott Kaiser for pointing out Bender / Droller in post #31, this thread. Scott said he thinks this might have been a meeting of Operation 40 people or Sturgis' International Communist Brigade. --Tommy

A question for Judyth: Do you remember the name of the person who helped Lee get his passport renewed in just 24 hours? Also, in your Facebook post to Douglas Caddy you wrote "unexpired passport." Is that what you meant to write, or did you mean to say "expired passport"? Thank you, --Tommy

Hi James, At 03:58 of this Black Op Radio video, could the man with his back to the camera and scratching his neck be David Sanchez Morales? IMHO, there's a striking resemblance in body type, hair, and complexion. Regardless, I wonder if the guy wasn't really scratching his neck but signaling something, kinda like the Japanese guy might have been doing while walking around with "arms akimbo" one week later during Oswald's leafleting at the International Trade Mart? BTW, does anyone know who took this short clip of Oswald's being arrested on August 9,1963 in New Orleans? The clip I'm talking about starts at 03:50. John "Jack" T. Martin? James Douglas? A New Orleans TV station? --Tommy edited and bumped

It's time to bump this with a brief addition. Charles Givens testimony excerpt: "Officer Dawson saw me and he called me and asked me was my name Charles Givens, and I said," yes." And he said, "We want you to go downtown and make a statement." And he puts me in the car and takes me down to the city hall and I made a statement to Will Fritz down there." We already have photos and film clips of TSBD employees Bill Shelley, Danny Arce, and Bonnie Ray Williams being escorted into a patrol car to be taken to Fritz office. Givens confirms that he also was taken to Fritz office in a Patrol car by an officer named Dawson. There are two Dawsons listed on the Dallas force at that time, one is a patrolman and one is a Detective. I have searched for reports or statements for these two, and so far, have not been able to find a report that references picking up Givens. Also, Still unaccounted for are Billy Lovelady and Jack Dougherty. Both were taken to Fritz office. It is reasonable to think they would have been transported in a police car like the other 4 TSBD employees. Still searching for photo or film that documents them being picked up by the police. Richard, I have never understood why so many witnesses were put in police cars to travel such a short distance. --Tommy

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Probably, Ken. BTW, do you think Oswald thought he was going to "hit" Castro for the CIA? --Tommy

From the Spartacus article on David Atlee Phillips: "David Atlee Phillips died of cancer on 7th July, 1988. He left behind an unpublished manuscript. The novel is about a CIA officer who lived in Mexico City. In the novel the character states: 'I was one of those officers who handled Lee Harvey Oswald... We gave him the mission of killing Fidel Castro in Cuba... I don't know why he killed Kennedy. But I do know he used precisely the plan we had devised against Castro.'" The former leader of Alpha 66, Antonio Veciana, has recently stated that the "Maurice Bishop" who was his controller for a couple of years, and with whom he once met in the presence of Oswald during the summer of 1963, was indeed CIA officer David Atlee Phillips. Veciana has stated that he arrived for the meeting with "Bishop" about fifteen minutes early and that Oswald was already there, apparently finishing up his meeting with "Bishop." Veciana has stated that the purpose for his meeting with "Bishop" in Dallas that late summer day was to further the goal of assassinating Fidel Castro, and that that was Oswald's reason for being there, too. Question: Was the CIA (or perhaps just Phillips and friends) really planning on having Oswald get to Cuba somehow and shoot Castro with a high powered rifle from a tall building, or did they just want Oswald to believe that? Tommy PS How does one go about finding and reading an "unpublished manuscript"?

Was Eladio del Valle a narcotics trafficker? --Tommy

Stephen, Do you agree with John that del Valle was associated with the Free Cuba Committee? Thanks, --Tommy