Thomas Graves

Ok, Don. You've admonished David, Lee, Greg, Joseph and myself for what you percieve as our bad behaviour and/or infractions of forum rules. Fine. I can take it on the chin. Now when does Pat Speer get admonsihed for basically calling me a xxxx? Is that not against forum rules? Or do the moderators take care of their own? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Jeffries, --Tommy

Mark, Maybe you've already answered this question above, but I just woke up and don't feel like reading it again right now. (Probabaly because of your habit of putting so many word in uppercase for EMPHASIS). Good God, man, we're not idiots. We can actually read. Well, at least most of us. The question: Why would the conspirators have both snipers firing from the same window? How would that have been to their advantage? In your scenario, do you think the two snipers firing from "Oswald's lair" blew their perfect plan by firing the second and third shots so close together as to preclude those shots from having come from a lone assassin (Oswald)? --Tommy

Analyzing the syntax and grammar used by Jack Dougherty in his affidavit, one realizes that it is very good, better than most Americans in fact. Unless he was "helped" with it, it would appear that he wasn't the low-intelligence guy he has been portrayed as being. Must have been "helped" with it, right? Actually, I don't think so. He did make one grammatical mistake when he used the singular form of the infinitive verb "to be" in the past tense (i.e. "was") when he should have used the plural form (i.e. "were"), thereby indicating that it really was Dougherty who spoke these words instead of some highly-educated "helper". Idiomatic. You'd be surprised at how many Texans with decent educations do the same thing. Police only recently have been required to have some college education. It's not indicative of anything of the sort. It's equally possible that an officer might have gotten frustrated and sent Jack off to do his own affidavit, but from what I've been able to gather over the years, LEOs took the statements and wrote them down for later typing. Check the Dallas City Archives online for the original handwritten copies. Duke, I've heard that Dougherty was "dumb like a fox". The fact that he was quite intelligent is evidenced by the fact that his English in the affidavit was pretty dang good. Nearly perfect, in fact. IMHO, his English was much better than that of the average American. For example, he used the past perfect tense perfectly and appropriately for the events-in-time he was talking about). Many Americans would have used the past simple tense (aka the simple past tense) instead, but the past perfect tense was "more correct" and, since that's what he used, well, I guess that I was impressed by it. So Duke, thank you for verifying what I said! Dougherty's English was very good. Much better than one would expect from a guy who after the assassination was characterized as being of below-average intelligence. (Whew! Try teaching that sentence in the Czech Republic for seven years! ) Accepting your proposition that Dougherty's use of "was" rather than "were" in the third sentence of the affidavit wasn't a mistake per se, but just a case of using a good old Texan "Idïomatic" grammar/syntax, I gotta mention that I've just noticed that he incorrectly used "that" instead of "who" in the third sentence from the end. So maybe he was an idiot, after all. JUST KIDDING! Hey! Maybe his using "that" in that sentence rather than "who" is just another example of correct "Texan Idiomatic". But I don't think so. But (yeah, I know, you should never start a sentence with "BUT") I'm actually glad to see that Jack made that pronoun mistake because it tends to indicate that he, rather than some clerk with a "decent education", wrote the affidavit. That was a point I was originally trying to make with Dougherty's use of "was" instead of "were" in his third sentence, Duke. Other than that teensy-weensie little "that"-versus-"who"-mistake, his English was perfect! BUT now I halfway expect you to say that Dougherty's incorrect use of pronouns was a case of good old "Texas Idiomatic", as well, and that I'd be "surprised at how many Texans with decent educations do the same thing". Do they really use the impersonal pronoun "that" when they should use the personal pronoun "who"? If, that's the case, Duke, then I gotta ask ya: why do Texans even take English in primary school and secondary school? Or do they? --Tommy P.S. Evidently Jack was a very good speller, as well. Me? I'm only fair to middling. By the way, I'm happy to report that we aren't expecting any Blue Northers here in sunny La Jolla, California in the near future. Of course, one doesn't exactly expect a Blue Norther, does one? They're unanticipated "by definition", I reckon. bump

I'm waiting to see if Bernice can pull up the photograph that was posted a while back that purported to show Dougherty. From memory it certainly looks like the same guy from the photo I saw a few years ago. [...] bump

Duncan, I've never seen this video before. Who shot it? Whover the guy in the T-shirt is, it looks to me as though he's either going to lead the other guys up the stair way or be arrested by them. Thanks, --Tommy It's from the same Tom Alyea film that shows the disputed big guy. Gee Duncan, that's great. Is it from an Alyea out take? Could you please tell us where it can be viewed in its entirety? --Tommy It's at the 1.08 mark. Thanks, Duncan!

I'm thinking that the guy (LHO-look-alike Tan Jacket Man?) Amos Euins and Howard Brennan saw with a rifle in "Oswald's" sniper's lair was firing blanks to bring attention to that window and thereby better implicate Oswald with all of the "evidence" that would be found there. The real shooter, in this scenario, was at the east window and was, possibly, Jack Dougherty... Just a thought, --Tommy

Lee, --Tommy

Analyzing the syntax and grammar used by Jack Dougherty in his affidavit, one realizes that it is very good, better than most Americans in fact. Unless he was "helped" with it, it would appear that he wasn't the low-intelligence guy he has been portrayed as being. Must have been "helped" with it, right? Actually, I don't think so. He did make one grammatical mistake when he used the singular form of the infinitive verb "to be" in the past tense (i.e. "was") when he should have used the plural form (i.e. "were"), thereby indicating that it really was Dougherty who spoke these words instead of some highly-educated "helper". Idiomatic. You'd be surprised at how many Texans with decent educations do the same thing. Police only recently have been required to have some college education. It's not indicative of anything of the sort. It's equally possible that an officer might have gotten frustrated and sent Jack off to do his own affidavit, but from what I've been able to gather over the years, LEOs took the statements and wrote them down for later typing. Check the Dallas City Archives online for the original handwritten copies. Duke, I've heard that Dougherty was "dumb like a fox". The fact that he was quite intelligent is evidenced by the fact that his English in the affidavit was pretty dang good. Nearly perfect, in fact. IMHO, his English was much better than that of the average American. For example, he used the past perfect tense perfectly and appropriately for the events-in-time he was talking about). Many Americans would have used the past simple tense (aka the simple past tense) instead, but the past perfect tense was "more correct" and, since that's what he used, well, I guess that I was impressed by it. So Duke, thank you for verifying what I said! Dougherty's English was very good. Much better than one would expect from a guy who after the assassination was characterized as of being of below-average intelligence. (Whew! Try teaching that sentence in the Czech Republic for seven years! ) Accepting your proposition that Dougherty's use of "was" rather than "were" in the third sentence of the affidavit wasn't a mistake per se, but just a case of using a good old Texan "Idïomatic" grammar/syntax, I gotta mention that I've just noticed that he incorrectly used "that" instead of "who" in the third sentence from the end. So maybe he was an idiot, after all. JUST KIDDING! Hey! Maybe the useage of "that" in that sentence was just "Texas Idiomatic", as well. But I don't think so. But (yeah, I know, you should never start a sentence with "BUT") I'm actually glad to see that Jack made that pronoun mistake because it tends to indicate that he, rather than some clerk with a "decent education", wrote the affidavit. That was a point I was originally trying to make with Dougherty's use of "was" instead of "were" in his third sentence, Duke. Other than that teensy-weensie little "that"-versus-"who"-mistake, his English was perfect! BUT now I halfway expect you to say that Dougherty's incorrect use of pronouns was a case of good old "Texas Idiomatic", as well, and that I'd be "surprised at how many Texans with decent educations do the same thing". Do they really use the impersonal pronoun "that" when they should use the personal pronoun "who"? If, that's the case, Duke, then I gotta ask ya: why do Texans even take English in primary school and secondary school? Or do they? --Tommy P.S. Evidently Jack was a very good speller, as well. Me? I'm only fair to middlin'. By the way, I'm happy to report that we aren't expecting any Blue Northers here in sunny La Jolla, California in the near future. Of course, one doesn't exactly expect a Blue Norther, does one? They're unanticipated "by definition", I reckon.

Duncan, I've never seen this video before. Who shot it? Whover the guy in the T-shirt is, it looks to me as though he's either going to lead the other guys up the stair way or be arrested by them. Thanks, --Tommy It's from the same Tom Alyea film that shows the disputed big guy. Gee Duncan, that's great. Is it from an Alyea out take? Could you please tell us where it can be viewed in its entirety? --Tommy

Oh, puh-LEEZE, Greg! Eddie Piper was 55. You're 53. Are YOU anywhere close to describing yourself that way?!? Are YOU "elderly?" I didn't think so. Again you twist my words. I said "at his age" What was his age? MId '50s? Yes, it was, so that was the age I was referring to. I made no attempt to describe him as "elderly". Please desist from this nonsense. Could I run full steam down 6 flights of stairs and across a grassy slope, probably slippery from morning rain without getting breathless? I don't think I could these days, and I'd suggest the average guy in his 50s couldn't either. But there is another possibility: he wad ducking to make himself as small a target as possible... worried that the sniper might take a potshot at him. Hard to miss him in those bright colors! Landis noticed this man by the way, because he was obviously reacting quite differently to everyone else.... I just realized I did in fact, describe Rowland's man as "elderly" in post #4 in reply to Pat. I don't recall why I used that particular term, unless trying to describe him through the eyes of a Rowland ( a teenager), or whether I just misspoke in trying to distinguish him from being "young". Bottom line: I agree calling Piper "elderly" is not entirely accurate, and certainly did not call him, or mean to imply that in the post you've replied to. In relation to Landis' observations, this is the description I've referred to before of the flight in fright of the witness... I apologize in advance for any sensitivities involved, but believe it best to quote without change... "Waldo stated that the source said 'when I saw this boy he was the scaredest n I ever saw. All you could see were the whites of his eyes.' Waldo stated that according to his source, the witness stated when he fled the Texas School Book Depository, he surrendered to the Special Service because that branch of the Police Department had picked him up on crap shooting charges in the past. According to Waldo, the source stated that the witness made the statement 'man, you don't know how fast is fast unless you saw me run', referring to his exit from the TSBD." We know no such person ran out the front door. Which leaves the side loading dock - the direction in which Piper said he ran. Now compare to the relevant part of SA Landis' observation: "He thought that the shot had come from somewhere toward the front right-hand side of the road. When he looked in that direction, he saw the only person he can recall seeing clearly who was a Negro male in light green slacks and a beige colored shirt running from Landis left to right, up the slope, across the grass, along the sidewalk, bending over while running. Landis started to point towards him, but didn't notice anything in his hands..." I ask again: does the direction in which this fellow is running get him to the location of "Special Services" (I'm not sure if it was in the same location as DPD HQ). Rowland's description: Mr. ROWLAND - He was very thin, an elderly gentleman, bald or practically bald, very thin hair if he wasn't bald. Had on a plaid shirt. I think it was red and green, very bright color, that is why I remember it. Mr. SPECTER - Can you give us an estimate as to age? Mr. ROWLAND - Fifty; possibly 55 or 60. Mr. SPECTER - Can you give us an estimate as to height? Mr. ROWLAND - 5'8", 5'10", in that neighborhood. He was very slender, very thin. Mr. SPECTER - Can you give us a more definite description as to complexion? Mr. ROWLAND - Very dark or fairly dark, not real dark compared to some Negroes, but fairly dark. Seemed like his face was either--I can't recall detail but it was either very wrinkled or marked in some way. Beige shirt and light green slacks (Landis) VS plaid shirt and bright colors, possibly red and green (Rowland). Piper denied owning or wearing a green and red shirt ON THAT DAY [Nov 22] - which sounds like CYA in case his wardrobe got searched he could claim he got the shirt AFTER that day. FBI description of Piper: Born: Jan 23, 1908. Height: 5' 10" Weight: 140 Hair: gray Eyes: brown Build: slender Facial characteristics: wears moustache; no scars or marks visible FBI photo of Piper http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/gallery/ASSASSIONATION/JFK-WITNESSES-SUSPECTS/Front-view-of-eddie-Piper-pic_9.htm The purpose of the FBI interview and photos - which also applied to West - was to determine if either may have been Rowland's man - yet there is no evidence that the photos were ever shown to Rowland. If they had been, and Rowland could not identify his man from them, that report would have been given prominence. I submit again that Rowland DID see a Black gentleman on the 6th floor aged in his 50s - that this man was Eddie Piper - that Piper ran downstairs and out the loading dock in terror about the time of the assassination and headed to Special Services due to knowing them from being busted gambling. He was held overnight with nothing released officially about him save that initial report published Nov 24 concerning Oswald being escorted up by a "Negro" porter, who then returned to the 1st floor to watch the motorcade: this, nothing more than the outline of the cover story formulated after it was ordered that Oswald would take the fall alone. Whoever formulated this cover story and worded Piper's statement made one mistake: they were unaware that the motorcade was not running on time (for the amended timetable) and that it did not pass the TSBD at 12:25 as it should have, but about 5 minutes later. The gaffe was realized sometime between then and the time of Piper's testimony - with Piper given no questions on why he was now saying 12:27 to 12:30 instead of the 12:25 he originally claimed on two separate occasions. [Emphasis added by T. Graves] Greg, Did you ever find out whether or not Piper had ever been arrested on gambling charges? --Tommy

Duncan, I've never seen this video before. Who shot it? Whover the guy in the T-shirt is, it looks to me as though he's either going to lead the other guys up the stair way or be arrested by them. Thanks, --Tommy

Duncan, I just found out from ancestry.com's military records that when Jack E. Dougherty (born in 1923 in Texas) enlisted in (Army) Air Corps in Dallas on 11/24/42, he was 74 inches tall (6'2") and weighed 165 pounds. He would have been 19 years old at the time. I've also found out that his family was living at 1827 S. Marsalis Ave in Oak Cliff when he was born. FWIW, I don't think his relatively light weight when he was nineteen years old eliminates the possibility of Dougherty's being the guy in the video clip. He'd probably put on some weight by the age of forty. Take me, for example. When I was 19 I was 6'4 3/4" and weighed 170 pounds. After many years of hard physical work (landscaping and construction "labor"), and lots of surfing and some serious beer drinking, I was up to 220 pounds by the age of 40. --Tommy Tommy Jack would have been 40 in 63 And after years of manual work would have Bulked up a bit .The guy in the picture has large shoulders and neck (unless he worked out ) I would say he was a manual worker.In my trade(stonemason)you get large around the shoulders and neck due to the constant lifting onto a bench.No doubt this guy moved a lot of something on a regular basis.Jack Dougherty is very elusive when it comes to his past I email his Alumni every year to get a picture from his old school album maybe someone else could try it from Stateside the address is:- http://sunsetalumniassociation.homestead.com/MessageCenter.html I think I traced him to an airfield in Indiana (Freeman airfield) for his army service. Ian Ian, What's interesting is that Dougherty was 6'2" tall when he was 19 years old, considerably taller than Lovelady (who I've read may have been as short as 5'4"). --Tommy

Duncan, I just found out from ancestry.com's military records that when Jack E. Dougherty (born in 1923 in Texas) enlisted in (Army) Air Corps in Dallas on 11/24/42, he was 74 inches tall (6'2") and weighed 165 pounds. He would have been 19 years old at the time. --Tommy

Tommy I thought the word was "Soda" in America would this not cover all the drinks Dr Pepper,Coke,7Up and Pepsi?. [...] Ian Ian, Someone (Duke Lane?) once said that back in 1963 in Texas the word "Coke" was used generically to mean any kind of soft drink, for example R.C. Cola, Hires Root Beer, Coca-Cola, Nehi, Nesbitt's, Dr. Pepper, etc. My (non-Texas) experience is that "Coke" is and was used just to signify the soft drink Coca-Cola. The words "pop" or "soda" are used generically. So, was LHO seen with a Coca-Cola (aka "Coke") or a Dr. Pepper? --Tommy

Not the same angle. The two photo's you show are completely different angles as you can see from the placement of the ear . Granted, the angles are different, but not that different. That's a pretty big bald spot on Lovelady. IMHO, if that were him on the right, we would be able to see at least a little of it. But we don't. My conclusion: That's not Lovelad Does anyone else besides Lee Farley and Bill Kelley have an opinion on this? --Tommy

The message they sent you was: Quote from: Duncan MacRae on Today at 02:34:46 PM Hi Gary, Do you know how tall Billy Lovelady was? Hello Duncan, My memory is that Lovelady was short or at least shorter than Oswald. I'm on vacation until Tuesday, but when back in the office I can check the Buell Frazier oral history, for I think I asked him that question. I tend to agree the guy in the Alyea film isn't Lovelady, but I'd want to review the film first (it's among the Alyea outtakes - all but about 20 seconds of his footage, contrary to popular opinion, still survives). In fact, another sequence in the outtakes shows Lovelady on the sixth floor and still wearing the shirt he wore while watching the motorcade from the doorway. Lovelady told me (and other researchers) that he was on the steps and Frazier said the same thing. I know of no evidence suggesting either man lied or would lie about that. Gary Can the possibility exist that the guy in the footage is standing on a box? Lee, I was wondering the same thing but those boxes were pretty big, and if Lovelady was standing on a box and even if he was, say, only 5'6" or so, then I think he would have looked way too tall to have been the guy in the clip. More likely would be for him, whoever it is, to be standing on a pallet or a stack of plywood for him to appear as tall as he is in the video. Regardless, maybe Lovelady's height can be found in his military records... --Tommy The guy in the clip looks very tall to me, Tommy. 6'4" or 6'5"? Compared to the other people in front of him and behind him... Lee, Yes, that's how tall he looks to me, too. I'm pretty good at judging the height of tall people since I'm 6'4" myself. (Used to be 6'4 3/4" but I shrank as I got older. ) --Tommy

The message they sent you was: Quote from: Duncan MacRae on Today at 02:34:46 PM Hi Gary, Do you know how tall Billy Lovelady was? Hello Duncan, My memory is that Lovelady was short or at least shorter than Oswald. I'm on vacation until Tuesday, but when back in the office I can check the Buell Frazier oral history, for I think I asked him that question. I tend to agree the guy in the Alyea film isn't Lovelady, but I'd want to review the film first (it's among the Alyea outtakes - all but about 20 seconds of his footage, contrary to popular opinion, still survives). In fact, another sequence in the outtakes shows Lovelady on the sixth floor and still wearing the shirt he wore while watching the motorcade from the doorway. Lovelady told me (and other researchers) that he was on the steps and Frazier said the same thing. I know of no evidence suggesting either man lied or would lie about that. Gary Can the possibility exist that the guy in the footage is standing on a box? Lee, I was wondering the same thing but those boxes were pretty big, and if Lovelady was standing on a box and even if he was, say, only 5'6" or so, then I think he would have looked way too tall to have been the guy in the clip. More likely would be for him, whoever it is, to be standing on a pallet or a stack of plywood for him to appear as tall as he is in the video. Regardless, maybe Lovelady's height can be found in his military records... --Tommy

Martin, I can't resist: The same as the title of the other thread from which I relocated my above post. Clearing Up Some Areas! From memory I'll say that one of his responsibilities was checking on or lighting the boiler(s) in the basement every morning. I do remember that he had his own key to the TSBD and that he was in the habit of arriving there much earlier than the other employees. I think he was kind of a generalized maintenence man/janitor and that he could be found all over the building on any given day. --Tommy Tommy, Ok, so Dougherty was smart enough to be trusted with a key and with lighting the boiler. I'm fairly confident, therefore, that he was smart enough to be able to tell whether or not someone had a three foot long rifle in his hands. What do you think? Martin, Personally, I don't think LHO took a rifle to work that day or any other day for that matter. If I'm right, then there was nothing like that for Dougherty to "notice". --Tommy With you on that one, Tommy. Maybe Jack took a rifle there so early that morning that no one noticed it. I've taken the liberty of copying and pasting this interesting post by David Weaver on the JFK Lancer Forum: Thanks for the info Raymond, here's all information I can post on a public forum: Jack E. (Edwin) Dougherty Born: 12 August 1923 Dallas Texas Died: 29 December 1994 Dallas Texas Source for the Military Information: As far as I remember I found it at Nara, Enlistment records 1940-1972(from my memory) ARMY SERIAL NUMBER 18177952 NAME DOUGHERTY JACK E RESIDENCE STATE 85 TEXAS RESIDENCE COUNTY 113 DALLAS PLACE OF ENLISTMENT 8536 DALLAS TEXAS DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY 24 DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH 10 DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR 42 GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATION PVT Private GRADE: CODE 8 Private BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATION AC Air Corps BRANCH: CODE 20 Air Corps FIELD USE AS DESIRED TERM OF ENLISTMENT 5 Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law LONGEVITY SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL 0 Civil Life NATIVITY 85 TEXAS YEAR OF BIRTH 23 RACE AND CITIZENSHIP 1 White, citizen EDUCATION 4 4 years of high school CIVILIAN OCCUPATION 992 STUDENT View MARITAL STATUS 6 Single, without dependents COMPONENT OF THE ARMY 6 Army of the United States - includes the following: Voluntary enlistments effective December 8, 1941 and thereafter; One year enlistments of National Guardsman whose State enlistment expires while in the Federal Service; Officers appointed in the Army of the United States under Army Regulations 605-10 CARD NUMBER BOX NUMBER 0289 FILM REEL NUMBER 3.11 SSN-Number: Only in privat Relatives Names and Address: Only in private david weaver I wonder which high school Jack went to for 4.4 years? Maybe his photo is in the yearbook. --Tommy

Martin, I can't resist: The same as the title of the other thread from which I relocated my above post. Clearing Up Some Areas! From memory I'll say that one of his responsibilities was checking on or lighting the boiler(s) in the basement every morning. I do remember that he had his own key to the TSBD and that he was in the habit of arriving there much earlier than the other employees. I think he was kind of a generalized maintenence man/janitor and that he could be found all over the building on any given day. --Tommy Tommy, Ok, so Dougherty was smart enough to be trusted with a key and with lighting the boiler. I'm fairly confident, therefore, that he was smart enough to be able to tell whether or not someone had a three foot long rifle in his hands. What do you think? Martin, Personally, I don't think LHO took a rifle to work that day or any other day for that matter. If I'm right, then there was nothing like that for Dougherty to "notice". --Tommy

Martin, I can't resist: The same as the title of the other thread from which I relocated my above post. Clearing Up Some Areas! From memory I'll say that one of his responsibilities was checking on or lighting the boiler(s) in the basement every morning. I do remember that he had his own key to the TSBD and that he was in the habit of arriving there much earlier than the other employees. I think he was kind of a generalized maintenence man/janitor and that he could be found all over the building on any given day. --Tommy

I'm waiting to see if Bernice can pull up the photograph that was posted a while back that purported to show Dougherty. From memory it certainly looks like the same guy from the photo I saw a few years ago. You want to finish your sentence now? (emphasis added by T. Graves) Lee, Fair enough. But the fact remains that Dougherty was 40 years old at the time of the assassination. --Tommy This is why I don't get involved in this photographic stuff very often. Someone will always see something different. If you think the guy in the photograph cannot be 40 years old then I can only assume you are an anthropologist. I'm near 40 years old and I look younger than the guy in the photo. If the guy in the video isn't Billy Lovelady then who do you think it is? The look-a-likes just keep growing in that building or what? Did every box marked "books" contain a LHO or Billy Lovelady double? Lee, Maybe we should take a poll as to how old he looks. I wonder who else thinks he's forty? --Tommy

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT THE STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF DALLAS BEFORE ME, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Jack E. Dougherty w/m/40, 1827 So. Marsalis WH-6-7170 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says: I am employed at the Texas School Book Depository at 411 Elm and have been since 1952. I was working on the sixth floor today. There was six of us working on the floor. The others were Bill Lovelady, William Shelby, Danny Arce, Bonnie Williams, and Charles Givens. I went back to work at 12:45 p.m. I had already gone back to work and I gone down on the fifth to get some stock when I heard a shot. It sounded like it was coming from inside the building, but I couldn't tell from where. I went down on the first floor, and asked a man named Eddie Piper if he had heard anything and he said yes, that he had heard three shots. I then went back on the sixth floor. I didn't see anyone on the floor except the people I named. There was another employee that is named Lee Oswald that I saw on the sixth floor. He works all over the building, but I saw him on the sixth floor shortly before noon. I didn't see Oswald in the building after lunch. /s/ Jack E. Dougherty SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963 /s/ Patsy Collins Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas Analyzing the syntax and grammar used by Jack Dougherty in his affidavit, one realizes that it is quite good, better than most Americans, in fact. Unless he was "helped" with it, it would appear that he wasn't the low-intelligence guy he has been portrayed as being. He must have been "helped" with it, right? Actually, I don't think so. He did make one two grammatical mistakes when he used the singular form of the verb "to be" in the past tense ("was") when he should have used the plural form ("were"), and when he said "I gone" instead of just "gone" without the "I," or perhaps "went" or "I went," thereby suggesting that it really was Dougherty who wrote these words instead of some highly-educated "helper." I have highlighted in purple the places where he used noticeably good grammar. --Tommy PS Dougherty wrote that he returned to work at 12:45. But then he contradicts himself by saying that he had already gone back to work when he heard a shot (which we know happened at 12:31)! He also says, in so many words, that he went down to the fifth floor to get some stock, and was on that floor when he heard a shot. OK. So he said he went down to the fifth floor. Question: From where? From the sixth floor? If so, did he go up there to get some stock there, too, or to do "something else"?

I'm waiting to see if Bernice can pull up the photograph that was posted a while back that purported to show Dougherty. From memory it certainly looks like the same guy from the photo I saw a few years ago. You want to finish your sentence now? (emphasis added by T. Graves) Lee, Fair enough. But the fact remains that Dougherty was 40 years old at the time of the assassination. --Tommy